| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: On Sextus Apollonius Resignation |
| From: |
mike rasschaert <morosbe2001@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:38:14 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve Manius Villius Limitanus
What is the name in english for the 476-800
> period ?
> I thought it was dark ages.
Actually this were the early middle ages from the fall
of the Western Roman Empire until the Karolingian Era
which begun around 750 A.D. Before that, you had the
Merovingian era from 350 A.D.(i don't know if this is
correct. I 'll try to verify this in the next couple
of days) until 750. The teacher who gives Art history
to uss tends to easy the date's so they can easy be
learned. The early Christian era which begun around
the same time as the Merovingian Era but didn't last
as so long since it ended in 650 A.D.
The dark ages offcialy began at the end of the western
Roman Empire and ended at the fall of the Eastern
Roman Empire but this was everywhere the same dat
since in Italy the Renaissance began around 1400 and
ended around 1550, i believe with the death of Karl
5.(Karel 5). shouldn't we begin the call this thread
something else like history or something else.
Vale optimi pax deorum
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Happy Holiday |
| From: |
"Marcus Traianus Valerius" <traiania@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:32:16 -0600 |
|
Salvete,
I would like to wish all of the citizen's of Nova Roma a very happy holiday season. No matter which of the festival's of light you chose to follow!
Pax, Salam and Shalom!
Marcus Traianus Valerius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"Marcus Traianus Valerius" <traiania@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:33:51 -0600 |
|
Salve,
I too found the "Meditations" and excellent work and there is much that we a Roman Citizens can learn from them.
mTv
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Loughlin
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
Ave,
I personally found the "Meditations" of Marcus
Aurelius to be intellectually stimulating. Though
they are not historical in context I think the reader
leaves a better person after reading the text. As
well I think you can also find some of the best quotes
and advice in the "Meditations." In regards to the
historical I think the writings of Cicero are very
good and interesting. I haven't finished reading his
material yet so I am not inclined to comment further.
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Common Law in NR? |
| From: |
labienus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:43:22 US/Central |
|
Salvete Attice aliique
> What I want to know is how this works here in Nova Roma.
<amputatio>
> Or maybe the power of precedents is so normal and evident for our cives
> living in an anlgo-saxon culture, that it seems also natural that they must
> have a rolle in NR too.
To date, our magistrati have relied on precedent to guide them in their various
decisions. And, one at least has mistakenly referred to the principal of
"stare decisis" ("let the decision stand"), which is one of the bases of
common, as opposed to Roman, law.
> My question is: is the common law fons legis (source of law)in NR? And if it
> is, where is it in the Constitution?
Common law is not the source of Nova Roman law, and it cannot be found in the
constitution. Indeed, the primary passages that might be considered to mandate
the form of Nova Roman law are section I.B. (establishing the precedence of
law), section IV.A.3 (outlining the praetores' powers), and the preamble which
states that ancient Roman practices should be the guiding factor in Nova Roma's
government (though it does not mention law in specific).
Therefore, it is my interpretation that precedence, while a valuable tool for
magistrati and other government officials, does not in any way establish law in
Nova Roma, and that our leges are therefore our sole recourse to determine what
is and is not legally permissible. Precedents can serve as a guide for
interpreting the law, but they cannot ever establish it.
Note, by the way, that the particular law in question--Lex Cornelia et Maria De
Civitate Eiuranda, which establishes, among other things, cives' right to a
reconsideration nundina--both gives cives a right and binds the censores to a
certain course of action. While it is reasonable to assume that a civis may
waive a right if he or she wishes, it is dangerous at best to allow magistrati
to ignore restrictions even if the civis affected by such a disregard for the
law is amenable.
Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:40:55 -0800 (PST) |
|
Ave,
Well I at least thought by the time I had
completed the "Meditations" I had been "enlightened"
some by the end. If you look closely some of his
thoughts provide sound advice even in the contemporary
world. Caesar's "Civil War" how is that? I've seen
it numerous times in the book store but have never
gotten around to buying it. Been too busy buying and
reading the writings of Cicero.
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
--- "rapax@--------" <rapax@-------->
wrote:
>
>
> Salve..
> 'The Meditations' was on my list after Caesar's
> 'Civil War'!
> And since you've said that it can make me a
> better person,maybe I
> should change
> the order !
> Thanks for the advice..
> Vale...
> Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
>
>
> >Ave,
> > I personally found the "Meditations" of Marcus
> >Aurelius to be intellectually stimulating. Though
> >they are not historical in context I think the
> reader
> >leaves a better person after reading the text. As
> >well I think you can also find some of the best
> quotes
> >and advice in the "Meditations." In regards to the
> >historical I think the writings of Cicero are very
> >good and interesting. I haven't finished reading
> his
> >material yet so I am not inclined to comment
> further.
> > vale,
> > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Common Law in NR? |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:47:38 -0800 (PST) |
|
Ave,
Just to clarify one thing in modern judicial
systems Judges do use common law to make their
decisions....HOWEVER, the precedent comes with that
decision and forms case law...so in essence case law
is the precedent or I guess you could say kinda
bookmarks it.
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Common Law in NR? |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:52:54 -0800 (PST) |
|
Ave,
T. Labienus Fortunatus, you said "Precedents can
serve as a guide for interpreting the law, but they
cannot ever establish it." Now my question is this: If
a magistrate uses a precedent as a guide to interpret
the law he by using that precedent to arrive at a
decision, sets a standard. So in essence by your own
words quoted above wouldn't that precedent make law by
the establishment of a standard?
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 06:57:29 +0100 |
|
Salve Frater Quinte Cornelie Caesar!
I haven't read Caesaer's De bello Civile yet (actually, I did, but it's too
long ago). What do you think of Cicero? His writings are impressive, both in
numbers and ideas, but his style isn't really pleasant to read nowadays. The
conversations he uses to make his point actually give various ideas and
opinions (which is an asset of course), but they don't add to the clarity of
the work...
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Cornelius Puteanus
Lictor
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Loughlin" <qccaesar@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
> Ave,
> Well I at least thought by the time I had
> completed the "Meditations" I had been "enlightened"
> some by the end. If you look closely some of his
> thoughts provide sound advice even in the contemporary
> world. Caesar's "Civil War" how is that? I've seen
> it numerous times in the book store but have never
> gotten around to buying it. Been too busy buying and
> reading the writings of Cicero.
> vale,
> Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> --- "rapax@--------" <rapax@-------->
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Salve..
> > 'The Meditations' was on my list after Caesar's
> > 'Civil War'!
> > And since you've said that it can make me a
> > better person,maybe I
> > should change
> > the order !
> > Thanks for the advice..
> > Vale...
> > Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
> >
> >
> > >Ave,
> > > I personally found the "Meditations" of Marcus
> > >Aurelius to be intellectually stimulating. Though
> > >they are not historical in context I think the
> > reader
> > >leaves a better person after reading the text. As
> > >well I think you can also find some of the best
> > quotes
> > >and advice in the "Meditations." In regards to the
> > >historical I think the writings of Cicero are very
> > >good and interesting. I haven't finished reading
> > his
> > >material yet so I am not inclined to comment
> > further.
> > > vale,
> > > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:06:31 -0800 (PST) |
|
Ave,
Cicero is great in my opinion. I personally like
his work "On Obligations". Sometimes I think it can
get dry but for the most part it keeps my attention.
When I had to read Plato's republic for a Political
Theory class I just wanted to die and end the misery.
That book bored me to death.
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
--- Caius Cornelius Puteanus <puteus@-------->
wrote:
> Salve Frater Quinte Cornelie Caesar!
>
> I haven't read Caesaer's De bello Civile yet
> (actually, I did, but it's too
> long ago). What do you think of Cicero? His writings
> are impressive, both in
> numbers and ideas, but his style isn't really
> pleasant to read nowadays. The
> conversations he uses to make his point actually
> give various ideas and
> opinions (which is an asset of course), but they
> don't add to the clarity of
> the work...
>
> Vale optime in pace deorum!
>
> Caius Cornelius Puteanus
> Lictor
> Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
> Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana
> Antiqua et Nova
> Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris
> Europaeque Occidentalis
> Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae
> Inferioris
> http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
> http://www.geocities.com/puteanus/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Loughlin" <qccaesar@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 6:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
>
>
> > Ave,
> > Well I at least thought by the time I had
> > completed the "Meditations" I had been
> "enlightened"
> > some by the end. If you look closely some of his
> > thoughts provide sound advice even in the
> contemporary
> > world. Caesar's "Civil War" how is that? I've
> seen
> > it numerous times in the book store but have never
> > gotten around to buying it. Been too busy buying
> and
> > reading the writings of Cicero.
> > vale,
> > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> > --- "rapax@--------"
> <rapax@-------->
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve..
> > > 'The Meditations' was on my list after
> Caesar's
> > > 'Civil War'!
> > > And since you've said that it can make me a
> > > better person,maybe I
> > > should change
> > > the order !
> > > Thanks for the advice..
> > > Vale...
> > > Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
> > >
> > >
> > > >Ave,
> > > > I personally found the "Meditations" of
> Marcus
> > > >Aurelius to be intellectually stimulating.
> Though
> > > >they are not historical in context I think the
> > > reader
> > > >leaves a better person after reading the text.
> As
> > > >well I think you can also find some of the best
> > > quotes
> > > >and advice in the "Meditations." In regards to
> the
> > > >historical I think the writings of Cicero are
> very
> > > >good and interesting. I haven't finished
> reading
> > > his
> > > >material yet so I am not inclined to comment
> > > further.
> > > > vale,
> > > > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:24:50 +0100 |
|
Ave Frater,
I happen to have On Obligations on my desk for reading during these
holidays! Fortunately, I never had to read Plato's Republic in its full
extent! But, hey, that's how to become a man: defeat the "Idea" that it is
boring! ;-)
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Cornelius Puteanus
Lictor
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Loughlin" <qccaesar@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
> Ave,
> Cicero is great in my opinion. I personally like
> his work "On Obligations". Sometimes I think it can
> get dry but for the most part it keeps my attention.
> When I had to read Plato's republic for a Political
> Theory class I just wanted to die and end the misery.
> That book bored me to death.
> vale,
> Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> --- Caius Cornelius Puteanus <puteus@-------->
> wrote:
> > Salve Frater Quinte Cornelie Caesar!
> >
> > I haven't read Caesaer's De bello Civile yet
> > (actually, I did, but it's too
> > long ago). What do you think of Cicero? His writings
> > are impressive, both in
> > numbers and ideas, but his style isn't really
> > pleasant to read nowadays. The
> > conversations he uses to make his point actually
> > give various ideas and
> > opinions (which is an asset of course), but they
> > don't add to the clarity of
> > the work...
> >
> > Vale optime in pace deorum!
> >
> > Caius Cornelius Puteanus
> > Lictor
> > Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
> > Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana
> > Antiqua et Nova
> > Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris
> > Europaeque Occidentalis
> > Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae
> > Inferioris
> > http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
> > http://www.geocities.com/puteanus/
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Loughlin" <qccaesar@-------->
> > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 6:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
> >
> >
> > > Ave,
> > > Well I at least thought by the time I had
> > > completed the "Meditations" I had been
> > "enlightened"
> > > some by the end. If you look closely some of his
> > > thoughts provide sound advice even in the
> > contemporary
> > > world. Caesar's "Civil War" how is that? I've
> > seen
> > > it numerous times in the book store but have never
> > > gotten around to buying it. Been too busy buying
> > and
> > > reading the writings of Cicero.
> > > vale,
> > > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> > > --- "rapax@--------"
> > <rapax@-------->
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve..
> > > > 'The Meditations' was on my list after
> > Caesar's
> > > > 'Civil War'!
> > > > And since you've said that it can make me a
> > > > better person,maybe I
> > > > should change
> > > > the order !
> > > > Thanks for the advice..
> > > > Vale...
> > > > Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Ave,
> > > > > I personally found the "Meditations" of
> > Marcus
> > > > >Aurelius to be intellectually stimulating.
> > Though
> > > > >they are not historical in context I think the
> > > > reader
> > > > >leaves a better person after reading the text.
> > As
> > > > >well I think you can also find some of the best
> > > > quotes
> > > > >and advice in the "Meditations." In regards to
> > the
> > > > >historical I think the writings of Cicero are
> > very
> > > > >good and interesting. I haven't finished
> > reading
> > > > his
> > > > >material yet so I am not inclined to comment
> > > > further.
> > > > > vale,
> > > > > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
> > > http://greetings.yahoo.com
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"rapax@--------" <rapax@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:01:24 +0200 |
|
Salve...
Caesar's 'Civil War' you can take a look at it here...
www.mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/caesar/CAECIV01.HTM
I can say that whatever Caesar had written,I'll buy!I've some
quotations taken from
Marcus Aurelius and they are surely 'enlightening'
Such as 'The happiness of your life depends on the quality of your
thoughts.
Therefore guard accordingly and take care that you entertain no notions
unsuitable
to virtue and reasonable nature.'
'All things are the same -familiar enterprises momentary
in endurance ,
coarse in substance.All things now are as they were in the day of those
whom we
have buried.'
And one of my favourites ' You've embarked ,you've made
the voyage,you
have come to the shore ; get out!'
If other cives here have their favourite quotations I'd like to
hear and add them
to my notes...
Vale...
Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
>Ave,
> Well I at least thought by the time I had
>completed the "Meditations" I had been "enlightened"
>some by the end. If you look closely some of his
>thoughts provide sound advice even in the contemporary
>world. Caesar's "Civil War" how is that? I've seen
>it numerous times in the book store but have never
>gotten around to buying it. Been too busy buying and
>reading the writings of Cicero.
> vale,
> Quintus Cornelius Caesar
>
>
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome! |
| From: |
"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:28:42 +0100 |
|
Salve Quinte Cornelie!
Could you please verify the url, since it didn't work with me!!
Thanks!
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Cornelius Puteanus
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] url correction |
| From: |
"rapax@--------" <rapax@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:38:01 +0200 |
|
Salve again...
Try this one for Caesar's Civil War...
www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook09.html
This site is a wonderful source.
Vale...
Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
>>Ave,
>> Well I at least thought by the time I had
>>completed the "Meditations" I had been "enlightened"
>>some by the end. If you look closely some of his
>>thoughts provide sound advice even in the contemporary
>>world. Caesar's "Civil War" how is that? I've seen
>>it numerous times in the book store but have never
>>gotten around to buying it. Been too busy buying and
>>reading the writings of Cicero.
>> vale,
>> Quintus Cornelius Caesar
>>
>>
>>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] url correction |
| From: |
"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:46:10 +0100 |
|
Ave!
Thanks! This one works best for me:
http://classics.mit.edu/Caesar/civil.html
Vale bene!
Caius Cornelius Puteanus
www.geocities.com/puteanus/
www.geocities.com/Germania_Inferior/
----- Original Message -----
From: <rapax@-------->
To: "novaroma" <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 1:38 PM
Subject: [novaroma] url correction
>
>
> Salve again...
> Try this one for Caesar's Civil War...
> www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook09.html
> This site is a wonderful source.
> Vale...
> Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
>
>
>
>
> >>Ave,
> >> Well I at least thought by the time I had
> >>completed the "Meditations" I had been "enlightened"
> >>some by the end. If you look closely some of his
> >>thoughts provide sound advice even in the contemporary
> >>world. Caesar's "Civil War" how is that? I've seen
> >>it numerous times in the book store but have never
> >>gotten around to buying it. Been too busy buying and
> >>reading the writings of Cicero.
> >> vale,
> >> Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Request/challenge for the coming year |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:05:28 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salve Caeso Fabi,
> This is a great idea. There is just one problem, some of us live in Europe
> (or some other continent). If if buy from Amazon.com.us it would cost me a
> value added-tax of 25%. This could a lot of money as I this month bought
> books for more than $280. Instead I mostly buy from Amazon.com.uk then I
> don't have to pay this tax as both countries are members of EU.
I've seen several sites with both Amazon US and UK links, so this is
apparently easy to set up; we'll have the Quaestores look into it.
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Curator Araneum et Senator, Nova Roma
Senior Consul-Elect, MMDCCLV (2002)
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Request/challenge for the coming year |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:39:51 +0100 |
|
>Salve Caeso Fabi,
>
>> This is a great idea. There is just one problem, some of us live in Europe
>> (or some other continent). If if buy from Amazon.com.us it would cost me a
>> value added-tax of 25%. This could a lot of money as I this month bought
>> books for more than $280. Instead I mostly buy from Amazon.com.uk then I
>> don't have to pay this tax as both countries are members of EU.
>
>I've seen several sites with both Amazon US and UK links, so this is
>apparently easy to set up; we'll have the Quaestores look into it.
>
>Vale, Octavius.
>
>--
>Marcus Octavius Germanicus
>Curator Araneum et Senator, Nova Roma
>Senior Consul-Elect, MMDCCLV (2002)
Salve Illustrus Marcus Octavius Germanicus!
Good!
Illustrus Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix has written to me privately about
this, You may wan to coordinate with him.
Vale
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Web Nova Roman Experiments |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:28:55 +0100 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar omnibus S.P.D.
I'm proud to announce the first little project of the web team for the next
year.
WEB NOVA ROMAN EXPERIMENTS
http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre
In this website you can look the new experiments about the official sites of
Nova Roma, like www.novaroma.org or ludi pages or provincial sites.
If you are a web designer, a programmer, an administrator, etc. and you have
some good ideas and project to improve the websites of Nova Roma visit
http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre or send me an e-mail at
sacro_barese_impero@-------- I'll publish on WNRE.
I invite you all to partecipate in the mailing list NovaRomaWebSites to
discuss about the grow of our best communication way:
http://www.yahoogroups/novaromawebsites/
Valete et bonam fortunam
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Web Nova Roman Experiments |
| From: |
Lucilla Cornelia Cinna <CorneliaLucilla@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:48:12 +0100 |
|
Francisco Apulo Caesari Lucilla Cornelia Cinna s.d.p.
Being retaria pro tempore of the Sodalitas Egressus, I started creating
the website last year.
The current URL is: http://bibliothecagermanica.de/SodalitasEgressus/
The current URL for the website of the Gens Cornelia which I host is
http://bibliothecagermanica.de/GensCornelia/
The current URL for the Historiographi Latini which I (as Musaea
Collegii Clius) host, is
http://bibliothecagermanica.de/HistoriographiLatini/
I am planning on a site about historic novels (containing listings,
reviews and probably - si placet magistratibus senatui populoque
NovaRomano) for the Collegium Calliopes ...
Any feedback, help and input is appreciated! :o)
Bene Valete!
Lucilla Cornelia Cinna _
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Quaestrix C. Flavio Diocletiano Praetori /\~/\ / )
Propraetori Provinciae Germaniae ( )~~~----...,, __/ /
Procuratrix Provinciae Germaniae \` ´/ /
Retaria Sodalitatis Egressus \v/ _____( |
Musaea collegiorum Calliopes Cliusque / \| |~~~~´ \ \ \
Sodalitatis Musarum ( ( | | ) /\ )
Civis NovaRomana \_\| | _/ / _| |
Auctrix Bibliotheca Germaniae /__/ /__/ /__/
http://www.BibliothecaGermanica.de/
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Correction of mistake |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:58:36 -0800 (PST) |
|
>Ave Alexandria Iulia Agrippa,
Welcome to Nova Roma! I wish you the best of times
and hopefully we will see more of you and your ideas
on the Main List.
Your suggestions and comments are welcome. Enjoy your
new home!
Vale bene, Maximina Octavia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Historical enquiry |
| From: |
James Johnston <james.johnston@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:10:06 +0000 (GMT) |
|
Jamie Johnston to citizens and allies of Nova Roma, greetings.
I recently contacted the consuls and consuls-elect to offer to write a narrative annalistic history of Nova Roma, to supplement the useful but rather dry annals currently available.
The consuls encouraged and approved the enterprise, and since then I have been engaged in research in the archives of this list and the list of laws, &c.
Inevitably the selection of evidence publicly available contains gaps, and I am appealing to anyone who has any additional archives, documents or other evidence, or who would be interested in recounting to me some of their memories and experiences of the time since the founding of the city, or who has any suggestions for other sources of evidence, to contact me (privately, so as not to clog up this list) at james.johnston@--------
Many thanks.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Web Nova Roman Experiments |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:19:00 +0100 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar omnibus S.P.D.
I want underline WNRE - Web Nova Roman Experiments is a box of EXPERIMENTS
about graphics, features and applications to improving our official and
personal Nova Roman websites. They have to been new, advanced, cool and
original. We accept so well the experiments on the official www.novaroma.org
It's not a list of links of personal sites. So you don't send me address of
Gens, Provincial, personal websites. They are on-line, yet official,
"normal" and all fellow.
If you look the links and files on labo.novaroma.org/wnre they are proofs,
incomplete and real "experiments".
Maybe I'll create a section with all your personal links.
Sorry but WNRE serve us to find new solutions and improve our official
websites, not to sponsor all the nova roman sites.
Thank you.
Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Historical enquiry |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:39:14 -0000 |
|
---Salvete:
May we know your citizen name in Nova Roma, please?
Pompeia Cornelia
In novaroma@--------, James Johnston <james.johnston@s...> wrote:
> Jamie Johnston to citizens and allies of Nova Roma, greetings.
>
> I recently contacted the consuls and consuls-elect to offer to write
a narrative annalistic history of Nova Roma, to supplement the useful
but rather dry annals currently available.
>
> The consuls encouraged and approved the enterprise, and since then I
have been engaged in research in the archives of this list and the
list of laws, &c.
>
> Inevitably the selection of evidence publicly available contains
gaps, and I am appealing to anyone who has any additional archives,
documents or other evidence, or who would be interested in recounting
to me some of their memories and experiences of the time since the
founding of the city, or who has any suggestions for other sources of
evidence, to contact me (privately, so as not to clog up this list) at
jame--------hn--------@--------
>
> Many thanks.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Request/challenge for the coming year |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:59:44 -0800 (PST) |
|
---Ave Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix>
This is a wonderful idea and strictly for my part this
would assist in my education of Rome which is sadly
lacking.
Bravo! for a very productive and inspirational idea!
I think this is going to be a very productive and
educational year for NR.
Vale bene,
Maximina Octavia
> As many of you know beginning in January I will be
> Consul for the coming
> year with my colleague M. Octavius Germancius. One
> of my goals for the
> coming year is to get this list a bit more active.
> So, I would like to
> challenge you all with something. As you know we
> have a relationship
> with Amazon.com in the purchasing of books. I would
> like to have a list
> of books to add that would assist learning about the
> Muses and at the
> same time I would like to develop book reviews from
> books that you have
> read. These reviews would be available at the
> website so that other
> citizens will be able to review them and assist them
> if they are
> interested in making purchases. And, I would hope
> that our Aediles
> could even make a contest out of this and maybe
> reward (monthly or so)
> the best book review they would get a small prize or
> something?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Arts and Crafts |
| From: |
asseri@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:54:25 EST |
|
In a message dated 12/24/01 4:45:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
esteves@-------- writes:
> Is there any sodalitas for such make-it-yourself-like-the-romans-did thing?
>
> Valete
>
> Titus Horatius Atticus
>
>
Salvete,
I fear there is not such a group at this time or if there is I have
missed it. Though many of us to make things and are always experimenting .
By my own inclination I am a crafter of various mediums , I love to make a
mess for a good cause! Truely I would very much like to discuss theses
aspects of Nova Roma .
Is there interest in this beside we two?
Prima Fabia Drusila
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Common Law in NR? |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:55:52 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Q. Corneli.
--- Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> wrote:
> Ave,
> Just to clarify one thing in modern judicial
> systems Judges do use common law to make their
> decisions....
In *some* modern judicial systems; mainly those of Anglo-Saxon nations.
In many other nations, English common law is not a source of
legislation. In fact, many nations take their legal source from Roman
law itself.
=====
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Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Common Law Vs. Praejudicium |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <pokrock@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:45:28 -0000 |
|
Salve,
Interesting discussion concerning legal interpetations of law in both
Nova Roma and the Roman Republic.
Citation #1:
Common law:
Legally binding rules or principles of justice developed in the
course of history from the gradual accumulation of rulings by judges
in individual cases, as differentiated from the kind of statute law
embodied in special legal codes or statutes enacted by legislative
assemblies or imposed by executive decrees. The importance of the
common law heritage is particularly great in the legal systems of
Great Britain and of most former British colonies, including the U.S.
© 1994-2000 Paul M. Johnson: Auburn University Department of
Political Science
Citation #2:
PRAEJUDI¢CIUM. This word, as appears from its etymology, has a
certain relation to Judicium, to which it is opposed by Cicero
(Divinat. 4): "de quo non praejudicium, sed plane jam judicium
factum." The commentator, who goes under the name of Asconius,
observes on this passage, that a praejudicium is something, which
when established becomes an exemplum for the judices (judicaturi) to
follow; but this leaves us in doubt whether he means something
established in the same cause, by way of preliminary inquiry, or
something established in a different, but a like cause, which would
be what we call a precedent. Quintilian (Inst. Orat. v.1.2) states
that it is used both in the sense of a precedent, in which case it is
rather exemplum than praejudicium (res ex paribus causis judicatae);
and also in the sense of a preliminary inquiry and determination
about something which belongs to the matter in dispute (judiciis ad
ipsam causam pertinentibus), from whence also comes the name
Praejudicium. This latter sense is in conformity with the meaning of
Praejudiciales Actiones or Praejudicia in which there is an Intentio
only and nothing else (Gaius, iv.44). These accordingly were called
Praejudiciales Actiones which had for their object the determination
of some matter, which was not accompanied by a condemnatio. "A
praejudicium is an actio, which his not any condemnatio as a
consequence, but only a judicial declaration as to the existence of a
legal relation. The name of this kind of actions comes from the
circumstance that they serve as preliminary to other and future
actions. All these Actiones are in rem, that is, they avail not
exclusively against a determinate person who owes a duty, like
actions which are founded on Obligationes." (Savigny, System, &c.
vol.i p356). For instance, the question might be, Whether a man is a
father or not, or Whether he has a Potestas over his child: these
were the subject of Praejudiciales Actiones. If a father denied that
the child who was born of his wife, or with which she was pregnant,
was his child, this was the subject of a "Praejudicium cum patre de
partu agnoscendo." If a Judex should have declared that the child
must be maintained by the reputed father, there must still be the
Praejudicium to ascertain whether the reputed father is the true
father. If it was doubtful whether the mother was his wife, there
must be a praejudicium on this matter before the praejudicium de
partu agnoscendo. These praejudicial actions then, were, as it
appears, actions respecting Status; and they were either Civiles or
Praetoriae. It was a Civilis Actio when the question was as to
libertas; the rest seem to have been Praetoriae Actiones. Quintilian
makes a third class of Praejudicia, "cum de eadem causa pronuntiatum
est," &c.
Sometimes Praejudicium means inconvenience, damage, injury, which
sense appears to arise from the notion of a thing being prejudged, or
decided without being fairly heard; and this sense of the word seems
to be very nearly the same in which it occurs in our law in the
phrase "without prejudice to other matters in the cause."
(Gaius, iii.123, Gaius, iv.44; Dig. 25 tit.3; Dig. 22. tit.3 s8;
Dig.43 tit.30 De liberis exhibendis; Inst. 4 tit.6 s13; and
Theophilus, Paraphr. ad Inst.4 tit.6 s13). William Smith, D.C.L.,
LL.D.: A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities, John Murray,
London, 1875.
If I read the citation on Praejudicium correctly, the difference
between common law precident and praejudicium is that praejudicium
only has bearing on one particular case where as common law has
bearing upon all future cases of simular nature
In the incident which has spawned this debate the resignation of
citizenship with waiver of 9 day waiting period, under Roman Law the
judge having procedural jurisdicto could rule that in this case the 9
day waiting period is waived, however this ruling does not apply to
any future cases of waiving the 9 day waiting period as common law
precident that binds any future magistrate.
However that being said, much of early civil and criminal Republican
Roman Law was based on tradition (another term for precident) rather
than statute. Later statutory laws codified traditional civil and
criminal legal interpetations. However once codified magistrates
rulings of law were limited only to the particular circumstances of
the case and had no bearing on future cases of similar nature. Some
statutes changed radically over time; for example the various lex
sumptuaria ranged from down right Spartan to amazingly lax depending
on the political climate.
Pax,
Quintus Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Web Nova Roman Experiments |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:04:35 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Francisce Apule.
--- Franciscus Apulus Caesar <sacro_barese_impero@--------> wrote:
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar omnibus S.P.D.
>
> I'm proud to announce the first little project of the web team for
> the next
> year.
>
> WEB NOVA ROMAN EXPERIMENTS
> http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre
>
> In this website you can look the new experiments about the official
> sites of
> Nova Roma, like www.novaroma.org or ludi pages or provincial sites.
> If you are a web designer, a programmer, an administrator, etc. and
> you have
> some good ideas and project to improve the websites of Nova Roma
> visit
> http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre or send me an e-mail at
> sacro_barese_impero@-------- I'll publish on WNRE.
>
> I invite you all to partecipate in the mailing list NovaRomaWebSites
> to
> discuss about the grow of our best communication way:
> http://www.yahoogroups/novaromawebsites/
>
> Valete et bonam fortunam
>
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Impressive, gentlemen! I think that we will see a serious improvement
of the Nova Roma main website in the coming year. Keep up the good
work!
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Egressus Website |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:49:25 -0500 (EST) |
|
Mistress Lucilla Cornelia Cinna;
I have just reviewed the subject website, and I am very impressed. My
first task is to offer you the position of Egressus Retaria as a
permanent position, and raise that position to the rank of Section
Manager. The rank of Section Manager allows the selection of an Asst.
Section Manager and two Scribes. I am open to discussions regarding
Latin titles for each of those positions mentioned above. You have done
an excellent job, and I very much appreciate your work.
You have asked for suggestions, and my first and immediate suggestion
would be to contact the three new Section Managers appointed to the
Sodalitas Egressus, and add thier information to the Egressus Contact
Points, and thier websites (if any) to a Links List. In relation to
Museum addresses and contact information which have Roman galleries, and
displays, these items should have thier own listing, and the abiity to
maintain a list of letters to these organizations and thier responses.
My second suggestion would be to begin to systemattically search the
internet for Roman Associated Websites, and construct a List of Links to
those websites with a brief explanation of each one.
I would much appreciate a message from you about every two weeks,
detailing your efforts in these areas, your ideas, and your suggestions
fr the expansion of the website. I am very pleased with your efforts to
date, and will attend your discussions with me with every attention.
Please establish a letter file within the Egressus Website for selected
letters, and place this message therein. Include also in the letter
file the appointment letter for the three Section Managers. Please
upgrade the Sodalitas Officer's List to include yourself, and the three
other Section Managers. I will provide additional information as I dig
it out. Please review the Membership List, and with the assistance of
my Egressus Beneficarius Pompeia Strabo, please delete from the list
those names who are no longer in Nova Roma. Consider the possibility of
developing an Egressus Socci (Brotherhood Club), similar to the
Militarium Socci who would consist of anyone still interested in Roman
Egressus Ideas and Efforts, but who are unwilling to remain in Nova
Roma, for peronal reasons, and discuss your ideas with me.
I have, I know, been dillitory in this endeavor. I wish to apologize to
you, as I tend to get too involved in the Militarium and Politics. Such
was not my original intention. My thanks for staying with us and
creating such a lovely website for us to work with.
You will have recieved several forwards as a prelude to this message,
but which are a result of this message as it was being written.
Together, this message and the forwards should provide you with the
information that you have asked for, and the assignment of both yourself
and to the Egressus, with the idea that you will be able to add a
significant amount of material to the Egressus Website, and update the
websight as required. Master Sura has resigned from Nova Roma, but he
may well be interested in maintaining his involvement through a Socci
membership. The Section Manager for Italy, has been taken into his
country's military reserves,and while he may be out of touch for awhile
he should still be listed.
My thanks for your attention to this message, and my sincerest thanks
for a excellent job on the Egressus Website.
Respectfully and Sincerely
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Arts and Crafts |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:18:08 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- asseri@-------- wrote:
> In a message dated 12/24/01 4:45:29 PM US Eastern
> Standard Time,
> esteves@-------- writes:
>
>
> > Is there any sodalitas for such
> make-it-yourself-like-the-romans-did thing?
> >
> > Valete
> >
> > Titus Horatius Atticus
> >
> >
> Salvete,
> I fear there is not such a group at this time
> or if there is I have
> missed it. Though many of us to make things and
> are always experimenting .
> By my own inclination I am a crafter of various
> mediums , I love to make a
> mess for a good cause! Truely I would very much
> like to discuss theses
> aspects of Nova Roma .
>
> Is there interest in this beside we two?
>
> Prima Fabia Drusila
Salvete,
If you check my website from the Macellum I think you
will find there is. http://www.octavia.20m.com
Currently, I am working on an Egyptian project,
however, I also creat shrines and carvings with ROman
subject matter.
Vale, Maximina Octavia
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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