| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Endorsements |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:59:10 -0500 |
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Salve,
>>These endorsements are coming out of the back of my throat. I have no
probleme with the fact that people write endorsements to their favored
candidate, hell i did it myself. But this is starting to annoy me beyond
tolerance. Endorsements here, endorsements there.>>
I will give you the same advice I always give when a person expresses
frustration with a given topic: ignore what does not interest you. In this
case, it is especially easy since by and large all endorsements have had the
word "endorsement" in the subject line. Simply delete those posts unread if
it is driving you to distraction.
>>This group is supposed to be about history, latin language, roman culture,
religion, etc.., even though we are in election time and the elections have
started.>>
Actually this List is "supposed to be about" all aspects of Nova Roma and
Roman interests. All the topics you mention are included in the purpose of
this List, but so are the politics of our nation.
>>I just wanted to say why in Tartarus is this just a political list instead
instead of being a list with multiple intrests(culture, religion, history of
the Roman civilisation).>>
This List is what the members make it. If a certain topic....be it
politics, books or recipes......has the member's current attention it is
likely to be the lion's share of what you will see here. As Curatrix, I can
assure you that people post on what they wish, without any requirement that
they be political in any sense.
>>Where are these posts. It has been months since i have seen these kind of
posts.>>
With all due respect, if you wish to see posts on different topics *write*
them. People here are very interested in a wide array of things Roman and I
am sure you will find good conversation on whatever topics you would like to
see. Don't wait for someone else to start a thread, be creative! I think
you'll be pleasantly surprised at how many topics our List members are
knowledgeable about.
>>Elections have arrived, the moderator of this list should remind cives
every day of two that the elections has started,>>
Actually, the whole point of having a set "discussion" period prior to the
cista opening for actual voting is to allow candidates and cives to discuss
their ideas, qualifications and questions. Thankfully there seems to be a
great deal of interest in civic duty and voting this year, so I have not
seen a need to additionally remind cives about elections. I hope this
bodes well for a record voter turnout in this election!
>>but please shut your mouth for once about politics or make a Roman
political list for those of you who want to talk nothing but politics.>>
I would strongly suggest you refrain from telling List members to "shut"
their mouths. Such discourteous behavior is unwarranted and does nothing to
add to either your cause or your dignitas. As for a separate political
list, if you check the archives you will see that I put up a poll regarding
just such an idea (having been requested to do so) and the people
resoundingly denounced the idea. As one of those who voted against such a
measure I have to repeat my advice from before: read what interests you and
delete the rest, but please do not attempt to dictate to the List members
what *they* may find interesting and worthy of discussion.
>>I reall don't care so much about politics and i think i'm not the only one
who thinks of this and wanted to ask to change the subject into something
different than politics or make a political list.>>
If you don't care for the current topics......whatever they might
be.......*do* something constructive about it. Post a thread that interests
you, be proactive. That is the way to see your goal achieved, not by being
rude to the List at large.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonis
> Vale bene
> Tiberius Apollonius Callias
> Permito Deorum Beate quod contego tu totus
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Endorsements |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:35:47 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete,
This message is for those citizens who have chosen to
run for office.
As a citizen of NR, I appreciate all those candidates
who have come forward to offer their services for a
better Nova Roma.
In the future, I hope that anyone running for office
make a regular appearance on the Main List. Only
since campaigning started have certain individuals
made an appearance on this list.
I find it amusing that all of the sudden, people who
have not participated on the Main List and in some
cases any list all year have suddenly appeared.
TO those candidates, I say please consider that there
are many who only follow the Main List. Your active
participation on the Main List is critical for some of
us to get to know you, that is, if you want votes.
Again, I thank all those who are running and those who
have worked hard in actively participating in their
elected and appointed positions.
I offer a special thanks to my Pater, Marcus Octavius
Germanicus, who has offered so much time, work and
love of Nova Roma as his sacrifice of service to our
micronation.
Valete,
Maximina Octavia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] sound social judgment |
| From: |
"Sybil Leek" <PrimaRituliaNocta@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 08 Dec 2001 20:05:32 -0800 |
|
Salve Omnes,
I apologize now for the length of this post, however I feel it is a
necessary reminder in the interest of sound social judgment concerning the
actions and intent of Nova Roman citizens in general. I would like to
address the ideas of moderation on the list and right action in the eyes of
Nova Roma’s constitution and the rules of conduct listed for this mailing
list. If any of my interpretations are incorrect please inform me so that I
might better know our laws and rules’ purposes as a citizen of NR.
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html (please refer to this
web address for the complete constitution of Nova Roma)
CONSTITUTION (of Nova Roma)
I. Constitutional Basis
…..
B. Legal precedence. This Constitution shall be the highest legal authority
within Nova Roma, apart from edicts issued by a legally appointed dictator.
It shall thereafter be followed in legal authority by edicta issued by
consuls acting under the Senatus consultum ultima, laws properly voted and
passed by one of the comitia, decreta passed by the collegium pontificum,
decreta passed by the collegium augurium, Senatus consulta, and magisterial
edicta (in order of descending authority as described in section IV of this
Constitution), in that order. Should a lower authority conflict with a
higher authority, the higher authority shall take precedence. Should a law
passed by one comitia contradict one passed by another or the same comitia
without explicitly superceding that law, the most recent law shall take
precedence.
II. Citizens and Gentes
…..
B. …. The following rights of the citizens shall be guaranteed, but this
enumeration shall not be taken to exclude other rights that citizens may
possess:
Does the above appendix refer to preexisting rights guaranteed a citizen of
another country? Or does it only guarantee rights within NR? If it
guaranties preexisting rights of the individual in their country of origin,
then NR cannot remove those rights when the person becomes a citizen of NR..
…..
4. The right to participate in all public forums and discussions, and the
right to reasonably expect such forums to be supported by the State. Such
communications, regardless of their content, may not be restricted by the
State, except where they represent an imminent and clear danger to the
Republic. Such officially sponsored forums may be expected to be reasonably
moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility;
Has anyone on this mailing list endangered the sanctity of NR, its legal
possessions, or rights as a nation? If so, this would imply a social
conflict pertaining to allegiance and the individual would be considered a
constitutional danger to NR. The idea of reasonable moderation on this list
according to the above appendix pertains to order and civility only. As
such, it guaranties that any individual can speak freely on this list unless
they are using damaging language or disorderly conduct, to further their own
interests, or their actions disrupt the nation as a whole.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaroma/files/NovaRomaList.txt (please refer
to this address for the complete set of NovaRoma mailing list rules)
GUIDELINES FOR THE NOVA ROMA MAILING LIST
Curatrix Sermonem (List moderator)
This list is for you, and I see my role as trying to facilitate a place
where we can all share information and get to know one another. These
guidelines are open to change, and to your suggestions. Today the list has
more than 350 people on it. As we've grown, we have had to adjust the way we
communicate so as to make electronic "room" for everyone. This set of
guidelines represents another effort in that direction. It is not a response
to any one person or posting.
III. If you must criticize another's post, consider doing so in private
e-mail. If the person has made a genuine error, this allows him or her to
save face and apologize for misbehavior or correct misinformation, rather
than having misdeeds pointed out publicly.
IV. It is entirely appropriate to disagree publicly with another's stated
views, or with the actions of Nova Roma's Senate, magistrates and other
officials. Nova Roma is an organization of individuals from a wide variety
of nations, religions, backgrounds and political viewpoints, and it is only
reasonable that our views should differ.
V. When expressing disagreement, the following steps are recommended:
* Express respect for the person and faith in his or her good intentions.
* Point out any themes or ideas with which you do agree.
* Express your own opinion pleasantly, with respect for the rights of others
to believe differently from you. On the Internet, strong language does not
enhance the effectiveness of your communication. It simply makes you look
strident and overbearing.
* Offer factual information where possible, backed up with sources. Quiet
statements of fact win respect from others following your conversation.
* Offer sources of factual information (books, web links, etc.) that might
be of interest to others interested in the topic.
* Use humor when appropriate (i.e. when it helps lighten the tone of a
discussion without being aimed at other list members)
VIII. Name-calling and personal attacks are inappropriate. Expressions of
disagreement should be confined to criticizing the words or ideas of
another, rather than the person. You are always free to disagree with an
idea, but please do not turn an ideological debate into a personal fight.
IX. During the time leading up to elections (held each December, and
occasionally at other times if offices become vacant), this list is also one
of the public forums through which candidates express their views and
present their qualifications to the populace. All of the above strictures
governing appropriate behavior remain in place and apply to all candidates
and their supporters.
XII. The topic of this list is ancient Rome and Nova Roma. Off-topic
postings include:
* Personal attacks of any kind. Be mindful to keep disagreements on the
issues and not on personalities.
XIII. The best postings include those which help us better understand some
aspect of Roman history, or which offer ideas and energy to the furtherance
of Nova Roma's goals. On-topic postings include, but are not limited to:
* Anything that has the effect of building community among list members
(announcements of local events, planning get-togethers, sharing occasional
personal milestones).
XIV. The Curatrix Sermonem has imperium to govern this list, but prefers to
encourage positive interaction rather than punish negative behavior. In the
case of a poster whose actions violate these guidelines or otherwise disrupt
the peace, the Curatrix Sermonem will choose from the following list of
escalating actions:
i. General note to the list, not directed at anyone personally, but
mentioning the behavior in question and suggesting alternate courses of
action.
iii. Placement of the individual on "moderated" status (the individual
remains a member of the list, but all posts must be filtered by the Curatrix
Sermonem).
iv. In extreme cases, the offender can and will be banned from the list.
Further action may be taken by the Senate, but this step represents the
limit of the Curatrix Sermonem's powers.
The vast majority of cases can be dealt with via the first two steps alone,
and it is the Curatrix Sermonem's hope that these guidelines will reduce the
necessity even of those steps.
In the further interest of maintaining order and civility on the list, all
new subscribers (this includes former members who re-subscribe) are
automatically placed on moderated status for their first few posts, after
which they revert to normal "unmoderated" status. As this list has an open
membership, this policy allows us to avoid the occasional "spam" posts and
is intended solely to prevent abuses of the list on a "hit and run" basis.
This policy is not intended as, nor will it ever be used as, a form of
censorship. It is an unfortunately necessary precaution based on past
abuses.
If I am not mistaken, the only time moderation of this list is recommended
is due to a persons repeated use of ill language and disorderly conduct on
the list itself. Moderation is only implemented when repeated attempts at
communication has failed to solve the problem.
The above examples are given to further our general understanding and
responsibility to NR as its citizen body.
Vale Prima Ritulia Nocta
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Sound Social Judgement |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 09 Dec 2001 05:18:10 -0000 |
|
Salve Prima:
Thanks for your input and concern, and as a sodalitas list moderator,
and scriba to P. Vedia Serena, Curatrix Sermonis, I would like to
offer some background, and some interpretations of my own.
I would like to refer to your discussion about moderation being
necessary only with repeated counts of bad language, constitutional
infarctions/noninfarctions, etc. as outlined by the list guidelines.
It is interesting how we are challenged with new strategies on the
part of those who would disrupt our forum.
Just to inform you and others who might be interested:
Prior to the notion of moderation of new subscribers, and the impetus
for same, is a couple of incidents of having a person 'subscribe'
under a creative email address, only to post defaming appraisals
regarding an NR civite, or in the case of a sodalitas list, a member
of the Pantheon, to wit, Apollo, and turn around and unsubscribe
within hours, if not minutes.
This happened twice on the mainlist, which is the list in question.
Another post written in Latin was less than virtuous in linguistics,
but was condemning the 'trolls' words and tactics.
Such communication, as described above, is clearly unconstitutional,
in that it is 'dangerous and disruptive'. If people arbitrarily come
to the list for the purpose of defaming the characters of men and
gods.....this, to me, is clearly replicating a danger, and atleast a
disruption to our civites in that they do not feel protected by the
res publica.
It is further, dangerous and disruptive to our res publica to have
morbid communication on our list, which results in a publicly poor
reflection of the moral and virtuous integrity of Nova Roma, ideals
which are clearly pontificated on the website, www.novaroma.org.
As far as the notion of NR's inability to remove or interfere with
our macronationally based rights, I agree with you. This, to me, is
not so constitutionally; our constitution calls for acceptance as
citizens of their respective macronational laws, and within those law
packages (usually!!), are built-in civil rights, varying of course in
variety and thoroughness with each macronation concerned.
Nonetheless, our constitution protects these, in essence, as I read
things.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
Scriba Curatrix Sermonis, P. Vedia Serena
Candidate Praetor Urbanus
NOVA ROMA
Bene Vale
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] FAQ Added to the Censor Handbook |
| From: |
"oppiusflaccus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 09 Dec 2001 07:28:35 -0000 |
|
Salvete Quiritibus;
For those interested, a FAQ has now been added to the Censor
Handbook site in response to some of the feeedback and questions
received. (A 'webmaster link) has also been added.
It is only a small start, but is intended to be a
growing document. (And this time, I'll even attempt
to get the URL correct this time! <g>) The link is:
http://home.earthlink.net/~alexious/faq.htm
Bene valete in Pace Deorum,
-Oppius
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Endorsements |
| From: |
"morosbe2001" <hadescallias@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:25:56 -0000 |
|
Salve Vedia
I'm sorry i didn't knew this that you have done this.
As for a separate political
> list, if you check the archives you will see that I put up a poll
regarding
> just such an idea (having been requested to do so) and the people
> resoundingly denounced the idea. As one of those who voted against
such a
> measure I have to repeat my advice from before: read what interests
you and
> delete the rest, but please do not attempt to dictate to the List
members I do not try to didact the list members what to do but their
must be a certain balance of posts of intrests instead of one intrest
dominates the whole list. Its hard to delete everything that doesn't
intrest me because than i have to delete all incoming mail from this
list. I joined Nova Roma Humanitas in order to learn more about the
Roman history since i can't do this here so i'll leave this group and
to all who don't like: Fuck you, i'm out of this bullshit.
Valete bene
Tiberius Apollonius Callias
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Voting November |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:21:15 +0100 |
|
BlankCaius Puteus Germanicus omnibus salutem!
After consulting the other rogatores on the possibility to give details about the last elections, it was decided to respond in a favorable way to the question of Illustrous Propraetor Caeso Fabius Quintilianus concerning the number of voters. The rogatores counted a total of 303 votes, taking the invalid ones into account too. We have to admit that this was a large turnout, since only a few centuriae had no voters at all.
I personally hope that means that the message of Illustrous Consul Flavius Vedius Germanicus has reached the people and that, even though a new legislation is in place now, the voting process will be the best way to hear all the people's voices!
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] R: Curator Araneum |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:11:52 +0100 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar Marco Octavio Germanico S.P.D.
In the respect for your words ...
> I ask for your vote for a second term as Curator Araneum.
... but is the contio the discussion on the comitia centuriata and the
candidates? I thing I didn't understood it ... So where the contio end? In
the own mailing list? This is the official and main mailing list? .. but
it's not important for me!
> My opponent has spoken of making the site "interactive".
...
> Surely the Album Civium, Calendar and Chat can be considered
> "interactive"!
Your work was wery good, but it's good just for the data base structure.
It's very impressive the grow of the website in the last period and I said
you mustn't leave your work.
But this isn't enough, the website is very chaotic and often your services
(like the voting system) fall. A website with more of 1.000 navigators can't
be like today. We need a real community website where find our romanity!
> My opponent has called NovaRoma.org "a poor site without a pretty
> design". I take strong exception to these words. To begin with,
> the site is filled with useful content, articles on Roman culture
> as well as our own laws and customs and history. It is presented
> in a straightforward yet attractive manner.
What?!! "straightforward yet attractive manner"?! You surfed some Websites
in your life? Sorry, but the lay-out of actual wesite is POOR, old and very
not-stimulating. The texts and the contents are out of the design and with
this lay-out they are illegible. There is a lot of website (of newspaper or
public istitution or information websites for example) have perfect system
of reading and mix a cool design with interesting contents.
> Next, there are the
> additional features which I have described above, added during my
> term of office. I do not believe that any site as feature-rich
> as our own, and one that continues to grow rapidly, can be
> described as "poor" by any stretch of the imagination.
My idea of "poor" is about the design and not about the contents. With a
not-poor lay-out the features could be more interesting and stimulant for
the citizens.
> As for the design, I believe that the most effective designs are
> those that present the content of the site well and do not impede
> navigation.
My videos are setted for different resolutions and in 1024x800 and 800x600
the website is uncomprensible. The homepage start with a too big flags and
to read the most important texts I must scroll all the pages. This is a easy
navigation?
> Visually, the site has improved during my term; I have
> recently changed the background image, reformatted several pages,
> and added attractive banners (with logo and subsection headings)
> to most of them. This work shall continue. The new banners
> and color scheme show how a site can be "pretty" without long
> download times, visual clutter, or confusing impedediments to
> navigation.
This lay-out is enough? In your eighteen months your work on the graphics
was change the background image (not different from the old) and change the
font. There aren't good images, the flag (the most important Nova Roman
symbol) have an horrible jpeg compression and the photos are too big and
heavy. The few images aren't coinceded with the background and the view is
like a punch in my stomach.
Do you know the theories about the usability of the web? A website mustn't
be heavy by the text and images. I have an Internet connection of 33 Kb/s to
test my sites and Nova Roma isn't navigable, the texts are too long, the
images are too heavy, the structure is too complicated because the lay-out
is not intuitive.
> My opponent speaks of using "Flash" on the Nova Roma site.
No, I didn't this!!! I thing I was unable to make clear my words. A big
website with many users can't be by Flash because Flash animations have
waiting times too long.
>Flash is a tool for animations and games; it is the beloved of large
corporate advertising departments.
What you are? Are you a designer? Because if you are a web designer you must
know Flash in not only for games and animations. I surfed on website of
Public Administrations (like Liverpool or better Bologna), newspapers and
organizations which use Flash for practical features, like maps,
application, demonstrations, interactive services with the navigators. If
you thing Flash are for children or jokes you aren't a web professionist!
> Yet I ask you, when was the
> last time you saw a Flash applet that was actually useful, and
> contributed to the value of the site? Aside from games and
> animated cartoons (which certainly have their place), I can think
> of no examples of a Flash applet that could have not have been
> more effectively and efficiently done with HTML.
Why not? HTML work very good with Flash application. Do you want a little
example? the animated gif of PayPal weighs 14,3 Kb. With Flash this
animation weighs 2 Kb and it's better for beauty and navigability. We can
mix HTML with little Flash application with many advantages for pleasent
design.
> He spoke of
> using "no little" Flash, apparently meaning that this would become
> a major design or navigation element of the site. My friends, please
> reject this idea! It would be a major step away from maximum
> useability to replace simple, compact, useful text or graphics-based
> navigation with a tool that requires client-side installation of
> proprieatary software,
So, you stop the grow of the website for this tools? And what is link
between graphics and client-side tolls ?
> that cannot be run from a text-based browser
> (thus putting the blind at a further disadvantage), is not available
> for all platforms, and requires proprietary software to modify.
This is very wrong!!!! But you know the web? The usability, the navigation
and the compatibility with all the softwares aren't from what you use but
for your skills. If the web master is a good web professionist and able,
each application can be perfect for any platforms, browsers, OS and
connections.
> Flash is a supreme example of frivolity triumphing over substance
> and simplicity; please do not let that happen to our site.
This is your personal and wrong opinion. Flash, but I say mor design, could
help us to understand better our website. I don't surf on novaroma.org
because isn't attractive.
The Marcus Octavius Germanicus' work on the data base is good (not perfect)
and he have my congratulations. But this work is useless if the official
website seem designed by my little brother with FrontPage. All the features
builded and build in future could be more attractive and interesting if
there is a cool lay-out.
Our community is composed by more of 1.000 citizens and it can't have a poor
website. It must to have a real interactive headquarter with services can't
attract more new and old citizens. Don't you thing the partecipation of the
population could grow if we build a better website? My idea is a
novaroma.org like a real headquarter for Nova Romans, the hearth of our
coomunity. If you must search something you must surf easily on the website,
you could have all you want just in your preferred website. Novaroma.org
could became a real glabal centre of culture, society, restoration, policy,
history and informations about Ancient Rome.
The work of Marcus Octavius Germanicus is good but old, I'm askin you to
look the future, to move our coomunity to a avanced step.
In any case I would work with my opponent because he is a good "database
master" (only db ;-).
Valete et bonam fortunam Marco Octavio Germanico!
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Provincia Italia
Paterfamilias Gens Apula
www.gensapula.too.it
----------------------------------------
Alme Sol ... Possis Nihil Urbe Roma Visere Maius
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] tablet weaving by the Romans |
| From: |
"yasminalghazali" <yasminalghazali@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 09 Dec 2001 16:26:43 -0000 |
|
Ave to everybody:
I would like to ask if anybody knows anything about if the Romans
have done tablet (or card-) weaving. That`s a special kind of
handcraft for making very strong bands and belts, from nordic
countries it has been known since bronce age.
In general I am interested how the Romans wove their material, what
kind of looms they used, what the material was made of, how they made
threads etc. Every hint will be wellcome.
Thank you very much
Beata Salicia Saltata
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] R: Curator Araneum |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <from@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:04:11 +0100 |
|
Salve, Francisce Apule Caesar.
First, you speak a lot in rather vague terms, making broad and sweeping
promises as to how the website would be like. The only concrete step
I've seen you suggest is using Flash for doing whatever it is that you
want to do. A prototype made available on some server would have done
your cause a world of good. The only thing I know for certain that
you're capable of is demeaning the effort and all the hard work Marcus
Octavius Germanicus has put into developing the website, as well as
using vague buzzwords to attract voters in the elections.
Secondly, having studied computer science at university level for three
years, including a course on Flash, I have to totally concur with Marcus
Octavius Germanicus in his assessment on the usability of Flash. Apart
from economical and ideological difficulties many may have with Flash as
a commercial product, it is just the easy way out for those who want
flashy graphics and don't care to learn the mechanics of more advanced
and flexible systems.
Thirdly, I resent the aggressive way in which you attack the words and
deeds of Marcus Octavius Germanicus, a senator of Nova Roma with
countless hours spent on the betterment of our nation. Since I realise
at least some of this may stem from your lack of familiarity with the
english language, I suggest you either have someone proofread what you
submit, or abstain from debating altogether.
Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
--
"Qui desiderat bellum, praeparet bellum." - Vetinari
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] tablet weaving by the Romans |
| From: |
asseri@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:25:02 EST |
|
Salvete,
I have several links that does a fair amount of cross over on the
subject of textiles. The ones I refer to are as follows. Some of these are
older and may be dead . If you should run into that please let me know off
line.
I also suggest using the Nova Roma main web site to various useful
links as well in the reenactment sections, has been very useful in the past
as well.
Valete
Prima Fabia Drusila
<A HREF="http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing.html">Roman Clothing, Part I</A>
<A HREF="http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing2.html">Roman Clothing, Part II</A>
<A HREF="http://www.unc.edu/courses/rometech/public/content/survival/clothing.html">Ancient Roman Transport</A> (it really about clothing)
<A HREF="http://www.stoa.org/diotima/">Diotima: Women & Gender in the Ancient World</A>
<A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/retro/crafts/">larp-anna's</A>
links in general .
I don't think any knowledge is useless. I t just has to wait sometimes
before it can be used is all.
<A HREF="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook09.html">Internet Ancient History Sourcebook: Rome</A>
<A HREF="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook09.html">Internet Ancient History Sourcebook: Rome</A>
<A HREF="http://www.bahnhof.se/~chimbis/tocb/recipes/index2.html">The Olde Cookery Book</A>
<A HREF="http://www.gti.net/mocolib1/kid/food.html">The Food Timeline</A>
<A HREF="http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/index.html">Biblioteca Arcana</A>
<A HREF="http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/roma/rbgames.html">Roman Board Games</A>
<A HREF="http://www.realm-of-shade.com/RomanaeAntiquae">Romanae Antiquae</A>
<A HREF="http://www.lamp.ac.uk/~davidnoy/rome.htm">Rome</A>
<A HREF="http://search.aol.com/redirect.adp?appname=QBP&query=%08%fb%8c%7d%70%be%69%bc%ce%12%97%d7%fd%38%3f%b5%8a%42%e9%e8%e5%b3%e1%be%48%ca%ca%df%9f%63%cf%24%7f%b5%42%e7%85%dd%b3%3c%2d%c0%62%bb%c7%8b%27%21%84%fe%98%8b%7c%e2%03%b7%84%88%fd%d0%c0%2d%4d%7f%a4%85%e2%41%cc%c0%a9%c1%1e%dd%e0%46%0b%fe%6f%0d%89%f8%47%9d%f9%d5%b2%93%6e%d5%da%74%f4%80%26%53%51%6b%15%c9%df%8e%92%dc%d5%2f%20%a6%56%76%1b%53%c3%1d%4d%72%c8%87%76%e6">An Old-Fashioned Solstice</A>
<A HREF="http://www.dl.ket.org/latinlit/links/index.htm">DL-Latin Lit Class-Related Links</A>
<A HREF="http://www.costumes.org/pages/romanlnx.htm">Ancient Roman Links</A>
<A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/romans/activities.html">BBC Education - The Romans</A>
<A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/webguide/servlet/start">BBC Online - WebGuide</A> (various subject both modern and ancient try the
histroy section.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] R: Curator Araneum |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:53:27 -0600 (CST) |
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Salve Francisce Apule,
> ... but is the contio the discussion on the comitia centuriata and the
> candidates? I thing I didn't understood it ... So where the contio end? In
> the own mailing list? This is the official and main mailing list? .. but
> it's not important for me!
We can keep debating right up to the end of the election! Of course,
as time goes by, it becomes pointless to do so, as more people have
voted already.
> Your work was wery good, but it's good just for the data base structure.
I think most who have used it would say that the programming and the
user interfaces were of high quality as well.
> It's very impressive the grow of the website in the last period and I said
> you mustn't leave your work.
Thank you. Regardless of who is Curator, I will keep on improving my
programs on the site. And, regardless of who is Curator, I will invite
you to improve the design.
> But this isn't enough, the website is very chaotic and often your services
> (like the voting system) fall.
There have been a few quirks with the voting, always because of simultaneous
access to the sequence number generation. I think I have finally fixed
that yesterday; the second person to vote encountered a problem, which
I immediately fixed, and it has been absolutely smooth since then.
There have been about 80 votes in each Comitia since then (perhaps half
that in the C. Pleb. T.) without any incidents.
> We need a real community website where find our romanity!
We have that. We have a site with personal profile pages, an interactive
calendar and chat system, a message board (hosted offsite, but I intend
to eventually replace it). That is a community site; your dislike of
the layout does not make it any less so.
> What?!! "straightforward yet attractive manner"?! You surfed some Websites
> in your life?
Yes, I have; enough so to be able to form an opinion of them. The Nova
Roma site layout isn't perfect, but it's reasonably good.
> Sorry, but the lay-out of actual wesite is POOR, old and very
> not-stimulating.
Right now, it's biggest failing is the lack of section headers on most
pages, and the placement of the home and top-of-section links at the bottom;
I've fixed this on several pages (the ones with the new headers) and will
continue to do so.
> There is a lot of website (of newspaper or
> public istitution or information websites for example) have perfect system
> of reading and mix a cool design with interesting contents.
And there are plenty of sites that are unuseable with any browser but
a certain one from the northwest US, tricked out with all the latest
proprietary content-type handlers. A site that focus on text content,
with a simple navigation scheme, is readable by absolutely anything,
including Lynx and screen-readers for the blind.
> My videos are setted for different resolutions and in 1024x800 and 800x600
> the website is uncomprensible. The homepage start with a too big flags and
> to read the most important texts I must scroll all the pages. This is a easy
> navigation?
Pressing the Page-Down key once is easy, yes. I find the large flag
(and the new text-graphics that accompany it) to be a visually striking
design. It is stark and bold; like the Romans themselves!
The table of contents below is easily accessible. I do plan to
reorganize the links within - make top level sections of Religion,
Politics, the Roman Way, etc., and move most of the others under
them as second-level headings.
> This lay-out is enough? In your eighteen months your work on the graphics
> was change the background image (not different from the old) and change the
> font.
In my eighteen months I built the Album Civium, Calendar, Chat, updated
the Tabularium and Macellum; built Censor's tools, a Century point
calculator, the voting area... etcetera. Perhaps two percent of my
time was spent working on the visual layout of the site. This will
increase in the future, now that most of the important stuff is out
of the way. (Some of those projects, like the century point calculator,
had deadlines that could not be missed, regardless of whatever else
I'd rather be working on).
> There aren't good images, the flag (the most important Nova Roman
> symbol) have an horrible jpeg compression and the photos are too big and
> heavy.
The flag has always been like that, long before I had any access
to the site. I do not have the original and therefore cannot improve
on it. (Perhaps downloading, resizing, and saving would fix it;
I'll try that).
> The few images aren't coinceded with the background
I don't know what you mean by this.
> and the view is like a punch in my stomach.
You must suffer a lot of those daily then; there are many, many sites
that look far worse than ours.
> Do you know the theories about the usability of the web? A website mustn't
> be heavy by the text and images.
Text is content. If a site is not heavy with text, then there's nothing
there. People come to the site to read the text.
As for the images, we have very few image-heavy pages - the Senate and
Magistrates pages, the Gallery/Pinacotheca, the Reenactment sections
are the only ones.
> I have an Internet connection of 33 Kb/s to test my sites and
> Nova Roma isn't navigable,
I'd like to hear from some habitual users of slow connections - what
do our AOL and WebTV users think of this issue?
> the texts are too long,
Truncating the text would mean removing content, and without content
there's no point in having a site at all.
> > My opponent speaks of using "Flash" on the Nova Roma site.
>
> No, I didn't this!!!
I apologize then, I misunderstood you.
> A big website with many users can't be by Flash because Flash
> animations have waiting times too long.
I completely agree; and it's a proprietary extension, not available
for all platforms, completely useless in a text-based environment.
> >Flash is a tool for animations and games; it is the beloved of large
> corporate advertising departments.
>
> What you are? Are you a designer?
I am a programmer.
> Because if you are a web designer you must know Flash in not only for
> games and animations.
The vast majority of applications of Flash are frivolous.
> I surfed on website of
> Public Administrations (like Liverpool or better Bologna), newspapers and
> organizations which use Flash for practical features, like maps,
> application, demonstrations, interactive services with the navigators.
An interactive map of Rome would be nice. For us, though, there doesn't
seem to be a place for those other applications.
> If you thing Flash are for children or jokes you aren't a web professionist!
My clients would disagree with you; they pay me to build useful and
functional sites, not sites full of Flash frivolities.
Graphic designers are not the only web professionals; there are
programmers and sysadmins here too.
> Why not? HTML work very good with Flash application. Do you want a little
> example? the animated gif of PayPal weighs 14,3 Kb.
That is a good example, and I would not object to using it for such
small things.
> So, you stop the grow of the website for this tools?
The website will grow by adding content and functionality, using
the standard client-side tools, HTML and images, in order to allow
access by everyone, regardless of their choice of software.
.
> Our community is composed by more of 1.000 citizens and it can't have a poor
> website. It must to have a real interactive headquarter with services can't
> attract more new and old citizens.
Yes, and as I have demonstrated, I have been building a "real interactive"
site for the past year and a half. I have provided "real interactive"
features like chat and calendar, not animations and frippery.
> In any case I would work with my opponent because he is a good "database
> master" (only db ;-).
Thank you; and I will ask you for design advice next year (only design).
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Curator Araneum et Senator, Nova Roma
Candidate for Consul MMDCCLV
http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/consul
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Bona Dea |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:00:40 -0500 |
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I offer rites to Bona Dea along with all such Goddesses, but my (private) rites aren't especially Roman. More Romano-Celt.
Vale,
Helena Galeria
----- Original Message -----
From: antoniuscorvusseptimius@--------
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:40 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Bona Dea
The Roman earth and fertility goddess who was worshipped exclusevly by
women. Do we have anyone who has offered rites to her?
Dii te ament, A. Corvus Septimius
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Censorial Nota |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:49:58 -0800 |
|
Avete Omnes,
We, the Censores of Nova Roma, do hereby declare a Nota against Citizen
Tiberius Apollonius Callias, also known as Sokarus. We have discussed
recent messages to this list by Tiberius Apollonius Callias and have
come to the conclusion that a Nota is warranted. The reasons we, the
Censors take this action was due to gross disrespect to several elected
magistrates of Nova Roma; abuse of the Nova Roma email list; failure to
act in accordance to the Roman Virtues; conduct unbecoming of a Nova
Roman. In accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma, the Censors
are vested with powers to maintain the public virtue of the citizens of
Nova Roma.
In accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma (IV.A.1.F.), the
Censors hereby declare that Tiberius Apollonius Callias's right to vote
has been revoked. His vote in this election is hereby invalidated by
the Censors of Nova Roma.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
Censors of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] R: Curator Araneum |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:50:14 -0500 |
|
Salve,
>Franciscus Apulus Caesar at sacro_barese_impero@-------- wrote:
>
> What?!! "straightforward yet attractive manner"?! You surfed some Websites
> in your life? Sorry, but the lay-out of actual wesite is POOR, old and very
> not-stimulating. The texts and the contents are out of the design and with
> this lay-out they are illegible. There is a lot of website (of newspaper or
> public istitution or information websites for example) have perfect system
> of reading and mix a cool design with interesting contents.
Being heavily involved in web design at work I have to admit that Franciscus
Apulus Caesar is correct here. NovaRoma.org excels in everything but "look".
Now this is not a very big deal because "look" is not necessary. Although,
if we wanted to improve something, I would look into this. To put it
plainly, Marcus Octavius Germanicus is wrong when he says for an attractive
layout to be developed we must sacrifice ease of use. At my work my clients
receive a site with superior navigation, layout, and at the same time is
attractive to the eye. To get the perfect blend is one of the most
challenging aspects of designing websites. Sometimes I must go through three
or four designs before I find this prefect mix. It is possible, and in the
comming years I hope that we will see this implemented.
>
>> Next, there are the
>> additional features which I have described above, added during my
>> term of office. I do not believe that any site as feature-rich
>> as our own, and one that continues to grow rapidly, can be
>> described as "poor" by any stretch of the imagination.
>
> My idea of "poor" is about the design and not about the contents. With a
> not-poor lay-out the features could be more interesting and stimulant for
> the citizens.
Basically, the way I see it is that the campaign run by Franciscus Apulus
Caesar is completely based on "looks". I see this as a flaw. Again the mix
needs to be balanced. I am worried that Franciscus Apulus Caesar will
concentrate on looks while forgetting the other elements that are more vital
to a good site.
>
>> Visually, the site has improved during my term; I have
>> recently changed the background image, reformatted several pages,
>> and added attractive banners (with logo and subsection headings)
>> to most of them. This work shall continue. The new banners
>> and color scheme show how a site can be "pretty" without long
>> download times, visual clutter, or confusing impedediments to
>> navigation.
True also, but still *much* more could be done. Instead of just text, more
quick loading images could be included. Making it more pleasing to read. A
fact I learned is that with small images are incorporated into a long text
the user is more likely to read the whole thing. It's not so much a flood of
words on the screen. I could go on and on... but I am not running for this
spot so it would be unnecessary. I will save it for future discussions on
this topic. =)
>
>> Flash is a tool for animations and games; it is the beloved of large
> corporate advertising departments.
>
> What you are? Are you a designer? Because if you are a web designer you must
> know Flash in not only for games and animations. I surfed on website of
> Public Administrations (like Liverpool or better Bologna), newspapers and
> organizations which use Flash for practical features, like maps,
> application, demonstrations, interactive services with the navigators. If
> you thing Flash are for children or jokes you aren't a web professionist!
Both candidates are right and wrong here. I am strongly against flash when
it is over used. There is a place and time for flash. A site cannot be
dependent on flash. This means that a site should still be completely
functional if a user does not have it installed on there computer. I would
be cautious when Franciscus Apulus Caesar talks of using it for anything but
games. If he incorporates it into our navigation we will become flash
dependent. This is a very, very, bad thing...
> Why not? HTML work very good with Flash application. Do you want a little
> example? the animated gif of PayPal weighs 14,3 Kb. With Flash this
> animation weighs 2 Kb and it's better for beauty and navigability. We can
> mix HTML with little Flash application with many advantages for pleasent
> design.
I would not be worried about loading times. It's the amount of users that
don't have flash. It will cut our visitors in half if we become completely
flash orientated. Flash will become more useful in the comming years as more
people accept the program. Until then I would stay away from flash
navigation etc.
>I don't surf on novaroma.org
> because isn't attractive.
Well, that is a little hasty is it not? Doesn't look good, so you don't look
at it? You are missing a ton of useful information.
>
> The Marcus Octavius Germanicus' work on the data base is good (not perfect)
> and he have my congratulations. But this work is useless if the official
> website seem designed by my little brother with FrontPage. All the features
> builded and build in future could be more attractive and interesting if
> there is a cool lay-out.
Here we go again, the "look". Franciscus Apulus Caesar we have talked
privately about your campaign. You should understand what I am trying to
stay. You are an excellent web designer. Your work is impressive. Although
you must offer more than "looks" to the populace if you want to be elected.
> Our community is composed by more of 1.000 citizens and it can't have a poor
> website. It must to have a real interactive headquarter with services can't
> attract more new and old citizens.
I would not call our site poor. It has more content then most sites have.
Although you are right when you say a better looking site would attract more
citizens. We would appear more serious to new comers, if we had a "spiffy"
site.
>If you must search something you must surf easily on the website,
> you could have all you want just in your preferred website.
How would you do this? You speak without giving details! We need to know
what *exactly* you plan on doing.
> Novaroma.org
> could became a real glabal centre of culture, society, restoration, policy,
> history and informations about Ancient Rome.
I believe NovaRoma.org is already this. A new "look" would not change
anything in this field.
> The work of Marcus Octavius Germanicus is good but old, I'm askin you to
> look the future, to move our coomunity to a avanced step.
You mean, his work is good and functional. His idea of "look" is basic. You
are asking us to vote for you on only one aspect of a website, the "look".
You could advance us in our "look", but I am not sure if you could do much
more than that...
Vale,
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Please visit my campaign website at:
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm
Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Nota |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 09 Dec 2001 15:03:44 -0500 |
|
Salve Lucius Cornelius,
Thank you! Tiberius Apollonius represents the type of person who does not
disserve to be part of this community. He proved by his incompetence in his
posts that he was unable to handle the responsibility of voting. I am very
happy to see the interests of Nova Roma being protected by this declaration
of Nota against Tiberius Apollonius. That last post by him was just
pointless garbage... He also should be censored in order to protect the
atmosphere of this list. He treats the main list like the Back Alley, and
obeys none of the rules stated monthly on this list.
Vale,
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Please visit my campaign website at:
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm
Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix at alexious@-------- wrote:
>
> We, the Censores of Nova Roma, do hereby declare a Nota against Citizen
> Tiberius Apollonius Callias, also known as Sokarus. We have discussed
> recent messages to this list by Tiberius Apollonius Callias and have
> come to the conclusion that a Nota is warranted. The reasons we, the
> Censors take this action was due to gross disrespect to several elected
> magistrates of Nova Roma; abuse of the Nova Roma email list; failure to
> act in accordance to the Roman Virtues; conduct unbecoming of a Nova
> Roman. In accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma, the Censors
> are vested with powers to maintain the public virtue of the citizens of
> Nova Roma.
>
> In accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma (IV.A.1.F.), the
> Censors hereby declare that Tiberius Apollonius Callias's right to vote
> has been revoked. His vote in this election is hereby invalidated by
> the Censors of Nova Roma.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
> Censors of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Censorial Nota |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:33:04 -0500 |
|
Salve,
>>He also should be censored in order to protect the atmosphere of this
list. He treats the main list like the Back Alley, and obeys none of the
rules stated monthly on this list.
Amulius Claudius Petrus>>
While I will not go into specifics, please rest assured that he will no
longer abuse the members of this List. Appropriate action has been taken to
preserve this List as a civil and courteous Forum.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonis
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Sound Social Judgement |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
09 Dec 2001 18:31:00 -0200 |
|
On Sun, 2001-12-09 at 03:18, pompeia_cornelia wrote:
> Salve Prima:
>
> Thanks for your input and concern, and as a sodalitas list moderator,
> and scriba to P. Vedia Serena, Curatrix Sermonis, I would like to
> offer some background, and some interpretations of my own.
>
> I would like to refer to your discussion about moderation being
> necessary only with repeated counts of bad language, constitutional
> infarctions/noninfarctions, etc. as outlined by the list guidelines.
>
> It is interesting how we are challenged with new strategies on the
> part of those who would disrupt our forum.
>
> Just to inform you and others who might be interested:
>
> Prior to the notion of moderation of new subscribers, and the impetus
> for same, is a couple of incidents of having a person 'subscribe'
> under a creative email address, only to post defaming appraisals
> regarding an NR civite, or in the case of a sodalitas list, a member
> of the Pantheon, to wit, Apollo, and turn around and unsubscribe
> within hours, if not minutes.
>
> This happened twice on the mainlist, which is the list in question.
> Another post written in Latin was less than virtuous in linguistics,
> but was condemning the 'trolls' words and tactics.
>
> Such communication, as described above, is clearly unconstitutional,
> in that it is 'dangerous and disruptive'. If people arbitrarily come
> to the list for the purpose of defaming the characters of men and
> gods.....this, to me, is clearly replicating a danger, and atleast a
> disruption to our civites in that they do not feel protected by the
> res publica.
>
My position on this: non-citizens should be moderated, since they are
not liable to our juridicional system. Citizens should not be previously
censored. Clearly the "trolls" enter in the non-citizen category, we
agree on their treatment.
Manius Villius Limitanus
> It is further, dangerous and disruptive to our res publica to have
> morbid communication on our list, which results in a publicly poor
> reflection of the moral and virtuous integrity of Nova Roma, ideals
> which are clearly pontificated on the website, www.novaroma.org.
>
> As far as the notion of NR's inability to remove or interfere with
> our macronationally based rights, I agree with you. This, to me, is
> not so constitutionally; our constitution calls for acceptance as
> citizens of their respective macronational laws, and within those law
> packages (usually!!), are built-in civil rights, varying of course in
> variety and thoroughness with each macronation concerned.
> Nonetheless, our constitution protects these, in essence, as I read
> things.
>
> Bene vale,
>
> Pompeia Cornelia
> Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
> Scriba Curatrix Sermonis, P. Vedia Serena
> Candidate Praetor Urbanus
> NOVA ROMA
>
> Bene Vale
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] R: Curator Araneum |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
09 Dec 2001 18:39:29 -0200 |
|
On Sun, 2001-12-09 at 15:04, Kristoffer From wrote:
> Salve, Francisce Apule Caesar.
>
> First, you speak a lot in rather vague terms, making broad and sweeping
> promises as to how the website would be like. The only concrete step
> I've seen you suggest is using Flash for doing whatever it is that you
> want to do. A prototype made available on some server would have done
> your cause a world of good. The only thing I know for certain that
> you're capable of is demeaning the effort and all the hard work Marcus
> Octavius Germanicus has put into developing the website, as well as
> using vague buzzwords to attract voters in the elections.
>
And Flash is not usuable in every browser. I must say I am quite happy
to be able to access the web-site with my lynx (sometimes links) ,
without entering any GUI. This would be lost with Flash.
Manius Villius Limitanus
> Secondly, having studied computer science at university level for three
> years, including a course on Flash, I have to totally concur with Marcus
> Octavius Germanicus in his assessment on the usability of Flash. Apart
> from economical and ideological difficulties many may have with Flash as
> a commercial product, it is just the easy way out for those who want
> flashy graphics and don't care to learn the mechanics of more advanced
> and flexible systems.
>
> Thirdly, I resent the aggressive way in which you attack the words and
> deeds of Marcus Octavius Germanicus, a senator of Nova Roma with
> countless hours spent on the betterment of our nation. Since I realise
> at least some of this may stem from your lack of familiarity with the
> english language, I suggest you either have someone proofread what you
> submit, or abstain from debating altogether.
>
> Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Sound Social Judgement |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:51:19 -0500 |
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Salve,
>>My position on this: non-citizens should be moderated, since they are not
liable to our juridicional system.>>
Unfortunately, the fact that our cives oftentimes subscribe under more than
one name (a work account and a personal account, for example), makes such a
task impractical. It would require that the Curatrix know, upon simply
seeing an e-mail address, the status of a person as citizen or non citizen.
The notion of where those whose citizenship is pending would fall further
confuses things.
>>Citizens should not be previously censored. Clearly the "trolls" enter in
the non-citizen category, we agree on their treatment.>>
I am afraid I must correct you. With the exception of two attempts at Spam
(both commercial advertisements), every incidence of "trolling" has been
undertaken by our very own citizens. I, of course, will not name names, but
let me assure you that the reason for this policy was the poor behavior of a
small minority of our very own, not the actions of outsiders. I will say I
am sorry that was the case, but that is the truth of the matter.
You'll be happy to know that ever since I instituted the moderation of all
new members the number of "troll" attempts has dropped to almost nothing.
What *was* becoming a serious problem is now little more than an occasional
annoyance that never reaches our List members.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonis
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Sound Social Judgement |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
09 Dec 2001 19:08:50 -0200 |
|
On Sun, 2001-12-09 at 18:51, JusticeCMO wrote:
> Salve,
>
> >>My position on this: non-citizens should be moderated, since they are not
> liable to our juridicional system.>>
>
> Unfortunately, the fact that our cives oftentimes subscribe under more than
> one name (a work account and a personal account, for example), makes such a
> task impractical. It would require that the Curatrix know, upon simply
> seeing an e-mail address, the status of a person as citizen or non citizen.
Yes, meaning ones e-mail(s) should be registered with the censors, in a
db. The curator being able to check against the db, through a passwd
secured web-interface wich only answers citizen or not.
It is not technically difficult do write this from the existing
database.
> The notion of where those whose citizenship is pending would fall further
> confuses things.
>
Non-citizens until accepted. (Srill less censorship as the actual
system)
> >>Citizens should not be previously censored. Clearly the "trolls" enter in
> the non-citizen category, we agree on their treatment.>>
>
> I am afraid I must correct you. With the exception of two attempts at Spam
> (both commercial advertisements), every incidence of "trolling" has been
> undertaken by our very own citizens. I, of course, will not name names, but
> let me assure you that the reason for this policy was the poor behavior of a
> small minority of our very own, not the actions of outsiders. I will say I
> am sorry that was the case, but that is the truth of the matter.
>
I know that they were in fact citizens, but since they don t want to
make them recognized as the citizens they are they automatically enter
the non-citizen category.
> You'll be happy to know that ever since I instituted the moderation of all
> new members the number of "troll" attempts has dropped to almost nothing.
> What *was* becoming a serious problem is now little more than an occasional
> annoyance that never reaches our List members.
>
And that is why I intend to maintain an "anti-troll" device, along the
lines described above.
Vale
Manius Villius Limitanus
Candidate to curator sermonis
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Some Praise |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 9 Dec 2001 08:35:28 +0100 |
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Salve, O Fortunate,
I thank you very much for your praise, and hope to live up to your
expectations, and those of anyone else who voted for me, or endorsed me in
one way or another.
Vale bene!
S. Apollonius Draco
<< PETITOR AEDILIS PLEBIS >>
"The Eyes of Truth are always watching you."
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Nota |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:53:12 +0100 |
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>Avete Omnes,
>
>We, the Censores of Nova Roma, do hereby declare a Nota against Citizen
>Tiberius Apollonius Callias, also known as Sokarus. We have discussed
>recent messages to this list by Tiberius Apollonius Callias and have
>come to the conclusion that a Nota is warranted. The reasons we, the
>Censors take this action was due to gross disrespect to several elected
>magistrates of Nova Roma; abuse of the Nova Roma email list; failure to
>act in accordance to the Roman Virtues; conduct unbecoming of a Nova
>Roman. In accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma, the Censors
>are vested with powers to maintain the public virtue of the citizens of
>Nova Roma.
>
>In accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma (IV.A.1.F.), the
>Censors hereby declare that Tiberius Apollonius Callias's right to vote
>has been revoked. His vote in this election is hereby invalidated by
>the Censors of Nova Roma.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
>Censors of Nova Roma
Salvete Censor Illustrus Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix et CensorIllustrus
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus et Salvete Quirites!
It is sad when it come to this. This young man have behaved like he was 6
years old instead of 19. I know many 17 - 20 year olds, but no one so
immature as Tiberius Apollonius Callias.
I hope that his friends now can advice him so that he will be able to learn
and at last come back to public life. This will not be an easy thing. His
Dignitas is scattered and his Auctoritas nowhere to be seen. Sad story! But
if he comes back with dignity and humbly apologizs, his Dignitas will
slowly start to recover. His regaining of the little Auctoritas he had will
take more time, though.
I hope that others will learn from this. Even Nova Roma, tolerant as it is,
will re-act at last!
You, the Censores have my full support in this sad story!
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
CANDIDATE FOR CURULE AEDILE 2755
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Nota |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:11:42 -0500 |
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Salve,
Good, his foolishness should have no place on the forum. It's cases like
this one that I am glad to have you as Curatrix Sermonis.
Vale,
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Please visit my campaign website at:
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm
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www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
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>JusticeCMO at justicecmo@-------- wrote:
>
> While I will not go into specifics, please rest assured that he will no
> longer abuse the members of this List. Appropriate action has been taken to
> preserve this List as a civil and courteous Forum.
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