Subject:	Re: [novaroma] First anniversary provincia Argentina Sp./Eng.
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:15:35 +0100

>
>First anniversary of provincia Argentina.
>
>Salvete omnes.
>On December the 5th provincia Argentina will be one year old , and I
>wish to make a summary of what happened during this year.
>At the moment of its creation by the Senate of Nova Roma we were 7
>citizens in our province. Now we are 15.
>When I took office as propraetor, my first actions were creating the
>oficial provincial mailing list and website (
><http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina>http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group
>/NR_Argentina , y
><http://argentina.novaroma.org>http://argentina.novaroma.org ) .
>All these created the base for the provincial growth. A few months
>later we held our first provincial meeting, which was followed by a
>second one, until finally we had our first face to face meeting.
>Since then the meetings continued until today.
>I must thank specially to those all citizens who participated in the
>chats and face to face meetings, because thanks to them and their
>good will, the provincial activity is possible. They helped with the
>diffusion of Nova Roma among their friends, which helped to the
>growth of our province. In my own case, I wrote an announcement in
>spanish about Nova Roma and the provincia Argentina in my own
>personal site (
><http://ar.geocities.com/danielovi>http://ar.geocities.com/danielovi ).
>Besides, one
>of the new citizens came from my own spanish speaking group dedicated
>to the ancient world.
>So next Wednesday will be a day for celebrating in my province.
>Valete bene
>Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>Propraetor provincialis Argentinae


Salve Propraetor Illustrus Lucius Pompeius Octavianus!

I am sorry to be late in my congratulations, by I have been very busy
lately. But now I have found time to show You my respect as a citizen and
Conlega.

I hereby publicly congratulate You on your success as Propraetor and your
Province on its wonderful development.

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule

CANDIDATE FOR CURULE AEDILE 2755

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Endorsements of Candidacy
From:	"Julilla" <curatrix@-------->
Date:	Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:20:12 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Oppius Flaccus Severus <oppiusflaccus@-------->
wrote:

<snipped>

> Rogator:
> =============
> Julilla Sempronia Magna. As a civis of my province, she is known
to be a highly motivated and dedicated worker in all things. As I'm
not really very familiar with the other candidates here, she is my
natural choice.
>
> Gratias multas amices et quirites for lending me your ear. My best
wishes to all candidates and a hearty THANKS to all that have so
selflessly answered the call to stand for election.
>
> Bene valete in Pace Deorum,
> -Oppius Flaccus Severus

*blushing rosily*

My goodness, gratias plurimas for such a warm endorsement, Oppii, but
it is I who must thank you and all leaders of Nova Roma, be they
regional or national, for the often thankless jobs you do.

I now consider myself more than recompensed for running for office,
and once again, bonam fortunam to all candidati.

Mi Oppii, you have made my day!!!

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
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Subject:	[novaroma] Gratias, Caius Puteus Germanicus!
From:	"Julilla" <curatrix@-------->
Date:	Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:32:57 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@h...> wrote:
> Ave Julilla,
>
> My congrats on this fine piece of work! It's really worth a visit,
dear friends!!
>
> Vale optime in pace deorum!
>
> Caius Puteus Germanicus
> Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
> Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
> Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque
Occidentalis
> http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
> http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/
>

I do not wish to clog the list with too many self-serving posts, but
to be able to say "gratias" twice in one day! Such an honour!

Gratias for your kind words on my Villa, Cai! It's been the work of
the past VI years, never finished, it seems, but at least it has a
permanent address. My chief interest in history has always been the
people-what they did, how they lived, what they wore, and that is the
main focus of my Web site.

Gratias multas,

@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Endorsements of Candidacy
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Thu, 6 Dec 2001 01:40:57 +0100

Salvete Honorable Oppius Flaccus Severus!

I am very glad to see that You are back. First of all I must thank You for
your kind words.

But I really must tell You how much I admire your endorsement of those who
are (or have been) your opponents! You are a model for the correct behavior
of a true Roman according to my view. There have been and still are too
many who behave the opposite way.

I know that You were rather tired this spring and I of course accept that
You take it easy. But, please never leave us, as You a one of the brightest
stars on the Roman sky!!! :-)

>Aedilis Curulis
>==================
>Caseo Fabius Quintilianus. He is known to me to be an endless champion of
>the Provinces (a 'pet' issue of mine,) and a tireless worker. He has been
>instrumental in structuring provincial methodologies in conjunction with
>his duties as Quaestor

....................
................

>
>Bene valete in Pace Deorum,
>-Oppius Flaccus Severus

.


Vale

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: My Thoughts on Nationalism
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@-------->
Date:	Thu, 06 Dec 2001 05:01:42 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@h...>
wrote:
>
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Civites Nova Roma:
>
> The topic of nationalism has been brought up by a few civites and a
couple
> of magistrates, and indeed, with the social problems which have
been slowly
> festering in our res publica, I feel a need to address my vision of
the
> issue.


Salvete Cives,

Pompeia Cornelia has reached an excellent balance with this post and
put it quite eloquently. Yes, in this forum we are Nova Romans but
our macronational identities are still the most important part of us.
It cannot be helped but it does not have to interfere with our lives
as Nova Romans. Nova Roma can only be improved by becoming truly
international in all aspects, including having magistrates from
around the world. Macronational identity should never become the
primary reason for supporting a candidate but it is only realistic to
expect it to be one factor in a voter's decision. I think we are
approaching the day in Nova Roma when no one will ask one's
macronation or even care.

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius,
Senator Consularis

P.S. I want to thank everyone for the kind words in recent days and
for their friendship.

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Priscilla, Sokarus et alia: Was Sokarus / and his attacks
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@-------->
Date:	Thu, 06 Dec 2001 05:34:36 -0000

---Salvete Omnes:



Quintus Fabius, very well said (Your post below); However, it is
noteworthy that this Iniuria occurred not only with one individual but
with three civites, to wit, yourself, Priscilla Vedia Serena, Lucius
Cornelius Sulla. Young Sokarus retracted his accusations against me,
and I am satisfied with this. His remarks to M. Minucius Audens were
rather tasteless but I don't know if it could be proven that he
willfully intended to mar his dignatis in calling him a "moral
crusader" and stating that he didn't need his interference.

Unfortunately this litigation is not in the books yet as law in Nova
Roma, but if it were, I want to emphasize that this is not just one
count, but three. Three people were flamed for having deficits in
character and qualifications without any proof. And the bonus in the
21 Century is that witnesses don't have to be produced; words are
right here in black and white in our archives.

Sokarus, even in the absence of any law in Nova Roma which can charge
you appropriately, you must learn the difference between 'can' and
'may'. You have to learn the consequences of public defamation of
character.

If you have no proof of your statements, don't make them; it is
entirely unRoman and unwelcome.

"Not liking people" is not an excuse to bear unfounded or false
witness.

I ask you now, in good faith, to recognize your errors, and to
apologize to Q. Fabius Maximus, L. Cornelius Sulla, Priscilla Vedia
Serena, for unfounded defamations, and to Marcus Minucius Audens for
your dose of rudeness. This will help you regain your dignatis as a
Roman.

*************

We have had a vastly disproportionate share of this type of talk in
our Forum this year, as opposed to last year, thanks to the efforts of
P. Vedia Serena. She did well to tighten security to prevent trolls
from making seriously defaming statements against people of this res
publica. One troll in particular, one who made a couple of really
ugly posts here in the forum, logged into a Sodalitas Forum, imitating
Apollo, and in his guise, whisked away a citizen as being unworthy of
Apollo's affection and presence. As part of the committee which
founded this sodalitas, dedicated to Apollo, I was stunned, angry,
hurt, and the whole bit. Same troll, but we couldn't "prove" it. I
informed Priscilla Vedia about this (whom I didn't work for yet) and
she became concerned with the influx of troll behaviour and the
ugliness of the communication it presented.

Quirites, is the derrogatory imitation of the Gods appropriate
communication within a micronation who holds the Pantheon in the
highest esteen? And if it were another faith involved, our
discrimination laws cry out for no less justice, nonne?

This troll wasn't a citizen yet, but was an ex citizen, and barring
any real 'proof', Priscilla could do nothing, except: moderate new
list members for a time until their good faith was established; and,
enforcing language policy, so we could effectively moderate the posts
which came up on our screen, BEFORE someone's dignatus was seriously
injured.

Around this time there was a nasty retort to one of the troll flames
in the forum in Latin; Priscilla and I, who are both at the 'circles
and sticks' level of Latin, knew nothing of the borderline
inappropriateness of the post until after the fact.

People don't realize that we are accountable to marcronational laws
for defaming, biggoted posts on our list. We could lose our favour
with Yahoo!. Not to mention that we look dispicable in the eyes of
the public. And, there is every possibility of macronational civil law
suits.

Unfortunately, those who suffered the most were those citizens who
know English very poorly, and do not feel they have full rights to a
public forum. This is true, but in the cases Priscilla had to contend
with, she made a decision to weigh the 'lesser of two evils'.

As for me, I would like to see a more attactive solution to this
language issue; I am sure there is one out there......I have a couple
of ideas, but they rather depend on communication laws, to wit,
Iniuria, put in place in NR, and adopted in a timely manner.

Priscilla's job was to make the forum a safe (psychologically and
constitutionally) comfortable place to communicate. The solutions she
implemented were the best which could be offered at the time. In
light of the circumstances, I agreed with her, and I stand by her
decisions.

I have never known Priscilla to be anything but a magistrate acting in
the best interests of the entire res publica.

And, to those who may suggest otherwise, I receive the same pending
posts as Priscilla, in the moderation of this list.....and no posts
have been absent from the list, because of some theorized "censorship"
because she is desirous of this position for another term. It is just
not happening.

If either she or I were so eager to illegally "censor", why did young
Sokarus' posts appear?

I just felt I had to clarify a few things. I do not enjoy seeing
people confused about the truth, and I cannot in all conscience allow
the truth to be convoluted regarding the motives and actions of
another person, when I know the truth.

Without prejudice and in good faith,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
Scriba Curatrix Sermonis (P. Vedia Serena)
Candidate Praetor Urbanus
NOVA ROMA

Pompeia Cornelia
Candidate Praetor Urbanis






In novaroma@--------, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
> Someone asked what Roman law "Sokarus" is breaking, by his attacks.
> That law would be Iniuria. Iniuria could be considered an assault
against a
> citizen's
> dignatas, or in the case of the magistrate his auctoritas.
> This was usually punished by a fine, the schedule of which would be
published
> within
> the code. Since it occurred in the Forum, in front of many citizens
and the
> act was dolus - with evil intent - the fine would be higher, then
let's say
> in a tavern in front of a few people.
>
> If the Censor wanted to lodge a complaint, he would go to the
Praetor
> Urbanus, state his complaint, subscripto, (usually in writing), and
demand
> justice. The Praetor Urbanus' job is then to decide if their was a
case. If
> there was, the case would move forward, if not, it was dismissed.
> If the Censor wanted to be certain that the case moved forward he
could put
> up a sum of money equal to the scheduled fine. Such a thing would
guarantee
> that the case be heard, but
> the money be forfeited to the quaestio if the accused was found not
guilty.
> In this way Rome sought to limit frivolous law suits.
> Now the Praetor Urbanus would appoint a Iudex, usually a sitting
Senator or
> former Aedile, and decide who would prosecute (accusatio). The
Praetor
> himself could, but usually could not since he so busy. Usually the
> prosecutor was a leading Roman citizen, often a former Praetor.
> The accused would hire an advocate to defend him, usually a
professional, but
> again could be a leading citizen, or Senator.
> The case would be read to the Iudex, the accused asked if he was
guilty or
> not. If guilty the Iudex would consult the schedule, and pronounce
the fine.
> If not, it proceeded to trial.
> The prosecutor would swear an oath of truthfullness, then state the
evidence
> against the accused. The advocate would answer these charges,
trying
> convince the Iudex his client was innocent. Witnesses were heard,
both were
> allowed to cross examine these in an attempt to discredit testimony.
When
> the last witness was heard, the prosecutor would sum up his facts
for the
> Iudex, showing that he had proved his case then the advocate would
attempt to
> sway the Iudex showing him that the prosecutor did not. It was here
that
> great orators had an advantage.
> The Iudex then gave his ruling. Such a trial to day would be called
a
> hearing.
> Romans also had jury trials, iudici, but those rarely would be used
in an
> Iniuria trial.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	[novaroma] Gratias Magnus Tibi Ago
From:	"P )" <trog99@-------->
Date:	Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:45:24 -0500

Salvete Omes:

This will in all likelihood be my final comment prior to the elections. I
have pretty much said all I can say with respect to my vision of what I can
do as Praetor Urbanus, in terms of law, but also in terms of sorting out
some of the dilemnas which face us as a nation, to wit, making the law work
in the best interests of all of us.

I 'hope' that each and every one of you takes the time to vote, according to
your conscience, for the candidates whom you feel would perpetuate the
growth of our res publica. "We" as individuals make up the res pubica, and
our collective votes, made with due thought, are what makes a nation and a
community great.

We are quite fortunate to have such a great selection of people from whom to
choose for the various offices to which they commit their efforts. We have
people from varied cultures, locations, philosophies, yuppies, babyboomers,
offering an equitable representation of all of our citizens, and steadfast
in their commitment to make Nova Roma stonger and its citizens feel that
their input truly does matter.

It is harder to make a decision between "good and gooder" than it is "good
and bad", isn't it :)?

Ahh, but the populace as a whole, has the tough job, and that is to make
what they feel are the appropriate decisions.

I would like to thank all those who have personally endorsed me as a
candidate for Praetor Urbanus, those who have defended my honour in the face
of its attack, and those who have given me counsel during the time I have
been a part of Nova Roma.

I would personally like to extend good will and best wishes to all
candidates in this forthcoming election.

As for the outcome of the vote: I leave this up to the populace of Nova
Roma and the powers above us who offer resolve and imput in ways which we
are only beginning to fathom and appreciate.

In Amicitia (win or lose),
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
Candidate Praetor Urbanus
NOVA ROMA



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Subject:	[novaroma] Saturnalia Gathering
From:	"europamoon7" <europamoon7@-------->
Date:	Thu, 06 Dec 2001 04:48:59 -0000

Avete,

Just a reminder that I will be hosting a Saturnalia gathering at my
home on Sunday, December 9 at 1:00 p.m. in Tustin, Ca. The afternoon
will include lunch, a ritual honoring Saturn, a poety reading, a
lecture on the origins of Christmas and Saturnalia, games and
discussion. Please RSVP no later than Thursday Dec 6. Directions
will be provided to those that RSVP.

I hope to see you there!

May the Gods be with you!

Valete,

Antonia Cornelia Octavia
Scriba ad Proconsul di California

Subject:	[novaroma] Candidacies
From:	MarcusAudens@--------
Date:	Thu, 6 Dec 2001 02:22:55 -0500 (EST)

Citizens of Nova Roma;

It has been my pleasure to be asked for my suggestions as to candidates.
I normally do not give advice, as that path can very often lead to
disaster, so perhaps those who have asked me for my views in this
matter, will be satisfied with my present intentions on how I will vote.
I suppose things could change in the future, but saving an extreme
social upheaval of some kind somewhere, I do not think that likely.

For Censor, although the choice is difficult, I believe that
Diocletianus is the best choice. This for several reasons. He is a
Senator and in the Senate he has always provided a reasoned opinion and
polite demeanor with consideration for those with whom he is speaking,
as well as well-researched decisions. He has served with me on some
special Senate Business as my deputy, and has carried out his assigned
tasks thoughly and completely. In doing so you get to know the kind of
a man that you are working with closely, and in my view, this is who I
want to be the next Censor. In an earlier post I indicated that
National Poltical Lines should not be a limitation to ability and
energy, and to my mind, one could not find a better candidate to echo
those concerns. I also have endorsed Serena for her position as the
Moderator of the Main List for her excellent job in the past year, but
in my view from discussions with former Censor Merrullus, and Censor
Cincinnatus, the task can be and often is daunting, and with two such
excellent candidates it is my belief that both jobs would be too much,
and further, there appears to be no need to settle two tasks upon one
set of shoulders.

I am very impressed with Senator Octavius both as a Senatorial Colleague
and as one who has certainly served Nova Roma long and well as both
Webmaster and Senator. He also has served with me in a special Senate
assignment, and was extremely valuable in carrying out that task to it's
completion. He is thorough, he is deliberate and careful in is
decision-making, and he is, as I try to be, very conscious of those
opponent's views, carefully watching to be sure that there is nothing
that he has missed in the argument that might benefit the people of Nova
Roma. He has shown his total honesty in my view as well as a straight
forward manner, and yet manages to get along with almost everyone. In my
view, he is a valuable citizen, and has proven to me that he deserves
the chance to address some of the outstanding concerns that face Nova
Roma.

Both of these candidates have proven themselves to me, to be free from
the "political views" of the professional office-seeker, and I believe
have shown themselves to be honest, hard-working citizens whose only
reward that they seek is not in titles, positions, or special honors,
but simply the satisfaction to make Nova Roma a better place in which to
learn more about the Ancient Rome that we are drawn here to enjoy. Both
have proven themselves to be effective, truthful, diligent, honorable,
and concerned for the individual as well as for the Majority.

In answer to those who have asked me for my advice, I must say that I
have none to give, however, these are the gentlemen that I shall vote
for at the polls, for anyone who might concievably be interested.

Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Priestess Patricia Cassia!
From:	"pjane64" <pcassia@-------->
Date:	Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:56:37 -0000

Thank you, Marcus Minucius and Caius Puteus Germanicus, for your kind
words!

Indeed, in assuming the priesthood of Minerva, I do not intend to go
"behind the veil," but to be active in encouraging Minerva's virtues of
craftsmanship, teaching, art and healing.

Patricia Cassia

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Language problem
From:	Michel Loos <loos@-------->
Date:	06 Dec 2001 09:39:01 -0200

On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 20:06, luciuspompeius wrote:
> Salvete omnes.
> Please let me express an idea I have in mind right now. Language
> translation is not a big problem for those of us who have an
> intermediate level of English. But it is for those who have a very
> limited knowledge of it,or even they do not speak English at all.
> However they still keep their love for ancient Rome. The idea I have
> in mind right now is that they could get help from their own
> provincial governors or somebody else from their provincia in
> translating what they wish to post. In this way somebody speaking his
> own language and living the same culture and idiosyncracy could help
> them post what they wish to express.
> Just a thought.

Good idea. This could become an additional job for the propraetores,
at least in monolingual provinces. It could become the duty of the
propraetors to produce a translation of their province citizens mail
in a max delay, say of one week, if no other voluntary translator showed
up.

Manius Villius Limitanus

> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus.

Subject:	[novaroma] Endorsments
From:	Michel Loos <loos@-------->
Date:	06 Dec 2001 10:29:47 -0200

Salvete,

my endorsments for this election:

Censor:
without any doubt CAIUS FLAVIUS DIOCLETIANUS which has all necessary
qualification for this job + will bring a different cultural sensibility
to this post.

Consul:
MARCUS OCTAVIUS GERMANICUS
mostly for his constant defence of the Religio.


Praetor:
Very hard choice I can t decide myself between:
POMPEIA CORNELIA STRABO an extremely honest and hard working person
whith whom I had the pleasure to civily disagree many times this year
without that ever the debate was lowered, quite the opposite of the
curatrix
TITUS LABIENUS FORTUNATUS
He did a good job this year, I share most of his political ideals

Aedilis Curulis:
CAESO FABIUS QUINTILIANUS
Absolutely great work in Thule. We dont agree on the language policy and
censorship but a great man.

Aedilis Plebis:
SEXTUS APOLLONIUS DRACO
Very active, he has to be given the chance to prove his capabilities in
public service.

Tribunus Plebis:
2 Great candidates, the plebs will be well served this year
I will vote for:
MARCUS ARMINIUS MAIOR
Excellent work in our province.

Quaestor
GAIUS QUIRINUS ITALICUS CAESAR
I am sensible to his declaration for total transparency.

Curator Araneum
MARCUS OCTAVIUS GERMANICUS
Outstanding work, certainly deserves reelection.


Curator Differium
MARCUS SCIPIADUS SCIPIO AFRICANUS

Curator Sermonis
Certainly not Vedia, whoever the other candidate would be
MANIUS VILLIUS LIMITANUS



Manius Villius Limitanus

Subject:	[novaroma] Renuntatio Propraetoricium X about the Conclusion of the Fourth
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:41:22 +0100

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Renuntatio Propraetoricium X about the Conclusion of the Fourth Plenum of
the Consilium Provincale Thules at the 30th of November until Sunday the
2nd of December.

From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, Propraetor Thules

Salvete Quirites!

The Fourth Plenum of the Consilium Provincale Thules has come to an end.
The discussions, advices and suggestions made by the Consilium resulted in
the following Edictum and Renuntatio:

1. Edictum Propraetoricium XXXII about the Approved request of membership
in the Limes Project for Provincia Thule
2. Renuntatio Propraetoricium X about the Conclusion of the Fourth Plenum
of the Consilium Provincale Thules

Because of the sickness of the Reporter, Honorable Gaius Rubellius Rufus,
on the issue about Recruitment, this issue was forced to be postponed once
again.

Here is some information about which issues the Consilium will have to deal
with:

At the Fifth Plenum of the Consilium Provincale Thule, during the first
half of the next year, we will decide about our Recruitment policy. We will
also deal with the promised yearly discussion about websites and the
Provincia Conference. One or two further issues may also be dealt with, for
instance the NR "Tax".

If any citizen would like the Consilium to deal with some special issue it
is always possible to make a suggestion privately to the Propraetor. Then
it will be a question of time and knowledge. All citizens are of course
encouraged to contact the Propraetor to get help with private issues and to
discuss important issues! The Propraetor will deal with these issues
personally or through his Cohors Propraetoris.

I continue to say as I have said before:
"There will be a lot of work to be done, to make these dreams come true! As
Propraetor I deeply hope to see more citizens step forward into the light
to take part in this revival on the Nordic ground of a reborn Nova Roman
Provincia!"

Vale

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Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXXII about the Approved request of
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:16:58 +0100

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Edictum Propraetoricium XXXII about the Approved request of membership in
the Limes Project for Provincia Thule

I. Since half a year I, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, is member of the
ColloquimProvincia List, which organises Provincial Governors. This list
enables these Governors to discuss and exchange ideas. Since 5th of
December 2753 a Senatus Consultum have decided the rules for the so caled
"Limes Cooperation". The Limes Cooperation basic idea is to allow a free
exchange of ideas between the provinces, so that new Governors may get some
help in setting up a base for their administration, as well as give old
Governors some tips on how things could be done. Also, the Limes
Cooperation is supposed to develop tools for assisting Governors in
designing the websites for their provinciae. To complete the organised
contacts within Nova Roma I have decided to request membership in the Limes
Cooperation.

II. Provincia Thule hereby officially requests membership in the Limes
Cooperation.
1. The Senior Legatus is hereby ordered to contact the scriba of the Limes
Cooperation and, on behalf of Provincia Thule, request membership.
2. The Praeco Anarei is hereby ordered to, as soon as membership has been
granted, make available a webpage on the Thule website regarding the Limes
Cooperation.

III. All members of the inner circle of the Cohors Propraetoris are
henceforth required to subscribe to the Limes Cooperation mailing list. To
make this easier, the Praeco Anarei is hereby ordered to provide a link to
said mailing list from the provincial website. The Praeco Anarei is also
ordered to provide a link to the Limes Cooperation homepage from the
provincial website.

IV. Further regulation regarding our membership in the Limes Cooperation
may be added with later edicts.

V. Above edictum has the support of the Consilium Provincale Thules.

VI. These webpages are of interest regarding the Limes Cooperation:

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-12-05-vii.html

http://www.novaroma.de/lc/


VII. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given December 6th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules
__________________________

Vale

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Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXXIII about the appointment of a "Scriba
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:33:13 +0100

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Edictum Propraetoricium XXXIII about the appointment of a "Scriba
Explorator" in the Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

It is a great pleasure for me, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, to appoint this
Honorable citizen to this position within Provincia Thule and the Cohors
Propraetoris (The Propraetorian Staff, Provincial Governament)! I, as a
Nova Roman citizen within the Provincia Thule, am proud to see the Gravitas
and Pietas this citizen shows and I am very glad that he has accepted this
important position!

I. Rogator and Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris
Europaeque Occidentalis Honorable Caius Puteus Germanicus is hereby
appointed as a Scriba Explorator (Research Scriba) of Academia Thules ad
Studia Romana
Antiqua et Nova.

II. Above appointed official is asked to observe that he is bound by the
"Approved Regula (Charter) for the Administration of Thule" as it was
published on the 15th of April 2001.

III. As an official of Provincia Thule they are asked to, within one week
of his appointment to swear the public oath shown on
<http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html>http://www.novaroma.org/tab
ularium/lex99191002.html
using both his Nova Roman name and withinparenthesis his macroworld (real)
name.

The Oath must be published on the NovaRomaThule List and the Nova Roma Roma
Main List!

IV. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given December 6th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules

Vale

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Renewed public petition
From:	"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Dec 2011 04:06:03 -0200

Salve S. Apolloni

>I would like to second your words, and join you in your petition. Elections
>are always somewhat of an exception ;).

Thanks for the support. There cannot be previous censorship <whatsoever>
during election times.

>PS: By the way, the proper term is "Curator Sermonis" (female "Curatrix
>Sermonis")

Thanks for the correction. I looked back to se where I wrote Curator
Sermonis in my last message but I couldn't find it. Perhaps my Latin slept
for a while...
A propos, I think the correct form would be accusative for sermo, am I
right? Curator/trix sermonem.

Atticus




>Salve Tite Horati,
>
><< Well, the messages of the candidates are not suposed to be a danger for
>the Republic, and if it is so, it is good that to be patent. As for the
>civilty policy, we all know that was not the case of Limitanus, but of some
>other cives. >>
>
>
>Vale bene,
>

>
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Renewed public petition
From:	"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Dec 2011 06:28:12 -0200

Salvete Cives
Salve Priscilla Vedia



(Excerpt from Priscilla Vedia mail, see bellow for the entire message)
>Allow me to be very clear here. Every single post of his has been approved
>throughout the election season. That will not change unless he attempts to
>post a message which my Constitutional duty requires me to reject.



I understood this from the beginning.
I really think you didn't follow me. What for you seems to be natural, for
me is a legal absurd. So, allow me to give this macronational example to
help our comunication:

George Bush and Al Gore are candidates for the same position. Their
propaganda politica is made mainly on TV. George Bush controls what is said
on TV. Everything Al Gore says on TV must be previously checked by George
Bush. I am a voter. Do you think I would be confortable with this
situation?

Considerations:
1. Actually it would never happen in USA, as this country is a great example
of maturity in democracy. The laws would not allow this to happen. In NR, as
we don't have still all the laws we need (this task takes years and never
ends!), we have to count on the good sense of the magistrates. I
appealled to your good sense.

2. It is completely useless saying that Bush is a decent person and that he
wouldn't reject or alter Al Gore's messages. What matters is: Bush cannot
at the same time be a candidate and control the messages of his opponent.

3. Now Bush says: "I won't reject any message from Gore, I 'll just check
them before they go to TV and see if there is something against the
Constitution!"
... Absurd! It is not a valid argument.


But I agree with you in one single point: you have the right to reject my
petition.
Thanks for considering my messages.

Valete
Vale

Titus Horatius Atticus


-----Mensagem original-----
De: JusticeCMO <justicecmo@-------->
Para: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Data: Quarta-feira, 5 de Dezembro de 2001 20:52
Assunto: RE: [novaroma] Renewed public petition


>
>Salve,
>
>>>I believe that Priscilla Vedia has good intent behind the censoring of
>Limitanus.>>
>
>Indeed it is Limitanus' own refusal to abide by List Policy that has caused
>his moderation. This was not a situation *done* to him. It was his
choice.
>
>>>Although with this being your political opponent I feel as though you
must
>give Limitanus reasonable freedom to post up what he wants.>>'
>
>Allow me to be very clear here. Every single post of his has been approved
>throughout the election season. That will not change unless he attempts to
>post a message which my Constitutional duty requires me to reject.
>
><snip>
>
>>>It will be fair as he is your opponent, and would most likely show that
>you are the person for the job, and *not* Limitanus.>>
>
>I rather think my job to date proves that point pretty well. ;)
>
>Seriously, though.......I will not shirk my duty or allow any individual to
>abuse this List simply because they are my opponent. I would also remind
>the List members that my most excellent scriba also views and approves
posts
>and she is of such impeccable moral character that even in the most
unlikely
>event that I *were* to try and reject a post by Limitanus due solely to his
>opposition in this election, she would quickly and efficiently hand my head
>to me. Thankfully that has never been the case and will not be going
>forward.
>
>Vale,
>Priscilla Vedia Serena
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> "Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
>> "Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother
>> of virtues"
>>
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Subject:	R: [novaroma] Endorsments
From:	"Gaius Quirinus" <gaius_quirinus_caesar@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:26:11 +0100

Salve Mani Villi,
Thank you very much: I hope of being able to maintain my word!
Vale,
Gaius Quirinus

>Quaestor
>GAIUS QUIRINUS ITALICUS CAESAR
>I am sensible to his declaration for total transparency.

Paterfamilis Gentis Quirina
Civis Italiae, Provincia Novae Romae

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Vita populorum seculis metenda est,
Italae mille annorum spatium!
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Salve, cara Deis, tellus sanctissima salve,/tellus tuta bonis, metuenda
superbis.
(Francesco Petrarca, Epistole Metriche, III, 24, Ad Italiam)
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Subject:	[novaroma] POSTULATIO
From:	"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Dec 2011 07:57:15 -0200

Praetor CAIUS FLAVIUS DIOCLETIANUS




POSTULATIO




TITUS HORATIUS ATTICUS, civis Novae Romae, pater familias, asks you to propose an INTERCESSIO against PRISCILLA VEDIA, civis, curatrix sermonem, based on the reasons listed bellow.

DE FACTO

I. Priscilla Vedia, curatrix sermonem, is responsible for the maintenance and moderation of the official email discussion list. It has become notorious that she has been performing previous censorship over the messages from a candidate for the elections to be: the so called moderated status. That is how Priscilla Vedia explained this satus, in verbis:
"Moderated status does not interfere with a
cive's ability to speak freely. Unless his post is something actionable
under the Constitution, it goes through exactly as written. Therefore, his
free opinions are here for all to see, simply delayed for a time until
myself or my scriba can approve it."

II. It is now time for the debates before the elections and it is imperative that all candidates have unmoderated access to the main list. Each abuse or danger to the Constitution or the Res Publica must be sanctioned after it is done, and not before, during the elections period. This time must be the utmost democratic and uncensored, so that no missunderstanding or suspicion about the elections and the debates can damage the results of voting. It is imperative that no candidate suffer any sort of previous control of his or her messages, whatsoever.

III. The question must be solved using the Proportionality: it is much more important for Nova Roma to have a completely free debate than to control the postings of a single citizen, because one of his messages COULD be harmful to the Constitution. What IS effectively harmfull for the Constitution is previous censorship during the electoral debates.

DE IURE

I. I have the right to propose you this INTERCESSIO, since I have the constitutional right to vote in elections (Const.NR ART. II, B, 3). And I need all information I can have about the candidates with no sort of previous restriction.

II. I come before you, as the Praetor has the constitutional right to pronounce intercessio against another praetor or magistrate of lesser authority (Const.NR IV,3,d). No law, considering the principle of the Legal Precedence of our Constitution (Const.NR ART I,B), can take this right-responsability inherent to your charge.

III. Priscilla Vedia' authority to exerce her control derives from the Lex Vedia Vigintisexviri, which complements the Constitution (ART. II, B, 4). The Constitution says each civis has, in verbis

"The right to participate in all public forums and discussions, and the right to reasonably expect such forums to be supported by the State. Such communications, regardless of their content, may not be restricted by the State, except where they represent an imminent and clear danger to the Republic. Such officially sponsored forums may be expected to be reasonably moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility." (my italics)

The Constitution (nor the Lex Vedia) does not allow her to control previously the messages of a candidate in such a manner during the Electoral Debates. Acting in this way she abuses her authority.

PETITA

I. I ask that moderated status be supressed during the elections on behalf of the Rights of the Citizenry and the Political Order.

II. Considering there is
PERICULUM IN MORA (danger in waiting too long for your decision), as the elections are iminent;
FUMUS BONI IURIS (that is, my plea seems to be fair), as both the Constitution and the Law proved my point
I also ask that, before your final decision, you grant immediately on a provisory basis the suspension of the moderated status.

Iustitia quae sera tamen!


Titus Horatius Atticus
civis



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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latin (was Renewed public petition)
From:	labienus@--------
Date:	Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:49:01 US/Central

Salve Tite Horati

> A propos, I think the correct form would be accusative for sermo, am I
> right? Curator/trix sermonem.

Why the accusative? Curator "of the conversation" would seem to imply the
genitive case to me.

Or, are you viewing it as "conversation curator", and therefore using sermo as
an adjective? In that case, wouldn't curator need to be in the accusative as
well--e.g. curatorem sermonem? Then again, would not the whole be in the
nominative--curator sermo, as it appears in the Lex Vedia de Vigintisexviri--
when used in an English sentence?

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: POSTULATIO
From:	"amrcg" <amg@-------->
Date:	Thu, 06 Dec 2001 20:24:02 -0000

Antonius Gryllus Graecus Tito Horatio Attico omnibusque Quiritibus

Although I am a political adversary of Priscilla Vedia Serena in what
concerns the language policy, my sense of justice forces me to stand
on her side at this time.


> TITUS HORATIUS ATTICUS, civis Novae Romae, pater familias, asks
>you to propose an INTERCESSIO against PRISCILLA VEDIA, civis,
>curatrix sermonem, based on the reasons listed bellow.
> DE FACTO
> I. Priscilla Vedia, curatrix sermonem, is responsible for the
maintenance and moderation of the official email discussion list. It
has become notorious that she has been performing previous censorship
over the messages from a candidate for the elections to be: the so
called moderated status. That is how Priscilla Vedia explained this
satus, in verbis:
> "Moderated status does not interfere with a
> cive's ability to speak freely. Unless his post is something
>actionable
> under the Constitution, it goes through exactly as written.
>Therefore, his
> free opinions are here for all to see, simply delayed for a time
>until
> myself or my scriba can approve it."
As the Curatrix says, she analyses the messages according to the
Constitution... She would be violating the Constitution if acting
otherwise, letting pass harming postings from people who had already
that bad precedent on this list.

> II. It is now time for the debates before the elections and it is
>imperative that all candidates have unmoderated access to the main
>list. Each abuse or danger to the Constitution or the Res Publica
>must be sanctioned after it is done, and not before, during the
>elections period. This time must be the utmost democratic and
>uncensored, so that no missunderstanding or suspicion about the
>elections and the debates can damage the results of voting. It is
>imperative that no candidate suffer any sort of previous control of
>his or her messages, whatsoever.
Violating of the Constitution "must be sanctioned after it is done"?
I thought that the objective of the Constitution was to be followed,
its rules to be enforced, and its violation to be prevented... In
what state would you like to live amice? In a state where the state
did not prevent crime, limiting itself to trial the criminals after
the acts had been performed? Not even in Athens!
I can only explain your statements as coming at a moment of hot
temper, without measuring the actual thoughts transmitted by your
words. Anarchy has no place in here. And - forgive me - but your
logic is not very wise and from what I know of you, you are capable
of defending more virtuous ideals.

> III. The question must be solved using the Proportionality: it is
>much more important for Nova Roma to have a completely free debate
>than to control the postings of a single citizen, because one of his
>messages COULD be harmful to the Constitution. What IS effectively
>harmfull for the Constitution is previous censorship during the
>electoral debates.
As the Curatrix says, the postings of Limitanus were not cut... Only
delayed due to the status that Limitanus has brought onto himself
with his previous bad behaviour on this list. The best he has to do -
and that would indeed be the attitude of a man of virtue - is to
accept the consequences of his acts.


> I. I have the right to propose you this INTERCESSIO, since I have
>the constitutional right to vote in elections (Const.NR ART. II, B,
>3). And I need all information I can have about the candidates with
>no sort of previous restriction.
No one has ommitted information, so you have all you need.


> II. I come before you, as the Praetor has the constitutional right
>to pronounce intercessio against another praetor or magistrate of
>lesser authority (Const.NR IV,3,d). No law, considering the
>principle of the Legal Precedence of our Constitution (Const.NR ART
>I,B), can take this right-responsability inherent to your charge.
The fact that the magistrate has the right does not mean that the
right will be used without a good motivation.


> III. Priscilla Vedia' authority to exerce her control derives from
>the Lex Vedia Vigintisexviri, which complements the Constitution
>(ART. II, B, 4). The Constitution says each civis has, in verbis
> "The right to participate in all public forums and discussions, and
>the right to reasonably expect such forums to be supported by the
>State. Such communications, regardless of their content, may not be
>restricted by the State, except where they represent an imminent and
>clear danger to the Republic. Such officially sponsored forums may
>be expected to be reasonably moderated in the interests of
>maintaining order and civility." (my italics)
I repeat "except where they represent an imminent and >clear danger
to the Republic". "Imminent" is based on precedent. And again, no one
has cut any part of Limitanus' speech as far as I know. So, just calm
down amice, drink a patera of wine and enjoy the elections. All is ok.

> The Constitution (nor the Lex Vedia) does not allow her to control
>previously the messages of a candidate in such a manner during the
>Electoral Debates. Acting in this way she abuses her authority.
No message was deleted, and so there is no motive for such alarm.


> I. I ask that moderated status be supressed during the elections on
>behalf of the Rights of the Citizenry and the Political Order.
So that disorder can only be acted upon AFTER IT HAS OCCURED? No. As
citizen I do not agree. I want NR to be protected against abuse on
the main list, specially from people with precedent of such acts.

> II. Considering there is
> PERICULUM IN MORA (danger in waiting too long for your decision),
>as the elections are iminent;
> FUMUS BONI IURIS (that is, my plea seems to be fair), as both the
Constitution and the Law proved my point
> I also ask that, before your final decision, you grant immediately
>on a provisory basis the suspension of the moderated status.
I disagre, amice. And I ask you again to change your actitude to a
more constructive one. Why don't you contribute with some good
research material or Latin translation to the web site? What do you
think?

> Iustitia quae sera tamen!
Semper!


Vale bene
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Senator Pontifexque

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXXIII about the appointment of a "Scriba Explorator" in the Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:58:06 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Quirites.

Congratulations on your new position, Cai Pute. I am sure you will do
an outstanding work in the Academia, and I look forward to working with
you.


=====
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Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Renewed public petition
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:05:51 -0500

Salve,

>on 12/5/01 5:51 PM, JusticeCMO at justicecmo@-------- wrote:
>
> Seriously, though.......I will not shirk my duty or allow any individual to
> abuse this List simply because they are my opponent.

Sure, but it can be looked at the other way. Blocking the chance for your
opponent to speak out freely could be taken as abusing these powers given
upon you.

> I would also remind
> the List members that my most excellent scriba also views and approves posts
> and she is of such impeccable moral character that even in the most unlikely
> event that I *were* to try and reject a post by Limitanus due solely to his
> opposition in this election, she would quickly and efficiently hand my head
> to me. Thankfully that has never been the case and will not be going
> forward.

Again, I don't believe that you would cheat Limitanus out of running
properly for the election. It just looks bad on you because his supporters
may think differently of you then I do. They may form different opinions...

I appreciate your outstanding efforts in keeping this list on track. This is
why I support you in the elections. Although, I don't believe censoring
Limitanus is in your best interests or those of Nova Roma in this scenario.

Vale,

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

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Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
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Canada Orientalis Provincia

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Priestess Patricia Cassia!
From:	Maximina Octavia <myownq@-------->
Date:	Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:11:53 -0800 (PST)

Ave Patrica Cassia

Congratulations as Priestess of Minerva!

As Minerva is a patron diety of of my gens, I am
especially excited about Her having you as Her
Priestess. I am certain you will do a fine job on Her
behalf and behalf of those in NR who admire Her.

As an artist and a craftsperson, I am especially
pleased for you and She.

If you wish to take a peak, as soon as I am finished
with the portrait of Minerva, I shall post it for your
viewing. It is nearly finished, but I have been
side-tracked with a commission from the U.K. and other
work so have not had time to finish it. Perhaps your
inspiration was just what I needed!

Vale bene, Maximina Octavia (friend to the gens Cassia
and Gaia Cassia High Priestess to Diana Lucifera).
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Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXXIII about the appointment of a "Scriba Explorator" in the Academia Thules
From:	"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:45:06 +0100

BlankCaius Puteus Germanicus omnibus salutem!

Following the Edictum Propraetoricium XXXIII about the appointment of a
"Scriba Explorator" in the Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
of December 6th 2754, I hereby solemny swear the oath before the gods, the
people and the senate of Rome.

I want to thank, via this way, the Illustrous Propraetor Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus to offer this position to me. I also am flattered by the many
kind words he has spoken on the main list about me. I hope I will be able to
contribute to the fullest to the mission of the Academia, and thus being
able to fulfill the expectations Propraetor Quintilianus has.

I, Bart Vandeputte aka Caius Puteus Germanicus, do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Caius Puteus Germanicus swear to honor the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Caius Puteus Germanicus swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as
the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Caius Puteus Germanicus swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
Nova Roma.

I, Caius Puteus Germanicus further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad
Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et
Nova and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities
attendant thereto.

Vale optime in pace deorum!

Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/

Subject:	[novaroma] On the Renewed public petition
From:	QFabiusMaxmi@--------
Date:	Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:20:34 EST

In a message dated 12/6/01 11:32:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
esteves@-------- writes:


> I understood this from the beginning.
> I really think you didn't follow me. What for you seems to be natural, for
> me is a legal absurd. So, allow me to give this macronational example to
> help our comunication:
>
Salvete!
Titus Horatius Atticus, you have such a honorable and great Roman name. So
why are you tending a such a tempest in a teacup?

> George Bush and Al Gore are candidates for the same position. Their
> propaganda politica is made mainly on TV. George Bush controls what is said
> on TV. Everything Al Gore says on TV must be previously checked by George
> Bush. I am a voter. Do you think I would be conformable with this
> situation?
>

Actually this happens a lot in TV politics. The stationowner politics
determines
the slant of the news either to the right or the left.

> Considerations:
> 1. Actually it would never happen in USA, as this country is a great example
> of maturity in democracy. The laws would not allow this to happen. In NR, as
> we don't have still all the laws we need (this task takes years and never
> ends!), we have to count on the good sense of the magistrates. I
> appealled to your good sense.
>

Oh please Titus Horatius! The US is as corrupt in places as any other place
on earth. Money subjugates a lot of politicos. Hence the current
congressional attempt to ban soft money from use in campaigns.

> 2. It is completely useless saying that Bush is a decent person and that he
> wouldn't reject or alter Al Gore's messages. What matters is: Bush cannot
> at the same time be a candidate and control the messages of his opponent.
>

Can't? Vedia could turn over her duties to Cornelia I guess, but what if
Villius has a beef with her also? Replace her as well? Where do we draw the
line? Why is Villius to be so favored anyway? He knew the rules, the edict
impowering the Curator is very explict. Just because he felt he was not
disrupting the list, by the standards set forth and upheld, Villius did
disrupt the list and hence placed on moderated status. He broke the rule
through culpa, and now he is moderated.

> 3. Now Bush says: "I won't reject any message from Gore, I 'll just check
> them before they go to TV and see if there is something against the
> Constitution!"
> ... Absurd! It is not a valid argument.
>

Why is this absurb? If her duties are to uphold a certain standard on this
list, and these standards are being compromised, by ANYONE...the Senate and
People gave her the power to moderate the individual. That is the plan fact.
If the person is the Consul, or a streetsweeper it doesn't matter.

Come Titus Horatius Atticus. Has Villius complained about his messages being
changed? Has he even tried to get off moderated status these last months?

No. He stands for Curator because he doesn't like the job Vedia is doing or
the way she is doing it. And of course this one of the reasons why he is on
moderated status
because he believes SPQNR are trampling his rights and he has been disruptive
about it on the list. See the problem?
There is nothing in the edict about suspending moderation for an election.
That is the Curator's call. And if she sees fit not to change it, then there
is not much you can do about it but fume.
Vedia has broken no laws, and she is doing her duty as set forth. Villius'
messages arrive after they are checked for disruptive influences. They are
late but they do arrive. And that is what we the people and the senate want
it to be so we have a civil list.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus





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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] On the Renewed public petition
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:11:29 -0500

Salve Q. Fabius Maximus,

>QFabiusMaxmi@-------- at QFabiusMaxmi@-------- wrote:
>
> Actually this happens a lot in TV politics. The stationowner politics
> determines
> the slant of the news either to the right or the left.

Yes, although Vedia does not own the mainlist, the people of Nova Roma do.
We have conflicting opinions on both candidates. We should be able to hear
both sides freely because it is to the benefit of this nation.

> Can't? Vedia could turn over her duties to Cornelia I guess, but what if
> Villius has a beef with her also? Replace her as well? Where do we draw the
> line? Why is Villius to be so favored anyway? He knew the rules, the edict
> impowering the Curator is very explict. Just because he felt he was not
> disrupting the list, by the standards set forth and upheld, Villius did
> disrupt the list and hence placed on moderated status. He broke the rule
> through culpa, and now he is moderated.
>
> Why is this absurb? If her duties are to uphold a certain standard on this
> list, and these standards are being compromised, by ANYONE...the Senate and
> People gave her the power to moderate the individual. That is the plan fact.
> If the person is the Consul, or a streetsweeper it doesn't matter.

Frankly, I am surprised you support this. True what she is doing is legal.
This does not make it right. To have a proper election we need to be
guaranteed to be able to hear all opinions expressed by all candidates. How
are we to make the proper decision when voting if we are not guaranteed to
be hearing all of what is being said by both candidates?

>
> Come Titus Horatius Atticus. Has Villius complained about his messages being
> changed? Has he even tried to get off moderated status these last months?
>
> No. He stands for Curator because he doesn't like the job Vedia is doing or
> the way she is doing it. And of course this one of the reasons why he is on
> moderated status
> because he believes SPQNR are trampling his rights and he has been disruptive
> about it on the list. See the problem?

He may of earned what he received. Although being a candidate for curator at
the same time while being censored could be a form of abusing the power of
the office. Both candidates would not have an equal advantage while
campaigning. I don't believe Vedia is doing this, but it is possible. It
would be preferable to see this scenario avoided completely by never having
candidates for curator censored.

> Vedia has broken no laws, and she is doing her duty as set forth. Villius'
> messages arrive after they are checked for disruptive influences. They are
> late but they do arrive. And that is what we the people and the senate want
> it to be so we have a civil list.

Yes, there is not a law against this. Vedia does not have to listen. In the
new year I think this is something that should be clarified. I could see
this becoming a problem if we got a curator not as responsible as our
current one. We should have a fail safe against such an event.

Vale,

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

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