| Subject: |
[novaroma] Announcement of Candidacy for Praetor |
| From: |
QFabiusMaxmi@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:16:13 EST |
|
Salvete citizens.
After thinking long and hard, I have come to a decision.
I will stand for Praetor Urbanus for a second term. I do this because my
duty to Rome is not discharged, and I would rather finish the law codes I
have been working on so hard and long, in office rather then out of it.
My belief is I came be more effective as Praetor, then Quaestor, however
if the people see fit to reject my offer of service, and elect me as Quaestor
instead, I will carry that office to best of my ability as well.
No doubt that many will object to my attempting to be elected to a second
consecutive term, to those citizens I can only say, the law allows me to do
so, I am the best qualified for the office, and likely this will never happen
again. I'm sure the Senate and the People will enact a lex to prevent this
from happening again, but until that takes place, I wish to complete my work
as your Praetor.
I thank all my friends for their endorsements. And what they say should
convince you I can continue my work as Praetor just as well as picking up
a new assignment as Quaestor. I hope you will all vote for me, and allow me
to complete my most important work.
Thank you for listening.
Valete!
Q. Fabius Maximus
Praetor
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata is called to order |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:34:49 -0500 |
|
Flavius Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.
Under the authority vested in me by the Constitution of Nova Roma, with the
auspices having been sought and found to be favorable, I hereby call the
Comitia Centuriata to order.
The timing of the vote shall be as follows (all times are official Nova Roma
time; subtract 1 hour for GMT, 6 hours for Eastern Time):
* Contio (discussion): 6 PM November 30th through 6 PM December 8th
* Voting: 6 PM December 8th through 6 PM December 16th
The following individuals stand for the offices indicated:
Censor (1 vacancy):
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Consul (2 vacancies):
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Praetor (2 vacancies):
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Quintus Fabius Maximus
Titus Labienus Fortunatus
In addition, the following leges will also be voted on by the Comitia
Centuriata:
-----
ITEM I: Lex Vedia de Tribuni
I. This lex is hereby enacted to bring the institution of the Tribunate as
it is realized in Nova Roma closer to that of Roma Antiqua, and to alter the
Constitution and other official documents accordingly.
II. Paragraph IV.A.7. of the Constitution is hereby altered to read as
follows:
] 7. Tribuni Plebis (Tribune of the Plebs). Five tribunes of the
] plebs shall be elected by the comitia plebis tributa to
] serve a term lasting one year. They must all be of the
] plebeian order, and shall have the following honors,
] powers, and obligations:
] a. To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against
] the actions of any other magistrate (with the exception
] of the dictator and the interrex), Senatus consulta,
] magisterial edicta, religious decreta, and leges passed
] by the comitia when the spirit and/or letter of this
] Constitution or legally-enacted edicta or decreta,
] Senatus Consulta, or leges are being violated thereby;
] 1. Once a pronouncement of intercessio has been made,
] the other Tribunes may, at their discretion, state
] either their support for or their disagreement with
] that intercessio.
] i. Each Tribune may issue only one such declaration
] of support or disagreement, but may change their
] declaration from one to the other, should they wish
] to do so.
] ii. The initial pronouncement of intercessio by a
] Tribune shall count as that Tribune's declaration
] of agreement.
] iii. Should the number or the Tribunes who choose to
] disagree with an intercessio equal or exceed
] the number of Tribunes who choose to support it,
] the intercessio shall be revoked.
] 2. Intercessio may not be imposed against statements of
] support for or disagreement with a use of intercessio
] that are issued pursuant to the preceding paragraph.
] 3. The issuance and function of Intercessio shall be defined
] according to procedures described by legislation passed
] by Comitia.
] b. To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against
] another Tribune using the same mechanism as described in
] paragraph IV.A.7.a.1. above;
] c. To be immune from intercessio pronounced by other
] magistrates, except as described in paragraphs IV.A.7.a.
] and IV.A.7.b. above;
] d. To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the
] citizens informed as to the subjects and results thereof,
] in such manner and subject to such restrictions as may be
] defined by law;
] e. To call the Senate to order;
] f. To call the comitia plebis tributa to order, except when the
] Patrician order shall constitute more than 10% of the total
] population, in which case the power shall be altered to
] calling the comitia populi tributa to order;
] g. To administer the law;
] h. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative
] and other tasks, as they shall see fit.
III. Upon ratification of the Amendment to the Constitution by the Senate,
any leges, magisterial edicta, or other official documents which refer to
there being only two Tribunes are hereby amended to reflect the increased
number.
-----
ITEM II: Lex Vedia de Liberus Civium
I. This lex is hereby enacted to amend the Constitution of Nova Roma in such
manner as to extend certain rights of Citizenship to children of Citizens
who are not sui juris in their domicile, and to undertake alterations to
Constitutional mechanisms and institutions appropriate to such a change.
II. Paragraph II.A. of the Constitution is hereby altered to read as
follows:
] A. Citizenship
] 1. Any person 18 years old or older may apply for Citizenship.
] 2. Citizens may apply for Citizenship on behalf of their children
] or legal wards (as defined by relevant macronational law)
] under the age of 18. Such Citizens shall be known as impuberes.
] 3. Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of ethnic heritage,
] gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation.
] 4. Citizenship may be involuntarily revoked by those means that
] shall be established by law, or may be voluntarily relinquished
] by notification of the censors or by public statement before
] three or more witnesses.
] 5. Impuberes may have their Citizenship relinquished on their
] behalf by their parent or legal guardian (as defined by relevant
] macronational law) by notification of the censors or by public
] statement before three or more witnesses.
III. Paragraph II.B. of the Constitution is hereby altered to read as
follows:
] B. The following rights of the Citizens who have reached the age of
] 18 shall be guaranteed, but this enumeration shall not be taken
] to exclude other rights that citizens may possess:
IV. Paragraph II.D.3. of the Constitution is hereby altered to read as
follows:
] 3. Each gens shall, through whatever means it may determine
] appropriate, have a paterfamilias (fem. materfamilias) who
] shall act as the leader of the gens and speak for it when
] necessary. The holder of this position must be registered
] as such with the censors. The paterfamilias may, at his or
] her discretion, expel members of their gens, or accept new
] members into it.
] a. The paterfamilias may, at his discretion, exercise the
] rights ennumerated in paragraph II.B. of this Constitution
] on behalf of impuberes in their gens, with the exception
] of the right to vote (paragraph II.B.3.) and the right to
] join the Ordo Equester (paragraph II.B.8.).
] b. No impuberes may become paterfamilias of a gens.
-----
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Endorsement of S. Apollonius Draco as Aedilis Plebis |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Craig=20Stevenson?= <gaiussentius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:33:10 +1100 (EST) |
|
Salvete omnes,
I come before you, as a candidate for the same
position, to ask for your support of Sextus Apollonius
Draco in the position of Aedilis Plebis. He is a very
gifted young man, ambitious and skilled, who has been
very active in Nova Roma. Whether like some, we have
disagreed with him in the past, there can be no doubt
that many respect him, and those who don't haven't met
him or had the chance to talk to him and have not seen
what he has done in Nova Roma. I know it might seem
strange that I, as a candidate, might be endorsing
someone who is going for the same position as I myself
am. But I put it to you this way. If I am (and I do
state IF (I'm not assuming anything, so don't worry
Tiberius Apollonius:-) )) elected as an Aedilis
Plebis, I can think of no-one else I would rather work
with, or of whom it would be more of an honor to share
a joint office with than Draco. I wish him all the
very best, and wish to state (if I may) just before I
lead this message to its inevitable conclusion, that
if you do not vote for him, I would be more than happy
to accept any stray votes comming my way!:-))
I would also like to wish good luck to those who are
running for office, and good luck to all for the
future no matter what the outcome.
Valete bene omnes,
Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura
Candidate Aedilis Plebis
http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping
- Get organised for Christmas early this year!
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Endorsements |
| From: |
Lucilla Cornelia Cinna <CorneliaLucilla@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:28:29 +0100 |
|
Salvete Quirites!
I admit that I have been very quiet for a long time due to private and
business affairs and the developing of the Provincia Germania, but I
have been following the activities in NR quite closely. This is why I am
standing before you to warmly recommend some of the candidates who are
the most appropriate according to my opinion. This is not meant to
defamate any of the candidates not mentioned here, but one has to choose
between several candidates for some offices.
For Censor, I declare my endorsement for Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Praetor Senator Propraetor Germaniae Provinciae. Diocletianus is a
venerable Cives NovaRomanus, served well and hard during this year which
was suddenly cut by the events of Sept.11th and their consequences. He
is a pleasant character, helpful and diligent, willing to support people
and an understanding superior. Apart from Diocletianus' merits, it will
suit NovaRoma perfectly to have one Censor in the USA where it was
founded, and one in Europe whereto She is spreading in search for Her roots.
For Consules, I declare my endorsement for Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Senator Consularis Pater Familias Gentis Corneliorum, and Marcus
Octavius Germanicus Senator Curator Araneae.
L. Cornelius Sulla has already served as Consul very well, completing
the Cursus Honorum, before he was elected Censor, an office he fulfilled
perfectly in many ways, releasing several Edicta to solve problems which
occured while the civitas NovaRomana has been growing like the absence
of Patres/Matres et al. Besides he has always been a hard-working man,
trying to make NR a better place not only for his Gentiles to who he is
a gentle, helpful and very supportive Pater, but for any citizen who
ever addressed him.
M. Octavius Germanicus has performed an outstanding job with the website
of NovaRoma - having worked as a webdesigner for 3 years now I guess I
can tell. ;o) The site proves him thoughtful and full of skills and a
organizational talent, gifts that are needed for the office of consul,
as well as his well balanced opinions which he shows in his comments on
this list.
For Praetores, I declare my endorsement for Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix Canadae Orientalis Provinciae Soror mea veneranda and Titus
Labienus Fortunatus Senator Tribunus Plebis.
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo has been a real sister to me right from the
moment when I became a Cornelia - but this is not the reason why I
support her: She is a woman of honor and integrity, someone who sheds a
warm light onto every Cives NovaRomanus. Her common sense and honesty
are outstanding, her judgements clear. Serving as Praetor Urbanus, she
will certainly be a boon for NovaRoma.
Titus Labienus Fortunatus has convinced me by his legislative ideas and
plans. Besides, his knowledge about ancient Rome, the basis of
reconstructing Roman law, is outstanding in many ways.
For Curator Sermonis I declare my endorsement for Priscilla Vedia Serena.
Since to be a list moderator is a very hard job as soon as one has to
deal with many different opinions on a vivid list like the NovaRoma
mainlist, I can only adore Priscilla Vedia's efforts - despite of
political differences and some decisions which I would have done another
way. She is the one who has to keep an eye on this list every day all
the time, and in my humble opinion I don't know if it can be done better.
For Curator Araneae, I declare my endorsement for Marcus Octavius
Germanicus.
Even if elected Consul, I am sure, M. Octavius will continue with his
outstanding job as being the webmaster of NovaRoma.
Please forgive me for ending here - nobody will read a five pages email!
And there are no surplus candidates for the other offices which being a
patrician, I am allowed to vote for.
Those who are not mentioned here, please do not take these endorsements
as dishonor. When voting, we have to decide. And I never decide without
carefully considering the pros and contras before.
Bene valete.
--
_
Lucilla Cornelia Cinna \\
Quaestrix C. Flavio Diocletiano Praetori /\~/\ / )
Propraetori provinciae Germaniae ( )~~~----...,, __/ /
Retaria Sodalitatis Egressus \` ´/ /
Musaea collegiorum Calliopes Cliusque \v/ _____( |
Sodalitatis Musarum / \| |~~~~´ \ \ \
Civis NovaRomana ( ( | | ) /\ )
Auctrix Bibliotheca Germaniae \_\| | _/ / _| |
http://www.geocities.com/CorneliaLucilla /__/ /__/ /__/
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Candidates for the office of Censor |
| From: |
"Diana Meridia Aurelia" <dhartig@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:53:47 -0000 |
|
Salvete Omnes,
I would today like to add a few comments to my recent support of the
candidate for Censor, Caius Flavius Diocletianus.
The office of Censor is an important one, and considerable thought
should be given to who is most suitable for it.
Two excellent candidates have come forward - one residing in the
United States, one in Europe.
While I do not wish to curtail Priscilla Vedia's professional
qualities in any way I think this is, especially for (us) European
Cives a unique opportunity to come out in support for a Censor who
actually resides on this side of the Atlantic.
I think we are all aware of the fact that a remote figure many
thousand miles away from the people he/she serves often presents a
bit of an impediment to successful communication, interaction and
effectiveness of the office concerned.This is, I feel, particularly
true for the office of Censor - a position that is very much in need
of a 'good wire' to the population.
Caius Flavius has shown himself to be a gifted administrator as
Governor for the province of Germania; he has earnt the trust of many
and is well received among the Cives of all European provinces, and
beyond. As Censor, he would represent an important position within
Nova Roma on a more local level and thereby give weight to the
provinces as an important part of the international community we
strive to be.
Priscilla Vedia Serena, I salute your honourable and commendable
intention to continue serving the republic; and I can only surmise
that it is pure devotion to Nova Roma that makes you run for more
than one office in this current election and I certainly honor your
motion as such.
However, let not enthusiasm blind your eye to fairness.
I am not, mark me, implying that there is anything untoward in your
intentions (I personally believe that all who make the effort of
running for office do so in the best interests of the res publica) -
I simply wish to state that there is really no necessity for someone
with a record as accomplished as yours in NR to make a further, and
so obvious a point in running for two offices simultaeneously.
In the end, the voters, you will say, shall decide - and indeed they
will.
All I intended was to present my thoughts on this issue and I thank
you for listening.
Valete,
Diana Meridia Aurelia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata is called to order |
| From: |
"Claudia Putea Pulchra" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:32:15 +0100 |
|
Ave omnes!
I just wanted to say that I hope both laws will meet with the wishes of the majority of the populus. I think - as already ventilated in earlier posts - that bringing the tribunate back to its historical roots will be a good thing for Nova Roma. Secondly, as long as these impuberes do not have the right to vote under 18, I would certainly not be the one to privy them of the rights of Roman citizenship.
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] withdrawal of candidature |
| From: |
"Claudia Putea Pulchra" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:41:06 +0100 |
|
Claudia Putea Pulchra omnibus salutem!
Just a short message: I seem to generate a lot of support for my candidacy for the office of quaestor. However, I got a message from M. Octavius, in which he explains that I can't stand for this office, since I'm not over 21...
Via this mail I want to thank everybody for supporting me & I hope that next year, when I will finally be over 21, this support will still be there! I remain at the disposition of the people, senate and magistracy of Nova Roma to help them where I can with the elaboration of plans for our Republic!
Valete!
Claudia Putea Pulchra
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Does NR web master know? |
| From: |
"Sybil Leek" <PrimaRituliaNocta@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:13:23 -0800 |
|
Salve,
I went into NR’s citizens’ album today and noticed something odd about it.
I do not know if the web master knows or not but the majority of the
families names are conjugated to the feminine. I thought it might be good
to let people know about this error. Unless I am missing something in the
conjugation and they are in the plural or something.
Vale Prima Ritulia Nocta
If I were a paterfamilias it would be Primus Ritulius Noctus?
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Yet more questions and thoughts on Religio, classes and legislation |
| From: |
"Javier Augusto Gil-Ruiz Gil-Esparza" <javier_gil_ruiz@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:19:24 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes cives et salve optime Pontifex Graece
--- In novaroma@--------, amg@c... wrote:
> I think that not only the Patricians. The "populares" for example,
> used the cult of Isis with the same purpose, sometimes promoting
> religious uprisings for political reasons. And the "optimates"
> themselves persecuted the cult of Isis for this reason and used the
> fact that they controlled the state cult in order to provide
> themselves with the religious flag of the defense of the
> traditional roman values. So, things are complex and we can say
> that whenever two parties opposed each other socially or
> politically, they grouped themselves around different religiones,
> which would then behave as opposed to each other. During the war
> between Caesar and Pompey the religious argument was also used
> several times.
>
>
> Of course one cannot generalize. But we can say that on the
> average, patricians from old traditional families would be very
> proud of the traditional religion, sometimes because of that
> feeling of "being more roman", while plebeians, though respecting
> and practicing the traditional cult at both the private and public
> lives, would be more prone to try some novelties. Specially when
> they felt that they could oppose the dominant class by adopting a
> different *public* religious posture from that of the state leaders.
>
>
> >Do we have hints of the plebeii feeling "left >out"?
> Well other than the discrimination we talked above, I would say
> that all those who did not agree with the system (e.g. "populares"
> against "optimates") felt "left out" and the religion was also a
> way to express their feeling.
>
> > Did they follow the Religio with less enthusiasm than the
> > patritii?
> It depends on many things and on the specific individuals, though
> one would expect the patricians to be more traditional (for many
> considered themselves more romans and wanted to prove it) and the
> plebeians sometimes a little tired from patrician pride could have
> a reaction and fill the ranks of more exotic cults such as Isis.
> But usually, at least at home, a plebeian would be a practicioner
> of the traditional cult just like a patrician, and he would also
> participate on the state cult. When his reaction was manifested, it
> would rather aim at the public order and would be translated into
> public religious demonstrations not welcomed by the dominant class.
> And besides they could use their exotic religious communities as
> point of reunion, like a "secret society".
>
Very interesting indeed! Yes, I can well imagine that most religious
dissent would be an excuse for political goals. And that in almost
all cases the interest in exotic religions would not decrease the
following of the Religio, as it was not only a religion and a belief,
but also a duty towards the ancestors and the state, something taken
for granted in a good citizen.
What has surprised me most is that religious ideas or rituals and
gatherings were not only used as a political weapon by the oligarchy
but also by the populares. I shall certainly look for reading
material on the cult of Isis. When thinking of seditious religious
gatherings one cannot help remembering the greatest religious
conflict between pagan cults in rome: The introduction of the cult of
Bacchus.
As you know, in their beginning, religious gatherings of this
particular sort were held in secret and were in some ways mysteric
and ecstatic, and involved the drinking of wine (perhaps opiated).
Stories of depravity and orgies tremendously similar to those
attributed to early cristians and medieval heretics reached the
senate, which "in horror" approved by Senatusconsultum
some "extraordinary measures" proposed by consul Postumius that
involved summary prison and judgement to those that had taken part in
the bacchanals.
The prosecution was, even for the antiquity's standards, bloody,
merciless and arbitrary. Later on, the cult of Bacchus was -for me,
surprisingly- institutionalised and assimilated without so much fuss
or difficulty. All historians I've read on this subject (one :-) )
think that the real motivation for this was the purging of
Postumius's political enemies and their supporters (all of them
populares) who were easily found guilty and killed.
But if what you say about the cult of Isis also applied to the cult
of Bacchus, then their gatherings could have indeed harbored
political conclaves, and by prosecuting it, Postumius could not only
include his enemies in their number but also rest assured that most
of the followers of Bacchus were indeed supporting his opponents!
What do you think of it? Were political conspiracies forged when
*drunk*? Was Postumius only an amoral machiavellian or also a
religious fanatical bigot?
The second question is even easier :-)). There were many liberti
that joined the ranks of the plebeians and thus of the Religio. Many
of them were foreigners. And in the provinces, many foreigners were
also introduced to the Religio. How was this achieved? It seems to
have been quite successful, as you can find larariums and altars all
over the place in archaeological sites throughout the empire. Yet
the Religio did not have "missionaries", or outright proselitism.
And the following of the Religio seems to me to have been more than
just complying with the official duties (or else people wouldn't have
worshipped the manes and lares, as it wasn't officially required).
Sorry for bothering, and Bene Vale
M. Salix Saverius
P.S.: Ah, and delenda es.. wait no, I request you to consider voting
Gnaeus Salix Astur for the post of Tribunus Plebis. You have all read
his statements, so I will only add that I'm positively sure that he
will do a great job.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Does NR web master know? |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:30:01 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salve Prima Ritulia,
This is as it should be. Gens names are feminine... Octavia, Cornelia,
Claudia, etc., regardless of the gender of the paterfamilias or
materfamilias.
At the main Album Gentium page, http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes,
the first column contains the always-feminine gens name, and the
second column contains the PF or MF name, with appropriate word endings
for that person's gender.
Vale, O.
> I went into NR’s citizens’ album today and noticed something odd about
> it. I do not know if the web master knows or not but the majority of the
> families names are conjugated to the feminine. I thought it might be good
> to let people know about this error. Unless I am missing something in the
> conjugation and they are in the plural or something.
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curator Araneum et Senator
Candidate for Consul MMDCCLV
http://www.konoko.net/~haase/
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata is called to order |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:43:09 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salve Cai Putei,
> Secondly, as long as these impuberes do not have the right to vote
> under 18, I would certainly not be the one to privy them of the rights
> of Roman citizenship.
Indeed, that is the case; the new law explicitly sets a voting age of
18. The part of the Constitution that grants the right to vote will have
its introductory paragraph changed to read as follows:
] B. The following rights of the Citizens who have reached the age of
] 18 shall be guaranteed, but this enumeration shall not be taken
] to exclude other rights that citizens may possess:
... thus making it clear that the right to vote is not possessed by
those citizens under 18.
A later section grants the paterfamilias the right to exercise certain
rights possessed by his impubere filii; there, the right to vote is
explicitly excluded.
Vale, Octavius.
--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curator Araneum et Senator
Candidate for Consul MMDCCLV
http://www.konoko.net/~haase/
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] withdrawal of candidature |
| From: |
Matthias Stappert <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:06:28 +0100 |
|
Claudia Putea Pulchra wrote:
>
> Claudia Putea Pulchra omnibus salutem!
>
Salve, Claudia Putea Pulchra.
Our laws are quite restrictive regarding age requirements for offices.
Your decision to withdraw your candidacy is very honourable. Be sure
that any magistrate or your provincial governor will have an office for
you, so you can collect experiences, which are always valuable for
magisterial positions.
I encourage you to try it again next year and I´m sure that your
engagement will be rewarded.
Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Praetor, Senator
Governor of Germania
Candidate for Censor
> Just a short message: I seem to generate a lot of support for my candidacy for the office of quaestor. However, I got a message from M. Octavius, in which he explains that I can't stand for this office, since I'm not over 21...
>
> Via this mail I want to thank everybody for supporting me & I hope that next year, when I will finally be over 21, this support will still be there! I remain at the disposition of the people, senate and magistracy of Nova Roma to help them where I can with the elaboration of plans for our Republic!
>
> Valete!
>
> Claudia Putea Pulchra
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Mere Citizen |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:08:39 -0500 (EST) |
|
Mistress Antonia Cornelia Octavia;
While I am unable to comment on the thrust of your recent message
regarding the race for Consul, I do have a comment about the subject
term.
The "Mere Citizen" is by law that person who decides what and who will
govern this micronation. It is the "Mere Citizen" who is called upon to
comment, generate ideas, form opinions, share views, stand for office,
cast telling votes, and be active in the provided organizations within
Nova Roma, as they may.
It is the "Mere Citizen" who gives life to this micronation, without
which this organization would be a hollow shell. It is the "Mere
Citizen" who has seen fit to set magistrates upon the highest pinnacle
of government and allow them to garner honors that the "Mere Citizens"
have in thier wisdom and generosity provided to such.
Mistress Antonia Octavia, the "Mere Citizen" is the vote, the voice, the
presence, and the energy sought by every office-seeker, every office
holder, every provincial govenor, every sodalitas leader, for thier
interest, voice and activity. It is the "Citizen of Nova Roma" who
makes, decides, determines, and guides the micronation of Nova Roma.
"Mere citizen" mistress?? I most humbly beg to differ, but would rather
say -- "Citizen of Nova Roma-the single most effective element of this
micronation." I believe from reading your interesting posts that you
probably understand what I have said in a general way, but I felt that I
had to say the above. My apologies for correcting you in the forum.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Mere Citizen |
| From: |
"CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:34:09 -0000 |
|
What an excellent speech! I would almost like to read what set it
off, but I'd probably either get bored or angry in this is anything
like a Presidential race in the US. At least in NR the citizen's vote
does actually go toward electing officials, and not just supposidly
as a guide for some electoral college made up of some rich
mucky-mucks that will vote in favor of whoever makes the
highest bid.
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
--- In novaroma@--------, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Mistress Antonia Cornelia Octavia;
>
> While I am unable to comment on the thrust of your recent
message
> regarding the race for Consul, I do have a comment about the
subject
> term.
>
> The "Mere Citizen" is by law that person who decides what and
who will
> govern this micronation. It is the "Mere Citizen" who is called
upon to
> comment, generate ideas, form opinions, share views, stand
for office,
> cast telling votes, and be active in the provided organizations
within
> Nova Roma, as they may.
>
> It is the "Mere Citizen" who gives life to this micronation, without
> which this organization would be a hollow shell. It is the "Mere
> Citizen" who has seen fit to set magistrates upon the highest
pinnacle
> of government and allow them to garner honors that the "Mere
Citizens"
> have in thier wisdom and generosity provided to such.
>
> Mistress Antonia Octavia, the "Mere Citizen" is the vote, the
voice, the
> presence, and the energy sought by every office-seeker, every
office
> holder, every provincial govenor, every sodalitas leader, for
thier
> interest, voice and activity. It is the "Citizen of Nova Roma" who
> makes, decides, determines, and guides the micronation of
Nova Roma.
> "Mere citizen" mistress?? I most humbly beg to differ, but
would rather
> say -- "Citizen of Nova Roma-the single most effective element
of this
> micronation." I believe from reading your interesting posts that
you
> probably understand what I have said in a general way, but I
felt that I
> had to say the above. My apologies for correcting you in the
forum.
>
> Respectfully;
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
>
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Mere Citizen |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:47:18 -0500 |
|
Salve,
Well said Marcus Minucius! The beauty of this nation is the citizens indeed.
I thank you for posting this up as a reminder to us all during these
elections that it's the citizens of this nation that make us what we are,
Nova Roma. Every citizen has something to offer to the res publica in their
own unique way, let us not forget this.
Vale,
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
( I am running for Aediles Curules. Please visit my campaign website at
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm )
Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
>Marcus Minucius Audens at jmath669642reng@-------- wrote:
>
> The "Mere Citizen" is by law that person who decides what and who will
> govern this micronation. It is the "Mere Citizen" who is called upon to
> comment, generate ideas, form opinions, share views, stand for office,
> cast telling votes, and be active in the provided organizations within
> Nova Roma, as they may.
>
> It is the "Mere Citizen" who gives life to this micronation, without
> which this organization would be a hollow shell. It is the "Mere
> Citizen" who has seen fit to set magistrates upon the highest pinnacle
> of government and allow them to garner honors that the "Mere Citizens"
> have in thier wisdom and generosity provided to such.
>
> Mistress Antonia Octavia, the "Mere Citizen" is the vote, the voice, the
> presence, and the energy sought by every office-seeker, every office
> holder, every provincial govenor, every sodalitas leader, for thier
> interest, voice and activity. It is the "Citizen of Nova Roma" who
> makes, decides, determines, and guides the micronation of Nova Roma.
> "Mere citizen" mistress?? I most humbly beg to differ, but would rather
> say -- "Citizen of Nova Roma-the single most effective element of this
> micronation." I believe from reading your interesting posts that you
> probably understand what I have said in a general way, but I felt that I
> had to say the above. My apologies for correcting you in the forum.
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: R: Franciscus Apulus Caesar for Curator Araneum |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:49:33 -0000 |
|
Francisce Apule Caesar Tito Octavio Pio S.P.D.
> I just though I'd ask, are you planning on providing the res publica
> with a new host for the Nova Roman website? Or are you "giving away"
> space on Marcus Octavius Germanicus' server in this proposal?
In my opinion the website can remain on the Marcus Octavianus
Germanicus, I want change the design and work with the actual Curator
Araneum for the server.
> Also, I'm not sure I think "cool" is the right look for a
micronation
> dedicated to the restoration of the ideals of Roma Antiqua...but
that's
> just me. :)
Why not? Why a cultural, historical and restoration's micronation
can't have a "cool" website? I though NovaRoma is a microistitution
and it could have "microistitutional" site... Why we must surf on a
poor site without a pretty design? The design can be "cool" and roman
too ... in my opinion!
> An idea for you; Apply for a position as scriba to next year's
Curator
> Araneum, should you not win the election. That way, you'd probably
be in
> a position to offer your views on what should be done as well as
your
> expertise on how to do it, as well as gain some experience for the
next
> elections.
If I'll loss I'll follow your words. But how I can change the
www.novaroma.org if the magistrate's ideas about it are "closed" to
nwe design adn "not cool"?
I hope to work with Marcus Octavianus Germanicus because he is a very
good administrator and DB expert.
His DB skills with my design idea make a perfect work.
Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
www.gensapula.too.it
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Philo_of_History_=E0_la_Gibbon?= |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:14:51 +0100 |
|
Ave omnes!
I put a small vision of the history of Rome on the web. What's your opinion about it?
View the article via: http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/philohisto.html
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Franciscus Apulus Caesar for Curator Araneum |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:16:11 -0000 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar,
>
> Part of my own business is professional web design. Your work is
excellent.
Thank you.
> Although but any professional web designer can through some flash
together
> and so on. What will this do for Nova Roma?
It's correct but I wouldn't insert just little flash in Novaroma.org.
It's to easy. I want make it a real interactive website, with a
design more near to the civis, more confortable and pretty.
> Now I am not meaning to bash what you propose in any way. A large
part of my
> own campaign for Aediles Curules consists changing aspects at
NovaRoma.org.
Fine!!!
> Although looking "cool"? I sure hope this is not the only thing you
are
> basing your campaign on. Heck, I could spice NovaRoma.org up with
every web
> gadget you could find.
It isn't necessary, we can make a real interactive site
without "gadgets".
> But would it still be functional to all citizens, and
> serve its purpose to its best extent. Most likely no. All things in
> moderation...
Ok, look this http://www.camera.it/index.asp
This is the website of the Italian Parliament, an istitutional,
cultural, political, etc. site. You can see it is functional to
everybody (a large scale of population) and it have a very "cool"
design.
We can surf on a website very functional and user-oriented with a
design and functions better of the actual. You must read the ideas
about web usability of Zeldman for example.
> If we are both elected I think will be able to able to do much. I
too hope
> to improve interactivity as apart of bring citizens together in the
name of
> friendly entertainment.
I hope ....! I don't want stop the work of the actual Curator
Araenum, his work on the databases is perfect and I would work with
him. I want create a web staff with all the civis oriented to a new
www.novaroma.org, with Aedilis Curules too. ;-)
Sorry I have many problems with my pc and gateway infected by virus
called w32.badtrans.b@mm. I send this e-mails with a lot of
difficulties and I'll make ready my pc tomorrow.
Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
www.gensapula.too.it
(sorry for my english)
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Resignation |
| From: |
"Quintus Iulius Camillus Caesar" <covertuw@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:34:24 +0000 |
|
Due to personal and work commitments, I am no longer able to fully
participate in continued creation of Nova Roma. And since I am a person who
needs to be engaged, I have come to the conclusion (after much thought) that
it would be better to resign my citizenship rather than peering at the
goings-on from the rafters.
I would like to thank Senator Audens for his guidance and allowing me the
opportunity to become active in the politics of Nova Roma. And definitely
would like to thank my Mater, Iulia Cocceia, for her wisdom and help in many
matters.
Vale
Quintus Iulius Camillus Caesar
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Venii Poem |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:51:51 -0800 (PST) |
|
---Ave, Piparskeggr - Venator
What a beautiful poem! As Minerva is a patron diety
of my gens, I printed a copy to offer as a hymn to
venerate Minerva. I hope you don't mind.
Thank you for sharing this wonderous work!
Vale bene,
Maximina Octavia
__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month.
http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Franciscus Apulus Caesar for Curator Araneum |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:47:43 -0500 |
|
Salve Franciscus Apulus Caesar,
>Franciscus Apulus Caesar at sacro_barese_impero@-------- wrote:
>
> It's correct but I wouldn't insert just little flash in Novaroma.org.
> It's to easy. I want make it a real interactive website, with a
> design more near to the civis, more confortable and pretty.
Yes, I can see what you mean. I have always known much could be done to
improve the website. Although to tell the truth I feel as though we must do
so with caution. NovaRoma.org is are main way of presenting our selves to
the world. We need to have a site that is more then good looking. Layout,
content, and ease of use are all more important than a comfortable and
pretty site.
>It isn't necessary, we can make a real interactive site
>without "gadgets".
Ok, but what do you have in mind? How exactly do you plan on making it
interactive?
> I hope ....! I don't want stop the work of the actual Curator
> Araenum, his work on the databases is perfect and I would work with
> him.
I suggest you consider becoming his scribe. I would feel more confident
voting for someone in this position who has experience with NovaRoma.org. If
you work with the Curator Araenum this year. People can see some of your
ideas in action, and you should have no trouble getting support for the
elections next year.
> I want create a web staff with all the civis oriented to a new
> www.novaroma.org, with Aedilis Curules too. ;-)
Glad to hear it. The lundi section of Nova Roma needs some work. I hope to
make this my project if elected as Aedilis Curules.
One more thing Franciscus Apulus, have you designed any websites for Nova
Roma away from NovaRoma.org? This could be a provincial website or gens
site. If you have I would love to check it out. If you have not done this I
highly recommend you get involved in designing a site for your province. By
doing this citizens could get a better idea of what you could do for
NovaRoma.org.
Vale,
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Please visit my campaign website at:
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm
Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Philo of History =?ISO-8859-1?B?4A==?= la Gibbon |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:55:56 -0500 |
|
Salve,
Nice, small but informative. I like how you tied in Nova Roma at the end.
Hopefully as we continue to grow we will receive more such recognition at
the end of end of Roman history. Or is it really the "end"? =)
Thanks for sharing Caius Puteus.
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Please visit my campaign website at
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm
Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
>Caius Puteus Germanicus at puteus@-------- wrote:
>
> I put a small vision of the history of Rome on the web. What's your opinion
> about it?
> View the article via:
> http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/philohisto.html
|
