| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 1772 also introduction |
| From: |
"Theresa Irwin" <twright56@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:21:51 -0500 |
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May I introduce myself? I am Alexandria Augusta, a 22 yo classics major in
the southern United States. I am interested in poltics, and the humanities
and hope I can be a productive citizen of Nova Roma.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] checks and balances |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
23 Dec 2001 22:28:03 -0200 |
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On Sun, 2001-12-23 at 12:38, mike rasschaert wrote:
>
> Salve Caius
> Explain to me than how this system work for Nova Roma
> and during the ancient times? Because i don't know
> anything or heard anything about it about the checks
> and balances during the roman empire.
Salve,
during the roman empire, the check and balance was between the army, the
senate and the Emperor representing the people through his Tribunis
Potestas (poder of the tribune of the plebs).
But here we mimic the Republic not the Empire
Vale,
Manius Villius Limitanus
> Valete optimi pax deorum
> Tiberius Apollonius Callias
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Introduction |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:27:28 EST |
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Theresa Irwin writes:
May I introduce myself? I am Alexandria Augusta, a 22 yo classics major in
the southern United States. I am interested in poltics, and the humanities
and hope I can be a productive citizen of Nova Roma.
Salve,
Great to hear from you, and welcome to Nova Roma! You're just catching our
usual 'end of year craziness' with elections just finishing and the new
magistrates not yet sworn in for the next year... but if you can bear with us
for a few days I expect you'll have fun.
No doubt you can be a productive member of Nova Roma. The best place to start
looking into ways to get involved is right on the main page of the Nova Roma
website; the section titled "Information for New Citizens."
If you should have any questions on anything, feel free to speak up on the
list. Glad to have you among us! :)
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Graeco Roman religion |
| From: |
"cassius622" <cassius622@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:07:15 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, mike rasschaert <morosbe2001@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites
> I have a question since the official point of view on
> the Gods is that they are not the Greek/Hellenic Gods
> and visa versa. But when i looked at the album gentium
> i see that many of the gens do worship the gods like
> this like Bacchus-Dionysus, Hekate, etc..
Cassius respondit:
Both forms of viewing and worshipping the Gods existed in the ancient
world. As a 'general rule' the deities of the various Provinciae were
often paired with local gods and goddesses, while in Rome the state
Religio Romana tended to hold to more traditional Roman ideals.
You'll see both present in Nova Roma.
> I have no problem with it but Formusanus told me once
> that he was denied application for priesthood because
> he saw Minerva as the Roman aspect of Athena.
> I have no problem with this. I do worship them the
> same way but i find it perculiar.
Cassius respondit:
There was a brief question on this, but I don't believe this was the
reason Formosanus's application was denied. I was one of two pontiffs
to vote *for* Formosanus. The rest simply voted "No" or abstained
completely without comment.
If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that Formosanus fractious personal
history simply didn't do him much good in this instance. There may
well have been a fear that he would bring to the Religio what he
tended to bring to Nova Roma politics... angry debate and a tendency
to set people against one another.
(Disclaimer: I answer this because it was directly asked - not from
any desire to attack Formosanus as an individual. Also, the above is
simply my personal opinion which may well be wrong... I voted FOR
Formosanus, but others simply wouldn't discuss the issue.)
> Another thing that i find perculiar is some gods were
> worshiped under different names like for example Mars
> Ulter and Mars Invictus. Can anyone tell me the
> difference between those dieties besides that sprung
> from one deity.
Cassius respondit:
There were a few reasons for this. Sometimes this was a standard
synthesis of a Roman deity with a provincial one. Other times it was
simply a local tribal version of the same deity being 'set apart'
from others by a different title.
The varying degrees of difference between these deites can be a
little difficult to explain, and sometimes even to understand today.
As an example, you could have a Latin tribe, and Etruscan tribe, and
a Roman community all worshipping "Mars" within a two day ride from
each other. Yet each community might feel that THEIR version of Mars
was somewhat different than the others. Adding another title was a
way to show that it was a 'different aspect' of that deity.
This sort of adaptation tended to work well in the ancient world. It
preserved the local bond between a community and a deity, yet also
allowed different communities to "share" the overall worship of a
deity. This helped not only to bring the various populations within
Roman communities together, but also helped to form a bond between
Rome and the various Provinciae.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Druids Movie |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:04:02 -0800 |
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Ave,
I just rented a movie called Druids it is about Vercingetorix and the
Gaulic rebellion during the time Iulius Caesar was conquering Gaul. Has
anyone heard or seen this movie? Is it good?
It stars Christopher Lambert (from Highalnder).
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Druids Movie |
| From: |
"gaius_minucius_hadrianus" <shinjikun@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:12:31 -0000 |
|
Salve,
Funny you should mention it - I saw it on the shelf in the video
store just a few days ago myself and wondered the same thing...
please let me know how it turns out!
Vale,
C. Minucius Hadrianus
--- In novaroma@--------, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@e...>
wrote:
> Ave,
>
> I just rented a movie called Druids it is about Vercingetorix and
the
> Gaulic rebellion during the time Iulius Caesar was conquering
Gaul. Has
> anyone heard or seen this movie? Is it good?
>
> It stars Christopher Lambert (from Highalnder).
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:15:00 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, censor Sulla.
--- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> I just rented a movie called Druids it is about Vercingetorix and the
> Gaulic rebellion during the time Iulius Caesar was conquering Gaul.
> Has
> anyone heard or seen this movie? Is it good?
Since you have already rented it, I can just wish you good luck with it
:-).
I saw it, and I thought it sucked. Christopher Lambert is a terrible
actor, and my compatriot Inés Sastre should dedicate herself to other
venues, for art's sake.
Other actors are not so bad. The one playing Caesar is pretty good, as
well as the one who plays the archdruid of Gaul.
The script is particularly terrible, and the customs need no comment. I
hope you like it, though :-).
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Lictor Curiatus.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Spirit of the Season and Politics |
| From: |
"otto_von_sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:29:26 -0000 |
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I fully agree with you. Though it is hard to break with a tradition,
but politics and the holiday season seem like they would be oil and
water. It is hard to spread love and happiness at the same time you
are trying to make your compitition for office look bad.
Now if only we could have a kinder, gentler form of politics. :-) Oh
well, can't have our cake and eat it to I suppose. :-)
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
Blunt to a fault
--- In novaroma@--------, "pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@h...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I have discussed this issue, unofficially with a couple of people, and
> a magistrate.
>
> Although politics is bound to dominate the forum during the time of
> the election, I wonder sometimes, if we do not make a profound error
> in our timing.
>
> When our politicals take a front seat over one of the most important
> socio/religio times of the year, one wonders if this shouldn't be more
> closely examined.
>
> It is historically correct that Consuls take office January 1st . I
> am all for this continuing, in keeping with the practise of the
> ancients.
>
> However.........
>
> Would I would like to see in future is our magisterial elections held
> the last week of November, so any runoff elections would hopefully
> have been held prior to the Dec. 17 onset of the Festival of
> Saturnalia.
>
> Saturnalia and Politics are a poor combo.......an *odd couple*.
> Political debates can get heated (acidic) sometimes, and this is to be
> expected with delicate political issues. No problem. Lets just do
> most of our *mudslinging* prior to Saturnalia, nonne?
>
> Oh, we will always have politics in the forum, regardless of what
> religious holidays prevail, but this is a time of year where we should
> be celebrating each other as members of a community rich with talent,
> virtue and blessing, and diversity.
>
> We should be sending each other cards, reflecting on our Saturnalia
> plans and traditions. Sharing poems, stories, humours. We should be
> celebrating *Saturnalia*, during December, not *reenacting the riots
> during the grain doles of Saturninus*......
>
> What are your thoughts, quirites?
>
> Pompeia Cornelia
> Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
> Candidate Praetor 2755 AUC
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Correction of mistake |
| From: |
"Theresa Irwin" <twright56@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:12:41 -0500 |
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Pardon my mistake. That name I used is a name I created for Caesar 3. I have put in an application for citizenship as Alexandria Iulia Agrippa.
Alexandria
ICQ# 25205373
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Thank you very much my friends. |
| From: |
"luciuspompeius" <danielovi@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 04:05:04 -0000 |
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Salve Rufe Iuli Palaeologe
Thank you. Let´s have hope. It´s the only thing nobody can take it
away from us.
Vale bene and have a wonderful hollydays
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
--- In novaroma@--------, "radams36" <radams40@j...> wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, "radams36" <radams40@j...> wrote:
> > --- In novaroma@--------, "luciuspompeius" <danielovi@--------> wrote:
> > > Thank you very much Rufus Iulius Palaeologus, Titus Horatius
> > Atticus
> > > and Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator.
> > > I appreciate very much your very kind messages. Your words make
> > feel
> > > better. I´m sure my countrymen will appreciate them too.
> > > Habeatis fotunam optimam
> > > Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> >
> > You're more than welcome, Amice, I'll be hoping for the best for
> you
> > and your countrymen - I know little about them, but hopefully,
the
> > new leadership will be able to restore safety and security to you
> all.
> >
> > Ave!
> >
> > Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
>
> I should clarify the above vague pronoun reference - I know little
> about the new leadership taking over in Argentina. Here's hoping
they
> can get the job done for the Argentine people!
>
> Vale,
>
> Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] A great dream I had |
| From: |
"otto_von_sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 04:11:09 -0000 |
|
OK, it was a daydream, but that's not the point! :-)
In only two decades, Nova Roma has not only made a major land purchase
in the macronational US state of Georgia (because of the temperate
weather and cheap land bought from a relative of a loyal citizen), but
it has managed to reproduce most of the buildings historically
important to Old Rome.
We enter Nova Roma through the main gate in Nova Roma's city wall,
which has a bird of prey with its wings outstreached perched above it.
The letters S P Q R can be seen clearly carved under the bird of prey.
Our tour starts with a full size reproduction of the Colosseum. Modern
lavatories, drinking fountains and food vendors have been effectively
blended with the rest of the classical structure. While the food
vendors are still a bit out of place, they keep the tourists from
getting hungry while they watch mock gladiator battles fought on the
areana floor. Real tigers are even lent from a local zoo to help add a
sense of danger, even though the reinactors are perfectly safe. During
the summer, the Colosseum is actually filled to its full capacity of
50,000, which helps the Nova Roman government keep the taxes on its
more than 20,000 worldwide citizens to a minimum.
Another tourist draw is the mock battles fought by reinactment Legions
just outside of Nova Roma's walls. When they aren't pretending to save
Nova Roma from barbarians, Nova Roma's Legions like to show off to the
tourists with parades and drills located in the main plaza, for while
no legion could enter the capitol of Old Rome, they are more than
welcome within the walls of New Rome.
Legionares also give tours of the recreated Forum Romanum, a
functioning government building where the main Senatorial meetings take
place and the Comitia Contiriata meet, either in person or via the
internet, to cast votes on whatever lex or issue that needs their
attention. Modern features have been effectivly blended in with what
looks like a historical building. Oddly, even the computers in the
internet conference room don't look out of place.
Priests give tours of a recreated Pantheon, which is faithful to the
original, save for lighting to add to the aestetics of the interior and
a small restroom and a drinking fountain located in a corner of the
entryway. In this new Pantheon, the priests explain to tourists the
Religo Romana, as well as discuss the Virtues of Rome, upon which Nova
Roma was founded.
Anywhere within the walls of Nova Roma, one can get a feel for how the
old Roman Republic was like, and how it might be if Rome had never
fallen. Nova Roma has succeeded and surpassed in its goals as it
continues to grow as a soveign nation.
Can't make it to Georgia to visit the Cultural Capitol? Not a problem!
Within every province of Nova Roma world wide, there is an outpost that
also funtions as both an embassy and a provintial government center.
Each outpost is like a mini cultural capitol, with all the necessary
items it needs to carry out the mission of Nova Roma as laid out in the
Nova Roman Constitution. Speaking of the Constitution, a decade ago
Nova Romans decided to amend the provision that limited Nova Roma to
108 acres, as the Cultural Capitol then being constructed already met
that limit. All of Nova Roma's provintial outposts were made to be
excluded from that size limit, making Nova Roma accessable to the whole
world.
(note: These last couple of paragraphs might be taken the wrong way.
I don't mean to say Nova Roma WILL experience these troubles, I fear
that it MIGHT and mean to say that Nova Roma will still endure. I
apologize in advance if anyone takes offence to anything in this post.)
While the world at first was unsure what to think at the time Nova Roma
declared its sovereignty as a nation, it soon grew to accept Nova Roma.
The Cultural Capital is protected militarily by the United States and
all of the outposts are protected by the respective macronations that
they are located in, for Nova Roma has declared itself pacifist and has
no real military of its own. Nova Roma's Legions only function outside
of recreating the Legions of Old Rome is as a security force to protect
its citizens and property from vandalism and other small crimes.
Nova Roma may be great in its soveriegnty, but it first had to overcome
a pesamistic world. When Nova Roma first declared itself a nation, the
United States and every other world nation at first suspected some kind
of a rebelion, until it realized Nova Roma had only peaceful
intentions. Certain religious organizations (I won't name names, but
I'm certain you all have a good idea which radical organizations would
oppose a nation that has a pagan state religion) opposed Nova Roma, and
several hate crimes were commited against its citizens and property,
despite protection from other macronations. Still, New Rome endured
and became great, great enough to live up to Old Rome.
Well, there you have it, my vision of how the future of Nova Roma will
be. Hope you all like it.
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Thank you very much my friends. |
| From: |
"luciuspompeius" <danielovi@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 04:17:28 -0000 |
|
Salve mi optima amica Pompeia:
Thanks a lot Po! I appreciate very much your message and it makes me
feel much better, the same way their kind messages did it.
Finally I put the provincial webpage temporarily in black for two
days in memory of those who died.
Vale bene
Amicus tuus Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
--- In novaroma@--------, "pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@h...> wrote:
> ---
>
>
> Salve Luci Pompei:
>
> I read the evening paper tonight, and the troubles in your country
> have indeed "come to a head". I am so sorry; and I join Veni,
> Rufe et Tite in saying that I am thinking about you all and that
you
> are in my prayers.
>
> I hope for better days for you, and quickly.
>
> Pompeia Cornelia
>
> In novaroma@--------, "luciuspompeius" <danielovi@--------> wrote:
> > Thank you very much Rufus Iulius Palaeologus, Titus Horatius
Atticus
> > and Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator.
> > I appreciate very much your very kind messages. Your words make
feel
> > better. I´m sure my countrymen will appreciate them too.
> > Habeatis fotunam optimam
> > Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] checks and balances - long |
| From: |
QFabiusMaxmi@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:20:17 EST |
|
Salvete
The Roman government went through several changes during the Republic when it
came to checks and balances.
In the fourth cent. BC leges (laws) were passed limiting service in the
higher magistrate offices to make sure that one faction, or one Familia could
not hold total power.
The cursus honorum (Quaestor, Praetor, Consul) was considered the way the
aspiring politician should go, this would give him on the job training, for
his ultimate goal the consulship. This was a long process since a lex said
one cannot be consul until the 42nd year of his life.
Membership in the Senate was automatic once a person was elected Quaestor, 25
years old being the average age. However, most names we have in the histories
were already in the Senate at election due to their senatorial fathers'
influence. The quaestors maintained a close relationship with the Consul
they were assigned to. Cicero in Planc. indicates it was almost a father to
son like relationship.
To protect the people from tyranny, the Tribunate was instituted, probably in
the 500s.
These magistrates were elected by the plebeian families of Rome, the idea
being that for the most part the higher offices were under the influence of
the Patricians, these magistrates could protect the plebeians from patrician
excesses by use of the intercessio, which was good against any magistrate's
edict, law, could overturn illegal elections and nullify the senate
consultum. (SC).
At first these were not Senators but by the first cent. BCE they were allowed
entrance to the Senate.
The last check is the assembly, comitia Unlike the US, the Senate was not a
legislative body, rather a consulting body to help the Consuls make
decisions. Yet all these decisions except fiances had to be approved by the
people of Rome, hence the abbreviation SPQR, The Senate and the People of
Rome.
SC could become laws, but only if the comitia agreed to make it so.
The Principate.
Historically the emperor became the people's protector, by being given the
Tribuneship upon ascending the Curule chair. In turn the people gave up the
right to comitia, trusting the emperor to look out from them. The emperor
used the army as his means to keep enemies of Rome including the Senate, at
bay. This worked as long you had a benevolent emperor.
A bad one had no check to reign him in. That is why traditionally opposition
came from the Senate, who assumed the position of the peoples' protector when
needed. This is also why the life expectancy of a senator was rather limited
during a bad emperors' reign.
The difference between old Rome and new is several.
Our Senate is allowed to pick the magistrates of the provinces. The reason
for this, was in old Rome, the Consuls would receive their choice of
provinces from the senate, and Provincial Praetors - the Principate term -
governors, were all members of the Senate when they received their
appointment. This is not the case in NR. In fact we tend to give out
Praetorships to people the demonstrate a desire and ability to organize the
province according to NR standards. The Senate also takes them away if the
provincial praetor fails to accomplish the mission, he set out to do.
The Provincial Praetorship is important in NR. It allows the Senate to see
if the Praetor has organizational skills and leadership ability and rewards
outstanding Praetors with Senate seats, if they catch the Censors' eye. It
is also a way to enter micronational politics here at NR, since successful
Praetors can run for the consulship.
Tribunes here in NR, are charged with the duty of making sure that a
magistrate does not overstep his constitutional bounds. If he issues a lex
or edict which the Tribune believes violates the NR constitution, he can
issue an intercessio against it, killing it. The Tribunes can each over rule
another, allowing one Tribune to pass intercessio against another's
intercessio, so a single Tribune cannot paralyze NR. Tribunes can issue
intercessio against SCs but again as a check, the senate can overturn the
intercessio provided 2/3rds of the Senate agrees to do so.
So to sum up, Consul can issue laws or edicts after consulting with the
Senate.
For an edict to become a permanent law (lex) it has to approved by the
comitia of the people.
for a lex to take effect it has to be approved by the people.
Tribunes protect Rome by keeping watch over the edicts and laws issued by
magistrates.
If they feel that a lex or edict is not in keeping with the constitution, or
is a danger to the people's well being, a tribune may kill it by declaring an
intercessio against it.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Merry hollydays and a better new year |
| From: |
"luciuspompeius" <danielovi@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 04:28:15 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes.
I wish you all merry hollydays. And be all safe. I hope next year be
a better one, and everybody be safe and healthy and have the
affection of their beloved. I think affection is one of the most
important and essential aspects of human life.
Vale bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Resignation of Sextus Apollonius |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:59:12 -0500 |
|
Salvete cives et amici,
I must say I am disappointed to see Sextus Apollonius leave. He had some
interesting views. We have suffered a loss. Although, I do respect his
reasons for choosing to resign, and it's a shame he feels the way he does.
I was looking forward to working with him as an Aedile. His timing to resign
could of not be worse... To elect a new Aedile to take his place will be a
disruption I would of liked to have avoided. I do hope his Nova Roma friends
will be able to sway his opinion, for he can return and do his duty he was
elected for.
Valete,
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Aedile Curule Elect
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] New Academia Thule text on virtues |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:56:06 -0500 |
|
Salve Caius Cornelius Puteanus,
>Caius Cornelius Puteanus at puteus@-------- wrote:
>
> I have had a productive weekend; here's one result of it, a new text about
> the life of Agricola by Tacitus. Enjoy!
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Caius_Puteus_Germanicus/virtus2.html
Excellent work Caius Cornelius! I also took the time to look into a few
other essays you have written on philosophy. I am impressed, you have a nice
little collection there on your provincial website. Like always I enjoy the
quality of your work. If you are willing, I would like to discuss the
possibility of a job for you in the new year. I will send you an email with
more details as soon as I can.
Vale,
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Aedile Curule Elect
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 03:06:30 -0500 |
|
Salve Lucius Cornelius,
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix at alexious@-------- wrote:
>
> I just rented a movie called Druids it is about Vercingetorix and the
> Gaulic rebellion during the time Iulius Caesar was conquering Gaul. Has
> anyone heard or seen this movie? Is it good?
Horrible. I rented this movie earlier this month and was greatly
disappointed. It's all a fantasy version of Caesar and his conquests. Not
very entertaining also...
Vale,
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
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Aedile Curule Elect
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:02:44 -0800 |
|
LOL I agree..I saw about 35 min and turned it off..Prima Cornelia
Pulchra asked me if this was on the USA network as they showed
Attilia....which was just as bad...Such a disappointment.
Vale,
Sulla
Amulius Claudius Petrus wrote:
>
> Salve Lucius Cornelius,
>
> >Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix at alexious@-------- wrote:
> >
> > I just rented a movie called Druids it is about Vercingetorix and
> the
> > Gaulic rebellion during the time Iulius Caesar was conquering Gaul.
> Has
> > anyone heard or seen this movie? Is it good?
>
> Horrible. I rented this movie earlier this month and was greatly
> disappointed. It's all a fantasy version of Caesar and his conquests.
> Not
> very entertaining also...
>
> Vale,
>
> "Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
> "Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of
> virtues"
>
> --
> Amulius Claudius Petrus
> Aedile Curule Elect
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> Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
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>
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>
> Gens Claudia Website:
> www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] New Academia Thule text on virtues |
| From: |
"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:13:41 +0100 |
|
Ave Amulie Claudie Petre!
Glad you enjoyed the texts, I hope others will to. Just for the record, I
put them on my personal site, just to make sure people won't look for it in
the wrong place ;-)
I thank you for the kind words & am looking forward to receiving your word!
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Cornelius Puteanus
Lictor
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/puteanus/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amulius Claudius Petrus" <pkkt@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] New Academia Thule text on virtues
>
> Salve Caius Cornelius Puteanus,
>
> >Caius Cornelius Puteanus at puteus@-------- wrote:
>
> >
> > I have had a productive weekend; here's one result of it, a new text
about
> > the life of Agricola by Tacitus. Enjoy!
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/Caius_Puteus_Germanicus/virtus2.html
>
> Excellent work Caius Cornelius! I also took the time to look into a few
> other essays you have written on philosophy. I am impressed, you have a
nice
> little collection there on your provincial website. Like always I enjoy
the
> quality of your work. If you are willing, I would like to discuss the
> possibility of a job for you in the new year. I will send you an email
with
> more details as soon as I can.
>
> Vale,
>
> "Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
> "Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of
virtues"
>
> --
> Amulius Claudius Petrus
> Aedile Curule Elect
> Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
> Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
> Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
> Canada Orientalis Provincia
>
> Canada Orientalis Website:
> www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
>
> Gens Claudia Website:
> www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] A great dream I had |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 03:34:41 -0500 |
|
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius at otto_von_sitter@-------- wrote:
> OK, it was a daydream, but that's not the point! :-)
>
> In only two decades, Nova Roma has not only made a major land purchase
> in the macronational US state of Georgia (because of the temperate
> weather and cheap land bought from a relative of a loyal citizen), but
> it has managed to reproduce most of the buildings historically
> important to Old Rome.
I greatly enjoyed reading your hopes for the future of Nova Roma. I think I
enjoyed it because your dream is so close to my own dream of the future. I
even printed off your post to show to a friend of mine who I am trying to
convince to become a citizen. I believe the majority of people who hold a
passion for ancient Rome have a part of them that would like to see it
recreated today. It¹s just a matter of exposing that part. =) By sharing
your thoughts you are contributing to making this dream a reality. After
all, don't all great things start off as a "silly dream"?
Vale,
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Aedile Curule Elect
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"rapax@--------" <rapax@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:06:09 +0200 |
|
Salvete...
' It is when the Romans stand in real danger that they are most to be
feared,and
this principle applies both to their public and to their private life! '
I'm reading Polybius for the first time and found this sentence as a
wonderful reply
to the question of ' Why Rome was so great? '
What do you think ?
Valete....
Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
Civis Novae Romae
* Sapiens dominabitur astris ! *
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:16:51 +0100 |
|
Ave!
I like Polybius above all other historians. His writing and style is very
comprehensive and to the point. And just Imagine, a former enemy of Rome,
who was captured but honored since he was a magistrate in Greece, who came
to Rome as a prisoner, was released but not allowed to return to his native
soil, met with the most important people of his age, saw the distruction of
Corinthe and Carthage 'live', not as a mere spectator or soldier, but as
some kind of 'journalist'... A person who sings about the greatness of those
who defeated him, who calls the Roman ruling system - with its checks and
balances, thank you illustrous Caeso Fabius Quintilianus - the best that man
has ever seen...
Honorable Sentius Rutilianus, if you feel like discussing this text with me
via NR Humanitas or in private, I am all ears!!!
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Cornelius Puteanus
Lictor
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
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----- Original Message -----
From: <rapax@-------->
To: "novaroma" <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:06 AM
Subject: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
>
>
>
>
> Salvete...
>
> ' It is when the Romans stand in real danger that they are most to be
> feared,and
> this principle applies both to their public and to their private life!
'
>
> I'm reading Polybius for the first time and found this sentence as a
> wonderful reply
> to the question of ' Why Rome was so great? '
> What do you think ?
>
> Valete....
>
>
> Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
> Civis Novae Romae
>
> * Sapiens dominabitur astris ! *
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] checks and balances - long |
| From: |
mike rasschaert <morosbe2001@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:50:20 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve Q. Fabius Maximus
I'm not in on the fuctions and titles of the Roman
society so can you please explain to me what a consul,
praetor, quaestor really are. I don't understand these
words. I think that a consul is like a
minister/secretary,etc..
Vale optimi pax deorum
Tiberius Apollonius Callias
=====
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] checks and balances - long |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:22:19 -0600 (CST) |
|
> I'm not in on the fuctions and titles of the Roman
> society so can you please explain to me what a consul,
> praetor, quaestor really are. I don't understand these
> words. I think that a consul is like a
> minister/secretary,etc..
A consul is like a prime minister or president.
Praetors are like vice-presidents who are also judges.
Quaestors are assistants to the others.
You can see the precise definitions in our Constitution:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Curator Araneum et Senator, Nova Roma
Senior Consul-Elect, MMDCCLV (2002)
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"Rachel" <racheledugdale@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:47:43 -0000 |
|
> Honorable Sentius Rutilianus, if you feel like discussing this text with
me
> via NR Humanitas or in private, I am all ears!!!
In the light of recent discussion on this list, concerning the fact that we
should discuss what we want to see here, I would like to request that
discussion of Polybius is *not* removed from this list to places where I
cannot follow the discussion!
Thank you.
Livia.
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Druids Movie |
| From: |
"Uriel Storm" <uriel@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:36:20 -0800 |
|
Surprisingly, given the centre of focus for this movie, it is surprisingly
good, although not if you're looking for dead-on historical accuracy.
Decia Cornelia
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:43:24 -0800 |
|
Avete Omnes,
No one has requested it to be removed. Please feel free to post anything you would like. Polybius is a very good subject to discuss anywhere.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Rachel
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
> Honorable Sentius Rutilianus, if you feel like discussing this text with
me
> via NR Humanitas or in private, I am all ears!!!
In the light of recent discussion on this list, concerning the fact that we
should discuss what we want to see here, I would like to request that
discussion of Polybius is *not* removed from this list to places where I
cannot follow the discussion!
Thank you.
Livia.
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Revelations |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:58:03 -0800 (PST) |
|
---Ave Marcus Minius Audens,
Wow! Very Impressive credentials. It would be
interesting and enjoyable if everyone would list their
interests and associations on this list.
If we did, we might find that there are others who are
also interested in or have the same associations we
do. I think we would find an exceptional array of
diverse interests within our NR community.
I certainly do not question your loyalty nor have you
ever given me cause to. Your opinions and comments
have not ever appeared counter to the goals or
Constitution of Nova Roma nor have I ever seen you
publicly slander any citizen who works so hard for the
betterment of our nation. Primarily, I see you as
reasonable and virtuous. I wish I could say this was
true of all citizens.
Vale,
Maximina Octavia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: New Citizens and lists... |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:13:11 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve,
IMHO, Any Mater or Pater who has been inactive for a
certain period of time should be declared "dead" and
someone else should take their place.
In my humble view, the inactivity of a Mater or Pater
toward the family is clear abandonment.
There should also be expected cirteria for Maters and
Paters in NR. It is ridiculous to allow someone so
lazy or disinterested in the family to be the head of
it.
Just my humble opinion. I think Amelius Claudius
Petrus should be head of the gens because of his
dedication and active status within NR. He would do a
lot to further the popularity and stability of his
gens and help to stabilize the population of NR.
Vale bene, Maximina
--- pompeia_cornelia <trog99@--------> wrote:
> ---
>
> Salve Amuli Claudi:
>
> This situation troubles me greatly. You, of all
> people are a most
> active member of our nation, yet you are subject to
> loneliness or a
> general lack of comradry within your familia.
>
> Our gens list is moderated as well, but Pater Sulla
> is quite active,
> and is readily approachable. I am sorry that the
> materfamilias of
> your gens is not, and does not leave anyone to
> moderate the list or
> answer gens queries in her absence.
>
> I believe that, in instances like this, where there
> is scant contact
> with the mater/paterfamilias and gens members, you
> should feel morally
> free to leave and seek another gens, if that is what
> you wish.
>
> Although flippant *gens hopping* is frowned upon for
> obvious reasons,
> there is nothing in the constitution prohibiting you
> from seeking
> another gens.
>
> Perhaps when civites seek alternate gens, the
> existing mater/pater
> will reflect on why that is, and perhaps take steps
> to make wrongs
> right with respect to their approach to their
> filiae.
>
>
>
> Pompeia Cornelia
> Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
> Nova Roma
>
> Bene vale,
> Pompeia
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] A Welcoming for new gens member |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:19:54 -0800 (PST) |
|
-Ave and Welcome Titus Ritulus Tranquillus,
Congratulations on becoming a citizen of Nova Roma!
I hope to see you contributing to the Main List and
becoming an active, productive and happy citizen.
It would be great if our new citizens would post a
little about themcselves on the Main List so we can
all get to know them.
Vale bene,
Maximina OCtavia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gens reduction/ideas? |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:28:28 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- Sybil Leek <PrimaRituliaNocta@--------> wrote:
> Salve Omnes,
>
> > Perhaps giving a basic outline of the gens could
> help new perspective
> members make clearer choices. Thereby evening out
> the over all joining
> ratio per family.
>
M.O.: A simple webpage of the gens by the Mater or
Pater or designate outlining their purpose, goals,
house "rules" etc. would be appropriate. I suggested
this long ago.
However, I believe the NR site should contain a page
that make the responsibilities and failure to execute
said responsibilities very clear to the gens head.
Without a level of expectiation, a gens head can
abandon all responsibility to the family and thus
affect the general population of NR adversely.
Just my humble opinion,
Vale bene, Maximina Octavia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: out of connection |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:50:12 -0800 (PST) |
|
> >
> > Ave, Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> > Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
>
> I would like to extend my condolences and prayers
for your safety. It is such a tragedy for any nation
and its citizens to suffer this terrible violence.
I hope for better times for you and your country in
the near future.
Vale,
>
Maximina Octavia>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Merry Meet and Merry Part... |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:08:02 -0500 |
|
Gaia Cassia Fortunata,
May the Goddess awaken in every heart. Merry Meet and Merry Part--and Merry Meet
Again! Goddess Bless - sorry to see you go. Happy Solstice/Saturnalia
Teleri ferch Nyfain (Helena Galeria)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Off topic - Lord of the Rings! :) |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:24:51 -0500 |
|
Salvete,
LOTR -
I spent never mind how much at BK for the stupid plastic figurine ring, went to see the movie opening day in costume (having taken off work) & have seen it twice more (in one day) already.
I'm not obsessed, am I?
Valete,
Helena
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Off topic - Lord of the Rings! :) |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:20:49 -0800 |
|
Ave,
Maybe just a bit obsessed.....but not much! <g>
Vale,
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Teleri ferch Nyfain
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Off topic - Lord of the Rings! :)
Salvete,
LOTR -
I spent never mind how much at BK for the stupid plastic figurine ring, went to see the movie opening day in costume (having taken off work) & have seen it twice more (in one day) already.
I'm not obsessed, am I?
Valete,
Helena
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Merry Meet and Merry Part... |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:27:04 -0800 (PST) |
|
---Ave L. Cornelius Sulla,
I must respectfully disagree with your disagreement :
)
I know of your personal ties and commraderie with
Septimius, however, if you will refer to his first
reply to Gaia Cassia, you will see that he was
offensive, rude and attacked her religion.
I would not have replied to him had it been otherwise.
I think you know that I am a fair person and I am
deeply offended that you would question my perception
of what was clearly inappropriate on Spetimius' part.
The fact that you are in awe of certain people has
distorted your perception IMHO.
I do agree that it is possible that Gaia Cassia has a
chip on her shoulder, however it is no excuse to treat
a citizen, especially a new one, so rudely. I agree
that Gaia was wrong in her attack on anothers religion
and I said so. That does not change the fact that
Septimius was also at fault with his comments and
inquisitional tone.
I am concerned that you are so impressed by the
superficiality of some and who they *claim* to be that
it has clouded the facts. They are no better or worse
than you.
Vale bene, Maximina Octavia
> Ave,
>
> I must respectfully disagree with you on this one
> Maximina. I think the person with the chip on
> their schulder was clearly the ex-Gaia Cassia.
> While Antonius Corvus Septimus has been a very
> strong advocate of the Religio he has never insulted
> any other religious belief, unlike what Gaia Cassia
> did to my friend Venator. That was uncalled for
> and completely disrespectful. I think most Nova
> Romans are very tolerant, however there are clearly
> those who are not, and unfortuantely Gaia Cassia
> became one of those who was not. I do not place
> Corvus at blame at all in this, it was clearly Gaia
> Cassia's own religious hangups that provoked this
> situation.
>
> Very Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maximina Octavia
> To: novaroma@--------
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Merry Meet and Merry
> Part...
>
>
> Avete Marcus Cassius Julianus,
>
> > It is unfortunate that Gaia Cassia has chosen to
> leave. I think this is merely a misunderstanding
> that
> I am certain could have been ironed out if more
> open
> discussion had been taken up by both parties.
>
> As Nova Roma, I do think we need to be more
> sensitive
> and tolerant of one anothers beliefs. This
> includes,
> what I believe, to be a mischaracterization by
> Gaia
> Cassia of the beliefs of some of our finest
> citizens.
>
> To be fair, I believe that she was also ill
> treated by
> Septimius when he invalidated and ridiculed her
> beliefs. He was also in error in referencing
> mine.
>
> I really think live chats in the Religio Romana
> would
> give all of us a firmer foundation and more common
> ground to stand on with one another. Even though
> my
> personal beliefs are different, I support Religio
> and
> have a special place in my heart for our Pantheon
> and
> would happily join in our public rituals on line.
>
> Vale, Maximina Octavia
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:47:57 -0500 |
|
Name of movie? I'd like to see it, even if Chris Lambert is in it ;)
Vale
Helena
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 9:04 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Druids Movie
Ave,
I just rented a movie called Druids it is about Vercingetorix and the
Gaulic rebellion during the time Iulius Caesar was conquering Gaul. Has
anyone heard or seen this movie? Is it good?
It stars Christopher Lambert (from Highalnder).
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] California Romans on TV |
| From: |
"legixhisp" <legioix@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:42:46 -0000 |
|
The episode of The Most featuring Legio IX Hispana, 9th Legion, Corvus and Legio X of N. CA aired on the History Channel Dec
24 10am PST
Not just talking about it but doing it!
Hoo Ahh!
Gaious Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus
centurio
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:45:06 -0800 |
|
The name of it is, "Druids" It has Christopher Lambert, Klaus Mariae Brandaur and quite a few other actors I recongize. To me it is like a long Highlander flashback! LOL If any of you are hardcore Highlander Fans (like me) you will understand what I mean.
Vale,
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Teleri ferch Nyfain
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie
Name of movie? I'd like to see it, even if Chris Lambert is in it ;)
Vale
Helena
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 9:04 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Druids Movie
Ave,
I just rented a movie called Druids it is about Vercingetorix and the
Gaulic rebellion during the time Iulius Caesar was conquering Gaul. Has
anyone heard or seen this movie? Is it good?
It stars Christopher Lambert (from Highalnder).
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: New Citizens and lists... |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:54:21 -0500 |
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Salve Maximina Octavia,
>Maximina Octavia at myownq@-------- wrote:
>
> There should also be expected cirteria for Maters and
> Paters in NR. It is ridiculous to allow someone so
> lazy or disinterested in the family to be the head of
> it.
I am glad to see you agree. The current trend of gens creation is an obvious
flaw in the system. All gentes should be supplied with an active leader and
laws put in place to prevent decay of active leaders in the future.
> Just my humble opinion. I think Amelius Claudius
> Petrus should be head of the gens because of his
> dedication and active status within NR.
Ah, in a perfect world. =)
> He would do a
> lot to further the popularity and stability of his
> gens and help to stabilize the population of NR.
I am already doing what I can with the gens website I built as a gift to my
mater for accepting me into the gens. At least right now I am trying to do
my part... Like I said earlier, all I can hope for is a brighter future for
my gens. It can't get much lower without being dead, it has only one place
to go, and that's up. =)
Vale,
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Aedile Curule Elect
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:04:18 -0500 |
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Sounds interesting - I do prefer Adrian Paul (drool) in Highlander.
Vale,
Helena
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie
The name of it is, "Druids" It has Christopher Lambert, Klaus Mariae Brandaur and quite a few other actors I recongize. To me it is like a long Highlander flashback! LOL If any of you are hardcore Highlander Fans (like me) you will understand what I mean.
Vale,
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Teleri ferch Nyfain
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie
Name of movie? I'd like to see it, even if Chris Lambert is in it ;)
Vale
Helena
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 9:04 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Druids Movie
Ave,
I just rented a movie called Druids it is about Vercingetorix and the
Gaulic rebellion during the time Iulius Caesar was conquering Gaul. Has
anyone heard or seen this movie? Is it good?
It stars Christopher Lambert (from Highalnder).
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXXV about Scribae Legatis (Scribas |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:18:25 +0100 |
|
Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae
Edictum Propraetoricium XXXV about Scribae Legatis (Scribas assisting the
Legati)
As the workload of and my expectations of my Legati Regiones increases, I
see that my Legati may need assistants. This Edictunm is meant to give the
Legati the possibility of such required help within their Provincia.
I. Each Legatus Regionis that needs and asks for an assistant will be given
one such assistant called Scriba Legatis (Scriba assisting the Legatus) if
the Propraetor deems such a Scriba appropriate.
II. These Scribae are to assist the Legati Regionis in those task that the
Legati require assistans with within their
Regio.
III. To become a Scriba Legatis, each candidate must have proven themself,
one way or the other.
IV. Although these Scribae will assist the Legati Regionis, they will be
members of the Cohors Propraetoris Thules.
V. Each Scriba shall swear the usual oath for Nova Roman officials.
VI. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
Given December 24th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
soon to be Senior Curule Aedile of Nova Roma
still Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:27:54 -0800 |
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OH this is so off topic...but I agree too....the TV show was cool...I miss it...Oh well....I think I need to by the second season of Highlander on Ebay now...
Vale,
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Teleri ferch Nyfain
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie
Sounds interesting - I do prefer Adrian Paul (drool) in Highlander.
Vale,
Helena
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie
The name of it is, "Druids" It has Christopher Lambert, Klaus Mariae Brandaur and quite a few other actors I recongize. To me it is like a long Highlander flashback! LOL If any of you are hardcore Highlander Fans (like me) you will understand what I mean.
Vale,
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Teleri ferch Nyfain
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie
Name of movie? I'd like to see it, even if Chris Lambert is in it ;)
Vale
Helena
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 9:04 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Druids Movie
Ave,
I just rented a movie called Druids it is about Vercingetorix and the
Gaulic rebellion during the time Iulius Caesar was conquering Gaul. Has
anyone heard or seen this movie? Is it good?
It stars Christopher Lambert (from Highalnder).
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Resignation |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:31:17 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- Ave S. Apollonius Draco,
This is honestly, the saddest loss we have had. You
have tried to be fair and have always been caught in
the middle.
Your fine mind and progressive thinking are a great
loss to this nation.
Although we have had our disagreements, I believe you
have had the betterment of Nova Roma in mind and your
posts have mostly if not always been civil. (Maybe
more so than some of mine even.)
I wish you would reconsider because I think you still
have a lot to offer NR. Personally I have no problem
with the dual association where you are concerned.
What is everyone so afraid of? Both sites have all
their information in public for all to see. Both
sites have similar interests. If we could just put
the bad blood behind us and start over, I think we
would all benefit.
I hope you will always consider me your friend even
when we disagree and I hope you will someday return to
Nova Roma. I regret our losing you and consider you a
fine person with a good heart that will be a benefit
to all no matter where you go.
Vale bene, Maximina Octavia (in tears)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: "censored" |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:51:17 -0800 (PST) |
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Salvete,
The difference is, I see it as a privilege to be on
the Main List not an entitlement.
Some should be happy it is not I moderating.
Vale,
Maximina Octavia
--- pompeia_cornelia <trog99@--------> wrote:
> ---Salve Mani:
>
> *If* this is not censorship? I *thought* we were
> innocent until
> proven guilty........
>
> Do you want a more efficient communication vehicle?
>
> Matter of fact, so would I...who wouldn't?
>
> Let's see some bucks! Because it will *not* be
> free, I can assure you
> that.
>
> Perhaps a fund could be initiated by a concerned
> person, such as
> yourself, to provide better internet service.
>
> Bene vale,
>
> Po
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salve MIn novaroma@--------, Michel Loos <loos@q...>
> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > If this is not censorship it still is awful
> maintenance of the list,
> due
> > to it being given over to a foreign organism
> yahoogroups which
> offers a
> > lousy service.
> >
> > This is not the first disapearred message and
> nothing has been done
> yet.
> >
> > Manius Villius Limitanus
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 12:16, justicecmo wrote:
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > Maia, I do believe you would do better if you
> actually *read* what
> was posted to you.
> > >
> > > > > POMPEIA: You are probably wondering why the
> delay in your
> message appearing? Uhh, I went back to bed for two
> hours, to be
> honest. There were no pending messages at the
> time.>>
> > >
> > > Let's review that last line. "No pending
> messages at the time".
> None. Zip. Zero. Not *yours* or anyone else's. One
> canot approve, or
> > > for that matter reject, a message one has not
> *seen*.
> > >
> > > >>POMPEIA: And Priscilla, I believe, is
> working.>>
> > >
> > > Indeed, when your "second" message appeared and
> was approved by
> Pompeia I was at work. I am at the moment too,
> however I do
> > > occasionally have the opportunity to check the
> List via the
> website.
> > >
> > > >>Thank you for the explanation. However, the
> message appeared
> _two days_ late, not two hours. From the pov of all
> those people who,
> like me, are on digest, three days.>>
> > >
> > > There *was* no message received "days" ago.
> Period.
> > >
> > > >>So I am still inclined to think it was
> deliberately stopped
> somewhere>>
> > >
> > > Hmmmm. By your logic perhaps it would be fair
> for Pompeia and I
> to be "inclined to think" that you never sent a
> "first" message and
> > > that this is simply the attempt of a disgruntled
> ex-Nova Roman to
> cause a stir.
> > >
> > > >>and maybe even let through only after my
> anxious message sent
> privatim to several dozens of people.>>
> > >
> > > You could have spammed 500 people with your
> message and, if it was
> not appropriate for this List, it *still* never
> would have been
> > > approved. I clearly see your snide insinuation
> here that Pompeia
> and I somehow scurried to "cover ourselves" after
> you spammed so
> > > many with your message, but the true facts are
> that *no* "first"
> message was received <sent?>, therefore no
> "censorship" took place.
> > >
> > > >>I also meant to suggest it was deliberate, not
> due to the amount
> of work the curatrix and you have to do.>>
> > >
> > > Of course you did. Unfortunately you have
> simply made yourself
> look quite foolish. Not to mention demonstrated to
> *all* that you are
> > > simply looking to create an issue where none
> existed. You never
> bothered to contact either of us to inquire about
> the status of your
> > > alleged "first" message. Had you genuinely been
> so "concerned",
> *that* would have been the first thing you did, not
> leaping to
> > > ludicrous thoughts of some secret plot to
> silence you. To be
> frank, you give yourself far too much merit to think
> that either
> Pompeia or
> > > myself would ever betray our oaths, let alone
> for such an
> insignificant post.
> > >
> > > >>It is just the the issue is very important and
> I have not yet
> seen such a strong insult on this list.>>
> > >
> > > Yes, your spamming many people with your
> personal quibble is proof
> enough of that. Such a strong insult? My dear, you
> may not
> > > agree with his views of you or your actions but
> the post in
> question was hardly an attack. I will note here
> also that, had you
> > > *genuinely* felt so strongly that you had been
> attacked, I find it
> ever more curious that you chose not to contact the
> exact two people
> > > who could have taken action on your behalf in
> this matter. As for
> never seeing strong insults here on the List, I will
> choose to thank
> > > you for acknowledging what a terrific job
> Pompeia and I do to keep
> such inappropriate things from the List members. :)
> > >
> > > >>Some people believe it is best to gnore such
> things rather than
> respond. It may be so, but I am not used to being
> treated like an
> object or called sb's personal gain, in effect, a
> toy, and so reacted
> rather nervously.>>
> > >
> > > Nervously? No, I believe the more appropriate
> word is "badly".
> You ignored all avenues of correcting the problem
> you perceived with
> > > the original post, you cast unfounded
> allegations against myself
> and Pompeia and then proceeded to spam dozens of
> innocent
> > > individuals.
> > >
> > > I wish you well in the SVR. May you conduct
> yourself far better
> in their organization than you have here.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > Priscilla Vedia Serena
> > > Curatrix Sermonis
> > > Lictor
> > >
> > >
> > > > Vale bene!
> > > >
> > > > Maia
> > >
> > >
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"rapax@--------" <rapax@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:55:14 +0200 |
|
Salvete..
Yes,Polybius was a historian but in my opinion he was also a
'philosopher'.He has
a certain air of a judge as he was describing the events.This is what I
like the best
about his narrative style.He sometimes cuts the story and gives a lesson
of morality or
justice (both in the senses of human and divine justice).I've just
finished Tacitus'
Annals and I can say that they represent the two different types of
historians.While
Tacitus is stating the facts without being too much involved personally
Polybius is
actually inside of the events,giving examples of what can be good or bad
for a person
a state or for a people.His views of Fortuna as a controlling factor of
the human lives
and the lives of the nations are indeed worth thinking upon!
' This reasoning on Hannibal's part was both far sighted and
strategically sound.
The truth is that there is no more precious asset for a general than a
knowledge of his
opponent's guiding principles and character and anyone who thinks the
opposite is at
once blind and foolish.When individuals or ranks of soldiers are matched
against one
another the one who means to conquer must search out relentlessly how
best to
achieve his object,and in particular the point at which his enemy
appears most
vulnarable or least protected.In the same way the commander must train
his eye
upon the weak spots of his opponent's defence,not in his body but in his
MIND.'
A very fine lesson on how a perfect general should plan his
moves in a battle.
Then he continues on personal faults which can effect the events in
history.
'There are many men who have allowed not only the welfare of the
state but
their own private fortunes to go to ruin through their own indolence
and lack of
energy.Some are so addicted to wine that they cannot even go to sleep
without
making themselves befuddled with drink and others so abandoned to the
pleasures
of sex and their judgement consequently so undermined that they have
not only ruined their countries and their careers but have brought their
own lives to a
disgraceful end.Now when an individual shows himself to be a coward or
a fool the
humiliation is at least personal and private but when a general shows
these qualities
the effect is universal and produces the most damaging public
consequences of all,
for not only does he render those under his command inefficient but he
often involves in the greatest dangers those who have trusted him.!'
This passage is one of the many which I find as didactic both for
the individual
and for the general.He seems as he is talking about a military commander
but his
remarks can be directed to everybody.
Sorry about the length of the post but Polybius is going good in
the night with
some brandy...:) Noble Caius Cornelius I'm still reading the text but
don't tempt me
too much for I may write even longer posts about the sections I've
alredy finished!
Valete..
Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
'
>Ave!
>
>I like Polybius above all other historians. His writing and style is very
>comprehensive and to the point. And just Imagine, a former enemy of Rome,
>who was captured but honored since he was a magistrate in Greece, who came
>to Rome as a prisoner, was released but not allowed to return to his native
>soil, met with the most important people of his age, saw the distruction of
>Corinthe and Carthage 'live', not as a mere spectator or soldier, but as
>some kind of 'journalist'... A person who sings about the greatness of those
>who defeated him, who calls the Roman ruling system - with its checks and
>balances, thank you illustrous Caeso Fabius Quintilianus - the best that man
>has ever seen...
>
>Honorable Sentius Rutilianus, if you feel like discussing this text with me
>via NR Humanitas or in private, I am all ears!!!
>
>Vale optime in pace deorum!
>
>Caius Cornelius Puteanus
>Lictor
>Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
>Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
>Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
>http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
>http://www.geocities.com/puteanus/
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] It's a Wonderful Life! was Ain't Life Wonderful!? |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:12:02 -0800 (PST) |
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-Ave Marcus Cornelius Tiberius,
I think the name of the movie is "It's a Wonderful
Life". This is real life afterall. Disagreement and
sarcasm don't always equal hate. : )
Happy holidays, I wish you much love and grog!
Vale bene, Maximina Octavia (running for Emporer next
year, please vote for me. My first Lex; Absolutely
everybody will be nice to each other . . . OR ELSE!)
-- otto_von_sitter <otto_von_sitter@--------> wrote:
> Isn't it nice how we all get along here? I like
> being able to retreat
> to a world that has no hate and is working to
> perfect itself, with no
> diputes over small matters. After all, we wouldn't
> want to be like
> American politicians now would we? I'm glad we can
> forget all our
> differences and stop arguing with each other,
> especially at this
> particular time of year. Christian or not, the
> spirit of love for
> one's fellow man is in the air. (and if nothing
> else, those lights sure
> are purdy) It's nice to be part of something that
> makes me feel
> important without making me feel like a politician.
>
> Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
>
> A Cornelian and proud of it!
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Merry Christmas to all |
| From: |
Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:54:37 -0800 (PST) |
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I wish everyone a Merry and Safe Christmas.
God Bless
Marcus Bianchius Antonius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: On Sextus Apollonius Resignation |
| From: |
"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:58:42 -0200 |
|
Salvete Quirites
Thanks for everyone who answered my message about precedents in NR.
I am afraid I was not very clear, in fact I know what precedents are. What I don't know is wether they have any significance in NR's juridical order.
Reading the Constitution (I, B) there is no mention of precedents. Are they really relevant to deny or accept, e.g., Sextus Apollonius' pretention to waive the 9 days period to reconsider or, as Pompeia Cornelia says, only the law can say if he can or cannot do it?
Valete
Titus Horatius Atticus
---Salvete Omnes:
I am not sure it is a matter of precedent, necessarily, (although
precedents carry weight) it is a case of there being no *proviso* in
the established law for one to waive the 9-day period prior to a
resignation taking effect.
The way I read the law is that, although this is Draco's second time
resigning, he still has 9 days to reconsider, after which he will have
to wait a certain time, longer than in the first instance, prior to
his return.
I have had the opportunity of working closely with Draco in various
Sodalitas projects. Contrary to what a couple of people have said, he
has done a good deal for Nova Roma. It is not easy to be me, however;
I see the good in L.Cornelius Sulla, and Draco also.xxxxxxxxxxxx
As I have said before, however, my heart and convictions are with Nova
Roma.
I have written privately to Draco.
For the moment, I would like to see him take a few days to collect his
thoughts, enjoy some peace, and in the ensuing days he will be better
able to make some concrete decisions regarding his future.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
Candidate Praetor 2755 AUC
In novaroma@--------, "Anderson de Araujo Martins Esteves"
<esteves@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites
>
>
> (Maximus scripsit)
> > May he find it to please his soul. He cannot waive his 9 days
privilege,
> > however. We have no precedent for that.
> > Valete
> > Q. Fabius Maximus.
>
> I am a little confused now. Precedents in Nova Roma? I don't know
how the
> juridical system used in the USA and GB could possibly have
something to do
> with our Republic.
> Could anybody clarify this for me please?
>
> Valete
>
> Titus Horatius Atticus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Arts and Crafts |
| From: |
"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Dec 2011 02:47:03 -0200 |
|
Salvete
I am very happy to be on holiday. This time I decided to relax and to devote some time to "arts and crafts"... I am not very talented but I wanted to try.
My first attempt was to make an oil lamp out of clay. Didn't work. I must learn more about the different sorts of clay and the process of burning it.
I made some wax candles to my lararium. It is a pleasure to work with bee's wax, isn't it? It smells fantastic.
I revealed myself as a Praxiteles too. I sculpted my Lar Familiaris out of wax. It was no masterpiece, but I found it better than simply buying some statue or printing an image.
Is there any sodalitas for such make-it-yourself-like-the-romans-did thing?
Valete
Titus Horatius Atticus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Druids Movie |
| From: |
mike rasschaert <morosbe2001@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:43:24 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve Sulla
It seems we have a mutual interest here.
I liked the movies and the show to but i didn't like
Higlander: the raven. It wasn't the same as the movies
and the show highlander. I liked the music on the show
with Adrian paul from Queen. They wrote excellent film
scores for the movies which i enjoy. The soundtrack
was also cool.
Vale optimi pax deorum
Tiberius Apollonius Callias
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] checks and balances - long |
| From: |
mike rasschaert <morosbe2001@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:57:58 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites
If a consul is the prime minister/president. What is
an emperor than called?
Valete optimi pax deorum.
Tiberius Apollonius Callias
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] checks and balances more explanation |
| From: |
QFabiusMaxmi@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:34:19 EST |
|
In a message dated 12/24/01 4:54:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,
morosbe2001@-------- writes:
> I'm not in on the fuctions and titles of the Roman
> society so can you please explain to me what a consul,
> praetor, quaestor really are. I don't understand these
> words. I think that a consul is like a
> minister/secretary,etc..
> Vale optimi pax deorum
> Tiberius Apollonius Callias
>
Salve: Tiberi Apolloni Callias
Consul by today's parlance would be the first or prime minister of the
government.
Originally he was called a Praetor (Ital. one who proceeds) but was called a
consul by 367. There were two of them, each could pronounce intercessio upon
one another's actions. In this way balance was maintained. The consuls were
also expected to lead Roman armies in time of war. Each would command a
consular army consisting of 2 Roman legiones (roughly 8,000) two allied
legiones (same) 300 Equities (mounted patricians) 1200 allied alae (allied
mounted nobles). In the Romans' early existence such manpower was not
available, and likely only one consul went on campaign with 8000 men 300
horse leaving the other in the city.
They were elected by the centuries.
Laterally a vice consul, whose powers were only limited by the Consules,
Praetors were the judges of the government, and commanders of smaller Roman
forces.
There was 1 in 367, then 2 in 244, later 4 in 228, 6 in 146, finally 8 by
Sulla's decree in 81. They had to be at least 32 to stand for office. They
also were elected by the centuries.
The single Praetor would be in charge of the city while the consuls were out
campaigning. When raised to two there were The City Praetor (Urbanus) who
was senior and oversaw the legal decisions involving citizens, while the
second was a Praetor for foreigners (Peregrinos) as Rome had increased it's
contacts with non citizens, and this man was to take care of their legal
problems in Rome.
The Punic wars brought a need for leaders of smaller Roman forces. This was
the two Praetors who led non consular armies, usually two legiones, yet since
these leaders only had a year term to lead their forces, before relinquishing
them it did not allow for efficent military leadership, so the Romans
cleverly got around this by allowing their Imperium to remain intact, but
still electing new Praetors to follow the constitutional requirement. Such
military Praetors were called prorogued to office, and hence they came to
called Pro-Praetors. The Romans practiced the same to Consuls in the 2nd
Punic war, hence the term Pro Consuls.
Both retained Imperium in the field, but lost it upon entering the walls of
Rome. In this way the Roman military leadership was retained, but their
constitution was not compromised.
Later as Rome invaded provinces out side Italy, these Propraetors were often
ordered to administrate them after pacifing them with their army, until Rome
could sent out an elected Praetor to do so.
Quaestors were a combination of secretary, finance officer, and second in
command to their assigned magistrate. They are first attested in the
monarchy, being appointed by kings to oversee murder cases.
In the republic their job remained the same, until 447, when two were
appointed as helpers to the consuls by the Senate. After this the two were
elected to an annual term by the Tribes. While the Quaestor parricidii has
faded from the scene by the 2nd century BCE, secretarial Quaestors were on
the rise. There was no limit on how many times a Quaestor could serve
consecutive terms. They were expected to move up the Cursus Honorum when
able, many however did not, content in standing for reelection. Age they
could serve was mid 20s to early 30s. Two more were added 421 to oversee the
plebeian needs, four more in 267, then the number increased as needed,
finally Sulla in his great reorganization of Rome's government said 20 was
all that was required. Iulius Caesar doubled this in his rule, but Octavious
returned to 20.
Quaestors usually were senators, but not always, Sulla's edict was that the
Quaestorship automatically allowed entry to the Senate.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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[novaroma] QFM Away from Rome. |
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QFabiusMaxmi@-------- |
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Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:38:16 EST |
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To all it may concern. I will be away from Rome until the 27th. Legal
matters should be referred to my colleague. Since the Senate is not
officially meeting I retain my proxy.
To all my Christian friends, Merry Christmas.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
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Re: [novaroma] checks and balances - long |
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QFabiusMaxmi@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:40:22 EST |
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In a message dated 12/24/01 2:17:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,
morosbe2001@-------- writes:
> If a consul is the prime minister/president. What is
> an emperor than called?
>
Imperator. One who holds complete Imperium over all.
The Greeks would call him a Tyrant.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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Re: [novaroma] Re: On Sextus Apollonius Resignation |
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QFabiusMaxmi@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:50:12 EST |
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In a message dated 12/24/01 1:45:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
esteves@-------- writes:
> Reading the Constitution (I, B) there is no mention of precedents. Are they
> really relevant to deny or accept, e.g., Sextus Apollonius' petition to
> waive the 9 days period to reconsider or, as Pompeia Cornelia says, only
> the law can say if he can or cannot do it?
>
>
Roman law depends on precedent. If the court (quaestione) allowed Apollonius
to waive his 9 days requirement then the precedent would be set and any Roman
citizen could do the same.
However, our lex makes no mention of allowing this to happen. Since in Roman
law, "not set down in the law" means it cannot be done, Apollonius cannot
waive his 9 day requirement.
He could petition the quaestiones to allow him to do so, except we have none
set up therefore, he'd have to ask one of the Praetors. He did not.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
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Re: [novaroma] checks and balances - long |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
24 Dec 2001 20:33:44 -0200 |
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On Mon, 2001-12-24 at 19:57, mike rasschaert wrote:
> Salvete Quirites
> If a consul is the prime minister/president. What is
> an emperor than called?
> Valete optimi pax deorum.
> Tiberius Apollonius Callias
>
We have no emperor here,
we are a Roman Republic.
In old times the Consuls were the highest executives, chief of the
armies. The year was named after their names.
The Praetores were in charge of the citizens and could be called to
reinforces the armies of the consuls.
The quaestores were in charge of the finances and assesors to the 2
former.
Under the principate, in theory everything stayed as it was but the
princeps was invested with the power of the tribunes and as such had a
right of veto for everything the others did. In consequence, in order
not being vetoed they did only what was the princeps will. The only
major difference was that only the Imperator/Princeps was in charge of
the army, which he commanded through personnal legates.
Manius Villius Limitanus
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