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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
From:	Quintus Cornelius Caesar <qccaesar@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:07:45 -0800 (PST)

Ave,
I'm sorry but knowing what that work is like I
don't think I could defeat the boredom of it to read
it again....willingly
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
--- Caius Cornelius Puteanus <puteus@-------->
wrote:
> Ave Frater,
>
> I happen to have On Obligations on my desk for
> reading during these
> holidays! Fortunately, I never had to read Plato's
> Republic in its full
> extent! But, hey, that's how to become a man: defeat
> the "Idea" that it is
> boring! ;-)
>
> Vale optime in pace deorum!
>
> Caius Cornelius Puteanus
> Lictor
> Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
> Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia Romana
> Antiqua et Nova
> Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris
> Europaeque Occidentalis
> Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae
> Inferioris
> http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
> http://www.geocities.com/puteanus/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Loughlin" <qccaesar@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 7:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
>
>
> > Ave,
> > Cicero is great in my opinion. I personally
> like
> > his work "On Obligations". Sometimes I think it
> can
> > get dry but for the most part it keeps my
> attention.
> > When I had to read Plato's republic for a
> Political
> > Theory class I just wanted to die and end the
> misery.
> > That book bored me to death.
> > vale,
> > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> > --- Caius Cornelius Puteanus <puteus@-------->
> > wrote:
> > > Salve Frater Quinte Cornelie Caesar!
> > >
> > > I haven't read Caesaer's De bello Civile yet
> > > (actually, I did, but it's too
> > > long ago). What do you think of Cicero? His
> writings
> > > are impressive, both in
> > > numbers and ideas, but his style isn't really
> > > pleasant to read nowadays. The
> > > conversations he uses to make his point actually
> > > give various ideas and
> > > opinions (which is an asset of course), but they
> > > don't add to the clarity of
> > > the work...
> > >
> > > Vale optime in pace deorum!
> > >
> > > Caius Cornelius Puteanus
> > > Lictor
> > > Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
> > > Scriba Explorator Academiae Thules ad Studia
> Romana
> > > Antiqua et Nova
> > > Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae
> Inferioris
> > > Europaeque Occidentalis
> > > Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae
> > > Inferioris
> > > http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
> > > http://www.geocities.com/puteanus/
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Loughlin" <qccaesar@-------->
> > > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 6:40 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ave,
> > > > Well I at least thought by the time I had
> > > > completed the "Meditations" I had been
> > > "enlightened"
> > > > some by the end. If you look closely some of
> his
> > > > thoughts provide sound advice even in the
> > > contemporary
> > > > world. Caesar's "Civil War" how is that?
> I've
> > > seen
> > > > it numerous times in the book store but have
> never
> > > > gotten around to buying it. Been too busy
> buying
> > > and
> > > > reading the writings of Cicero.
> > > > vale,
> > > > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> > > > --- "rapax@--------"
> > > <rapax@-------->
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve..
> > > > > 'The Meditations' was on my list after
> > > Caesar's
> > > > > 'Civil War'!
> > > > > And since you've said that it can make
> me a
> > > > > better person,maybe I
> > > > > should change
> > > > > the order !
> > > > > Thanks for the advice..
> > > > > Vale...
> > > > > Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Ave,
> > > > > > I personally found the "Meditations"
> of
> > > Marcus
> > > > > >Aurelius to be intellectually stimulating.
> > > Though
> > > > > >they are not historical in context I think
> the
> > > > > reader
> > > > > >leaves a better person after reading the
> text.
> > > As
> > > > > >well I think you can also find some of the
> best
> > > > > quotes
> > > > > >and advice in the "Meditations." In regards
> to
> > > the
> > > > > >historical I think the writings of Cicero
> are
> > > very
> > > > > >good and interesting. I haven't finished
> > > reading
> > > > > his
> > > > > >material yet so I am not inclined to
> comment
> > > > > further.
> > > > > > vale,
> > > > > > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The greatness of Rome!
From:	Quintus Cornelius Caesar <qccaesar@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:10:00 -0800 (PST)

Ave,
nice quotes there is one from the Meditations I
like I can't seem to find it at this time but when I
do I'll directly quote it but it can be pretty much
summed up by the statement of do what you know
vale
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
--- "rapax@--------" <rapax@-------->
wrote:
>
>
> Salve...
> Caesar's 'Civil War' you can take a look at it
> here...
> www.mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/caesar/CAECIV01.HTM
> I can say that whatever Caesar had
> written,I'll buy!I've some
> quotations taken from
> Marcus Aurelius and they are surely
> 'enlightening'
> Such as 'The happiness of your life depends on
> the quality of your
> thoughts.
> Therefore guard accordingly and take care that
> you entertain no notions
> unsuitable
> to virtue and reasonable nature.'
> 'All things are the same -familiar
> enterprises momentary
> in endurance ,
> coarse in substance.All things now are as they
> were in the day of those
> whom we
> have buried.'
> And one of my favourites ' You've
> embarked ,you've made
> the voyage,you
> have come to the shore ; get out!'
> If other cives here have their favourite
> quotations I'd like to
> hear and add them
> to my notes...
> Vale...
> Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
>
>
> >Ave,
> > Well I at least thought by the time I had
> >completed the "Meditations" I had been
> "enlightened"
> >some by the end. If you look closely some of his
> >thoughts provide sound advice even in the
> contemporary
> >world. Caesar's "Civil War" how is that? I've
> seen
> >it numerous times in the book store but have never
> >gotten around to buying it. Been too busy buying
> and
> >reading the writings of Cicero.
> > vale,
> > Quintus Cornelius Caesar
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Common Law in NR?
From:	Quintus Cornelius Caesar <qccaesar@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:13:41 -0800 (PST)

Ave
I was mainly speaking from a standpoint of the US
criminal justice system....my mistake
vale
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
--- Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites; et salve, Q. Corneli.
>
> --- Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> wrote:
> > Ave,
> > Just to clarify one thing in modern judicial
> > systems Judges do use common law to make their
> > decisions....
>
> In *some* modern judicial systems; mainly those of
> Anglo-Saxon nations.
> In many other nations, English common law is not a
> source of
> legislation. In fact, many nations take their legal
> source from Roman
> law itself.
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Historical enquiry
From:	"jamie_k_johnston" <james.johnston@-------->
Date:	Thu, 27 Dec 2001 00:55:30 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@h...> wrote:

> May we know your citizen name in Nova Roma, please?

I am in fact not a citizen but what you might call a metic... though
I'm considering applying for citizenship.

I hope my non-citizen status won't discourage anyone from helping me
in my researches. In case it does, let me try to give some points in
my favour:

For a character witness I can offer Gaia Claudia Lucentia Livia;
for official backing I hope the consuls and consuls-elect will agree
that they have given me permission and encouragement to undertake the
project;
as to my ability to do the job, I can only say that there are
probably citizens better-qualified, but as a student of Ancient &
Modern History (specialising in Roman and Late Antique history) at
Somerville College, Oxford (UK), I'm being taught by some of the best
historians around, and I hope I've been learning something. :)

If you want to check up on me, or if you have information you're
uncertain about passing on, feel free to contact Livia or to check
with the consuls.

Jamie


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Historical enquiry
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:40:08 -0500

Salve,

In the interest of being correct, when you state:

>>for official backing I hope the consuls and consuls-elect will agree
that they have given me permission and encouragement to undertake the
project;>>

that is not *entirely* true. I can only speak for Flavius Vedius Germanicus
<and do so with his permission here> but he has not given any sort of
permission on the matter. That is not to say that Cassius, Marcus Octavius
and Sulla have not all endorsed your idea, but to say that the current
Consuls have both done so is inaccurate.

On a separate but related note, I would be curious to know what drew you to
make such an offer. You are not a citizen, and there is no insult or attack
meant by that observation, so it rather surprises me that someone who is not
even a member of our nation would offer to undertake such a huge task for
our benefit. As I said, I am simply curious and would very much enjoy
hearing how you came to this decision.

My thanks in advance.

Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonis
Lictor


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Request/challenge for the coming year
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Dec 2001 22:33:27 -0500

Salve,

I too would like to publicly show my support for this idea. It would be a
great resource and improve sales. I picked up a number of classical writings
in the pass few days. I am currently reading Moralia by Plutarchus. So far,
I am greatly enjoying it. I would gladly contribute reviews and offer my
aide in organising this as an aedile of Nova Roma.

Vale,

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Aedile Curule Elect
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--

>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix at alexious@-------- wrote:

> Ave,
>
> As many of you know beginning in January I will be Consul for the coming
> year with my colleague M. Octavius Germancius. One of my goals for the
> coming year is to get this list a bit more active. So, I would like to
> challenge you all with something. As you know we have a relationship
> with Amazon.com in the purchasing of books. I would like to have a list
> of books to add that would assist learning about the Muses and at the
> same time I would like to develop book reviews from books that you have
> read. These reviews would be available at the website so that other
> citizens will be able to review them and assist them if they are
> interested in making purchases. And, I would hope that our Aediles
> could even make a contest out of this and maybe reward (monthly or so)
> the best book review they would get a small prize or something?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Historical enquiry
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:34:50 -0500

Salve,

Historically, the aediles managed the official archives and records in Rome.
I believe this would also cover the management of state annals. I hope that
this duty could be given back to our office in the comming year. Although, I
am not in the position to write the records myself.

If you are having difficulty with gathering the resources, I would be more
than happy to help you out in the new year. I am sure the other aediles
would also be as enthusiastic as I am. Feel free to email me privately if
you require anything, I will do my best to get it to you.

It would be good to have a few different versions of our history. This
activity could possibly make a good contest for a ludi celebration...

Vale,

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Aedile Curule Elect
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--

>James Johnston at james.johnston@-------- wrote:
>
> I recently contacted the consuls and consuls-elect to offer to write a
> narrative annalistic history of Nova Roma, to supplement the useful but rather
> dry annals currently available.
>
> The consuls encouraged and approved the enterprise, and since then I have been
> engaged in research in the archives of this list and the list of laws, &c.
>
> Inevitably the selection of evidence publicly available contains gaps, and I
> am appealing to anyone who has any additional archives, documents or other
> evidence, or who would be interested in recounting to me some of their
> memories and experiences of the time since the founding of the city, or who
> has any suggestions for other sources of evidence, to contact me (privately,
> so as not to clog up this list) at james.johnston@--------


Subject:	[novaroma] Gens Claudia Lucentia -- any signs of life?
From:	"Rachel" <racheledugdale@-------->
Date:	Thu, 27 Dec 2001 06:21:09 -0000

Ave,

I'm trying to find out whether any other members of my gens (Claudia
Lucentia) are actually active. I'd like to get to know anyone who is -
please feel free to email me privately at racheledugdale@--------, or
drop in to the chat room, where I'm spending a fair amount of time lately
(mostly late at night, GMT).

Sorry to bother everyone else with this, but I feel it's important to get in
contact with any active family members, and all the email addresses are
private.

Valete,

Livia.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Common Law in NR?
From:	labienus@--------
Date:	Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:33:41 US/Central

Salve Quinte Corneli

> T. Labienus Fortunatus, you said "Precedents can
> serve as a guide for interpreting the law, but they
> cannot ever establish it." Now my question is this: If
> a magistrate uses a precedent as a guide to interpret
> the law he by using that precedent to arrive at a
> decision, sets a standard. So in essence by your own
> words quoted above wouldn't that precedent make law by
> the establishment of a standard?

No. A precedent is a guide which may be put aside due to the circumstances of
a case or the whim of a judge. The dictates of a law may not be ignored.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	[novaroma] Fw: Greek Mythology Theme Park near Athens [Yahoo! Clubs: Imperial Rome]
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:05:17 -0800

I thought this might be of interest.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: "presencefromthepast" <yahoo-dev-null@-------->
To: <alexious@-------->
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 12:02 PM
Subject: Greek Mythology Theme Park near Athens [Yahoo! Clubs: Imperial
Rome]

> Whoa! The Greeks are getting into the "theme" park business too it seems.
It is apparently scheduled to open by 2006 in time for the Olympic Games in
Athens. Check it out:
>
> http://www.ekathimerini.com/news/content.asp?aid=104428
>
> - Libitina
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