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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] apologies
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:05:50 +0000 (GMT)

Salve, Armini.

--- M Arminius Maior <marminius@--------> wrote: > Salvete Quirites
>
> I apologize for posting a private message in the main
> list.
>
> Valete
> Marcus Arminius

No problem. We all make this kind of mistakes very often :-).

Besides, I had been thinking about e-mailing you, so you have saved me
the effort :-).

You are right. We will have to announce the election of the new three
tribunes. I think we should wait until being officially in office, so I
would say that we can announce it from next week onwards. A good time
to hold the Comitia would be on the third week of January, to leave
time for candidates to show up :-).

I wanted to discuss a few more things with you, if you don't mind. This
year, tribunes can propose legislation directly to the Comitia Populi
Triuta, and I think we should try to take advantage of this and have an
active term of office. A few ideas that have been roaming around my
head are:

* Change the name of the Comitia Plebis Tributa to the more
historically appropriate of Concilium Plebis, and leave the Comitia
Populi Tributa as the Comitia Tributa.

* Reestablish the historical prohibitions to cumulatio, prorogatio and
continuatio, providing provisions for the case in which there are not
enough candidates for a particular office.

* Create collegia as a complement to our current sodalitates. Collegia
would cover narrower interests (like, for example, Roman
craftmanships), and would have a more standardized organization.

* Reform the Comitia Centuriata to make it more "democratic". This
would include a legally guided (versus a censor decided) allocation of
citizens to centuries, and a variation of the number of centuries per
class, with perhaps an exploration of an alternative centuries system,
based on the late Republican reforms.

What do you think, collega?

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Arts and Crafts-list questions
From:	asseri@--------
Date:	Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:23:11 EST

<< I would also be interested. My girlfriend's daughter is just getting into
"crafts" and I would like to show her some of the history and give her a
Roman avenue for creation.

Pax.
mTv>>
Salvete,
Well there is two of us. Arts and crafts make life more comfortable.
There is so many ways to apply that term. I like to fuss about and experiment
with lots of mediums. I would like to apply more of them to NR
Is there a procedure about unoffical lists for NR interests. Please
who do I go to with theses questions?

Valete
Prima Fabia Drusila

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] apologies
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@-------->
Date:	Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:05:23 -0800

Avete Omnes,

As future incoming Consul, I would like to comment on some of this
agenda.

Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:

>
> * Change the name of the Comitia Plebis Tributa to the more
> historically appropriate of Concilium Plebis, and leave the Comitia
> Populi Tributa as the Comitia Tributa.
>

Sulla: This would require a Constitutional change. This would mean
summoning the Comita Centuriata to a vote. This is outside of the
powers of the Tribune of hte Plebs. Based on the Constitution of Nova
Roma.

>
> * Reestablish the historical prohibitions to cumulatio, prorogatio and
>
> continuatio, providing provisions for the case in which there are not
> enough candidates for a particular office.
>
> * Create collegia as a complement to our current sodalitates. Collegia
>
> would cover narrower interests (like, for example, Roman
> craftmanships), and would have a more standardized organization.
>
> * Reform the Comitia Centuriata to make it more "democratic". This
> would include a legally guided (versus a censor decided) allocation of
>
> citizens to centuries, and a variation of the number of centuries per
> class, with perhaps an exploration of an alternative centuries system,
>
> based on the late Republican reforms.
>

Sulla: This final one you do not have jurisdiction to legislation.
Tribunes of the Plebs can currently only summon the Comita Plebis
Tributa. And according to the Constitution III.B it states. " The
comitia centuriata (Assembly of Centuries) shall be made up of all of
the citizens, grouped into their respective centuries. While it shall be
called to order by either a consul or a praetor, only the comitia
centuriata shall pass laws governing the rules by which it shall operate
internally. It shall have the following powers:

To enact laws binding upon the entire citizenry;
To elect the consuls, praetors, and censors;
To try legal cases in which the defendant is subject to permanent
removal of citizenship."

Based on the Constitution of Nova Roma, Tribunes have no power to
legislation/summon or change the workings of the Comitia Centuriata.
However, my colleage and I would be more than willing to listen to your
suggestions. Please feel free to email me privately.

Very Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

>
> What do you think, collega?
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Absentia
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@-------->
Date:	Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:39:31 +0100

Franciscus Apulus Caesar omnibus S.P.D.

For the end of the years I'll go in Rome, our big capital, at 31/12 and
01/01.
So, I'll absent to the chat of the 1st January 2755 and I'll present my Oath
as Quaestor 2nd January.
I hope you could forgive me, I'm very sorry for my first absence and I
promise to start my work as soon as possible.

Happy new 2755!

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Soon Quaestor
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia
Alme Sol ... Possis Nihil Urbe Roma Visere Maius
Support me as Propraetor Italiae Provinciae
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] apologies
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:35:39 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, censor Sulla.

--- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> wrote: >
Avete Omnes,
>
> As future incoming Consul, I would like to comment on some of this
> agenda.
>
> Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:
>
> >
> > * Change the name of the Comitia Plebis Tributa to the more
> > historically appropriate of Concilium Plebis, and leave the Comitia
> > Populi Tributa as the Comitia Tributa.
>
> Sulla: This would require a Constitutional change. This would mean
> summoning the Comita Centuriata to a vote. This is outside of the
> powers of the Tribune of hte Plebs. Based on the Constitution of
> Nova
> Roma.

This is indeed correct. I have a few clarifications to make.

These are just ideas, and I posted them here to receive feedback from
all you, citizens. As censor Sulla has pointed out (he asked me if I
wanted his response to be private; a tactful attitude that I have to
commend), it would be illegal for the tribunes to propose this (and
other issues on my list) directly to the comitia populi tributa. It has
never been my intention to do so. However, I wanted to share a few
ideas with you all, to see if a future consul finds them worthy (hint!
hint!) :-).

So please, do not get too nervous on this. I do not intend to violate
our constitutions. In fact, my intention is to defend it!

> >
> > * Reestablish the historical prohibitions to cumulatio, prorogatio
> and
> >
> > continuatio, providing provisions for the case in which there are
> not
> > enough candidates for a particular office.
> >
> > * Create collegia as a complement to our current sodalitates.
> Collegia
> >
> > would cover narrower interests (like, for example, Roman
> > craftmanships), and would have a more standardized organization.
> >
> > * Reform the Comitia Centuriata to make it more "democratic". This
> > would include a legally guided (versus a censor decided) allocation
> of
> >
> > citizens to centuries, and a variation of the number of centuries
> per
> > class, with perhaps an exploration of an alternative centuries
> system,
> >
> > based on the late Republican reforms.
> >
>
> Sulla: This final one you do not have jurisdiction to legislation.
> Tribunes of the Plebs can currently only summon the Comita Plebis
> Tributa. And according to the Constitution III.B it states. " The
> comitia centuriata (Assembly of Centuries) shall be made up of all of
> the citizens, grouped into their respective centuries. While it shall
> be
> called to order by either a consul or a praetor, only the comitia
> centuriata shall pass laws governing the rules by which it shall
> operate
> internally. It shall have the following powers:
>
> To enact laws binding upon the entire citizenry;
> To elect the consuls, praetors, and censors;
> To try legal cases in which the defendant is subject to permanent
> removal of citizenship."
>
> Based on the Constitution of Nova Roma, Tribunes have no power to
> legislation/summon or change the workings of the Comitia Centuriata.
> However, my colleage and I would be more than willing to listen to
> your
> suggestions. Please feel free to email me privately.

Correct. Same as above. And I am afraid to say that you *will* receive
private mailing from me on this subjects <wink> :-).

Anyone else has any comments on these suggestions?

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: apologies
From:	"lsicinius" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:43:29 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

I think that this is something that our Tribunes and Consuls can work
on in the comming year, and I hope that our incoming Magistrates can
establish as good a working relationship as our outgoing Tribune and
Consuls enjoyed.

Valete,
L. Sicinius Drusus

--- In novaroma@--------, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites; et salve, censor Sulla.
>
> --- Lucius Corn--------s Sulla F-------- <al--------us@--------> wrot--------gt;
> Avete Omnes,
> >
> > As future incoming Consul, I would like to comment on some of this
> > agenda.
> >
> > Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > * Change the name of the Comitia Plebis Tributa to the more
> > > historically appropriate of Concilium Plebis, and leave the Comitia
> > > Populi Tributa as the Comitia Tributa.
> >
> > Sulla: This would require a Constitutional change. This would mean
> > summoning the Comita Centuriata to a vote. This is outside of the
> > powers of the Tribune of hte Plebs. Based on the Constitution of
> > Nova
> > Roma.
>
> This is indeed correct. I have a few clarifications to make.
>
> These are just ideas, and I posted them here to receive feedback from
> all you, citizens. As censor Sulla has pointed out (he asked me if I
> wanted his response to be private; a tactful attitude that I have to
> commend), it would be illegal for the tribunes to propose this (and
> other issues on my list) directly to the comitia populi tributa. It has
> never been my intention to do so. However, I wanted to share a few
> ideas with you all, to see if a future consul finds them worthy (hint!
> hint!) :-).
>
> So please, do not get too nervous on this. I do not intend to violate
> our constitutions. In fact, my intention is to defend it!
>
> > >
> > > * Reestablish the historical prohibitions to cumulatio, prorogatio
> > and
> > >
> > > continuatio, providing provisions for the case in which there are
> > not
> > > enough candidates for a particular office.
> > >
> > > * Create collegia as a complement to our current sodalitates.
> > Collegia
> > >
> > > would cover narrower interests (like, for example, Roman
> > > craftmanships), and would have a more standardized organization.
> > >
> > > * Reform the Comitia Centuriata to make it more "democratic". This
> > > would include a legally guided (versus a censor decided) allocation
> > of
> > >
> > > citizens to centuries, and a variation of the number of centuries
> > per
> > > class, with perhaps an exploration of an alternative centuries
> > system,
> > >
> > > based on the late Republican reforms.
> > >
> >
> > Sulla: This final one you do not have jurisdiction to legislation.
> > Tribunes of the Plebs can currently only summon the Comita Plebis
> > Tributa. And according to the Constitution III.B it states. " The
> > comitia centuriata (Assembly of Centuries) shall be made up of all of
> > the citizens, grouped into their respective centuries. While it shall
> > be
> > called to order by either a consul or a praetor, only the comitia
> > centuriata shall pass laws governing the rules by which it shall
> > operate
> > internally. It shall have the following powers:
> >
> > To enact laws binding upon the entire citizenry;
> > To elect the consuls, praetors, and censors;
> > To try legal cases in which the defendant is subject to permanent
> > removal of citizenship."
> >
> > Based on the Constitution of Nova Roma, Tribunes have no power to
> > legislation/summon or change the workings of the Comitia Centuriata.
> > However, my colleage and I would be more than willing to listen to
> > your
> > suggestions. Please feel free to email me privately.
>
> Correct. Same as above. And I am afraid to say that you *will* receive
> private mailing from me on this subjects <wink> :-).
>
> Anyone else has any comments on these suggestions?
>
> =====
> Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
> Gnaeus Salix Astur.
> Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
> Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
> Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
> Lictor Curiatus.
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: 12 tabulae
From:	"Julilla" <curatrix@-------->
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:43:54 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@h...> wrote:
> Avete omnes!
>
> Anybody know where I could find what is left of the text of the 12
tables online?
>
> Thanks a lot for helping me out!
>
> Vale bene!
>
> Caius Cornelius Puteanus
> www.geocities.com/puteanus/
> www.geocities.com/Germania_Inferior/

Salve, Cai Corneli! Here you are:
http://members.aol.com/pilgrimjon/private/LEX/12tables.html

This excellent site is maintained by my good amicus, Anticus
Cornelius, and comes highly recommended. I hope the information
posted is helpful to you!

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curatror Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: 12 tabulae
From:	"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:52:37 +0100

Salve Honourable Julila!

This is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks again!

Vale bene!

Caius Cornelius Puteanus
www.geocities.com/puteanus/
www.geocities.com/Germania_Inferior/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julilla" <curatrix@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 2:43 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: 12 tabulae

> --- In novaroma@--------, "Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@h...> wrote:
> > Avete omnes!
> >
> > Anybody know where I could find what is left of the text of the 12
> tables online?
> >
> > Thanks a lot for helping me out!
> >
> > Vale bene!
> >
> > Caius Cornelius Puteanus
> > www.geocities.com/puteanus/
> > www.geocities.com/Germania_Inferior/
>
> Salve, Cai Corneli! Here you are:
> http://members.aol.com/pilgrimjon/private/LEX/12tables.html
>
> This excellent site is maintained by my good amicus, Anticus
> Cornelius, and comes highly recommended. I hope the information
> posted is helpful to you!
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
> Scriba, Nova Roma Curatror Araneae
> Curatrix Araneae,
> America Boreoccidentalis
> http://ambor.konoko.net
>
>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] 12 tabulae
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@-------->
Date:	Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:26:18 -0500

Salvete C Corneli et alii

Try this url:

http://users.ipa.net/~tanker/tables.htm

Valete

C Marius Merullus

:
:Anybody know where I could find what is left of the text of the 12 tables
:online?
:
:Thanks a lot for helping me out!
:
:Vale bene!


Subject:	[novaroma] New Website
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:40:20 -0500

Salvete cives et amici,

I have completely redesigned the gens Claudia website. You can visit the
site at:

http://www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/

If any Claudii read this message please contact me through the message board
at this site. It would be nice if we could restart some communication going
on between us.

Valete,

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Aedile Curule Elect
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--


Subject:	[novaroma] Bienvenido Publius Quintus Ajutor / Welcome / Maximo gaudio te accipio
From:	"luciuspompeius" <danielovi@-------->
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 05:58:24 -0000

Have a warm welcome new citizen of provincia Argentina Publi Quinte
Ajutor!

Quiero darte la m�s c�lida bienvenida nuevo ciudadano de provincia
Argentina Publi Quinte Ajutor!

Maximo gaudio te accipio novissimus civis novaromanus argentinianus
Publi Quinte Ajutor

Cura ut valeas
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] RUNOFF ELECTION RESULTS
From:	Maximina Octavia <myownq@-------->
Date:	Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:12:08 -0800 (PST)

Salvete,

Congratulations everyone! It was close and all of you
were worthy candidates.

I am certain that we have a wonderful year ahead!

Vale bene, and Happy New Year, Maximina Octavia

--- cassius622@-------- wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Here are the results of the runoff elections for
> Praetor and Quaestor.
>
> We have one Praetor and two Quaestors elected;
> unfortunately this leaves us
> with only one elected Praetor. This will require a
> *second* runoff election
> after the first of the year, of course that election
> must be conducted by our
> incoming Consuls.
>
> No doubt the last runoff election for Praetor will
> be easy enough to get
> through... and hopefully the election system can be
> modified somewhat so that
> these runoff elections are not needed next year.
>
> My thanks to the Rogators for their hard work, and
> to the Citizens that
> voted. Congratulations to the winners; I'm sure you
> will do wonderfully!
>
>
>
> ELECTION RESULTS:
>
> C Centuriata (132 centuries voted, need half + one)
> * Praetor
> - Pompeia Cornelia Strabo 72
> - Titus Labienus Fortunatus 52 (50 + 2 tied ones,
> decided upon by lot
> between TLF and QFM since both are pater familias)
> - Quintus Fabius Maximus 39 (37 + 2 tied ones,
> decided upon by lot between
> TLF and QFM since both are pater familias)
> The vote for Gaius Geminus Germanius is invalid,
> since he doesn't qualify
> for the office of Praetor
> => Pompeia Cornelia wins
>
> C Populi
> * Rogator (35 tribes voted, need half + one)
> - M. Bianchius Antonius 13 + 4 cast by lot
> - P. Domitianus Artorius Longinus 12 + 6 cast by lot
> => P. Domitianus wins
>
> * Quaestor (35 voted, need half + one)
> G. Minucius Hadrianus 32
> G. Popilius Laenas 28
> G. Geminus Germanus 1 cast by lot (since both GPL
> and GGG are pater
> familias)
> => both G. Minucius and G. Popilius win
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Consul
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Cicero De Officiis
From:	"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:12:10 +0100

Salvete Academici!
Salvete Quirites!

I have just finished a new text about Cicero. This is just anither one
linked to our research at the virtutes. All texts and essays related to
history and philosophy can be found at:

www.geocities.com/puteanus/essays.html

Cicero's text can be found at:

www.geocities.com/puteanus/officiis.html

Enjoy!

Vale bene!

Caius Cornelius Puteanus
www.geocities.com/puteanus/
www.geocities.com/Germania_Inferior/


Subject:	[novaroma] Tribune's Announcement of Senate Agenda
From:	labienus@--------
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:47:56 US/Central

Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Fortunatus Quiritibus SPD

Consul Vedius has convened the Senate, and Consul-elect Octavius has agreed to
continue the session into the new year. I apologize for the tardiness of this
announcement; my recent travels interfered heavily with my ability to reliably
receive and send e-mail.

The timing and agenda of the current Senate session are as follows:

Debate on the agenda began 11 PM Roma time ante diem IV Kalendas Ianuarias
MMDCCLIV (Dec 29, 2001), and will end 11 PM Roma time a d IV Non Ian MMDCCLV
(Jan 2, 2002). Voting shall extend from that time until 11 PM Roma time pr Non
Ian MMDCCLV (Jan 4, 2002).

The items for consideration are as follows:
(Note that these items are currently being discussed, and have not yet been
voted on. They are therefore not yet in effect.)

-----

Item I. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Correctione Incorporatonis

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described by the Lex Vedia de
Correctione Incorporatonis, which was passed by the Comitia Centuriata in
October 2001, are hereby ratified. The copy of the Constitution as maintained
in the Tabularium section of the Novaroma.org website shall be updated
accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this measure.]

-----

Item II. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Provinciis

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described by the Lex Vedia de
Provinciis, which was passed by the Comitia Centuriata in October 2001, are
hereby ratified. The copy of the Constitution as maintained in the Tabularium
section of the Novaroma.org website shall be updated accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this measure.]

-----

Item III. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Tribuni

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described by the Lex Vedia de
Tribuni, which was passed by the Comitia Centuriata in December 2001, are
hereby ratified. The copy of the Constitution as maintained in the Tabularium
section of the Novaroma.org website shall be updated accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this measure.]

-----

Item IV. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Liberus Civium

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described by the Lex Vedia de
Liberus Civium, which was passed by the Comitia Centuriata in December 2001,
are hereby ratified. The copy of the Constitution as maintained in the
Tabularium section of the Novaroma.org website shall be updated accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this measure.]

-----

Item V. Modification of Senatus Consultum on Taxation

Whereas it has been determined that requiring bonding for those individuals
entrusted to handle official funds is too expensive to undertake under our
current circumstances, paragraph IV.B. of the Senatus Consultum on Taxation
(passed in July 2001), which requires all appointed publicanii to be so bonded,
is hereby eliminated from that Senatus Consultum.

-----

Item VI. Nomination of Priscilla Vedia Serena

The Censores are hereby notified that, in accordance with the Lex Vedia
Senatoria, Priscilla Vedia Serena, in recognition of her service to the
Republic as Curatrix Sermo and her long-standing dedication and involvement in
Nova Roman affairs since its inception, is hereby nominated for inclusion in
the Senate.

-----

Item VII. Nomination of Caius Fabius Quintilianus

The Censores are hereby notified that, in accordance with the Lex Vedia
Senatoria, Caius Fabius Quintilianus, in recognition of his service to the
Republic as an outstanding and extraordinarily active Governor of Provincia
Thule, is hereby nominated for inclusion in the Senate.

[Tribune's note: The governor of Provincia Thule is actually Caeso Fabius
Quintillianus. Such minor discrepancies have not interfered with the Senate's
ability to debate and vote upon items in the past, so this one is unlikely to
cause a problem.]

-----

Valete


Subject:	[novaroma] Crafts
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:21:41 -0500 (EST)

I don't know if anyone considers the following to be "crafts" but I am
currently in the process of repairing and developing some wooden
practice swords for the Gladitorial School. I have completed repairing
a Gladius, and am in the proces of developing another Gladius and a
German Long Sword. I have plans to develp also a Spanish Falcata. I
have made two slings, and have been practising with them, so I will not
kill myself when demonstrating to others (Grin!!!!).

I am planning to make some primitive arrows and a shoulder quiver of
leather to hold them in. I am also interested in a leather pouch to
hold slinger stones and lead bullets. I am also interested in
converting a modern wooden bow into a suitable bow for display and
demonstration in a Roman Camp. It has been suggested that I consider
sewing the bow up in rawhide, but I am not sure what that would do to
the bows ability to flex properly.

I have a model of the "Caesar" (warship) on the model table as well as a
model of a Roman Catapult. Both of these are model kits. Last year the
Legion VI Commander and I were building a Roman Wooden Bridge from
scratch, but the car accident in Sept, saw it smashed, so I am in the
process of rebuilding it. A friend of mine is building a primative
wooden signal tower for me as well.

In addition I am also looking for some kind of pattern for a jig, to
make Roman Palisade Stakes, to supplement the Palisade Stakes provided
by the Commander of the XXIVth Legion when the Gladitorial School and
the XXIVth Legion appear together. The idea would be to surround the
camp with these stakes.

I am also working up a design for a wax tablet, and various items which
would be found in a Senator's Field Camp for Reenactment.

I am researching the meaning of the "signum" and the "vexillum" in
relation to the appearance of a Senator in the field, if there is such a
relation. A brief example provided in the book "The Roman Imperial
Army"--Graham Webster indicates that there were official staves denoting
the rank held by an individual:
---------------------------------------------------------------
"Under the heading of ensigns and insignia might also be included the
official staves denoting the rank held. A "beneficarius" for example,
on official business bore the authority he derived as a agent of the
officer he served. His ensign is shown on a relief on an altar erected
byTertinius Severus of VIII "Augusta", a "beneficarius consularis." (1)
It consisted of a disc with two circular holes in it and a projecting
spike, very similar to the actual example found in Germany. (2) Another
of a very different form, but in silver, comes from Caerleon. (3)

(1)--CIL. (Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum) xiii, 7731; the stone is in
the Mus'ee de Lie'ge.

(2)--Germania Romana, 1922, Taf. 94, No. 7. See also A. Alfoldi, "Vom
Speerattribut der altromishen Konige zu den Benefiziarierlanzen", in
"Limes-Studien," Basel, 1959, pp 7-12; E. Ritterling, "Ein Amtsabzeichen
der beneficarii consularis im Museum zu Weisbaden" BJ (Bonner
Jahrbucher) 125 (1919), pp. 9-37.

(3)--From the 1928 excavations in the School Field in insula XIX
("Arch. Camb." {Archaeologia Cambrensis} 113 (1957); "Isca", 1972, p. 67
and Fig. 38"
-------------------------------------------------------------
I have at the moment enough rough camp furniture and some lamps and a
chest, which serves to do a fair job of portraying a Senator's camp=fly
at reenactment, but any fresh ideas, references, or pictures / drawings
which mght be suitable for such a reenactment portrayal would be of
interest to me.

Respectfully Submitted;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Crafts
From:	asseri@--------
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:46:54 EST


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Crafts -oops
From:	asseri@--------
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:50:56 EST

Sorry all,
the cat jump on the key board before I could do a thing in reply.

Pardon
Prima Fabia Drusila.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Crafts
From:	asseri@--------
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:17:08 EST

In a message dated 12/31/01 1:23:25 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
jmath669642reng@-------- writes:

> I have at the moment enough rough camp furniture and some lamps and a
> chest, which serves to do a fair job of portraying a Senator's camp=fly
> at reenactment, but any fresh ideas, references, or pictures / drawings
> which might be suitable for such a reenactment portrayal would be of
> interest to me.
>
> Respectfully Submitted;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
>

Salve,
A wonderful and amazing array of projects. I would say "crafts " for
sure. I was wondering what touch of home a Senator on Campaign may have with
him?

Of course many people are fascinated by personal care items, which
would be olive oils,strigils,tweezers, ointments, powders toothbrush, combs,
items like that.

If you use a light leather cover it might be all right or even making
decorative bands. In the SCA one gets pretty creative on covering mundane
materials. How much difference is a modern bow.

For the wax tablet I remember reading some place that the wax was
darkened to make the marks more visible. But for the life of me I can't
remember where I read it. I have seen them for sale at Pennsic ( avery large
SCA gathering). When I was in High school I made one using a slate chalk
board I bought at a craft store if that is any help.

Again impressive array of items. Just wonderful. Thanks for sharing.

P F Drusila

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: REH Roman Poem
From:	"gurupoetess" <SnarkMistress@-------->
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:22:53 -0000

---Ave,

I enjoyed this poem, very much so... Thank you Venii for posting it.

Vale,
R.Cornelia Aeternia

In novaroma@--------, Piparskeggr - Venator <catamount_grange@i...>
wrote:
> Salus et Fortuna Omnes,
>
> I found this in a search for other information on the American
author Robert E. Howard (best
> known for creating Conan). I think him quite a good poet.
>
> -A Song of the Legions-
>
> The crystal gong of the silence
> Shivers in shattered shards;
> And the marble hall re-echoes
> To the tread of the crested guards.
>
> Fingers pluck at the hangings,
> White in the purple gloam;
> Midnight lies with the sleepers
> In the pulsing heart of Rome.
>
> Rosy lips smile in slumber,
> Arms nestle bodies white--
> Rome in her silks and marbles
> Sleeps through the soft-lipped night.
>
> Echoing down the heather
> The restless trumpets call,
> Questioning each of the other
> Down the line of the winding Wall.
>
> Eyes strain hard in the darkness,
> To the pulse of an echo blown--
> Rome is of gold and iron
> But a soldier is flesh and bone.
>
> Fires in the hills are burning,
> To the far off throb of a drum;
> Through the ghostly waving heather
> What phantom figures come?
>
> Shadows or painted warriors?
> The death drums never cease.
> Stand to your watches, legion,
> That Rome may sleep in peace.
>
> Beacons burn in the towers,
> Eyes straining hard beside,
> Ears a-tune to the murmur,
> The sigh of each changing tide.
>
> Was that the shrill of a night bird
> Where the waves are grey as steel,
> Or the grind of a muffled oar-lock,
> The wash of a prowling keel?
>
> Drift wood or sword-fanged sea-wolves,
> Not yours is rest or ease;
> Stand to your watches, legion,
> That Rome may sleep in peace.
>
> - Robert E. Howard
>
> --
> =========================================
> In Amicus sub Fidelis
> - Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
> Cives Nova Romana et Paterfamilias
> Domus Familias
> http://www.geocities.com/gens_ulleria/index.html
>
> Known as Stafngr�mr Oxlegs by discerning Vikings,
> somewhere ,-)
>
> /}
> ��{X|:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>
> \}


Subject:	[novaroma] Happy New Year!!!
From:	"mariuscorneliusscipio" <nramos@-------->
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:56:53 -0000

Salvete Omnes!!!

May the New Year bring all your hopes, dreams and aspirations into
joyous being,
May the Gods and Goddesses of Roma look upon us all with favor,
May we embody the virtues in all our acts, our speech and in how we
treat one another,
and may Quirinus smile to see his children once more prospering.

Optime valete in pace Deorum, Amici!

Marius Cornelius Scipio


Subject:	[novaroma] Democracy vs. Republicanism aka the myth of 1/1 votes.
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <pokrock@-------->
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:20:37 -0000

Salve,

Interesting discussion about whether the Republic of Nova Roma is or
is not a democratic institution. Strictly speaking a republic is
not neccessarily a democracy. A republic is merely a government by
representatives even if those representatives are appointed by the
heirarchy of a politcal party or sole dictator without a democratic
vote of the people it is still a republic. (IE People's Republic of
China).

The biggest myth of democracy is the myth of 1/1 vote. The only
place I can think of off the top of my head where pure and true 1/1
vote democracy exists is in small New England town meetings where the
town budget, laws, political offices, moderator, ect are decided by
in a meeting of the people by vote. These town meetings are actually
interesting to watch as the town cranks attempt to slash the budget
($200 a year was good enough back in 1903, it's good enough now) the
pie in the sky liberals of the town want to rival the federal budget
and the common sense majority attempting to shout both sides down.
Suprisingly in the end it works.

Sorry for that little tangent, now back to the core subject. The
United States, is NOT a democracy, it is a federalist Republic,
Britian is NOT a democracy, it is a parliamentarian Republic, Italy
is NOT a democracy, it is also a parliamentarian Republic. The
point, there is no such thing as a truely democratic nation, it
would be entirely unworkable. As for the 1/1 vote myth; in the
United States (my macronation) my vote for my representative in
Congress is in reality only 1/435th of a vote (and is worth even less
since my representative is of the minority party). For President
my vote is only worth 1/44.8th of a vote in the Electorial College.
At least in Nova Roma when a law (lex) comes up to a vote I can vote
on that law directly rather than "trust" my representative to vote
for me (and more often than not he doesn't vote the way I would).
When in Nova Roma I vote for a Consular candidate I'm actually voting
for that candidate, not voting for someone to vote for the candidate
for me. It may come as a surprise to many Americans but the Electors
in the Electorial College are not constitutionally bound to vote
according to the will of the voters. In fact constitutionally there
is nothing that states that the Electors have to be chosen by a vote
of the people.

Pax for the New Year;

Quintus Cassius Calvus


Subject:	[novaroma] Home Items of a Senator on Campaign
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:32:55 -0500 (EST)

Mistress P.F. Drusila;

Well, Since I am a Military Man, my "Home Items" on Campaign would be
very modest. Even in the ancient world, leaders knew that the men loved
those who were able to exist pretty much as they did, and whatever extra
items were carried they should serve the legion as well as the
individual.

Since I am far from what you would call a "Dandy" my personal hygene kit
is minimal. I have a full sized beard, and so do not need a razor or
it's equivelent. A very sharp Pugio, honed carefully on a hard stone by
my military servant will do nicely for any needs along those lines.

A table or tables to display weapons, maps, and a few conviences, a
chair for me (bad back) and benches for my visitors. Lamps for light in
the evening and some good wine for the entertaining of the Gladiators,
and a small wooden chest with "gold coins" to pay the Gladiators and
give to those young people who practice at the "Training Butts." A
wooden Bowl for fruit and another for Bread, covered with linen cloth,
takes care of Breakfast and Lunch. A wooden platter for Roast Meat over
an open grill for supper completes the set, along with a silver goblet
for myself and pottery cups for my guests. A wooden bowl and a horn
spoon for the occasional soup of which I am very fond.

All the tables and benches are covered with with woolen cloaks and / or
modest tapestries of a pattern particularly of interest to me.

Perhaps a blank papryrus scroll for recording my thoughts while in the
marching camp, and others for reading or study. These may take some
time to collect!!!! Scrolls and Laurel Crowns for the victors in the
games and that about takes care of it. My dress is a Senatoial Tunic,
and when the ceremony is required a Senatorial Toga. Open Toe Red Boots
for the feet, and a leather belt with a Pugio. My Gladius and baldric
are hung nearby my chair. A leather pouch to have my Orderly carry
which has my wallet and money.

My long term camping days are long gone, so a weekend is the greatest
length of time, that I have to deal with. In my younger days I hiked
over the Willamette Range, and the Sierra Range as well as forays into
the Rockies. Some of my best outdoor memories are from the Wind River
Range, and from the Pyranees between Spain and France. However, now I
leave such things to the younger people.

As far as I can determine, a wooden bow is only different in the finish.
A light sanding of an existing bow, a couple of coats of boiled linseed
oil, and a leather grip with an "archers ring" and a linen bowstring is
all that is needed. Recurve bows seem to be the norm from the very
early Sythian Archers from the Greek Wars through the Early Roman
Empire. They were reinforced with horn on the inside of the bow, and
sinew on the outside.

The furniture is rough camp furniture which is a folding design, and
used by reenactors from the English Civil War to Spanish - American War
periods. There are those purists I, suppose, who will say that because
no camp tables have been discovered in marching camps then no furniture
can be allowed, but I personnally do not believe that senior Legion
Officers and Provincial Magistrates did not have something on which to
write, spread maps, and eat thier meals. Such was not, in my opinon,
the practical Roman view.

Respectfully Submitted;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum Aedilicium II about the Establishment of a "Cohors
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:32:29 +0100

Ex Officio Curile Aedile Caeso Fabius Q.

Edictum Aedilicium II about the Establishment of a "Cohors Aedilis Caeso
Fabius Q." (Aedilian Staff for C. Fabius Q.)

Since my election as Curule Aedile I need a personal Cohors Aedilis
(Aedilian staff). I would like to have a few specialized assistants on this
staff. I have found that a magistrate have a better chance of doing a good
job if he has competent assistants. My ambitions are that my term will be
looked upon as a successful one.

I. The Cohors will be divided into 1. one Ludi department (Festival and
games, mostly on the Internet), 2, one Concursus department, face to face
meetings, 3. one "Law department" mostly working with the juridical tasks
of the Aediles and 4. one "Investigational department" mostly working with
historical research and investigations of crimes

II. The staff will be constituted of (at least):

1. An assisting Quaestor: Who who will specialize in the Ludi (games) and
web activities instead of the economical assistans that I deem to be
minimal during this term.
2. a "Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Concursus": Aedilian Scriba
Speciaized in meetings
3. a "Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Iuridicialis Primus": First Aedilian
Scriba for Justice
4. a "Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Iuridicialis Secundus": Second
Aedilian Scriba for Justice
5. a "Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Investigator": Aedilian Scriba for
Inquiry

III. This Cohors shall assist me personally and deal only with me and each
other on a separate Cohors list on Yahoo. I will ask them for advice and I
will also ask for some practical help.

IV. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given January the 1st, in the year of the consulship of Marcus Octavius
Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, 2755 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Curule Aedile

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Curule Aedile designatus
still Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10


Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum Aedilicium III about the appointment of Scribae in
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:34:43 +0100

Ex Officio Senior Curule Aedile

Edictum Aedilicium III about the appointment of Scribae in "Cohors Aedilis
C. Fabius Q." (The Aedilian Staff of C. Fabius Q.) and the appointment of
an Assisting Quaestor to be active in this Cohors

I. I hereby appoint Honorable Caius Curius Saturninus "Scriba Aedilis
(Caeso Fabius Q.) Concursus" (Aedilian Scriba Speciaized in meetings).

II. I hereby appoint Honorable Gnaeus Equitius Marinus "Scriba Aedilis
(Caeso Fabius Q.) Iuridicialis Primus" (First Aedilian Scriba for Justice).

III. I hereby appoint Honorable Caius Puteus Germanicus "Scriba Aedilis
(Caeso Fabius Q.) Investigator" (Aedilian Scriba for Inquiry).

IV. I hereby appoint my assisting Quaestor Illustrus Franciscus Apulus
Caesar to be a member of my Cohors Aedilis.

V. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given January the 1st, in the year of the consulship of Marcus Octavius
Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, 2755 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Curule Aedile

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Curule Aedile designatus
still Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10


Subject:	[novaroma] The Curule Aedile Oath of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:34:52 +0100

On the Rostra:

I will do my utmost to recreate the office of Curule Aedile in Nova Roma as
it were in Roma Antiqua in all its splendor and seriousness. I will give
You pleasure and circenses. Citizens turn to me when it comes to minor
offences made in the marketplaces of Nova Roma! I will see to it that You
will get justice and the "panem of life" in fair business dealings in Nova
Roma.

The Oath as Curule Aedile

I, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (Christer Edling) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (Christer
Edling) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (Christer Edling) swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (Christer Edling) swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (Christer Edling) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile to the best
of my abilities. On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence
of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Curule Aedile and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Curule Aedile designatus
still Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10


Subject:	[novaroma] Jupiter to be at its brightest in years...
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:35:11 EST

Salvete,

In case anyone hasn't seen the news, Jupiter will be at it's brightest for
the last few decades. For info check out:

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/space/12/30/new.year.jupiter.ap/index.html

The Romans of course associated this largest planet Jupiter - perhaps Jupiter
shining brightest during New Years Eve is a favorable omen for 2755 AUC. :)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus