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Re: [novaroma] Candidates without plan :-( |
| From: |
Antonius Corvus Septimius <antoniuscorvusseptimius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:02:20 -0800 (PST) |
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Antonius Corvus Septimius Franciscus Apulus Caesar
S.P.D.
FAC: wrote:
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar omnibus S.P.D.
>
> In a first view each candidates as Tribunus (but
> Aedilis too) is good
> because you talk about human rights, freedom of
> speech, plebeian role
> in the NR society, equality between our two classes,
> etc.
Septimius: First, I thank you for making this very
important point. Keeping to the origional purpose of
this post in our society, I will defend our order
against any transgression or overruling by the
patrician order. That is, if there is a credible
source to an acussation, against anyone in the
patrician order.
> But nobody talk how he want take own goal!!!
> What is your concret program? How you thing to
> realyze your plan in a
> pratical way?
Septimius: Since the purpose of a Tribunis Plebis, is
to have a voice ( with the means to defend ) whenever
the need arises. That would be my first objective.
Second, I will keep the historical laws pertaining to
a Trib. Plebs. intact. By this, I mean that whomever
decides to interrupt my defense of a Plebian ( who has
made a valid accusation) or, even as a group, I will
look to our historical ways of dealing with this
problem. And that would be a fine to the person(s)
involved in hindering the defense of the plebian
order.
>
> Each of us is able to declarate to want the
> democracy and the rights
> for all, but it's harder how follow our aims. I
> can't give you my
> vote if you don't persuade me, I would like concret
> and pratical
> proposals! If you haven't a politic plan you can't
> work for one year
> and your supporters can't value your job.
>
> So, please, write a bit more and take your
> responsability!
Septimius: I will. Ultimately, my goal is to have both
orders working together, in hopes that there are no
false assumptions, animosity, or a sence of no
concordia between the two orders. Because, there are
some things that we do not have to re-live in our
culture.And fighting anongst ourselves MUST be kept to
a absolute minimum, if we are to survive.
>
> P.S.: Sorry for my bad and unpolite english ;-/
Septimius: no need to apollogize! :)
Dii te ament
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Candidates without plan :-( |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@goldenfuture.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:20:44 -0500 |
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Salve,
>>In fact the task of a Tribunus Plebis not a governamental one. The task of
a Tribunus is to observe kindly the government and to look after plebeian
interests, so that the governemental measures were agreed with the general
principles of Nova Roma.>>
Not a governmental one? Could you please explain this? It seems to me that
if one wishes to be elected the guardian of the *law* one must be willing to
work within the system of law we have in our *government*.
>>I have not presented any program, there is no necesity, the task of a
Tribunus Plebis is not to present concrete programs it is a charismatic
position no a governamental one.>>
Not being a plebian myself, I still might observe that you owe those whose
votes you wish to gain a better explanation than this. Are you saying you
do not intend to utilize your right/job as Tribune to promulgate plebiscita?
Seems to me that being Tribune entails way more than simply being
"charismatic".
>>I trust in those that has followed my contributions as much from my
province, as diverse sodalitates and of course in this main list. You
yourself know me, we have participated with me in diverse Novaroman lists,
you and those that know me can trust in my honesty and in the democratic
direction of my ideas.>>
We are not a democracy. Rather than resort to non-debates such as "well,
you know me", perhaps you would favor the voters with a more concrete
agenda/plan?
> >What is your concret program? How you thing to realyze your plan in a
> >pratical way?
>
> By means of the kindly observation of the interests of the
> majority of citizens!>>
Please be so kind as to define specifically what a "kindly observation"
means to you.
>>If someone desires to know my position relatively to some aspects, please,
feel free to contact personaly with me>>
Sorry, having *publicly* presented yourself for office I think you owe the
voters a better answer than "contact me privately". Please state, here for
the record, what your precise positions are on various topics of interest
that you think will impact the people <not just plebians> of Nova Roma.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonis
Lictor
>
> Valete optime,
> Claudius Salix Davianus
> Candidate to Tribunus Plebis,
> Scriba Provincia Hispaniae, anno MMDCCLIV
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] new cd |
| From: |
"Caius Cornelius Puteanus" <puteanus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:48:09 +0100 |
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Salvete Quirites!
Some time ago, there was some talking about Roman music. I bought the CD of
Synaulia, Die Musik des Antiken Rom (the music of Ancient Rome) via Azur. I
want to thank the person (I'm sorry to have forgotten his/her name) who
talked about it on this list: I'm really glad to have it! It certainly is
worth listening!
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Cornelius Puteanus
www.geocities.com/puteanus
www.geocities.com/germania_inferior
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Changes in Provincia Hispania |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Saz?= <salice@bigfoot.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:42:31 -0000 |
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M. Salix Vigilius Patribus Conscriptisque S.P.D.
Ex Officio Propraetoris Hispaniae.
I am writing these lines to you to inform you that I can not continue
to fulfill the office of propraetor of Hispania. Although these last
months have been full of success and rewards, my personal life keeps
getting in the way; I will simply not have time to accomplish my duties
in the way that both Nova Roma and Hispania deserve.
I, however, have taken the time to find a suitable candidate to perform
this job. His name is Lucius Minicius Laietanus, and I believe he will
be introducing himself to you very soon. He has my full support and the
support of the people of Hispania, for he has proved himself very
worthy during my term of office, when he worked as legatus under my
command.
I also believe that my other legatus, Gnaeus Salix Astur, will be
posting you with a complete report on the state of the Province,
including what we have accomplished during my term of office and what
we hope to accomplish during this year. Please, consider this document
to be my own report on the work done and Laietanus' declaration of
future plans; this is not a change of governement, but an effort of
continuity.
I please ask you to consider his candidacy in a good light; Hispania
deserves to have a worthy governor, and no one could be fitter for the
work. Please, do not leave Hispania without a provincial governement;
we still have much to organize, and we have great plans for the future.
Thank you for your time, conscript fathers.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Candidacy for Tribunis Plebis |
| From: |
"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:10:00 -0800 |
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Lucius Mauricius Procopious Novae Romae S.P.D.
I wish to declare my candidacy for the office of Tribunis Plebis. I meet all of the prerequisites for the office; 38 yrs old, Nova Roman for 3 years, Plebeian, and eager to swear the oath of office.
I feel that historical accuracy is one of our most important goals. As a Classical Studies major I have access to materials and persons who can assist me in maintaining a historically accurate course of action.
I look forward to the opportunity to promulgate plebiscita that will guarantee the rights of Plebians (and hopefully all other Nova Romans). This can best be done working in concert with the Consuls, Senate, and members of the NRLaw list who all have expertise writing workable laws.
I have served a full year as Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis. Our Province is very small but has made some significant strides. We have, under my leadership, organized face to face gatherings of cives. My wife, Sabina, created our first website, and Jullila gave us our updated current model. Felix has done much of the groundwork to seek funds to build a classical library in our Province. All of this with less than a half dozen of us in the Province who are regularly active.
As for my legal prowess, 3 years ago I successfully defended my right to maintain custody of my elder children without legal representation. If I can out battle a lawyer in another state with laws different than the state in which I reside, then I can figure out the laws of Nova Roma.
I began my pursuit of a Classical Studies degree so that I would have the knowledge to help build Nova Roma. I am dedicated to our Res Publica. I am a good choice to represent my fellow Plebeians.
Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Candidates without plan :-)) |
| From: |
"Cl. Sl. Davianus" <davius_sanctex@terra.es> |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:45:40 +0100 |
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Salvete citizens, ac salve etima tu Priscilla Vedia,
>>Not a governmental one? Could you please explain this? It seems to me that if one wishes to be elected the guardian of the *law* one must be willing to work within the system of law we have in our *government*.<<
1) In a political system we can distingish at least three parts: legislature, executive and judiciary. I mean that a governamental task is one related to executive function. In this sense, the task of a Tribunus have no detailed program of measures.
>>Not being a plebian myself, I still might observe that you owe those whose votes you wish to gain a better explanation than this.<<
This is just a personal observation (I think, that is: an opinion of yours).
>>Are you saying you do not intend to utilize your right/job as Tribune to promulgate plebiscita?<<
No I haven't said it. You can read my previous message and verify that efectively I haven't said such a thing!
>>We are not a democracy.<<
Citizens will decide with their votes what type of Tribunatus Plebis they prefer, this seems to me a "form of democratic decission".
>>What is your concret program? How you thing to realyze your plan in a pratical way?<<
My task will be to guard for plebeian citizens. I have said that a Tribunus Plebis is not an magistrature engaged in political or governamental questions, only to defend plebeian interest from possibily abussive measures (if they occur in the future, naturally).
>>If someone desires to know my position relatively to some aspects, please, feel free to contact personaly with me
Sorry, having *publicly* presented yourself for office I think you owe the voters a better answer than "contact me privately".<<
Well I think my position is quiete clear, I don't see any problem if someone have a particular question to send me a mail, and I will try to explain more concrete ideas in the limits of my knowledge and perceptions.
Valeto optime, cara Priscilla Vedia Serena,
Claudius Salix Davianus
Candidate to Tribunus Plebis,
Scriba Provincia Hispaniae, anno MMDCCLV
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] new cd |
| From: |
"Cl. Sl. Davianus" <davius_sanctex@terra.es> |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:50:53 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes romani:
Thank you very much, Caie Corneli Putenane, for the reference of this CD. I think it is of major interest for many people in this list! Can you to give more detailed information to us about music in Antient Rome? I would be very pleased if this were possible!
Cl. Sl. Davianus
P.D. your site Puteanus is an excellent one!
Salvete Quirites!
Some time ago, there was some talking about Roman music. I bought the CD of
Synaulia, Die Musik des Antiken Rom (the music of Ancient Rome) via Azur. I
want to thank the person (I'm sorry to have forgotten his/her name) who
talked about it on this list: I'm really glad to have it! It certainly is
worth listening!
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Cornelius Puteanus
www.geocities.com/puteanus
www.geocities.com/germania_inferior
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Email Worm |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:01:37 -0600 (CST) |
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Salvete Omnes,
For several days, many of us have been receiving email with mysterious
attachments, directed to email addresses published on the Nova Roma
web site or on this mailing list.
This is some sort of worm or virus. There have been many such before.
What appears to be different with the current worm is that it forges the
source address of the mail to be someone other than the person who sent
it, possibly an address known to the victim.
An email worm usually works in the following manner: a victim who receives
the mail inadvertently runs the attachment (often disguised as a sound
file or something seemingly harmless). It then will look in the victim's
email address book, inbox and other mail folders, and in their Internet
browser cache for more addresses. Mail is then sent to those addresses,
and thus the worm spreads.
All of that is typical. What is different about this worm is that it
will take an address from those same locations and use that as a
source address, forging the "From:" line so it appears to come from
someone else entirely. Especially in a small community like ours, that
forged address - if taken from a location close to where our own addresses
were plucked from - may be a recognized and trusted address, and thus
people are willing to open the file.
Several of us have received this virus-mail from persons who cannot
possibly be involved in spreading it. I received a copy that was made
to look like it came from Proconsul Audens - but he uses WebTV, not
a Windows machine, and therefore could not have been the true sender.
I've received another copy that looked like it came from
"censors@novaroma.org", an address that is never used for sending
mail (it is a valid address for receiving mail however). Another
magistrate reported receiving one that came from one of my addresses,
and address that is no longer used for outgoing mail (and because I
run FreeBSD, I could not have been infected in any event).
If you are a Windows user, you'll need to protect yourself. (Those
of us with Linux, BSD, Mac or anything else have nothing to fear).
If you receive mail with one or more attachments, regardless of
who sent, regardless of the apparent file type of the attachment,
open it *only* if you are expecting that person to send something
of that type to you, or they have provided sufficient explanation
in the plain text area of the message.
If it appears that I have mailed you a sound file, or that the
Censors have mailed you a screen saver, or your governor has
mailed you a DOC file - most likely it came from someone
else entirely, and is not what appears to be. Ask for an explanation
from the apparent sender before looking at it.
Valete, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator
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