Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: ANOTHER Roman Movie
From:	bsmith3121@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:10:28 EST

Salve,

I was wide awake the other night at 1:00 and I flipped past "The Viking Queen". Having recently been to Norway I thought it would be a story about longboats and Odin. I was shocked to find out it was about Roman Britain. It was so bad and so funny that I had to finish watching it. I especially loved the Druid priest that worshiped Zeus. This would be a great movie to have at a party - just to make people laugh.

Vale,

Caius Titinius Varus
In a message dated Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:09:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net> writes:

> Salve,
> Was that "The Viking Queen"? I saw part of it last night on Starz
> Action Channel on Dishnetwork. It was TERRIBLE!
>
> Vale,
> Sextus Cornelius Cotta
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Subject:	[novaroma] File - NovaRomaList.txt
From:	novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Date:	3 Feb 2002 06:43:40 -0000

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: ANOTHER Roman Movie
From:	"otto_von_sitter" <otto_von_sitter@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:06:59 -0000

Gee, I didn't know you helped in making movies. That must be
cool! As for not getting hires to help fix inaccuracies in the
Caesar script, I think sometimes the ones who wrote it in the first
place are too proud to admit their jem might not be perfect. That
and I'm pretty sure Hollywood doesn't give a rat's rump about
accuracy and just wants to put out something that will make
people amazed at its effects or at it being a "cool" movie. It's
good that you tried fixing some of the Caesar script's
inaccuracies though.

BTW, another cool movie idea would be about Hannibal and the
end of Carthage. :-)

Marcus Cornelius Tiberius

--- In novaroma@y..., qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:

>
> Actually, Ridley tried. He tried harder then anybody else I have
worked
> with.
> As for getting Roman realism, it is hard. Unless you have a
Roman historian
> who is the production designer, or listens to his adviser, (NOT)
you are
> going to end up the messes we do have in cinema.
> One reason I joined NR, was to raise funding for an accurate
depiction of
> Roman lifestyle and warfare. I plan to one day raise our own
truly
> Republican Roman legio, but that takes money. And I'm not
rich enough yet.
> I did a quick scan of the Caesar script for $1500. It was loaded
with
> inaccuracies. I cleaned up the major ones, as best as I could.
But they
> didn't want to hire me as adviser, probably since I have my own
Caesar script
> out there, they didn't want to fund a rival. As for the Boudicca
vehicle,
> the less said about Wietz and company, the better.
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: ANOTHER Roman Movie
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:08:43 EST

In a message dated 2/3/02 12:08:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
otto_von_sitter@yahoo.com writes:


> BTW, another cool movie idea would be about Hannibal and the
> end of Carthage. :-)
>
> Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
>

Marcus Cornelius.
Actually Spike Lee at one point had this idea, with Denzel Washington as
Hannibal.
However he saw it as a power struggle between White Supremacists (Romans) and
freedom loving blacks (Libyans and Numidians) and did not even include the
Semantic Phoenicians.
He may have not even known about them. Or if he did, he disregarded them.
At anyrate the Society of Military Historians, and the Journal of Roman
Studies joined forces to block him while in development. Since his company
did not have enough money to complete production he would have to get a bank
loan, and no bank would deal with him due to the inflammatory and revisionist
subject he planned to cover. He dropped it and went on to "X"

Q Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Etruscan Women
From:	"Valerie Hartzer" <valsylph@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 3 Feb 2002 01:30:06 -0500

Salvete Omnes,
And especially Claudius Salix Davinus,
As to Etruscan society and the role of women there is a tomb which has some very interesting finds. The tomb was from the late Etruscan period approx. 650 0r so B.C. It was right at the end of the Etruscan period so the Etruscans were no longer cremating their dead, they were instead burying the corpses intact. It was a multi chamber tomb with a man in one smaller side room. Laid out beside him were some bronze cups and plates of good quality and he was wearing bronze jewelry. In the next room of the tomb was a woman laid out, next to her was a set of silver cups and plates and she was adorned with gold and silver jewelry. It is clear from the artifacts with each of the interred people that the lady with the finer grave goods was clearly of higher social standing than her consort. It is inferred by archaeologists that Etruscan women had inheriterited social status of their own, i.e. the daughter of a priest-king was a princess in her own right independent of her husband. Unforunately, I can't find the book I read this in, and it was probably a borrowed book as Etruscan archaology was a hobby of mine in grad school and I had the whole M.S.U. library to play in when I wasn't studying or grading papers or writing my Master's thesis. Unfortunately since only the Greeks and Romans wrote much on the Etruscans and both goups hated them , archaeologists only have grave goods, tomb paintings and few other scattered sites to go on in reconstructing their culture. I will see if I can find the book again and post the reference although this may take a while as I will have to do a number of online searches of university libaries around the state.

Bene vale,
Lucia Valeria Secunda Ianuaria
"Try to enjoy the great festival of life with other men"
Epictetus





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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Medical Records?
From:	"Valerie Hartzer" <valsylph@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 3 Feb 2002 01:53:22 -0500

Salvete Omnes,
I don't know specifically about medical records as such because physicians were most often private citizens and would have had to keep their own records. The miltary did employ surgeons but the records mostly likely to have been kept by the military were pay records and quartermaster reports detailing who was issued what food and clothing over the course of a billing period. A place potentially to start is with sources on Pompei and Herculaneum as entire kits of surgical instruments were found at both sites. These sites are a wealth of data on Roman life of the early Imperial period beacuse of the unique preservation conditions and that life was literally "stopped" in an instant . Very seldom e, if ever, do archaeologists get such an opportunity to see exactly what people were doing, eating, etc. during an average day in an ancient culture. I know this isn't very specific but there are a TON of good books on Pompeii and Herculaneum so it shouldn't be too hard to find something on medical artifacts and finds from these sites.

Bene vale,
Lucia Valeria Secunda Ianuaria
"Try to enjoy the great festival of life with other men"
Epictetus


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Provincial Census
From:	"Valerie Hartzer" <valsylph@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 3 Feb 2002 03:01:48 -0500

Saleve T. Labienus Fortunatus,
et Omnes,

Firstly, I appologize for losing my temper so greatly but a recurrent thread that keeps coming up is the people keep leaving and not telling us and we are stuck with people and or positions in limbo because of it therefore EVERYONE needs to be active, active, active! And each time this thread comes up there are all kinds of "punishments" that are mentioned the "keep people in line". Unfortunately these are usually aimed at all citzens not just office holders or maters/ paters. Frankly, such heavy handed attitudes just scares off new members and enrages members who for life or other circumstances have wandered away for a while and then come back looking to pick up new activities. It also sends mixed signals to new citizens, who are restricted from formal and official offices, yet are supposed to be active, active, active! And unfortunately, office holding and politicing are the order of the day in Nova Roma as much as they were in Ancient Roma. Actually what I would like to see is an exit survey (big hint to the counsuls and censors here) of people leaving Nova Roma which would help adequately judge WHY people are leaving and possibly give clues as to why people drift off into inactivitiy. If we can ferret out the social causes of these ills we stand a much better chance of healing them than if we slap on temporary bandages of threats of expulsion.

" Now I'm envious. When and where are you going? I hope you'll tell us about
the trip once it's happened. And, perhaps some of our European cives would be
willing and able to arrange to meet you while you're over there and show you
around a little? "

As to your questions about the trip my husband and I are taking we are going on an escorted tour ( yes that means with a tour group). The tour goes to Rome,Pompei is usually optional but for us it is an absolute must, Pisa, Florence, Venice, Ferrara, Assisi, Ancona to Patras Greece, Olympia, Marathon, Delphi and Athens. We are also arriving a day early in Rome to visit Ostia Antica on our own, which is supposed to be fabulous. As it is a guided tour I have no idea how much actual free time we will have to go out with people. Some of the tour we may be sidestepping "planned" sightseeeing as some of it is Catholic churches which I really don't have much interst in seeing. I would rather spend my time seeing ancient temples and wandering archaeological sites than staring up at the ceiling of yet another church. Meeting other Nova Romans from European Provincia would be great, but as I said I'm not entirely sure just how much time we will have.

Also that you for the tax information. I hope the address to send funds to is posted soon.

As to philosphical school I am a Stoic, through and through. I am reading through the Golden sayings of Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius' Meditations at the present. I'm also reading up on social history and the Religio Romana. I also hold an MA in Anthropology with a specialty in Archaeology hence my interest in ancient ruins. I also am beginning to dabble in mosaic making and am planning several projects with Roman themes. Unfortunately, as a scholar I spend a huge ammount of my time reading, usually digging into 3-5 heavy books at a time which means it takes a while to get through them and be able to use the knowledge as fully as I would like to. It also means that I am not online as much.

As to posting a poem I have a few that need dusting off and re-visiting anyway so I may post one if it is close enough to topic. The last batch I wrote were written in the woods and featured Pan who is Greek, not Roman, so I don't know if that is close enough to post on For the Muses. I also directed plays in college including Antigone, and would LOVE the opportunity to direct Roman theater IRL.

I hope that gives you a better idea of my interests and the directions that I would like to go in.


Bene vale,
Lucia Valeria Secunda Ianuaria
"Try to enjoy the great festival of life with other men"
Epictetus







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Subject:	R: [novaroma] national anthem
From:	"Prometheus" <marcusprometheus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:12:48 +0100

Marcus Prometheus SPD.

In my opinion the
Carmen Saeculare
of Horatius
was somehow a national anthem for ROMA
and could very well be the national anthem of NR.

Bene valete.

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Coin Sales
From:	"pcs_corvus" <pcs_corvus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:24:10 -0000

I'd like to know too. I ordered some coins back in December and I'm still waiting...

--- In novaroma@y..., Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@y...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I was just wondering how the coins sales are going? I
> am thinking of ordering a second batch for myself
> because I like them so much! I carry my "lucky" coin
> around with me always, its the first one I touched
> when I got them. (Sounds kind of silly, doesn't it?)
>
> Do you have many left? Are there any plans to mint
> another coin?
>
> Thanks
>
> Marcus Bianchius Antonius
> Legate Of Lacus Magni Orientalis
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions!
> http://auctions.yahoo.com

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: ANOTHER Roman Movie
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:34:13 EST

In a message dated 2/3/02 12:08:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
otto_von_sitter@yahoo.com writes:


> I'm pretty sure Hollywood doesn't give a rat's rump about
> accuracy and just wants to put out something that will make
> people amazed at its effects or at it being a "cool" movie

When we were having the meeting about the battle scene at Pharsallus, for my
Caesar script, I wanted $10,000 for faberglass oval scutums since most of our
reenactors would carry the post 1st century tile shaped one. I was shot down
by the Executive Producer, saying that it may be accurate but the people
won't know the difference. And he was right. But I wanted the people who
did know the difference to take heed that we got it right. That to me is the
rewarding part of a job.
My current project has a scene where in 1954, Cal. State trucks (This is
before CAL TRANS) are dumping toxins into a stream. My research indicates
that the State used Studebaker 4 x 4 and sixes at that time. Of course the
problem is there are no 50s Studis available, and to build one would cost
200,000. We are going to take White and Dodge 40s military vehicles and
paint them canary yellow with the CAL State logo on the door. Still I wish I
could have
50s Studis. That would be soo cool.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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