Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Help wanted on best sources
From:	puteus@hotmail.com
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:17:13 +0100

Just don't forget Julian himself! ;-)

Caius Cornelius

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Census
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:54:03 -0000

Salve Propraetor,

I can understand and to some extent sympathize with your
frustrations. I agree with you that the real deadwood need to be
removed so we can have a more accurate census. But before any such
action is taken, and before any legislation is passed, let's ask
ourselves what makes an active citizen. In other words, what are the
minimal qualifications for being active as opposed to inactive? Is
it posting at least two notes to the main list within a six month
period? Is it membership in at least one sodalitas? Is it ambition
to hold an office? In any society, our Res Publica included, there
will be much variation among our citizens in their degrees of
interest and activity. Some people seem to live lives centered on
Nova Roma, while for others it is a part time hobby.

I do hope questions such as these are being taken into careful
considration before any actions any legislation is passed or action
taken.

Gaius Cassius Nerva

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma census
From:	"Tiberius Labienus Germanicus" <BCMCNUTT@prodigy.net>
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:06:41 -0600

Salvete Y'all

I am new here, so please excuse my speaking up here, but I must ask; In
death, is a Citizen of Rome still a Citizen???????


Tiberius Labienus Germanicus
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Census
From:	"Tiberius Labienus Germanicus" <BCMCNUTT@prodigy.net>
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:52:21 -0600

Salvete Y'all

I am new here, so please excuse my speaking up here, but I must ask; In
death, is a Citizen of Rome still a Citizen??????? The dead are inactive,
but was their citizenship revoked at some point before or after their death?
Reminds me of an ex-boss I had; he told me if I ever fell off the
scaffolding, I was "fired" before I hit the ground.....



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Subject:	[novaroma] An hypothesis concerning rhythm and stress in Latin
From:	=?iso-8859-1?Q?David_S=E1nchez?= <davius_sanctex@terra.es>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:27:05 +0100

Obiously we have no original record of any native speake of Latin :-) How should Latin sound, like a rapid rhythm similar to that of English? Or with a more uniform distribution of time among its syllabes like in Spanish or in Italian?


I believe evidence supplied by position stress accent in Latin support the hypothesis that rhythm of Latin is not like that of Spanish, nor like the accentual rhythm of English but a moraic rhythm like that of Japanese. I will try to explain this idea:


1) Phonologically the major unit that we find featured in some languages with stress accent is that of stress syntagma or stress group. This unit group together all phonemes around an stress accent. For example in Spanish <Estoy en casa> is formed by two accentual groups [estoj / enkasa].

2) In addition to this unit is the syllabic division, found in almost every language in the world like phonological unit.

3) Some few languages recognize unities (of more than one phonema) minor that syllabes. These unities are named "moras". For example in Japanese a word like <Nihon> = 'Japan' is formed by 2 syllabes <ni.hon> but by 3 moras: <ni.ho.n>. This means that this Japanese word is uttered in three steps.



Now, I will intend to show that Latin also distingish internally moras like phonological unities (in fact, if stress rules are considered in terms of moras, they also seem very simple: stress is found in the penultimate vowel anterior to the last vowel).

__________________________________
Rhythm:



1) In English, the rhythm of speech function in stress groups: that is, each stress group occupies a similar time in utterance. In fact United States of America is uttered in two steps [junairdsteit / evamerďkë] (this type of rhythm explain satisfactorily reduction or neutralization of some wowels in unstressed position!)

2) In Spanish the rhythm of speech is mainly syllabic: each syllabe take aproximately the same time (irrelevantly if stressed or unstressed!). [This is the reason that make difficult English for Italians and Spanish, that hear it like somethin incomplete]

3) In Japanese (and I think in Latin) the rhythm is moraic, each mora take aproximately the same time: <nihon> takes three "time unities". If you see at the Japanese syllabaries (kana) you see that the Japanese script is no longer syllabic, but moraic [Mistakenly many books of text say that this script is syllabic]. <Nihon> is written with 3 symbols not 2!

> ____________________________________



Why I affirm that rhrythm in Latin is moraic? By the evidence supplied by accent!

Ancient grammaticians distingished between short ando long syllabes and formulated rules for stress in terms of this distinction: "stress falls in the penultimate syllabe if this is a short syllabe and in the antepenultimate if it is a long one".

If we redefine these rules in terms of moras, the rule is simpler: "Stress falls always in the penultimate mora anteceding last vowel (conditionlas are removed from this rule!)"



Phonological syllabe have an optional onset, a nucelus and an optional cauda, onset + nucleus constitue a mora, and cauda by itself constitues another mora (This is just the division in Japanese!). Also in Japanese an Latin a long vowel like [a:], [e:] . is formed by two moras = /aa/, /ee/, . therefore enlongement of the vowel is considered as a cauda!
If a syllabe is ended with long vowel or consonant it has 2 moras, these syllabes of two moras are precisely the "long syllabes" of the ancient grammaticians. And the "shor syllabes" of ancient grammaticians in termos of moras have longitude = 1.



Some examples (including position of stress)


do'minus = do'.mi.nus
ami':cus = a.mi'.i.cus
inve'ntus = in.ve'.n.tus
a'rbor = a'.r.bor

Obiously a word of only 2 moras should have stress in the next mora preceding last vowel:



ro'sa = ro'.sa

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The rhythm of Latin: these rules seemps to incate that stress in Latin follow moraic rules (like in Japanese), and by generalization, I think the rhytym of Latin is also moraic (that is the fundamental unit of time is the mora).

Naturally this is only a hypothesis, but I think this hypothesis, explain the facts related to stress in a more simple form that is rival. And By virtue of the Okham's razor, is preferible as explication of the facts, given the absence of other empeirical evidence :-)



Cl. Sl. Davianus

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Subject:	[novaroma] P. Cornelia on Census
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:53:19 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

There are in fact, many good reasons for a census, besides, removal
of 'dead weight'. I am not sure I fancy removal for inactivity; I
would much rather see those who are the more active and experienced
carry the recognition, privileges, commensurate with their dedication.

People drift away, become busy with life crises, and the like.

I give folks in my provincia the benefit of the doubt in this case.
Unless they say, Cornelia, get out of my face :), I still consider
them a member of my provincia. Mind you, I do not expect to hear any
complaints from them from deviations in their century standings if
they chose not to pay taxes, nor about any penalties levied them for
any type of legal or political wrongdoing, loss of familia headship
due to personal irresponsibility, so on and so forth. But, to me, my
people are still civites.

A census has multifold advantages, if done comprehensively and
correctly. It could:

It can help us project budgets.

It helps us determine where our citizens are largely concentrated on
planet earth, and as such, aids the respublica in meeting their needs
with respect to unique geographical problems.



It can help us adjust century numbers, and who is in those centuries,
for a fair voting system.

There are more examples, some I've thought of and others I have not.

A census isn't an invitation to leave; it assists Nova Roma in
determining her needs.

Just some thoughts.

Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
Praetrix
Nova Roma

Subject:	[novaroma] Welcome Tiberius Labienus Germanicus
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:54:55 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

I wish to welcome the novus filius to the gens Labiena. Welcome
Tiberi. I am sure your paterfamilias is very pleased at the new
addition to his gens.

Buona fortuna,
Pompeia Cornelia

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Census
From:	Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:58:28 -0800 (PST)

Your words are wise Gaius Cassius Nerva. What I
consider to be a dead citizen is someone who we can no
longer make contact with. I.E a citizen with no
listed email contact, or a citizen who's email is
returned as invalid. I also think a certain grace
period should be given when a citizen's email suddenly
goes off the screen, to give that citizen time to
establish a new email for themselves with NR.

I also think that all Propraetor should make an
attempt to contact the members of their provincia, and
see who is/wants to be active, who doesnt want to be
in NR, and who falls into what I defined as "dead".

Furthermore, I support any legislation which will
force Pater/Materfamilias to take a proactive role in
their Gens.


M. Scipio Africanus
Propraetor of Lacus Magni

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Subject:	[novaroma] Role of Magistrates
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:02:12 -0000

Salvete Omnes (Particularily New Magistrates Like Me):

Admittedly, I too, have much to learn, and from time to time, have to
ask those more learned than I, if I am acting within the confines of
the magisterial roles I am privileged to hold in Nova Roma.

Ahh, those gray areas...........

It does help, I find, to check the consitution before issuing an
edictum, or to even print out one's duties as they are given by the
constitution, for handy reference. I find this helps to eliminate
any obvious mistakes, particularily obvious errors in the
overextension of one's imperium over other magistrates.

I wish to welcome all new citizens to Nova Roma; I perhaps haven't
gotten to know you yet, but I am sure I will, in the near future.

As always, if you have any questions, please feel free to contract
the Censores, post to the list. You may also mail me at any time.

Bene valete,
P. Cornelia Strabo
Praetrix
Nova Roma

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma Census
From:	Antonius Corvus Septimius <antoniuscorvusseptimius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:29:02 -0800 (PST)

Salve Publicus Popoli Romani et amicii,

I openly support any efforts toward
the expultion of cives who have no intentions of
activity both in this micronation, or in public
(especially in public).
valete, Septimius


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "dead weight"
From:	Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:50:14 -0800 (PST)

Maybe we should make a seperate list of citizens that
are inactive.
It is not as if the citizens that are "removed" could
not be reinstated at a later date if they become
active again or contact Nova Roma.
I believe this is a way to get a better handle
planning for future events and laying a ground work
for a better Nova Roma.

Marcus Bianchius Antonius

--- Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I appologize fellow citizens for not better
> clarifying
> what I consider dead weight. In my provincia, I
> have
> 99 citizens. Of these, six citizens have no email,
> or
> any other means of contact listed. In addition, out
> of the first 20 census letters I sent out, 2 have
> already come back invalid email addresses. These
> are
> the citizens I refer to as dead weight.
>
> Having served a great part of my life in the
> military,
> I understand things arize that take us away from our
> normal lives for a given ammount of time. But I
> strongly think that if there is no method of
> contacting a citizen, it is safe to assume they have
> moved on in life. I do however think that a grace
> period should be given in the event of a citizen who
> had an email on file with the censors and then had
> it
> suddenly come up invalid.
>
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>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: "dead weight"
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:06:27 -0000

---Salvete Marce Bianchi et alii:

Well, in response to your separate list idea, this will inately occur
with the taxation law; those who do pay taxes will be "assudi" and
those who do not will be "capit censii"; they will have less Century
standing and they will be unable to run for office.

What I like about this, is nobody loses their citizenship; they are
just not entitled to privileges associated with active, taxpaying
citizenship. I am assuming that most people who pay their taxes will
respond to the Census, but to make the Census a serious issue, I
would be in favour of a Capit Censii status for those who, in the
absence of any reasonable explanation fail to respond to the Census.
But again, I don't see this happening too often, as taxpayers are
active citizens, and they will vote, respond to a census, etc., in
my estimation.


And, demographically, the Censores will have this information about
citizen status on file, which will help in the planning of events, to
wit, who will and who will not likely be attending.

Bene valete,
P. Cornelia Strabo


In novaroma@y..., Centurion M Bianchius Antonius
<imperialreign@y...> wrote:
>
> Maybe we should make a seperate list of citizens that
> are inactive.
> It is not as if the citizens that are "removed" could
> not be reinstated at a later date if they become
> active again or contact Nova Roma.
> I believe this is a way to get a better handle
> planning for future events and laying a ground work
> for a better Nova Roma.
>
> Marcus Bianchius Antonius
>
> --- Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@y...> wrote:
> > I appologize fellow citizens for not better
> > clarifying
> > what I consider dead weight. In my provincia, I
> > have
> > 99 citizens. Of these, six citizens have no email,
> > or
> > any other means of contact listed. In addition, out
> > of the first 20 census letters I sent out, 2 have
> > already come back invalid email addresses. These
> > are
> > the citizens I refer to as dead weight.
> >
> > Having served a great part of my life in the
> > military,
> > I understand things arize that take us away from our
> > normal lives for a given ammount of time. But I
> > strongly think that if there is no method of
> > contacting a citizen, it is safe to assume they have
> > moved on in life. I do however think that a grace
> > period should be given in the event of a citizen who
> > had an email on file with the censors and then had
> > it
> > suddenly come up invalid.
> >
> > M. Scipio Africanus
> >
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma census
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:18:19 -0600 (CST)

Salve Tiberi Labiene,

> I am new here, so please excuse my speaking up here, but I must ask; In
> death, is a Citizen of Rome still a Citizen???????

Yes, but, unless they died in Chicago, they can no longer vote.

Vale, Octavius.

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Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma census
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:22:23 -0800

Yeah I thought many dead people still ended up voting in wonderfully
colorful city of Chicago! <g>

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul

Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:

> Salve Tiberi Labiene,
>
> > I am new here, so please excuse my speaking up here, but I must ask;
> In
> > death, is a Citizen of Rome still a Citizen???????
>
> Yes, but, unless they died in Chicago, they can no longer vote.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
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> Curator Araneum et Senator
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma census
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:05:23 -0000

Salvete my friends,

The "dead" also regularly vote here in Memphis, Tennessee. ;-O

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: "dead weight"
From:	Piparskeggr - Venator <catamount_grange@inwave.com>
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:33:12 -0600

Avete,

Do I recall correctly that it was not an unusual occurrence for Citizens of Roma Antiqua to
withdraw from Public life?

Perhaps something to this effect could be reflected in the Album Civum if the Census takers are
unable to contact someone or, most certainly, if the Cives indicates such status themselves?

And then, if they are incommunicado at the next Census, then might they be declared "legally
dead" to us?

mea sententia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma census
From:	<3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:47:13 -0600 (CST)

Caius Flavius Diocletianus Quiritibus S.P.D.

Citizens, a Nova Roma census is indeed a very important matter. As you saw, the opinions are divided about the benefits of a Census for our Res Publica.

As our iunior Consul, Lucius Cornelius Sulla, stated, there will be a draft for a lex in this matter. Hopefully, the current debate will be helpful for our Consuls to promulgate this draft.

I personally think that it is better to wait until the draft is presented to the citizens, because then we have a basis for our discussions.

Believe me, I do not intend to cry down the current debate. The people´s voice is always helpful to consider legislative projects. But now we should let the Consuls their time to promulgate their lex.

Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor







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Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum - Appointment of Scriba
From:	labienus@texas.net
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:31:08 US/Central

Titus Labienus Fortunatus Praetor hoc edictum propono:

His scriptis Lucilla Cornelia Cinna scriba facta est. Cui est munus
nuntios litterasque meos velut edicta et leges et cetera scripta Latine
reddere, priusquam divulgantur.
_____

Praetor Titus Labienus Fortunatus issues the following edictum:

Lucilla Cornelia Cinna is hereby appointed as my scriba. It shall be her duty
to translate my official announcements--edicta, leges, et cetera--into Latin
prior to their publication.

Valete

Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXXIX about the Appointment of a new
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:25:28 +0100

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Edictum Propraetoricium XXXIX about the Appointment of a new Triumvir
Academia Thules

It is with a feeling of sadness that I have decided to accept the
resignation from the Triumviri Academae Thules by Honorable Caius
Rubellius Rufus , Still it is a great pleasure for me, Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus, to appoint his successor another Honorable citizens to
the staff of the Academia Thules and my Cohors Propraetoris (The
Propraetorian Staff, Provincial Governament)!

I, as a Nova Roman citizen within the Provincia Thule, am proud to
see the deep Gravitas and Pietas this citizen from our sisterprovince
Gallia, Honorable Caius Puteus Germanicus, shows! He has already
worked very hard for the Academia as a Scriba Explorator and has
proven himself worthy this new appointment.

I also want to thank Honorable Caius Rubellius Rufus publicly for the
commitment and support he has shown during his term as a Triumvir
Academiae Thules (Member of the Board of Academy in Thule).

I. I hereby appoint Honorable Caius Puteus Germanicus as Triumvir
Academiae Thules (Member of the Board of the Academy in Thule).

II. Above appointed official is asked to observe that he is bound by
the "Approved Regula (Charter) for the Administration of Thule" as it
was published on the 15th of April 2001 and the two Edicta concerning
the Academia: Edictum Propraetoricium XII about the Approved NOVA
ROMA ACADEMIA THULES and Edictum Propraetoricium XVI about Additional
Rules and Guidelines regarding the organization of Academia Novae
Romae in Thule.

III. As an official of Provincia Thule he is asked to, within one
week swear the public oath shown on
<http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html,>http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html,
using both his Nova Roman name and within parenthesis his macroworld
(real) name. The Oath must be published both on the NovaRomaThule
List and the Nova Roma Main List!

IV. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given January 29th, in the year of the consulship of Marcus Octavius
Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 2755 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXXIX about the Appointment of a new Triumvir Academia Thules.
From:	"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:50:24 +0100

Salvete Quirites!

I will add my public "thank you" to the private one I already sent to
Illustrous Caeso Fabius Quintilianus. I also want to thank the other
tresviri and especially Honorable Caius Curius Saturninus for their thrust.
I am sure that, together with Honorable Gnaeus Salix Astur, the other
tresvirus, we will form a wonderful team. We share the same ambition: making
the Academia a haven of knowledge inside Nova Roma and a reference both
inside and outside our Res Publica. I hope many other Nova Romans will find
their way to the various courses the Academia offers and will develop in the
future!

According to legislation, I enclose my oath of office.

I, Caius Cornelius Puteanus (Bart Vandeputte) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Caius Cornelius Puteanus (Bart Vandeputte)
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Caius Cornelius Puteanus (Bart Vandeputte) swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Caius Cornelius Puteanus (Bart Vandeputte) swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Caius Cornelius Puteanus (Bart Vandeputte) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Triumvir Academiae Thules
to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Triumvir Academiae Thules and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Vale optime in pace deorum!

Caius Cornelius Puteanus
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Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma Census
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:44:01 -0800 (PST)

Salvete, omnes--

This discussion has been rather interesting, because
it's illustrating to me something that I see as an
inherent conflict in the 'personality' of Nova
Roma--the divergence between being a club or
organization and being a nation. In a nation, people
fall through the cracks regularly. I can show you
lots of folks in my home city who have fallen through
the cracks. The leadership of a club, though, _does_
care.

Perhaps what you could do, either annually or every
six months, is send a citizenship confirmation message
to all of the citizenry, requesting confirmation of
their email or postal mail addresses. It is even
possible to do this in an automated way, as
Classmates.com does, with a programming script; the
citizens would not even need to reply. Or, if you
prefer to have an assertion from the person that he or
she is indeed still interested in being a citizen of
Nova Roma, you could at least verify that the email
address is still valid.

Another thing I would do is recommend that people's
contact email addresses be something other than
Hotmail. Their email boxes, the last I checked,
become inactive very quickly, if they are not used
within a short span of time. Netscape is better, for
people needing a free, permanent email address.

While frequent contact confirmation is not something
that a nation would normally do, it is, I think,
needed for a situation like this, in which the entity,
while striving to be a nation, is still in many ways
like a club, and is probably regarded as such by many
people who apply for citizenship.

For me, the more important problem is one of
dereliction. I do believe that people who accept a
position of responsibility should be removed from that
position if they don't maintain contact with the
members of their gens, the mainlist, or with their
provincial governor for a reasonable length of time.
If you care about something enough, you DO find a way
to maintain contact.

Ah, well...'Nuff said from a newbie. :)

Renata Livia
aka Chantal Whittington
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sodalitasmedicum
Sodalitas Medicum--Non ER est!

=====
Chantal
http://www.4dw.net/aerden/theran/theranweyr.html

"Yesterday, it worked.
Today, it is not working.
Windows is like that."



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Subject:	[novaroma] My first message as Cives Romanus
From:	"ostiaaterni" <ostiaaterni@yahoo.it>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:46:11 -0000

Ave

I am only too happy I can send this message of mine to people who can
understand and share my feelings and ideas.
When, recently , by chance , I read the contents of the Nova Roma
Site I said, my God, is it really possible that so far away from my
city/Ostia Aterni means the Port(Ostia) of Aternum(today called
Pescara, 200 km east of Rome, by the Adriatic sea)/there are so many
people adjoining an organization that fosters my ideas and
principles! You are perfectly right, the real end of the Roman Empire
should be dated 300 AD(NOT 476) when the destructive effects of the
Christian Principles upset all of the Core Values of our Civilization
turning the Secular, Democratic Roman Empire in a dogmatic /Taleban
like/ theocracy that caused enormous tragedy, incredible poverty and
suffering to most of the (European)Citizens for more than 12
centuries.
I look forward to having more and more opportunities to sharing
theese
Ideas and feelings with all of you, Roman Citizens.

Lucius Quirinus Vesta

Subject:	[novaroma] Help needed
From:	"ms_livia_julia" <ms_livia_julia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:10:05 -0000

Hello,

I have been a member of Nova Roma for almost a year and this is the
first time I have actually posted. I had purchased the CDROM game
called 'SPQR: The Empire's Darkest Hour' and their help site is no
longer up and running. I am hoping that there are some people in this
group that are quite familiar with the workings of this game. I have
run into a bit of a snag and I desperately need some help. Please
email me privately at EviannaTryinity@aol.com if you can help me.
Sorry for the OT Post..I had no where else to turn.

Thanks,
Livi