| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Disclosure - T Labienus Fortunatus |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:11:42 -0800 |
|
Avete Quintus Cornelius et al,
Senator T. Labienus has friends there. They might not be my friends or even acquaintances. But they are his friends and none of us have the right to dictate friendships on anyone else. To do so would be the height of tyranny. I would never ever consider to impose such measures on members of the Gens Cornelia, nor would I support any measure imposed on any other citizen.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Loughlin
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Disclosure - T Labienus Fortunatus
Ave
Well since I'm so immature and cannot take
responsibility for my own words well isn't it mature
of you to patrinize my literacy...I never said I never
said those words...what I said was by his own words he
linked himself with the SVR and hence associated
himself with the orgnaization.
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
--- Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Michael Loughlin wrote:
>
> > He associated himself with the SVR not I
> > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
>
> Perhaps you have a reading comprehension problem.
>
> Titus Labienus is NOT a member of the SVR.
>
> You have repeatedly used the phrase "your
> constitution"
> when speaking to him, in reference to the SVR's
> Regula
> Fundamentalis.
>
> That is incorrect and completely unjustifiable, as
> is
> your attempt (above) to weasel out of taking
> responsibility
> for your words.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus
> Curator Araneum et Senator, Nova Roma
> Senior Consul-Elect, MMDCCLV (2002)
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Ain't Life Wonderful!? |
| From: |
"otto_von_sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:14:40 -0000 |
|
Isn't it nice how we all get along here? I like being able to retreat
to a world that has no hate and is working to perfect itself, with no
diputes over small matters. After all, we wouldn't want to be like
American politicians now would we? I'm glad we can forget all our
differences and stop arguing with each other, especially at this
particular time of year. Christian or not, the spirit of love for
one's fellow man is in the air. (and if nothing else, those lights sure
are purdy) It's nice to be part of something that makes me feel
important without making me feel like a politician.
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
A Cornelian and proud of it!
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Thank you very much my friends. |
| From: |
"luciuspompeius" <danielovi@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:16:36 -0000 |
|
Thank you very much Rufus Iulius Palaeologus, Titus Horatius Atticus
and Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator.
I appreciate very much your very kind messages. Your words make feel
better. I´m sure my countrymen will appreciate them too.
Habeatis fotunam optimam
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Thank you very much my friends. |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 22 Dec 2001 02:35:13 -0000 |
|
---
Salve Luci Pompei:
I read the evening paper tonight, and the troubles in your country
have indeed "come to a head". I am so sorry; and I join Veni,
Rufe et Tite in saying that I am thinking about you all and that you
are in my prayers.
I hope for better days for you, and quickly.
Pompeia Cornelia
In novaroma@--------, "luciuspompeius" <danielovi@--------> wrote:
> Thank you very much Rufus Iulius Palaeologus, Titus Horatius Atticus
> and Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator.
> I appreciate very much your very kind messages. Your words make feel
> better. I´m sure my countrymen will appreciate them too.
> Habeatis fotunam optimam
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Tribune's Partial Absence: Dec 24-30 |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 22 Dec 2001 02:37:25 -0000 |
|
---
Salvete Honoured Tribunus T. Labienus et Pontifex Antonius Gryllus
Graecus:
I wish you both a meaningful visit with your families, and safe
travel.
Thank you both for all you do!
Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia
In novaroma@--------, labienus@t... wrote:
> Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Fortunatus Quiritibus SPD
>
> I will be visiting relatives from a d IX Kal Ian (Dec. 24) until a d
III Kal
> Ian (Dec. 30). During that time, I will have relatively limited
access to my e-
> mail, and will therefore be somewhat difficult to contact.
>
> If you need my services as a tribunus plebis during that time,
please
> write "URGENT" or the like in all caps in the subject line of any
message to me
> in order to ensure that your request stands out from the usual
deluge of e-mail
> that I receive.
>
> Valete
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Disclosure - T Labienus Fortunatus |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:25:50 -0800 (PST) |
|
Ave,
I was not dictating a solemn thing to anyone. I
was simply responding to other cives who stated that I
said something that I never said. It may have come
across as being that but I never said so and so is a
"member" of the SVR or that they held membership with
the organization. Then there was another cive who
decided to question my literacy. Frankly I don't see
the need for such patronization. If insults are the
case then maybe those who want to respond to posts and
call people on being illiterate or saying one thing
when they never did oughtta READ what that person
actuals writes in words and quote them rather than put
it in the own words which could be far from the truth
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
--- "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
wrote:
> Avete Quintus Cornelius et al,
>
> Senator T. Labienus has friends there. They might
> not be my friends or even acquaintances. But they
> are his friends and none of us have the right to
> dictate friendships on anyone else. To do so would
> be the height of tyranny. I would never ever
> consider to impose such measures on members of the
> Gens Cornelia, nor would I support any measure
> imposed on any other citizen.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Loughlin
> To: novaroma@--------
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Disclosure - T Labienus
> Fortunatus
>
>
> Ave
> Well since I'm so immature and cannot take
> responsibility for my own words well isn't it
> mature
> of you to patrinize my literacy...I never said I
> never
> said those words...what I said was by his own
> words he
> linked himself with the SVR and hence associated
> himself with the orgnaization.
> Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> --- Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Michael Loughlin wrote:
> >
> > > He associated himself with the SVR not I
> > > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> >
> > Perhaps you have a reading comprehension
> problem.
> >
> > Titus Labienus is NOT a member of the SVR.
> >
> > You have repeatedly used the phrase "your
> > constitution"
> > when speaking to him, in reference to the SVR's
> > Regula
> > Fundamentalis.
> >
> > That is incorrect and completely unjustifiable,
> as
> > is
> > your attempt (above) to weasel out of taking
> > responsibility
> > for your words.
> >
> > --
> > Marcus Octavius Germanicus
> > Curator Araneum et Senator, Nova Roma
> > Senior Consul-Elect, MMDCCLV (2002)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Thank you very much my friends. |
| From: |
"radams36" <radams40@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:31:32 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "luciuspompeius" <danielovi@--------> wrote:
> Thank you very much Rufus Iulius Palaeologus, Titus Horatius
Atticus
> and Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator.
> I appreciate very much your very kind messages. Your words make
feel
> better. I´m sure my countrymen will appreciate them too.
> Habeatis fotunam optimam
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
You're more than welcome, Amice, I'll be hoping for the best for you
and your countrymen - I know little about them, but hopefully, the
new leadership will be able to restore safety and security to you all.
Ave!
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Thank you very much my friends. |
| From: |
"radams36" <radams40@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:03:34 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "radams36" <radams40@j...> wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, "luciuspompeius" <danielovi@--------> wrote:
> > Thank you very much Rufus Iulius Palaeologus, Titus Horatius
> Atticus
> > and Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator.
> > I appreciate very much your very kind messages. Your words make
> feel
> > better. I´m sure my countrymen will appreciate them too.
> > Habeatis fotunam optimam
> > Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
> You're more than welcome, Amice, I'll be hoping for the best for
you
> and your countrymen - I know little about them, but hopefully, the
> new leadership will be able to restore safety and security to you
all.
>
> Ave!
>
> Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
I should clarify the above vague pronoun reference - I know little
about the new leadership taking over in Argentina. Here's hoping they
can get the job done for the Argentine people!
Vale,
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Disclosure - T Labienus Fortunatus |
| From: |
"mariuscorneliusscipio" <nramos@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 22 Dec 2001 08:28:34 -0000 |
|
Salve Frater,
Could you please contact me privately?
I'd like to talk to you about something...
I'm at olordumare @home.com
Marius Cornelius Scipio
--- In novaroma@--------, Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> wrote:
> Ave,
> I was not dictating a solemn thing to anyone. I
> was simply responding to other cives who stated that I
> said something that I never said. It may have come
> across as being that but I never said so and so is a
> "member" of the SVR or that they held membership with
> the organization. Then there was another cive who
> decided to question my literacy. Frankly I don't see
> the need for such patronization. If insults are the
> case then maybe those who want to respond to posts and
> call people on being illiterate or saying one thing
> when they never did oughtta READ what that person
> actuals writes in words and quote them rather than put
> it in the own words which could be far from the truth
> Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> --- "L. Corn--------s Sulla" <al--------us@-------->
> wrote:
> > Avete Quintus Cornelius et al,
> >
> > Senator T. Labienus has friends there. They might
> > not be my friends or even acquaintances. But they
> > are his friends and none of us have the right to
> > dictate friendships on anyone else. To do so would
> > be the height of tyranny. I would never ever
> > consider to impose such measures on members of the
> > Gens Cornelia, nor would I support any measure
> > imposed on any other citizen.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Loughlin
> > To: novaroma@--------
> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 3:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] Disclosure - T Labienus
> > Fortunatus
> >
> >
> > Ave
> > Well since I'm so immature and cannot take
> > responsibility for my own words well isn't it
> > mature
> > of you to patrinize my literacy...I never said I
> > never
> > said those words...what I said was by his own
> > words he
> > linked himself with the SVR and hence associated
> > himself with the orgnaization.
> > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> > --- Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<hu---------------->
> > wrote:
> > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Michael Loughlin wrote:
> > >
> > > > He associated himself with the SVR not I
> > > > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> > >
> > > Perhaps you have a reading comprehension
> > problem.
> > >
> > > Titus Labienus is NOT a member of the SVR.
> > >
> > > You have repeatedly used the phrase "your
> > > constitution"
> > > when speaking to him, in reference to the SVR's
> > > Regula
> > > Fundamentalis.
> > >
> > > That is incorrect and completely unjustifiable,
> > as
> > > is
> > > your attempt (above) to weasel out of taking
> > > responsibility
> > > for your words.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marcus Octavius Germanicus
> > > Curator Araneum et Senator, Nova Roma
> > > Senior Consul-Elect, MMDCCLV (2002)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Voting Results: Comitia Plebis Tributa |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 22 Dec 2001 03:53:24 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Marce Armini.
--- M Arminius Maior <marminius@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites
>
> > In the race for tribunus plebis:
> > Cnaeus Salix Astur - XXXII tribus (32 tribes)
> > Marcus Arminius Maior - XXVII tribus (27 tribes)
>
> Marcus Arminius: I want to compliment Gnaeus Salix in
> their victory, and thank to the people for electing
> myself Tribunus.
As we both were elected, I guess we both won, so I congratulate *you*
as well :-).
I look forward to work with you during our common term of office.
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Lictor Curiatus.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ELECTION RESULTS |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <from@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:10:37 +0100 |
|
Maximina Octavia wrote:
> I would just like to take a moment to publicly
> congratulate you on being elected.
>
> I wish you much future success and I am looking
> forward to seeing you advance your career in NR
> politics.
Salve, Maximina Octavia, sister.
Thank you very much for your heartfelt congratulations, they more or
less made my day. I hope I will be able to live up to your expectations,
and I will do my best not to let you down.
Vale, Titus Octavius Pius. (Oh, okie...li'l bro' then. ;) )
--
"Qui desiderat bellum, praeparet bellum." - Vetinari
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Resignation |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:01:14 +0100 |
|
Salvete Quirites,
Quite unexpectedly perhaps, I offer you my resignation, in what will probably be my last e-mail to the main list of NR. In relinquishing my citizenship of Nova Roma, I also resign from any and all offices I hold, be they provincial, central or of some other importance to this micronation. I also waive my nine days period of reconsideration, and would like my resignation to become effective immediately.
In a similar fashion to my earlier - and consequently aborted - attempt at resigning at the end of May this year, I will offer you my reasons, although a little more elaborate, perhaps. Note also that below paragraph contains general remarks, and do not refer to _everyone_ as such, or to someone _specifical_.
Nova Roma was inspired by noble and great ideals. I have a lot of respect for the research and work that has been done in the area of the Religio Romana and the Sodalitas Militarium, which deserves some praise. However, there is very little interest here in philosophy, literature, poetry or the arts in general. I have ceaselessly tried to promote those facets of Roman civilisation ever since I assumed the office of leader of the Sodalitas Musarum, but to no avail. In a distant future, this situation may improve, but I cannot wait forever, toiling away in darkness. Another disappointing facet of Nova Roma is its latinity. While there are some excellent latinists, and a group of people is actively trying to learn the language, for most of the time Latin here is gruesome, and corrections are regarded as pedantic.
The disproportional role politics play in Nova Roma also show that most active people are more concerned with the organisation itself than with actually making it reach its goal. I will not elaborate on the whys, hows and whos of that. Most of the time, politics here are heavy factionalised, driven by emotions or naked opportunism rather than ideals, and show a strong leaning to the conservative side of the political spectrum. Laws have been created that bear a silent testimony of this regime. Ever since I became politically active, I have tried to revert this tendency, and have been met with serious opposition, sometimes honest and serious, sometimes mean and vicious. I am not entirely innocent myself, of course. However, looking back at this one and a half year, and the countless emails I have written, the progress I have been making is too slow for what it is worth.
And now, there is the case of my involvement in Societas Via Romana. Over there, as well as here, I am under fire by a small yet fervent minority, that views me as a threat or a hostile element. I realise that if I stay here, I will remain under fire for my membership in SVR forever, which may have - and is having - bad consequences for that organisation. My citizenship in Nova Roma is becoming unhealthy for me: headaches, sleeplessness and other nasty things plague me from time to time. I don't want to appear like a martyr for any cause whatsoever, but the negative sides of my involvement in NR are simply becoming too overwhelming.
In this fourth paragraph, an apology is in its place. I apologise to the people that voted for me, and that I in some way let down, but I did not want to be an oath breaker. I apologise for abruptly interrupting, when the Mars novel had almost come to an end, and when I was due to attend a meeting in Germania Inferior. I also apologise to those who are still fightning to revert some injust legislation and steer Nova Roma back on course of its original goals; you might feel that I am leaving you behind. In a sense, I am, but in another way, you are well aware that there is another Roman community out there, although different in purpose, that you would probably feel more at ease in. But in short, I feel that right now, before I would be required to swear my oath of office as Aedilis Plebis, is the most appropriate time to resign, and forever disappear out of Nova Roma.
As I did last time, I would like to say a few words of thanks to some people. Without those people, I would have been gone here much earlier. Inspiring examples of Romanitas for me were people such as Titus Labienus, Marcus Octavius, Alexander Probus, Pompeia Cornelia, Caeso Fabius, Domna Claudia, Gnaeus Salix and Marcus Minucius. Other praiseworthy people, like Caius Flavius, Marcus Arminius, Iasonus Serenus, Lucius Pompeius, Caius Puteus and Ianus Querius spring to mind. And there are probably a lot that I have failed to mention. To those, whom I consider my friends, I wish them good luck in their further life in this micronation, and regardless of affiliation, will continue to consider them friends.
In contrast to my speech last time, I would also like to make to some time to address a few words to my opponents. To Quintus Fabius, all I can say is that he was a worthy poliitcal opponent, and I enjoyed talking to him on several occasions. Same goes for Lucius Sicinius, in spite of all our differences. You might feel some justified relief that I have departed from NR. A special word, perhaps, would go to Lucius Cornelius. While you have done some outstanding work as Censor, and are no doubt a caring paterfamilias, this is overshadowed by your arrogance, pride and bureaucratism. If about all people who have todate resigned named your name in their public statement as a reason of resigning, and you continue to deny that there is anything wrong, you are delusionary. There are also countless smaller fish, who have an immaturity of character that is unparallelled even by the majority of my peers, and I don't consider it worth mentioning their names. They will reveal themselves by ridiculing me when I am gone, by twisting my words and abusing my name, like vultures tear at the corpse of an animal they did not kill themselves.
On a more positive note, I leave you with the hope that Nova Roma shall become what it was intended to, and I will peacefully retreat to Societas Via Romana. To my friends, I hope that we will be able to maintain cordial ties, and to my former opponents, I hope all of you will improve for the better and have a happy life.
Valete bene,
Sextus Apollonius Draco
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Resignation |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Dec 2001 00:29:49 +0100 |
|
>Salvete Quirites,
>
>
>
>Quite unexpectedly perhaps, I offer you my resignation, in what will
>probably be my last e-mail to the main list of
Salve Draco!
You gave up, this I can forgive, but never admire! There is nothing more to
say than, goodbye my collegue who-never-was!
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
soon to be Senior Curule Aedile of Nova Roma
still Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
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