| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: A great dream I had |
| From: |
"otto_von_sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:09:54 -0000 |
|
Thank you, I certainly do hope my dream becomes a reality, along with
the dreams of every citizen. Good luck in your recruiting efforts.
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
--- In novaroma@--------, Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@b...> wrote:
> Marcus Cornelius Tiberius at otto_von_sitter@-------- wrote:
>
> > OK, it was a daydream, but that's not the point! :-)
> >
> > In only two decades, Nova Roma has not only made a major land purchase
> > in the macronational US state of Georgia (because of the temperate
> > weather and cheap land bought from a relative of a loyal citizen), but
> > it has managed to reproduce most of the buildings historically
> > important to Old Rome.
>
> I greatly enjoyed reading your hopes for the future of Nova Roma. I think I
> enjoyed it because your dream is so close to my own dream of the future. I
> even printed off your post to show to a friend of mine who I am trying to
> convince to become a citizen. I believe the majority of people who hold a
> passion for ancient Rome have a part of them that would like to see it
> recreated today. It1s just a matter of exposing that part. =) By sharing
> your thoughts you are contributing to making this dream a reality. After
> all, don't all great things start off as a "silly dream"?
>
> Vale,
>
> "Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
> "Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
>
> --
> Amulius Claudius Petrus
> Aedile Curule Elect
> Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
> Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
> Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
> Canada Orientalis Provincia
>
> Canada Orientalis Website:
> www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
>
> Gens Claudia Website:
> www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
> --
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"otto_von_sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:15:35 -0000 |
|
I agree with Polybius's statment. I think that anyone that stands up
forthemselves even when they are afraid is great. Rome had quite a few
setbacks, but it endured, and that is what made it great.
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
--- In novaroma@--------, "rapax@s..." <rapax@s...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Salvete...
>
> ' It is when the Romans stand in real danger that they are most to be
> feared,and
> this principle applies both to their public and to their private life! '
>
> I'm reading Polybius for the first time and found this sentence as a
> wonderful reply
> to the question of ' Why Rome was so great? '
> What do you think ?
>
> Valete....
>
>
> Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
> Civis Novae Romae
>
> * Sapiens dominabitur astris ! *
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Off topic - Lord of the Rings! :) |
| From: |
"otto_von_sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:19:09 -0000 |
|
Sheesh, I thought only us Utopia players had any obsession for LOTR.
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
--- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> Maybe just a bit obsessed.....but not much! <g>
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Teleri ferch Nyfain
> To: novaroma@--------
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Off topic - Lord of the Rings! :)
>
>
> Salvete,
> LOTR -
> I spent never mind how much at BK for the stupid plastic figurine ring, went to see the movie opening day in costume (having taken off work) & have seen it twice more (in one day) already.
> I'm not obsessed, am I?
> Valete,
> Helena
>
>
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>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: checks and balances more explanation |
| From: |
"otto_von_sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:27:55 -0000 |
|
Oh man! So much information, so little time to learn it all!
Information overload ... Must have asprin ... vision bluring
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
--- In novaroma@--------, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/24/01 4:54:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> morosbe2001@-------- writes:
>
>
> > I'm not in on the fuctions and titles of the Roman
> > society so can you please explain to me what a consul,
> > praetor, quaestor really are. I don't understand these
> > words. I think that a consul is like a
> > minister/secretary,etc..
> > Vale optimi pax deorum
> > Tiberius Apollonius Callias
> >
>
> Salve: Tiberi Apolloni Callias
>
> Consul by today's parlance would be the first or prime minister of the
> government.
> Originally he was called a Praetor (Ital. one who proceeds) but was called a
> consul by 367. There were two of them, each could pronounce intercessio upon
> one another's actions. In this way balance was maintained. The consuls were
> also expected to lead Roman armies in time of war. Each would command a
> consular army consisting of 2 Roman legiones (roughly 8,000) two allied
> legiones (same) 300 Equities (mounted patricians) 1200 allied alae (allied
> mounted nobles). In the Romans' early existence such manpower was not
> available, and likely only one consul went on campaign with 8000 men 300
> horse leaving the other in the city.
> They were elected by the centuries.
> Laterally a vice consul, whose powers were only limited by the Consules,
> Praetors were the judges of the government, and commanders of smaller Roman
> forces.
> There was 1 in 367, then 2 in 244, later 4 in 228, 6 in 146, finally 8 by
> Sulla's decree in 81. They had to be at least 32 to stand for office. They
> also were elected by the centuries.
> The single Praetor would be in charge of the city while the consuls were out
> campaigning. When raised to two there were The City Praetor (Urbanus) who
> was senior and oversaw the legal decisions involving citizens, while the
> second was a Praetor for foreigners (Peregrinos) as Rome had increased it's
> contacts with non citizens, and this man was to take care of their legal
> problems in Rome.
> The Punic wars brought a need for leaders of smaller Roman forces. This was
> the two Praetors who led non consular armies, usually two legiones, yet since
> these leaders only had a year term to lead their forces, before relinquishing
> them it did not allow for efficent military leadership, so the Romans
> cleverly got around this by allowing their Imperium to remain intact, but
> still electing new Praetors to follow the constitutional requirement. Such
> military Praetors were called prorogued to office, and hence they came to
> called Pro-Praetors. The Romans practiced the same to Consuls in the 2nd
> Punic war, hence the term Pro Consuls.
> Both retained Imperium in the field, but lost it upon entering the walls of
> Rome. In this way the Roman military leadership was retained, but their
> constitution was not compromised.
> Later as Rome invaded provinces out side Italy, these Propraetors were often
> ordered to administrate them after pacifing them with their army, until Rome
> could sent out an elected Praetor to do so.
>
> Quaestors were a combination of secretary, finance officer, and second in
> command to their assigned magistrate. They are first attested in the
> monarchy, being appointed by kings to oversee murder cases.
> In the republic their job remained the same, until 447, when two were
> appointed as helpers to the consuls by the Senate. After this the two were
> elected to an annual term by the Tribes. While the Quaestor parricidii has
> faded from the scene by the 2nd century BCE, secretarial Quaestors were on
> the rise. There was no limit on how many times a Quaestor could serve
> consecutive terms. They were expected to move up the Cursus Honorum when
> able, many however did not, content in standing for reelection. Age they
> could serve was mid 20s to early 30s. Two more were added 421 to oversee the
> plebeian needs, four more in 267, then the number increased as needed,
> finally Sulla in his great reorganization of Rome's government said 20 was
> all that was required. Iulius Caesar doubled this in his rule, but Octavious
> returned to 20.
> Quaestors usually were senators, but not always, Sulla's edict was that the
> Quaestorship automatically allowed entry to the Senate.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Merry Christmas |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 04:32:38 -0000 |
|
Salvete Nova Romani:
To those who embrace the way of the Galilean, and celebrate tonight
his earthly presentation in Bethlehem, I wish you a pleasant feast
day, and as always, a prosperous Novus Annum.
It is amazing to me, how this time of year is celebrated by many
faiths as a time of virtuous light, spiritual renewal, the divine
reaching out to the mortal. A rose by any other name, perhaps?
I wish you all well, fellow citizens of Nova Roma.
With affection,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Request/challenge for the coming year |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:38:16 -0800 |
|
Ave,
As many of you know beginning in January I will be Consul for the coming
year with my colleague M. Octavius Germancius. One of my goals for the
coming year is to get this list a bit more active. So, I would like to
challenge you all with something. As you know we have a relationship
with Amazon.com in the purchasing of books. I would like to have a list
of books to add that would assist learning about the Muses and at the
same time I would like to develop book reviews from books that you have
read. These reviews would be available at the website so that other
citizens will be able to review them and assist them if they are
interested in making purchases. And, I would hope that our Aediles
could even make a contest out of this and maybe reward (monthly or so)
the best book review they would get a small prize or something?
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Digest Number 1772 also introduction |
| From: |
"radams36" <radams40@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 04:48:02 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Theresa Irwin" <twright56@--------> wrote:
> May I introduce myself? I am Alexandria Augusta, a 22 yo classics
major in
> the southern United States. I am interested in poltics, and the
humanities
> and hope I can be a productive citizen of Nova Roma.
>
Welcome to the main list, Alexandria. Looking forward to seeing your
contributions!
Ave!
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Correction of mistake |
| From: |
"radams36" <radams40@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 04:54:41 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Theresa Irwin" <twright56@--------> wrote:
> Pardon my mistake. That name I used is a name I created for Caesar
3. I have put in an application for citizenship as Alexandria Iulia
Agrippa.
> Alexandria
> ICQ# 25205373
>
>
Well, in that case, be sure to also sign up for the 'Iulii' list on
Yahoo Groups, since you'll be a new member of my own Gens. So welcome
not only to the Main List, but to Gens Iulia, as well!
Ave,
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Thank you very much my friends. |
| From: |
"radams36" <radams40@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 04:58:07 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "luciuspompeius" <danielovi@--------> wrote:
> Salve Rufe Iuli Palaeologe
> Thank you. Letīs have hope. Itīs the only thing nobody can take it
> away from us.
> Vale bene and have a wonderful hollydays
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
>
Happy holidays to you, as well, amice!
Vale Bene!
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Off topic - Lord of the Rings! :) |
| From: |
"radams36" <radams40@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 05:50:18 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Teleri ferch N--------n" <rckovak@e...> wrote:
> Salvete,
> LOTR -
> I spent never mind how much at BK for the stupid plastic figurine
ring, went to see the movie opening day in costume (having taken off
work) & have seen it twice more (in one day) already.
> I'm not obsessed, am I?
> Valete,
> Helena
>
I watched it twice day before yesterday (that's one day pretty well
done and over with), and I think I'll watch it 3 or 4 times more at
least before it gets out of the theaters. I would have been impressed
if it had just MET my high expectations. I never imagined it would
exceed them.
For those who are not Tolkien fans, but are movie lovers, Ian
McKellen's performance alone is easily worth the price of a ticket!
Valete,
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:28:16 -0800 (PST) |
|
Ave,
I personally found the "Meditations" of Marcus
Aurelius to be intellectually stimulating. Though
they are not historical in context I think the reader
leaves a better person after reading the text. As
well I think you can also find some of the best quotes
and advice in the "Meditations." In regards to the
historical I think the writings of Cicero are very
good and interesting. I haven't finished reading his
material yet so I am not inclined to comment further.
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: On Sextus Apollonius Resignation |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:46:42 -0800 (PST) |
|
Ave,
Just a question out of curiousity but where does
that rule of not set down in law means it cannot be
done derive from? Logically if it is not set down
then there is nothing saying it can't be done. To me
it takes a precedent to initiate a law or regulation.
That's how case law works in the United States.
Though I do understand we're talking about two
different systems here.
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
--- QFabiusMaxmi@-------- wrote:
> In a message dated 12/24/01 1:45:25 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> esteves@-------- writes:
>
>
> > Reading the Constitution (I, B) there is no
> mention of precedents. Are they
> > really relevant to deny or accept, e.g., Sextus
> Apollonius' petition to
> > waive the 9 days period to reconsider or, as
> Pompeia Cornelia says, only
> > the law can say if he can or cannot do it?
> >
> >
>
> Roman law depends on precedent. If the court
> (quaestione) allowed Apollonius
> to waive his 9 days requirement then the precedent
> would be set and any Roman
> citizen could do the same.
> However, our lex makes no mention of allowing this
> to happen. Since in Roman
> law, "not set down in the law" means it cannot be
> done, Apollonius cannot
> waive his 9 day requirement.
> He could petition the quaestiones to allow him to do
> so, except we have none
> set up therefore, he'd have to ask one of the
> Praetors. He did not.
>
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Request/challenge for the coming year |
| From: |
"rapax@--------" <rapax@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:56:15 +0200 |
|
Salve noble Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix,
This is one of the greatest ideas I've ever seen in this
list...though I'll be away for
some time I'll try to do whatever I can!
Book reviews,criticisms,discussions will surely bring some action
here as well as to
our minds.I'm buying books from Amazon and since I don't know what is
best to buy I
am asking for the help of the experienced cives .So,such reviews would be
really helpful.Besides I think we should make book lists for the Religio
Romana,Roman
Army and Navy,literature,the works of the orators,Greek and Roman
philosophers,
also for the biographies of great Romans such as
emperors,politicians,military leaders
etc..so that the interested cives can learn the best books to buy
without disturbing
the peace by their incessant call for help on books :) And maybe we can
put those lists
on our main page!
I'd surely liked to join to any contest about the
books...but...let's name that 'small prize' first!!
Vale bene...
Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
>Ave,
>
>As many of you know beginning in January I will be Consul for the coming
>year with my colleague M. Octavius Germancius. One of my goals for the
>coming year is to get this list a bit more active. So, I would like to
>challenge you all with something. As you know we have a relationship
>with Amazon.com in the purchasing of books. I would like to have a list
>of books to add that would assist learning about the Muses and at the
>same time I would like to develop book reviews from books that you have
>read. These reviews would be available at the website so that other
>citizens will be able to review them and assist them if they are
>interested in making purchases. And, I would hope that our Aediles
>could even make a contest out of this and maybe reward (monthly or so)
>the best book review they would get a small prize or something?
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"rapax@--------" <rapax@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:08:18 +0200 |
|
Salve..
'The Meditations' was on my list after Caesar's 'Civil War'!
And since you've said that it can make me a better person,maybe I
should change
the order !
Thanks for the advice..
Vale...
Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
>Ave,
> I personally found the "Meditations" of Marcus
>Aurelius to be intellectually stimulating. Though
>they are not historical in context I think the reader
>leaves a better person after reading the text. As
>well I think you can also find some of the best quotes
>and advice in the "Meditations." In regards to the
>historical I think the writings of Cicero are very
>good and interesting. I haven't finished reading his
>material yet so I am not inclined to comment further.
> vale,
> Quintus Cornelius Caesar
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Request/challenge for the coming year |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:57:42 +0100 |
|
>Ave,
>
>As many of you know beginning in January I will be Consul for the coming
>year with my colleague M. Octavius Germancius. One of my goals for the
>coming year is to get this list a bit more active. So, I would like to
>challenge you all with something. As you know we have a relationship
>with Amazon.com in the purchasing of books. I would like to have a list
>of books to add that would assist learning about the Muses and at the
>same time I would like to develop book reviews from books that you have
>read. These reviews would be available at the website so that other
>citizens will be able to review them and assist them if they are
>interested in making purchases. And, I would hope that our Aediles
>could even make a contest out of this and maybe reward (monthly or so)
>the best book review they would get a small prize or something?
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Salve Illustrus Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix!
This is a great idea. There is just one problem, some of us live in Europe
(or some other continent). If if buy from Amazon.com.us it would cost me a
value added-tax of 25%. This could a lot of money as I this month bought
books for more than $280. Instead I mostly buy from Amazon.com.uk then I
don't have to pay this tax as both countries are members of EU.
Because of this I would like to forward a challange to any Brittish citizen
to help us organize an agreement of the same kind with Amazon in UK.
Otherwise I am sure that we Aediles wil take up your challenge!
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
soon to be Senior Curule Aedile of Nova Roma
still Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:26:26 +0100 |
|
Salve Publie Sentie Rutiliane Honorabile!
I am glad to see you speaking with so much enthousiasm about Polybius. Yest,
it is my favorite historian of Antiquity. I agree with you that he is to be
seen like some 'historian-philosopher', but that is not uncommon. In
Antiquity, historiography was not the narrative of a 'scientific research'
in the modern sense, even though you had to gather lots of elements as well.
The narrative itself had far more importance than it has today.
The difference you mentionned with Tacitus' Annales is not due to Tacitus
himself, but to the genre the Annales are written in. Annales just means you
write year by year what happened, mostly about political things but in a
broader sense about what remarkable things have happened (also astrological
things etc.). It is like a series of 'daily newspapers' or year chronicles
written. Tacitus has also 'let himself go' in other books, try De Germania.
To me it is surprising that, no matter his style and agreeable comments,
Polybius isn't as well known as some other historians like Herodotus,
Livius, Tacitus, Suetonius and others. This can be due to him writing in
Greek or not writing about the emperors. I haven't got a clear explanation,
so maybe you or someone else could help us out here?
I also excuse myself to Livia, for proposing to discuss this on another list
(NRHumanitas). I didn't want to withdraw the subject from the main list and
am happy to see the reactions are very positive!!!
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Cornelius Puteanus
Lictor
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
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----- Original Message -----
From: <rapax@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
>
>
> Salvete..
> Yes,Polybius was a historian but in my opinion he was also a
> 'philosopher'.He has
> a certain air of a judge as he was describing the events.This is what I
> like the best
> about his narrative style.He sometimes cuts the story and gives a
lesson
> of morality or
> justice (both in the senses of human and divine justice).I've just
> finished Tacitus'
> Annals and I can say that they represent the two different types of
> historians.While
> Tacitus is stating the facts without being too much involved personally
> Polybius is
> actually inside of the events,giving examples of what can be good or
bad
> for a person
> a state or for a people.His views of Fortuna as a controlling factor of
> the human lives
> and the lives of the nations are indeed worth thinking upon!
> ' This reasoning on Hannibal's part was both far sighted and
> strategically sound.
> The truth is that there is no more precious asset for a general than a
> knowledge of his
> opponent's guiding principles and character and anyone who thinks the
> opposite is at
> once blind and foolish.When individuals or ranks of soldiers are
matched
> against one
> another the one who means to conquer must search out relentlessly how
> best to
> achieve his object,and in particular the point at which his enemy
> appears most
> vulnarable or least protected.In the same way the commander must train
> his eye
> upon the weak spots of his opponent's defence,not in his body but in
his
> MIND.'
> A very fine lesson on how a perfect general should plan his
> moves in a battle.
> Then he continues on personal faults which can effect the events in
> history.
> 'There are many men who have allowed not only the welfare of
the
> state but
> their own private fortunes to go to ruin through their own indolence
> and lack of
> energy.Some are so addicted to wine that they cannot even go to sleep
> without
> making themselves befuddled with drink and others so abandoned to the
> pleasures
> of sex and their judgement consequently so undermined that they have
> not only ruined their countries and their careers but have brought their
> own lives to a
> disgraceful end.Now when an individual shows himself to be a coward or
> a fool the
> humiliation is at least personal and private but when a general shows
> these qualities
> the effect is universal and produces the most damaging public
> consequences of all,
> for not only does he render those under his command inefficient but he
> often involves in the greatest dangers those who have trusted him.!'
> This passage is one of the many which I find as didactic both for
> the individual
> and for the general.He seems as he is talking about a military
commander
> but his
> remarks can be directed to everybody.
> Sorry about the length of the post but Polybius is going good in
> the night with
> some brandy...:) Noble Caius Cornelius I'm still reading the text but
> don't tempt me
> too much for I may write even longer posts about the sections I've
> alredy finished!
>
> Valete..
> Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
>
>
>
> '
> >Ave!
> >
> >I like Polybius above all other historians. His writing and style is very
> >comprehensive and to the point. And just Imagine, a former enemy of Rome,
> >who was captured but honored since he was a magistrate in Greece, who
came
> >to Rome as a prisoner, was released but not allowed to return to his
native
> >soil, met with the most important people of his age, saw the distruction
of
> >Corinthe and Carthage 'live', not as a mere spectator or soldier, but as
> >some kind of 'journalist'... A person who sings about the greatness of
those
> >who defeated him, who calls the Roman ruling system - with its checks and
> >balances, thank you illustrous Caeso Fabius Quintilianus - the best that
man
> >has ever seen...
> >
> >Honorable Sentius Rutilianus, if you feel like discussing this text with
me
> >via NR Humanitas or in private, I am all ears!!!
> >
> >Vale optime in pace deorum!
> >
> >Caius Cornelius Puteanus
> >Lictor
> >Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
> >Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
> >Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque
Occidentalis
> >Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
> >http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
> >http://www.geocities.com/puteanus/
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Request/challenge for the coming year |
| From: |
"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:34:52 +0100 |
|
Ave Pater Sulla Illustre et Caeso Fabie Quintiliane Illustre!
This challenge is indeed not only a very good idea but something to keep in
mind for especially our European cives. I myself am from the region Germania
Inferior, and am used to reading books in English, German, French and Dutch.
It would be wonderful to have such an agreement in the European Union with
some provider of books, like Amazon. Who is taking up the glove? Can I help?
I also wanted to add the idea that, since not all books are bought, but they
can still mean a great asset for our cives if you borrow them from a
library, what do you think of a special page on our website to centralize
different book reviews? As you know, I have already made some on my personal
home page, for use by the Academia and other Nova Romans. Where can we
start?
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Cornelius Puteanus
Lictor
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/puteanus/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Caeso Fabius Quintilianus" <tjalens.h@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Request/challenge for the coming year
>
> >Ave,
> >
> >As many of you know beginning in January I will be Consul for the coming
> >year with my colleague M. Octavius Germancius. One of my goals for the
> >coming year is to get this list a bit more active. So, I would like to
> >challenge you all with something. As you know we have a relationship
> >with Amazon.com in the purchasing of books. I would like to have a list
> >of books to add that would assist learning about the Muses and at the
> >same time I would like to develop book reviews from books that you have
> >read. These reviews would be available at the website so that other
> >citizens will be able to review them and assist them if they are
> >interested in making purchases. And, I would hope that our Aediles
> >could even make a contest out of this and maybe reward (monthly or so)
> >the best book review they would get a small prize or something?
> >
> >Respectfully,
> >
> >Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> Salve Illustrus Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix!
>
> This is a great idea. There is just one problem, some of us live in Europe
> (or some other continent). If if buy from Amazon.com.us it would cost me a
> value added-tax of 25%. This could a lot of money as I this month bought
> books for more than $280. Instead I mostly buy from Amazon.com.uk then I
> don't have to pay this tax as both countries are members of EU.
>
> Because of this I would like to forward a challange to any Brittish
citizen
> to help us organize an agreement of the same kind with Amazon in UK.
>
> Otherwise I am sure that we Aediles wil take up your challenge!
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> soon to be Senior Curule Aedile of Nova Roma
> still Quaestor of Nova Roma
> Propraetor of Thule
>
> The Opinions expressed are my own,
> and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Request/challenge for the coming year |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:09:33 -0800 |
|
Ave,
Just for clarifcation the prize does not have to come from Amazon.com.
It could be something else from the Macellum....or anything else the
Aediles might want to give out.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
>
> >Ave,
> >
> >As many of you know beginning in January I will be Consul for the
> coming
> >year with my colleague M. Octavius Germancius. One of my goals for
> the
> >coming year is to get this list a bit more active. So, I would like
> to
> >challenge you all with something. As you know we have a relationship
> >with Amazon.com in the purchasing of books. I would like to have a
> list
> >of books to add that would assist learning about the Muses and at the
> >same time I would like to develop book reviews from books that you
> have
> >read. These reviews would be available at the website so that other
> >citizens will be able to review them and assist them if they are
> >interested in making purchases. And, I would hope that our Aediles
> >could even make a contest out of this and maybe reward (monthly or
> so)
> >the best book review they would get a small prize or something?
> >
> >Respectfully,
> >
> >Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> Salve Illustrus Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix!
>
> This is a great idea. There is just one problem, some of us live in
> Europe
> (or some other continent). If if buy from Amazon.com.us it would cost
> me a
> value added-tax of 25%. This could a lot of money as I this month
> bought
> books for more than $280. Instead I mostly buy from Amazon.com.uk then
> I
> don't have to pay this tax as both countries are members of EU.
>
> Because of this I would like to forward a challange to any Brittish
> citizen
> to help us organize an agreement of the same kind with Amazon in UK.
>
> Otherwise I am sure that we Aediles wil take up your challenge!
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> soon to be Senior Curule Aedile of Nova Roma
> still Quaestor of Nova Roma
> Propraetor of Thule
>
> The Opinions expressed are my own,
> and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
> ************************************************
> The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
> http://thule.novaroma.org/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> "Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
> ************************************************
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Common Law in NR? (Was: On Sextus Apollonius Resignation) |
| From: |
"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:35:24 -0200 |
|
Salvete Quirites
(I am not trying to start a boring and "destructive" debate, I just want to understand how this really works)
I am not talking about roman law. As we know, the rolle played by the precedents and the consuetudo varied through the different stages of the Roman History. Initially they were very important but gradually lost their relevance. (I think this assertion is well known and anyway I am too lazy to search all the reference, dates and names in my "Direito Romano" collection :)
What I want to know is how this works here in Nova Roma. Q. Fabius tryed to clarify this for me but he couldn't provide any article of the our Constitution or any Legal Document of NR which proves that the precedent is really relevant in NRoman law. So I am inclined to think that in his previous message he only expressed his opinions about the issue. Or maybe the power of precedents is so normal and evident for our cives living in an anlgo-saxon culture, that it seems also natural that they must have a rolle in NR too. However I must remember that the Common Law system (the paper of the precedents in creating law, valid rules) is used in the USA and in GB, whereas almost the entire "rest" of the occidental world uses the Statute-Law system (that is, only the Written Law can say what can be done or not).
My question is: is the common law fons legis (source of law)in NR? And if it is, where is it in the Constitution?
Valete
Atticus
Roman law depends on precedent. If the court (quaestione) allowed Apollonius
to waive his 9 days requirement then the precedent would be set and any Roman
citizen could do the same.
However, our lex makes no mention of allowing this to happen. Since in Roman
law, "not set down in the law" means it cannot be done, Apollonius cannot
waive his 9 day requirement.
He could petition the quaestiones to allow him to do so, except we have none
set up therefore, he'd have to ask one of the Praetors. He did not.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
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|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Merry Solstice |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
25 Dec 2001 07:25:00 -0200 |
|
Merry Solstice to everybody whatever name you call it.
For some of us the sun stopped disappearing, for the others its
the night that stopped getting shorter.
Anyway life will go on, cyclic and this a good motive to comemorate
Manius Villius Limitanus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: On Sextus Apollonius Resignation |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
25 Dec 2001 07:39:58 -0200 |
|
On Tue, 2001-12-25 at 04:46, Michael Loughlin wrote:
> Ave,
> Just a question out of curiousity but where does
> that rule of not set down in law means it cannot be
> done derive from? Logically if it is not set down
> then there is nothing saying it can't be done. To me
> it takes a precedent to initiate a law or regulation.
> That's how case law works in the United States.
> Though I do understand we're talking about two
> different systems here.
> vale,
> Quintus Cornelius Caesar
Salve,
I agree with you, not basd on the US system but on the old roman system
(in opposition to the Justinian system).
The Roman Law as it is known today comes from the Justinian code, a
bureaucratic, byzantine code from the early dark ages. Our model should
clearly not be that, but an early republic model.
In the early republic, their were at first no written laws at all, each
case was judged against tradition.
Then came the decemviri and the 12 tables fixing general laws, but still
most cases were judged case by case, based on tradition and on the
superior power of the people of Rome to decide not to respect a
tradition/law if h so decided.
Vale,
Manius Villius Limitanus
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Dies Natalis Sol Invictus! :) |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:49:28 EST |
|
Salvete Omnes,
Patricia Cassia and I would like to wish everyone the best on this holiday,
by whatever name each of us cares to call it.
This is the time of year when the return of the Light is begun. May this be
so in our lives and our community as well as in the world around us.
Ave Solis Invictus!
Merry Christmas!
Happy Yule/Solstice!
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Common Law in NR? (Was: On Sextus Apollonius Resignation) |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 07:32:12 -0800 |
|
Ave,
Well let me respond with an example. An ex-citizen tried to get a name
change. She consulted the previous Censors who declined the name change
petition. Then, I became Censor and she tried to do it again. I
consulted the previous Censors who notified me of their decision and why
they made their decision. Eventually I upheld the precedent they
established.
I hope this answers some of your questions.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Martins-Esteves wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites
>
> (I am not trying to start a boring and "destructive" debate, I just
> want to understand how this really works)
>
> I am not talking about roman law. As we know, the rolle played by the
> precedents and the consuetudo varied through the different stages of
> the Roman History. Initially they were very important but gradually
> lost their relevance. (I think this assertion is well known and anyway
> I am too lazy to search all the reference, dates and names in my
> "Direito Romano" collection :)
>
> What I want to know is how this works here in Nova Roma. Q. Fabius
> tryed to clarify this for me but he couldn't provide any article of
> the our Constitution or any Legal Document of NR which proves that the
> precedent is really relevant in NRoman law. So I am inclined to think
> that in his previous message he only expressed his opinions about the
> issue. Or maybe the power of precedents is so normal and evident for
> our cives living in an anlgo-saxon culture, that it seems also natural
> that they must have a rolle in NR too. However I must remember that
> the Common Law system (the paper of the precedents in creating law,
> valid rules) is used in the USA and in GB, whereas almost the entire
> "rest" of the occidental world uses the Statute-Law system (that is,
> only the Written Law can say what can be done or not).
>
> My question is: is the common law fons legis (source of law)in NR?
> And if it is, where is it in the Constitution?
>
> Valete
>
> Atticus
>
> Roman law depends on precedent. If the court (quaestione) allowed
> Apollonius
> to waive his 9 days requirement then the precedent would be set and
> any Roman
> citizen could do the same.
> However, our lex makes no mention of allowing this to happen. Since
> in Roman
> law, "not set down in the law" means it cannot be done, Apollonius
> cannot
> waive his 9 day requirement.
> He could petition the quaestiones to allow him to do so, except we
> have none
> set up therefore, he'd have to ask one of the Praetors. He did not.
>
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: On Sextus Apollonius Resignation |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 07:33:53 -0800 |
|
Ave,
I must object to the term early dark ages. The Byzantine culture was
ANYTHING but dark. And, if it was not for the Byzantines we would not
have much of anything from the Roman Culture left.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Michel Loos wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2001-12-25 at 04:46, Michael Loughlin wrote:
> > Ave,
> > Just a question out of curiousity but where does
> > that rule of not set down in law means it cannot be
> > done derive from? Logically if it is not set down
> > then there is nothing saying it can't be done. To me
> > it takes a precedent to initiate a law or regulation.
> > That's how case law works in the United States.
> > Though I do understand we're talking about two
> > different systems here.
> > vale,
> > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
>
> Salve,
>
> I agree with you, not basd on the US system but on the old roman
> system
> (in opposition to the Justinian system).
> The Roman Law as it is known today comes from the Justinian code, a
> bureaucratic, byzantine code from the early dark ages. Our model
> should
> clearly not be that, but an early republic model.
>
> In the early republic, their were at first no written laws at all,
> each
> case was judged against tradition.
> Then came the decemviri and the 12 tables fixing general laws, but
> still
> most cases were judged case by case, based on tradition and on the
> superior power of the people of Rome to decide not to respect a
> tradition/law if h so decided.
>
> Vale,
>
> Manius Villius Limitanus
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Common Law in NR? (Was: On Sextus Apollonius Resignation) |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:14:51 -0800 (PST) |
|
A Precedent played a role earlier this year the first
time Formosanus resigned. The law was unclear on
wheather the 9 day waiting period applied to his
resignation from his office as Plebian Aedile as well
as his resignation of his citizenship. The Precedent
of Sulla's earlier resignation and resumption of his
citizenship and office showed that a citizen could
resume duties in an office.
Precedents in Roman Law and English Common Law are
some what different. Under Common Law a Precedent can
establish a law without any action on the part of the
legislature. Under Roman law the use of a precedent is
limited to how the law was interpted by earlier
magistrates and is covered as part of praejudicium as
an exemplum.
>From Smith's
http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Praejudicium.html
PRAEJUDICIUM. This word, as appears from its
etymology, has a certain relation to Judicium, to
which it is opposed by Cicero (Divinat. 4): "de quo
non praejudicium, sed plane jam judicium factum." The
commentator, who goes under the name of Asconius,
observes on this passage, that a praejudicium is
something, which when established becomes an exemplum
for the judices (judicaturi ) to follow; but this
leaves us in doubt whether he means something
established in the same cause, by way of preliminary
inquiry, or something established in a different, but
a like cause, which would be what we call a precedent.
Quintilian (Inst. Orat. v.1.2) states that it is used
both in the sense of a precedent, in which case it is
rather exemplum than praejudicium (res ex paribus
causis judicatae);.....
L. Sicinius Drusus
--- Martins-Esteves <esteves@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites
>
>
> (I am not trying to start a boring and "destructive"
> debate, I just want to understand how this really
> works)
>
> I am not talking about roman law. As we know, the
> rolle played by the precedents and the consuetudo
> varied through the different stages of the Roman
> History. Initially they were very important but
> gradually lost their relevance. (I think this
> assertion is well known and anyway I am too lazy to
> search all the reference, dates and names in my
> "Direito Romano" collection :)
>
> What I want to know is how this works here in Nova
> Roma. Q. Fabius tryed to clarify this for me but he
> couldn't provide any article of the our Constitution
> or any Legal Document of NR which proves that the
> precedent is really relevant in NRoman law. So I am
> inclined to think that in his previous message he
> only expressed his opinions about the issue. Or
> maybe the power of precedents is so normal and
> evident for our cives living in an anlgo-saxon
> culture, that it seems also natural that they must
> have a rolle in NR too. However I must remember that
> the Common Law system (the paper of the precedents
> in creating law, valid rules) is used in the USA and
> in GB, whereas almost the entire "rest" of the
> occidental world uses the Statute-Law system (that
> is, only the Written Law can say what can be done or
> not).
>
> My question is: is the common law fons legis
> (source of law)in NR? And if it is, where is it in
> the Constitution?
>
> Valete
>
> Atticus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Roman law depends on precedent. If the court
> (quaestione) allowed Apollonius
> to waive his 9 days requirement then the precedent
> would be set and any Roman
> citizen could do the same.
> However, our lex makes no mention of allowing this
> to happen. Since in Roman
> law, "not set down in the law" means it cannot be
> done, Apollonius cannot
> waive his 9 day requirement.
> He could petition the quaestiones to allow him to do
> so, except we have none
> set up therefore, he'd have to ask one of the
> Praetors. He did not.
>
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: On Sextus Apollonius Resignation |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
25 Dec 2001 13:49:55 -0200 |
|
On Tue, 2001-12-25 at 13:33, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix wrote:
> Ave,
>
> I must object to the term early dark ages. The Byzantine culture was
> ANYTHING but dark. And, if it was not for the Byzantines we would not
> have much of anything from the Roman Culture left.
>
Salve,
I totally agree with you in respect of the value of the byzantine
culture. What is the name in english for the 476-800 period ?
I thought it was dark ages.
Vale,
Manius Villius Limitanus
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> Michel Loos wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 2001-12-25 at 04:46, Michael Loughlin wrote:
> > > Ave,
> > > Just a question out of curiousity but where does
> > > that rule of not set down in law means it cannot be
> > > done derive from? Logically if it is not set down
> > > then there is nothing saying it can't be done. To me
> > > it takes a precedent to initiate a law or regulation.
> > > That's how case law works in the United States.
> > > Though I do understand we're talking about two
> > > different systems here.
> > > vale,
> > > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > I agree with you, not basd on the US system but on the old roman
> > system
> > (in opposition to the Justinian system).
> > The Roman Law as it is known today comes from the Justinian code, a
> > bureaucratic, byzantine code from the early dark ages. Our model
> > should
> > clearly not be that, but an early republic model.
> >
> > In the early republic, their were at first no written laws at all,
> > each
> > case was judged against tradition.
> > Then came the decemviri and the 12 tables fixing general laws, but
> > still
> > most cases were judged case by case, based on tradition and on the
> > superior power of the people of Rome to decide not to respect a
> > tradition/law if h so decided.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Manius Villius Limitanus
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: On Sextus Apollonius Resignation |
| From: |
mike rasschaert <morosbe2001@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:48:40 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve Sulla
> I must object to the term early dark ages. The
> Byzantine culture was
> ANYTHING but dark. And, if it was not for the
> Byzantines we would not
> have much of anything from the Roman Culture left.
I don't know about the last part but i can tell you
this. The 'dark ages' as everybody knows it, is not
that dark. It was a time of change and where the view
of the world expanded. The Byzantine culture was
ultimatly destroyed but the crusaders who attacked
cities across the Byzantine Empire, causing it to
collapse when the Arabs attack it. When they reached
as far as Constantinopel, the city asked for help from
Europe, but Europe was so divided that it couldn't
help the city out of its problemes.
Vale optimi pax deorum
Tiberius Apollonius Callias
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Byzantine/Roman culture preservation |
| From: |
"radams36" <radams40@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:53:13 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@e...>
wrote:
> Ave,
>
> I must object to the term early dark ages. The Byzantine culture
was
> ANYTHING but dark. And, if it was not for the Byzantines we would
not
> have much of anything from the Roman Culture left.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
Well put, amice. Without the continued preservation of elements of
Roman culture in Byzantium, we would know much less than we currently
do. And that's after the vandalism and destruction wrought by the
Crusaders, yet!
Vale,
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Common Law in NR? |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 15:57:29 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, L. Sicini Druse.
--- "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> wrote:
> A Precedent played a role earlier this year the first
> time Formosanus resigned. The law was unclear on
> wheather the 9 day waiting period applied to his
> resignation from his office as Plebian Aedile as well
> as his resignation of his citizenship. The Precedent
> of Sulla's earlier resignation and resumption of his
> citizenship and office showed that a citizen could
> resume duties in an office.
>
> Precedents in Roman Law and English Common Law are
> some what different. Under Common Law a Precedent can
> establish a law without any action on the part of the
> legislature. Under Roman law the use of a precedent is
> limited to how the law was interpted by earlier
> magistrates and is covered as part of praejudicium as
> an exemplum.
That is correct! To make it more clear, the difference between the
Roman praeiudicium or exemplum is that it is *not* binding to the
judicature. Modern legal systems that do not derive from English Common
Law still follow this model: a "precedent" is a previous interpretation
of a certain law, and it is part of what we call "jurisprudence".
Judges often refer to jurisprudence to make their decisions; after all,
it saves trouble to mantain the same interpretation of the law. But
that interpretation can be changed for a new interpretation by the
judge, if the judge considers that circumstances are different.
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Lictor Curiatus.
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