Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Roman Games for computers
From:	"oppiusflaccus" <oppiusflaccus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:49:20 -0000

Salvete Daviane et Omnes;

Gratias multas for forwarding this excellent list! I've played a
couple of these but am going to check out some of the other links.
Might be kinda fun getting an old DOS game or two running again.

For those that may have, or will soon have a Xbox, there's a new
title coming out called "CircusMaximus: Chariot Wars" which looks
to be quite fun. A preview may be found on:

http://www.gamespy.com/previews/december01/circusmaximusxbox/

Happy gaming!
-Oppius



--- In novaroma@y..., "Cl. Sl. Davianus" <davius_sanctex@t...> wrote:
> Salvete Cives:
>
> (hinc est magna enumeratio ludi per computatorem)
>
> Caesar I (free downloadable etsi antiquulus saltem agit in quovis
PC)
> Caesar II
> Caesar III
> Creati a Sierra & Impressions Games:
> http://www.impressionsgames.com/caesar.html
> http://www.impressionsgames.com/games/c2
> http://www.caesar3.com
> http://caesar3.sierra.com
>
<snipped>

Subject:	[novaroma] Senate agenda
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:50:23 +0000 (GMT)

Gnaeus Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.

I write to you to inform about the current votation agenda in the
Senate:

--- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:
> To: "SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com"
> <SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com>,
> Senate <Senate@novaroma.org>
> From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:49:27 -0800
> Subject: [SenatusRomanus] Revised Senatorial Summons
> Reply-to: SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com
>
> Avete Conscript Fathers,
>
> It is my sincere pleasure to summon this esteemed body for the
> purpose
> of voting on a number of important items. The Augury has been taken
> and
>
> I have been informed that the omens are auspicious. I would like to
> thank our Augur Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus for his assistance.
>
> The Schedule will be:
>
> Tuesday 6pm PST - Saturday 6pm PST - debate
> Saturday 6pm PST - Monday 6pm PST - Vote
>
> The agenda for this month's summons will include the following:
>
> I. Tax Deadline Extension -
>
> Senatus Consultum:
> ONE MONTH EXTENSION OF TAXATION DEADLINE
>
> A. As this is the first year during which the citizenry of Nova Roma
> is
> required to pay taxes, it is essential that every effort be made to
> ensure that the entire process is as smooth as possible. The
> administrative process through which taxes will be collected has
> recently been finalized and the tax collection mechanism was just put
> into place. The citizens must be assured that the tax collection
> system
> will work and that due diligence will be given to any problems that
> arise during the collection of taxes.
>
> B. To facilitate this effort and reassure the citizens of Nova Roma,
> the deadline by which a citizen's taxes must be paid is hereby
> extended until March 31, 2755 (2002). This extension is for the
> current year only and shall not be binding on subsequent years.
> _____
>
> II. Tax Extension for Argentina
>
> Senatus Consultum:
> TAX EXTENSION FOR ARGENTINA
>
> A. Given the serious political and economic situation that has
> persisted in the Provinca of Argentina, it is highly unlikely that
> those
> citizens will be able to pay the taxes by the established cut-off
> date
> of February 28, 2755 (2002).
>
> B. The Senatus Consultum that established taxes gives the
> opportunity
> for the Senate to grant extensions on a provincia by provincia basis
> up
> til the last day of August. For reasons of extraordinary mitigating
> circumstances.
>
> C. To reassure the citizens in the provincia of Argentina, who are
> suffering through extraordinary mitigating circumstances, the
> deadline
> by which a residents of Argentina's taxes must be paid is hereby
> extended til August 31, 2755 (2002). This extension is for the
> current
> year only.
> ____
>
> III. Procedural Clarification to the Lex Vedia Senatoria
>
>
> The Lex Vedia Senatoria (III.) it states that, "Upon issuance of a
> Senatus consultum nominating an individual to membership in the
> Senate,
> the censors may, at their discretion, include that individual in the
> album Senatorum." Pursuant to that clause the following Senatus
> Consultum is drafted.
>
> A. Any individual, who is constitutionally empowered to summon the
> Senate must notify the Censors of their intent to bring an agenda
> item
> for the purpose of having the Senate recommend prospective members
> to the Senate.
>
> B. This notification must be given at least a nundina prior to the
> summons of the Senate.
>
> C. The Censors must keep the information confidential.
>
> D. When the Senate is summoned, and this agenda item is presented
> the
> following information must be included:
>
> I. The name of the prospective Senator.
> 2. The date of their membership to Nova Roma began
> 3. Prior experience within Nova Roma
> 4. Censors report. This report will be the official opinion of the
> Office of the Censors. The report will consist of an acceptance, a
> rejection or a neutral stance within the Censors office. If there is
> a
> rejection a statement must be included when the agenda item is
> presented
> to the Senate. If the Censors have failed to deliver a report the
> presiding magistrate will disclose that information to the Senate.
> _____
>
> IV. Proroguing existing governors:
>
> Germania - Caius Flavius Diocletianus
> Lusitania - Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> Thule - Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Canada Orientalis - Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
> America Austrorientalis - Lucius Sicinus Drusus
> California - Quintus Fabius Maximus
> Nova Britannia - Marcus Minucius Audens
> America Boreoccidentalis - Lucius Mauricius Procopius
> Brasilia - Marcus Arminius Maior
> Argentina - Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> ___
>
> V. Appointment of new Governors:
>
> Britannia - Decimus Iunius Silanus
> Hispania - Lucius Minicius Laietanus
> Italia - Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> Pannonia - Gaius Marcius Coriolanus
> Venedia - Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus
> Canada Occidentalis - Ramesa Debrasca
> ___
>
> VI. Senatorial recommendations of new Senators
>
> The Censores have announced their intent to create new Senators.
> The Censores and Consuls have assembled a list of candidates
> and ask the Senate to make its recommendation by voting for three
> from the following list:
>
> 1. Tribunus Plebis, Propraetor Brasilia, Marcus Arminius Maior
>
> 2. Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
>
> 3. Procurator Canada Orientalis Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
>
> 4. Propraetor Argentina Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
> 5. Propraetor America Austrorientalis Lucius Sicinius Drusus
>
> 6. Curatrix Sermonis Priscilla Vedia Serena
>
> Please rank your choices to the top three candidates, indicating your
> first choice, second choice and third choice, each of which must be
> a different candidate; final ranking shall be done by awarding five
> points for each first-choice selection, three points for a
> second-choice
> selection and one point for a third-choice selection. The top three
> shall be presented to the Censores as the Senate's recommendation.
> If a candidate who is not already qualified is selected as one of the
> top three, this selection shall be considered a Senatus Consultum
> nominating that person for inclusion and satisfying the Lex Vedia
> Senatoria.
> ___
>
> This concludes the Senatorial summons for the month of February.
> Thank
> you very much for your participation.
>
> Very Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Consul of Nova Roma

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
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Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
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Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Roman Games for computers
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:57:36 -0000

Salvete,

Yes thanks very much. As a cronic time waster I down loaded them
immediately. My wife got me "Age of Empires II" for the holidays.
She said the salesperson told her there were not any Roman themed
games like it.

Fauugh! (that is "nonsense").

My only problem with the free download is that is won't let me be a
Roman -- It wants me to be Hannibal :-0

Gaius Popillius Laenas


--- In novaroma@y..., "oppiusflaccus" <oppiusflaccus@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Daviane et Omnes;
>
> Gratias multas for forwarding this excellent list! I've played a
> couple of these but am going to check out some of the other links.
> Might be kinda fun getting an old DOS game or two running again.
>
> For those that may have, or will soon have a Xbox, there's a new
> title coming out called "CircusMaximus: Chariot Wars" which looks
> to be quite fun. A preview may be found on:
>
> http://www.gamespy.com/previews/december01/circusmaximusxbox/
>
> Happy gaming!
> -Oppius
>
>
>
> --- In novaroma@y..., "Cl. Sl. Davianus" <davius_sanctex@t...>
wrote:
> > Salvete Cives:
> >
> > (hinc est magna enumeratio ludi per computatorem)
> >
> > Caesar I (free downloadable etsi antiquulus saltem agit in quovis
> PC)
> > Caesar II
> > Caesar III
> > Creati a Sierra & Impressions Games:
> > http://www.impressionsgames.com/caesar.html
> > http://www.impressionsgames.com/games/c2
> > http://www.caesar3.com
> > http://caesar3.sierra.com
> >
> <snipped>




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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Romans using Chariots - scouting and transporting messages.
From:	"tasia" <tasia43@attbi.com>
Date:	Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:16:43 -0800

Didn't the Egyptians use chariots for war? I thought the Romans did in Egypt as well.

tasia

<snip>

>Oops another Hollywood myth.

Consider: Why would you use a system that does not operate well in rough
terrain, is a waste of horseflesh, and quite noticeable. Once horses were
bred strong enough to carry a warrior, the whole reason of chariot as a
weapon involved for war, becomes pointless except as a novelty item as
scythed chariots, or an attention getter and battle transport for Celts.
The only mention we have of chariot and the military was the Triumph, which
was adopted from the distant past from the Etruscans. This shows that the
City's general may have commanded from a chariot. The Romans retained the
tradition until the Principate.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Space Shuttle and Roma
From:	Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:37:20 -0800 (PST)

Well, I guess I will opt out of passing anything else
on that has a Roman theme...sorry for flooding your
mail-box with crap. I thought it was nifty
myself...true or not.

Lets all get back to bickering about something else...

Marcus Bianchius Antonius



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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Space Shuttle and Roma - just another reason to ignore [insert_subject]
From:	"Gaius Cornelius Publicus" <gaius-cornelius-publicus@attbi.com>
Date:	Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:14:28 -0800

-----Original Message-----
From: Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com>
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com <novaroma@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The Space Shuttle and Roma

>Well, I guess I will opt out of passing anything else
>on that has a Roman theme...sorry for flooding your
>mail-box with crap. I thought it was nifty
>myself...true or not.
>
yes, it was nifty.

>Lets all get back to bickering about something else...
>
Which is why I don't tend to participate in this list, or NR in general for
that matter. Mostly the postings are bickering noise and I stopped reading
about a week after joining, oh, I still subscribe, and (obviously) I scan
the daily subject lines before deleting the messages. Seeing "space
shuttle" was interesting, so I read, saw something that was a borderline
attack in a subsequent reply and added my two bits.

There are personalities on this list that pretty effectively extinguish any
discussion outside of what they are interested in. But guess what people,
there are a bunch of silent participants that really don't give a "phlyin'
phawk" (tm) about most of the content here and really consider your own pet
subjects to be fluff and noise. Those discussions chase away a lot of
people that browse the list before joining NR - heck none of my friends will
even consider joining. Here is an idea, if NR really wants to grow they
should make the main list for citizens only and make something like Egressus
the PR machine the public discussion with well thought out threads. But I
seriously doubt that will happen.

Carry on kiddies.

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] The Space Shuttle and Roma - just another reason to ignore [insert_subject]
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@novaroma.org>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:21:44 -0500

Salve,

I've taken the liberty of cc'ing your email address, just in case you delete
this before you read it. One can't be too careful with someone who says they
regularly delete NR-related email.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gaius Cornelius Publicus [mailto:gaius-cornelius-publicus@attbi.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:14 AM
>
> Which is why I don't tend to participate in this list, or NR in general
for
> that matter. Mostly the postings are bickering noise and I stopped
reading
> about a week after joining, oh, I still subscribe, and (obviously) I scan
> the daily subject lines before deleting the messages. Seeing "space
> shuttle" was interesting, so I read, saw something that was a borderline
> attack in a subsequent reply and added my two bits.

I have to ask, if Nova Roma is so dreadful, why you are still here?

During my Consulship I tried (and failed miserably, it seems) to get folks
to meet more face-to-face. So this list remains the primary way that our
Cives interact. If the list is so awful, why don't you unsubscribe? Even
more to the point, why do you stay on as a Citizen? "Ghost" citizens are bad
enough. People who stay around only so they can criticize and complain are
worse than useless.

For those who wish to renouce their Citizenship, all you have to do is send
an email to the Censors-- censors@novaroma.org --and voila! It is done.

> There are personalities on this list that pretty effectively extinguish
any
> discussion outside of what they are interested in.

Then those are people who should be ignored. At the risk of speaking for the
Curatrix Sermo, this list is for EVERY topic of potential interest to our
Cives. If that's computer games, television shows, events, archaeological
discoveries, questions, or whatever, it is all fair game here.

> But guess what people,
> there are a bunch of silent participants that really don't give a "phlyin'
> phawk" (tm) about most of the content here and really consider your own
pet
> subjects to be fluff and noise.

May I ask what you give a "phlyin' phawk" (tm) about and why you haven't
brought up such subjects on the list? Here's a bit of advice for you, which
will be beneficial to everybody here:

"If you don't like what people are talking about on the list, start talking
about something else!!!"

Certainly a more constructive pursuit than bitching that people aren't
talking about your pet interest. (And to be honest, I don't know of many who
squash Roman-related topics here, unless they are patently untrue chestnuts
that have been dragged out a hundred times in the past.)

> Those discussions chase away a lot of
> people that browse the list before joining NR - heck none of my friends
will
> even consider joining.

I grieve.

> Here is an idea, if NR really wants to grow they
> should make the main list for citizens only and make something like
Egressus
> the PR machine the public discussion with well thought out threads. But
I
> seriously doubt that will happen.

Here's another idea. People on this list should actually talk about things
that interest them and not worry about people who don't want to talk about
them. This list is not supposed to be a "PR machine". It's supposed to be a
forum for our Citizens to interact. We happen to allow non-Citizens to
participate. I hardly think it would be fair to entice people to join an
organization only to find that the internal dynamic was completely different
from the one they had previously encountered on some email list.

> Carry on kiddies.

Gratuitous, unneccessary, and meaningless. That address was
censors@novaroma.org, just in case you missed it the first time.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Pater Patriae

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Space Shuttle and Roma - just another reason to ignore [in...
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:30:24 EST

In a message dated 2/19/02 9:11:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gaius-cornelius-publicus@attbi.com writes:


> There are personalities on this list that pretty effectively extinguish any
> discussion outside of what they are interested in. But guess what people,
> there are a bunch of silent participants that really don't give a "phlyin'
> phawk" (tm) about most of the content here and really consider your own pet
> subjects to be fluff and noise. Those discussions chase away a lot of
> people that browse the list before joining NR - heck none of my friends
> will
> even consider joining. Here is an idea, if NR really wants to grow they
> should make the main list for citizens only and make something like
> Egressus
> the PR machine the public discussion with well thought out threads. But I
> seriously doubt that will happen.
>
>

Salvete.
Actually that is a very good idea. Would you like to oversee it? I'll
sponsor it in the Senate.

I think the "bickering " you hear is our attempt to move forward with this
grand experiment. As things, bottlenecks, etc. get ironed out, the bickering
will decrease. I know many of you were not here for the early days, but
volume has dropped over the last several years.
Because of Nova Roma uniqueness, lots of times, we are uncertain to proceed
and we have passionate people telling us exactly what to or not to do. I
find refreshing in an age of forced conformity.
I objected to the chariot tracks fable for the simple reason it is a fable
yet it appears on the main list like it is fact. Because someone is going to
read this, and sprout off the misinfo to someone else who thinks it is
factual since it comes off the Nova Roma list.
Everybody here is a classicist scholar, right? So we are the final authority
on things Roman.
We all know that is not the case. Yet some people who "drop in," do not know
this and assume that it is fact.
I do not wish to step on anybody's amusement bone here. Gods no. But as a
military historian how many times do you think I have received that post's
subject material, Roman chariots? So naturally I went into "debunk mode" and
never completely read it. Since it was intended to humorous, I over reacted
to the content, and ruined the whole thing for the poster. I will try to
read the complete post next time and not jump to conclusions.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
Senator


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Subject:	[novaroma] Roman Games for PC/Pompeii
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 04:05:07 -0000

I found a Roman computergame here, in the Navy Exchange, for 20
dollars.

It is called 'Return to Pompeii'. You are sent back into time by
Isis {who is the antagonist!} to Pompeii, four days before Vesuvius
erupts. You have to find and persuade a young woman to return back
into the future with you before you both end up as plaster castings
on display somewhere.

One of my friends here has a laptop with him, so I got to take a look
at the game. It is a very nice replica of Pompeii, like the SPQR
game did with Rome. But in this game,. you interact with people you
meet on the street. You can also play in a "Just Visiting" mode and
explore the city. However, the places you can really go are rather
limited.

Nerva

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Romans using Chariots - scouting and transporting
From:	Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
Date:	20 Feb 2002 01:25:11 -0300

Em Ter, 2002-02-19 às 22:16, tasia escreveu:
> Didn't the Egyptians use chariots for war? I thought the Romans did in Egypt as well.
>
> tasia

"Ancient Egypt" lasted for 3 millenaries. The Middle Empire, roughly 2nd
milleneray BC, used a large number of chariots.

Rome conquered "Egypt" in the last half of the 1st century BC, and
conquered it from Cleopatra, a _Macedonian_ (~greek) queen, the first of
her dinasty to even speak egyptian.
The Macedonian army never used any chariots they relied principaly on
the phalanx, and by Cleopatra's time even this heavy formation was
little (no more?) used. Since the roman showed the value of smaller more
mobile formations in the 3rd and 2nd centuries BC.

Thinking of 1st century egypt using war chariots is equivalent to
thinking that the US army used wagons as mobile fortifications against
Irak in Desert Storm because you saw them use it in against the indians
in a western movie.

Manius Villius Limitanus

Subject:	[novaroma] Tax payments via Mail
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:44:42 -0000

Salvete Quirites,

I have received checks for a number of tax payments via the mail
(actually more than I expected). I am endorsing these "Nova Roma -
for deposit only", which means they can only be deposited in Nova
Roma's bank account, and I am accumulating them for deposit via mail
into Nova Roma's bank account in Maine, USA (I happen to be in
Tennessee, USA).

When the Consular Quaestores receive a confirmed tax payment, they
enter the revelant information into a web data base (designed by our
brilliant Curator Araneum: Marcus Octavius Germaincus), which, among
other things, sends an e-mail to the paying cive confirming the
receipt of their payment.

It has been our practice, not to confirm payments via check until the
checks "clear" the bank (that is assurance is given to our bank that
the money is actually in the payor's account). If you have paid by
check, and your e-mail is published, I have sent you a private e-mail
assuring you that the check arrived. I have just successfully
communicated with Nova Roma's bank today (after 4 calls and being
sent to the same unhelpful place each time - aren't large companies
fun ;-) and established the procedure for depsoit via mail.
Therefore, your checks should be deposited soon and your formal
receipt forthcoming.

You may wonder, "Why didn't they just ask us to send the checks to
Maine?" Two reasons: (1) The payments have to be recorded and
accounted for (my duty), and (2) we wanted to keep the cost of
bonding people who might handle money to a minimum. I have been
bonded up to $10,000 and am the only one receiving funds (checks).

If you have any questions about your payment, I can be e-mailed at
ksterne@belleouth.net or payments@novaroam.org.

Thanks for your patience and understanding as we work through this
firt year of tax collection.

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Consular Quaestor

Subject:	[novaroma] Think More Before Speaking!!
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:25:27 -0500 (EST)

Quaestor Gaius Popillius Laenus;

Well, I try to give some thought to what I say. To the extent that I
will not pass on material which is to my mind obviously wrong,
inaccurate, or foolish. I do not accuse individual's by name unless
thier trespasses are clearly before the paradym in which I make my
comments. Finally, I do not lecture or give advice, since both are
inappropriate i this particular venue.

I always try to grant the reciever of my messages his / her rank, in my
salutations, and the respect that I have for him / her in the ending of
the message. I have done this since my acceptance in Nova Roma. A
brief review of the Nova Roma archives will verify what I say, I have
explained, and the Honored Senior Consul has confirmed, that the "Senior
Quaestor" refers only to the number of votes cast in the election in
which I was elected, and I have stated that my purpose in that instance
was to honor the Praetor to whom I am very proud to be assigned (Praetor
Strabo). My other honors and responsibilities were bestowed upon me by
the Citizens of Nova Roma, and I am proud to honor them by stating those
honors behind my name as I think proper for the purpose of the message I
am sending. I regret that you obviously do not feel the same pride and
appreciation that I do for the recognition of my fellow citizens, but
that is entirely your own business.

My various positions and ranks, I very seldom use, unless I wish to make
a point, and my messages have always been related to topics on this
list. In Nova Roma, we generally do not post "me too" messages, so that
most of the messages found on the Main List are messages which provide
the Main List with the senders views openly and which are subject to
criticism of those subscribed to the main list. I have recieved a
handful of complaints in regard to messages I have sent over the past
few years to the Main List, it is true--mostly from those opposed to my
political views. However, I have also recieved hundreds of messages in
support of what I have said and how I have said it. So, in consequence,
I believe I will honor the majority's views, and as I has done often
before thank them for thier very flattering and very positive support of
my views and style in this venue, and be pleased to continue in like
vein.

I do not consider myself "one of the important ones" in Nova Roma
necessarily, but I have things that I wish to say. Very often these
things, are ideas which I have gotten from the organizations from within
Nova Roma to which I belong or which I support. It is my feeling that
perhaps from the many people who choose to join those self-same
organizations in significant numbers, they and others may be interested
in these ideas. I am sorry that you are not, but then one can only do
his best:

"Anyone may serve some of the people, all of the time;------Anyone may
serve all of the people. some of the time;---------But No-one may serve
all of the people, all of the time!!!!!!!!!"

I try not to insult people, or cause them to feel bad, unless they have
in turn made accusations or comments against others, and then I try to
make my comments in a polite way using polite language, not making
unfounded, and inaccurate accusations, as you have done, which are not
only false, but insulting.

In regard to the Century question, the whole thing was done badly,
holding up Magistrates to ridicule for no reason, reading into a feat of
impressive labor sinister meanings and a plot for what reason is still
not clear, as well as the obviously great deal of labor expended, could
better have been directed to something more constructive, in my view.
that might help Nova Roma, rather than hurt her. I do not know the
author of that question, so I can only respond to his character by the
way he does and says things on ths list. I understand that he lives in
a country other than the United States, and probably his first language
is not English, however, since my Nova Roma friends in Pannonia, Italy,
Sweden, Canada, Portugal, Spain, Germany, and France usually post here
with courtesy, and submitting messages in support of Nova Roma and the
ideals of the micronation, I naturally supposed that courtesy was a
international given. This is further supported by my friends outside of
Nova Roma in Brazil, Columbia, Panama, and Mexico. My apologies if I
have misread your intent. Sometimes it is difficult to read the proper
take on what is courteus in a culture other than one's own, and I have
not had the opportunity to visit the Southern portion of South America.
My wife has however, and as a experienced traveler was charmed with the
Citizens of Brazil and Argentina, but perhaps she was simply put off by
a group of people who practised courtesy for the benefit of tourists!!!

I am sorry that you see my messages as lectures, they are not so
intended, but as several wits, on the Main List have quipped, "If you
don't like or don't agree with any given message, you may delete it."

I do not care for accusations against hard-working Magistrates, who
carry
the micronation along. I do not care for "fluff" information which is
inaccurate or untrue or both. Senator Q. Fabius Maximus was quite right
when he cautioned that information on the Main List of Nova Roma may
well be forwarded to many others claiming accuracy because of it's
association with a Roman Organization. If in my messages setting that
aright, I have seemed overbearing and self-important, I am sorry, but
your opinion in that area does not in any way diminish my view of the
actions necessity. Further many younger people view older and more
experienced officers as overbearing and sel-important. It is a long
standing concern with the younger and less thoughtful set, because
generally they do not have the experience to consider of aspects of a
question. Young people are however extremely valuable for thier dive
and enthusiasm. Such is the the reason such a "mix" is used the world
over.

In closing, I must tell you, that as a Senator and a Magistrate. as a
ProConsul and appointed Mllitum Officer, and as the holder of the Cursus
Honorium and founder of two Sodalitas, I have an strong interest in Nova
Roma becoming a recognized entity for the accurate and determined study
of Roman History and Culture. I have little sympathy with anyone who
makes unfounded accusations against her, involves her deliberately with
historical inaccuracies, and with those who cannot control their
impulses to insult, belittle or "call names" to express their
frustrations. I consider it my duty, so long as I hold the authority
given to me by the Citizens of Nova Roma to speak and act against those
disruptions to the micronation, and I intend to fully fulfill that duty,
to the best of my ablity, and to the need to do so as I see it.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Subject:	[novaroma] Attention voters!
From:	"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@compuland.com.br>
Date:	Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:58:33 -0300

Salvete Cives!


The civis with the voter tracking numbers #13069, #14070 has a malformed or invalid voter code.
The civis with the voter tracking numbers #12078, #13067 and 14068 has a malformed or invalid voter code.

Please remember that the codes are formed by three letters and three numbers.

If you have a problem, please go to your profile page on the Nova Roma website to get your Voter Code, or contact the Censors.


Valete

Titus Horatius Atticus, Rogator



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	[novaroma] TAX EXTENSION FOR ARGENTINA
From:	"Joaquim Palau" <jpalau@bytemaster.es>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:20:11 +0100

Salve Civites!

I'm a simply pelbeian citizen of Nova Roma with not much relevance in
comitia but I would like to give my opinion about this matter.
Do you consider, Quirites and Senatoribus that the importance of
Argentinian civites in the whole NR community is so high that their
contribution to our teasury is estrictly necessary?
Could it be possible for them to be exempted of this contribution during
this year?

I think NR will not be affected in such an important way and we can make
an effort to help them in that serious political and ecomonical
situation in Argentina.

Please think deeply in the fact.

Gratias multas.

Ave.
Servius Adrianus Barcinonensis
Cives Hispani Novae Romae


Senatus Consultum:
> TAX EXTENSION FOR ARGENTINA
>
> A. Given the serious political and economic situation that has
> persisted in the Provinca of Argentina, it is highly unlikely that
> those
> citizens will be able to pay the taxes by the established cut-off
> date
> of February 28, 2755 (2002).
>
> B. The Senatus Consultum that established taxes gives the
> opportunity
> for the Senate to grant extensions on a provincia by provincia basis
> up
> til the last day of August. For reasons of extraordinary mitigating
> circumstances.
>
> C. To reassure the citizens in the provincia of Argentina, who are
> suffering through extraordinary mitigating circumstances, the
> deadline
> by which a residents of Argentina's taxes must be paid is hereby
> extended til August 31, 2755 (2002). This extension is for the
> current
> year only.

Subject:	[novaroma] List Ambience
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:20:51 -0800 (PST)

All--I most heartily agree about the bickering.

(Bianchius)
>Let's all get back to bickering about something
else...

While I do think that G. Cornelius Publius should
leave NR if he rarely reads the list and doesn't care
to participate in NR in general, I think he (and M.
Bianchius) have valid points about the bickering on
this list.

I have questions about Nova Roma that I dearly wish to
ask--and I will ask them--but I certainly won't do so
on this list. Why? Because I don't want to start up
yet another firestorm.

On a list in which people have hissy-fits (20-30
messages!) about a simple, funny, Space Shuttle
tall-tale, there is no way that I'll bring up a
question about century points here. I will ask it of
a knowledgeable individual, in private email, and most
of the folks on this list will never hear anything
more about it.

I think this is what might have been meant about
people who 'extinguish discussion.' You don't have to
actively squash a topic, to stop discussion. You just
have to make the likely consequences of bringing the
topic up so abhorrent that people go elsewhere to
learn.

I have seen some useful discussions on this list--The
debates about the leges on gens registration and
languages were very interesting to read and gave me
points of view on these subjects that I had not
previously thought of. The discussions I saw on this
list influenced my vote. But even in those cases,
there were people who got, in my opinion, hysterical
about those leges, simply because they didn't appear
to have adequately read the leges in question. Then,
others responded to those outbursts, and things
snowballed. Admittedly, some of the initial confusion
may have been due to difficulty with English.

I very much enjoy this list when people talk about
significant or even trivial things in a reasonable
manner. But if there are people who decide not to
join NR because of the (in my opinion) unnecessary
argumentativeness they sometimes see here, I can't say
I blame them. There are more fun things to do in life
than sit through a bunch of arguments.

---
Renata Corva Cantrix


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] TAX EXTENSION FOR ARGENTINA
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:03:10 -0800

Ave Servius Adrianus Barcinonesis et al,

You have every right to speak your mind on any subject that has been presented to the Senate or People. Please always feel free to express yourself.

I wish it was entirely possible to have those citizens exempted for the entire year. However, that is not possible without rewriting the Senatus Consultum that was promulgated by Consul Flavius Vedius. The current Senatus Consultum states that extensions on a provincia by provincia basis can be delayed till the last day of August.

So, we are trying to give our citizens in the Provincia of Argentina the fullest possible extension that we can. Let me further state that giving this situation there is a very high probability that the Senatus Consultum will be rewritten sometime later this year to account for various tax situations that have arisen, including this very issue.

I sincerely hope that this will alleviate your concerns.

Very Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma
----- Original Message -----
From: Joaquim Palau
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:20 AM
Subject: [novaroma] TAX EXTENSION FOR ARGENTINA


Salve Civites!

I'm a simply pelbeian citizen of Nova Roma with not much relevance in
comitia but I would like to give my opinion about this matter.
Do you consider, Quirites and Senatoribus that the importance of
Argentinian civites in the whole NR community is so high that their
contribution to our teasury is estrictly necessary?
Could it be possible for them to be exempted of this contribution during
this year?

I think NR will not be affected in such an important way and we can make
an effort to help them in that serious political and ecomonical
situation in Argentina.

Please think deeply in the fact.

Gratias multas.

Ave.
Servius Adrianus Barcinonensis
Cives Hispani Novae Romae


Senatus Consultum:
> TAX EXTENSION FOR ARGENTINA
>
> A. Given the serious political and economic situation that has
> persisted in the Provinca of Argentina, it is highly unlikely that
> those
> citizens will be able to pay the taxes by the established cut-off
> date
> of February 28, 2755 (2002).
>
> B. The Senatus Consultum that established taxes gives the
> opportunity
> for the Senate to grant extensions on a provincia by provincia basis
> up
> til the last day of August. For reasons of extraordinary mitigating
> circumstances.
>
> C. To reassure the citizens in the provincia of Argentina, who are
> suffering through extraordinary mitigating circumstances, the
> deadline
> by which a residents of Argentina's taxes must be paid is hereby
> extended til August 31, 2755 (2002). This extension is for the
> current
> year only.

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] TAX EXTENSION FOR ARGENTINA
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:42:34 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete Quirites.

--- Joaquim Palau <jpalau@bytemaster.es> wrote:
> Salve Civites!
>
> I'm a simply pelbeian citizen of Nova Roma with not much relevance in
> comitia but I would like to give my opinion about this matter.
> Do you consider, Quirites and Senatoribus that the importance of
> Argentinian civites in the whole NR community is so high that their
> contribution to our teasury is estrictly necessary?
> Could it be possible for them to be exempted of this contribution
> during this year?
>
> I think NR will not be affected in such an important way and we can
> make an effort to help them in that serious political and ecomonical
> situation in Argentina.
>
> Please think deeply in the fact.
>
> Gratias multas.
>
> Ave.
> Servius Adrianus Barcinonensis
> Cives Hispani Novae Romae

I have to wholeheartedly agree with my comprovincial here. I guess that
the situation in Argentina will probably not have been solved by the
month of September. If that is the case, I would like to see the Senate
delaying this payment further more, perhaps at least until next year.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Fwd: meeting in Munich (german and english)
From:	"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:49:12 -0000

--- In Egressus@y..., "mcserapio" <mcserapio@y...> wrote:
AVETE SODALES

Ich werde vom 19. Marz bis zum 22. Marz in Munchen sein.
Wenn jemand denkt, dass es interessant, nutzlich oder (warum nicht?)
belustigend sein kònnte, ich werde zum Mittagessen und am Abend frei
sein. Wenn jemand mir treffen will, schreiben sie einen Botschaft,
bitte.
Danke.
(entschuldigung, ich kann keine Umlaut schreiben!)

VALETE MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
Praefectus Italiae Europaeque Orientalis
Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis munere fungens
Civis Provinciae Italiae
-----------------------------------------------------------------
AVETE SODALES


I will be in Munich from 19th March to 22th March. If anybody
thinks that it could be interesting, useful or (way not?) amusing, I
will be free at lunch and in the evening. If anybody wants to meet
me, pleas write a message.
Thank you.

VALETE MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
Praefectus Italiae Europaeque Orientalis
Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis munere fungens
Civis Provinciae Italiae
--- End forwarded message ---

Subject:	[novaroma] Pip's Mom - Venii's Mater
From:	Piparskeggr - Venator <catamount_grange@inwave.com>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:51:01 -0600

Health and Luck All,

Been a bit distracted that past several days,
as some of you know, by waiting on news of my mother.

Just got a call from my brother Leonard.

She's come through the triple bypass operation,
this Odinsdæg morning, real well.

Doctor said she responded good, better than average,
and she opened her eyes when my dad (Stewart)
went into the recovery room, with my sister Anne,
and caressed her forehead.
I can imagine the tears of relief in his eyes.
They'll be 46 years wed on June 9th.

She shook her head "No" when the nurse asked
if she was cold, wouldn't complain if she was.

It'll be hard enough when the time does come for
her final walk, I'm so grateful to the Gods that
it wasn't now.

Please ask That Which You Hold Holy for good health,
not only for my mom (Jean Patricia Robinson),
but for yours, too. Despite differences we may have
with them over the years, we are here because of them.

My thanks to those who did know before now,
and sent their best wishes.

Most especially, thanks Mom,
for helping me become the man I am,
by teaching me to read,
and to think for myself,
and for respecting me as an individual,
and loving me in spite of it.

--
=========================================
In great relief and happiness
-Piparskeggr known as Venator

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Think More Before Speaking!!
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:57:48 -0000

Salve Marce Minuci, Senator, Consularis, Proconsul et Quaestor,

It's ironic that the title of this thread is "Thinking before
speaking", since if I had done so I probably would not have made the
original post on the Main List. That said, this type of speaking out
in public is very Roman, so I will address it one last time and then
leave it alone. Also, please do not take this to be politically
motivated. From what little I know of your politics, I would say we
generally agree. In fact, I wonder if your attitude toward me is not
motivated by my close association with some of your political
opponents. (The use of caps below is for emphasis, not shouting).

Perhaps, as you say, a majority of Nova Roma cives admire your style
and appreciate the role you play here on the Main List, but I know
that others find some of your posts to be sarcastic, aristocratic,
and didactic. It may be that you receive only a handful of criticism
because people simply do not wish to suffer your retorts. I made my
post because your latest posts about the "Space Shuttle", and the
sarcasm to the cive who posted regarding the centuries (added to a
few I will quote below) finally made me lose my temper.

This was your response to my ML post asking for Roman names and
Provinces along with tax payments:

MMA - Post 29451: "If you need extra information, may I respectfully
suggest that you make a place for it in the application, where the
requirement is clearly understood as requested but optional. Please
remember, that not all Web Users are experts at it, or even in many
cases amateurs. I am certainly
not!!!"

GPL: In my opinion this is a rather rude reply to a polite request.
However, I posted in reply why we could not alter the form, along
with a light toned note that I recognized your name. I received no
reply.

MMA - Post 29538: "It is understood by the Honored Senior Consul and
his assigned Quaestor, that not all of the problems of the tax
gathering system have been eliminated, or perhaps even addressed."

GPL: By omission, this says to me that you believe that the Junior
Consul and HIS assigned Quaestor (ME), do NOT understand the issues.
I don't know how you would know what I do or do not understand about
taxation, since, other than a few posts on the "Consular Staff" list,
we have not discussed it. Perhaps I am strange, but I take the above
as an insult to me and Lucius Cornelius, and a belittling of our
magistracies by a self-professed senior cive and Senator.

MMA – Post 29538 (cont.): "It is truly unfortunate that not
all in Nova Roma understand that fact, but rest assured, my friend,
that those who really matter do understand the situation."

GPL: And just who are "those who really matter"? Is there a list I
should refer to? Now, I am being sarcastic, but I often feel you
believe there are some in NR who deserve to be here and some you wish
you could "delete". Which category one falls in seems to depend on
your estimate of how much "work" they have done for NR. Again, it
may just be me, but I find the attitude haughty and offensive.

MMA - Post 29560: "In answer to your query, I refer to the Honored
Senior Consul, the Censors, the Praetors, the Tribunes that I know,
and the majority of the Junior Magistrates, Senators and Governors
with whom I have communicated. I trust them, and it is my hope that
they trust me. I think that is about as good as you can get in a
internet micronation."

GPL: The Junior Consul is not mentioned, and, therefore, I assume
you do not trust him. I can only speculate about the minority of
junior magistrates you do not trust. Such disrespect to one of our
two highest serving magistrates seems inappropriate to me especially
coming from, again, such a senior cive. There was another similar
post about trusting the Censores and the SENIOR Consul, but I won't
take the time to locate it.

Now as to your most recent post.

MMA – "My other honors and responsibilities were bestowed upon me by
the Citizens of Nova Roma, and I am proud to honor them by stating
those honors behind my name as I think proper for the purpose of the
message I am sending. I regret that you obviously do not feel the
same pride and appreciation that I do for the recognition of my
fellow citizens, but that is entirely your own business."

GPL: In this last sentence you make an erroneous assumption. I am
most proud of recognition and honors I receive from fellow cives, as
little as they may be. To me, attaching a string of titles and
accomplishments to my every signature is pompous. Perhaps I am
unfair here; but that's the way it strikes me.

MMA – "Further many younger people view older and more
experienced officers as overbearing and self-important. It is a long
standing concern with the younger and less thoughtful set, because
generally they do not have the experience to consider of aspects of a
question."

GPL: Well this is a classic difference in point of view (I chuckle
as I read it, not that it is humerous, but that it is the very crux
of the issues between us). Perhaps some young people view their
elders as overbearing and self-important because the elders do indeed
feel they are somehow superior by simple virtue of having lived
longer. Or perhaps the younger folks are put off at being thought of
as "less thoughtful". As an aside, I am a little younger than you,
but unfortunately, no longer young and certainly not inexperienced.

With regard to the "Senior" Quaestor issue, it is simply not
historic. In antiqua recognition of Senior and Junior was with
regard to the Consulship and no other magistracy. You say it is to
honor Pompeia Cornelia, and I will take it at that (she is certainly
an honorable person and magistrate). Maybe I need to grow up, but as
a fellow Quaestor, it rankles me every time I see it.


MMA – "I have an strong interest in Nova Roma becoming a recognized
entity for the accurate and determined study of Roman History and
Culture. I have little sympathy with anyone who makes unfounded
accusations against her, involves her deliberately with historical
inaccuracies, and with those who cannot control their impulses to
insult, belittle or "call names" to express their
frustrations."

GPL: I agree completely, although sometimes my temper gets the
better of me.


MMA - I am sorry that you see my messages as lectures, they are not so
intended, but as several wits, on the Main List have quipped, "If you
don't like or don't agree with any given message, you may delete it."

GPL: Perhaps that is good advice. Much of my disagreement with you
could simply be miscommunication. Perhaps my observations above will
shed some light. Finally though, I assure you I am my own man
regardless of my friends, political stances, or associations.

Gaius Popillius Laenas
as Privatus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Pip's Mom - Venii's Mater
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:04:42 -0000

Salve,

Mi amici you, your father, mother, and family have all of my best
wishes and prayers.

Ill health or death of a parent is very hard one the children, but it
is even harder on the healthy/surviving partner.

May the God(s) watch over all of you.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

Subject:	[novaroma] Legos and Antiquity
From:	labienus@texas.net
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:29:24 US/Central

Salvete

This is really neat. Be sure to browse a little.

http://www.ancient-theme.com/1998/olson.html

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	[novaroma] Poem: A Song to Minerva
From:	Piparskeggr - Venator <catamount_grange@inwave.com>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:36:47 -0600

Avete Omnes,

The central song of a ritual to give Honor to Minerva I m composing.

The first stanza is repeated as the chorus.

She walks in us - A lay of Minerva

Minerva, tall, graceful, serene,
Grey-eyed One, mind fully wise
Elder Goddess of Roman Tribes
We hear Your Voice, within our hearts

In Roman minds, inspire thought;
In Roman hearts, set wisdom's gift;
To Roman hands, give crafting skill;
In Romans all, instill true pride.
- Chorus -

In Elder Days, Etruscans called,
To You Wise One, Holy Mnvra.
They heard Your Voice, in sage's words,
In buildings, crafts, they honored you
- Chorus -

Upon a hill, the Capital,
Your shrine was there, with Juno, Jove;
>From Roman hands, came sacrifice,
In Roman voice, were praises sung.
- Chorus -

Your Name did spread, as Legions marched;
>From Latium, across the world;
In shield's defense and hasta thrust,
In civic works, built by their hands.
- Chorus -

And as Rome did meet other folk;
Your Genius wise was seen again;
In Others who, Goddesses were,
Of crafting things and knowledge gain.
- Chorus -

Athena fine, we mostly see,
As like unto, Minerva proud,
Hellenic One, of Holy Mien,
With Spear and Shield, and Scrolls of Lore.
- Chorus -

And sometimes still, Minerva speaks;
Gives counsel wise, to listening heart,
Of we who live upon this earth,
In faithful will and open mind.
- Chorus -

In Roman minds, inspire thought;
In Roman hearts, set wisdom's gift;
To Roman hands, give crafting skill;
In Romans all, instill true pride.
- Chorus -
- Chorus -

--
=========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Civis Nova Romana et Paterfamilias
Legatus Occidentalis pro Magna Lacus

Domus Familias
http://www.geocities.com/gens_ulleria/index.html

Dominus Sodalis
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"Kemer wyth na wrylly gasa an forth goth rag an forth noweth!
(Take care not to discard the old ways for the new ways).
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Romans using Chariots - scouting and transporting messages.
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:34:39 EST

In a message dated 2/20/02 4:35:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
loos@qt1.iq.usp.br writes:


> Thinking of 1st century egypt using war chariots is equivalent to
> thinking that the US army used wagons as mobile fortifications against
> Irak in Desert Storm because you saw them use it in against the indians
> in a western movie.
>

Excellent analogy!

QFM


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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Pip's Mom - Venii's Mater
From:	"Lewis Jones" <cloviscathmor@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:17:35 -0500

Salve, My brother and Friend, May the gods blessing be with you and your
parents, and my regards and prayers to them.

Clovius

Pukulpa Tjunguringkunytja - by Diana James

We walk together on sacred ground. Black feet, white feet, treading softly
on the land. Mother Kuniya moves beneath our feet, the Tjukurpa/Creation Law
breathes life into the sacred landscape of Uluru. White guides and Anangu
guides, working together. We stand firm in the laws of the two cultures,
keeping the cultural and natural heritage strong. Our feet on sacred ground
our hands reach up to hold the new circle of life; The campfire, the
waterhole, where people of all cultures can meet and share.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Piparskeggr - Venator [mailto:catamount_grange@inwave.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:51 PM
To: þe Meadhall
Cc: Forum Nova Roma; þe Vinnish Folk-builders
Subject: [novaroma] Pip's Mom - Venii's Mater


Health and Luck All,

Been a bit distracted that past several days,
as some of you know, by waiting on news of my mother.

Just got a call from my brother Leonard.

She's come through the triple bypass operation,
this Odinsdæg morning, real well.

Doctor said she responded good, better than average,
and she opened her eyes when my dad (Stewart)
went into the recovery room, with my sister Anne,
and caressed her forehead.
I can imagine the tears of relief in his eyes.
They'll be 46 years wed on June 9th.

She shook her head "No" when the nurse asked
if she was cold, wouldn't complain if she was.

It'll be hard enough when the time does come for
her final walk, I'm so grateful to the Gods that
it wasn't now.

Please ask That Which You Hold Holy for good health,
not only for my mom (Jean Patricia Robinson),
but for yours, too. Despite differences we may have
with them over the years, we are here because of them.

My thanks to those who did know before now,
and sent their best wishes.

Most especially, thanks Mom,
for helping me become the man I am,
by teaching me to read,
and to think for myself,
and for respecting me as an individual,
and loving me in spite of it.

--
=========================================
In great relief and happiness
-Piparskeggr known as Venator

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: TAX EXTENSION FOR ARGENTINA
From:	"sceptia" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:35:29 -0000

Salve.

--- In novaroma@y..., Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites.
>
> --- Joaquim Palau <jpalau@b...> wrote:
> > Salve Civites!
> >
> > I'm a simply pelbeian citizen of Nova Roma with not much
relevance in
> > comitia but I would like to give my opinion about this matter.
> > Do you consider, Quirites and Senatoribus that the importance of
> > Argentinian civites in the whole NR community is so high that
their
> > contribution to our teasury is estrictly necessary?
> > Could it be possible for them to be exempted of this contribution
> > during this year?
> >
> > I think NR will not be affected in such an important way and we
can
> > make an effort to help them in that serious political and
ecomonical
> > situation in Argentina.
> >
> > Please think deeply in the fact.
> >
> > Gratias multas.
> >
> > Ave.
> > Servius Adrianus Barcinonensis
> > Cives Hispani Novae Romae
>
> I have to wholeheartedly agree with my comprovincial here. I guess
that
> the situation in Argentina will probably not have been solved by the
> month of September. If that is the case, I would like to see the
Senate
> delaying this payment further more, perhaps at least until next
year.
>
> =====
> Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
> Gnaeus Salix Astur.
> Tribunus Plebis
> Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
> Triumvir Academiae Thules
> Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
> Lictor Curiatus.

Just add my support to this idea. I agree with S. A. Barcionensis and
Gn. Sl. Astur. I´m sure citizens in Argentina are trying to do the
best but a delay in payment will be the best solution. I hope things
will work fine. Good luck! :-)

Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius.

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: TAX EXTENSION FOR ARGENTINA
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:18:27 -0000

Salvete Quirites,

To clarify (I hope), I believe the original post was suggesting an
elimination of taxes for Provincia Argentina for 2755 a.u.c. rather
than an extension as I understand is being proposed to the Senate.

If the situation there is as dire as I understand it, such an
elimination would certainly make sense. However, as I understand
Consul Sulla's response to this issue, he intends the current
extension proposal as a temporary measure and expects the Senate to
consider additional Consulta rergarding taxes (for Argentina as well
as other issues) once the tax collection process is closer to
complete.

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

Subject:	[novaroma] Magistrate Steps
From:	"arloro1" <antoniuscorvusseptimius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:41:20 -0000

A. Corvus Septimius Publicus Popoli Romani et amicii S.P.D.

I would respectfully ask all of the magistrates to post our
steps toward the revival of our culture, on a weekly (perhaps monthly
basis). I am certain, that the cives would like to see our tax monies
at work.
A question. How do you (our magistrates) express the revival
in your own communities? Each day there should be one step taken
closer to the revival of our culture, within our macronational
communities. This could be weekly provincial meetings (the point of
discussion being that of presenting ourselves to our macronational
neighbors). Or, making ourselves a bit more visible everyday.

te cura

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Legos and Antiquity
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:48:31 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete Hispanici.

En dos palabras: im presionante :-).

Echadle un vistazo, amici.

--- labienus@texas.net wrote:
> Salvete
>
> This is really neat. Be sure to browse a little.
>
> http://www.ancient-theme.com/1998/olson.html
>
> Valete
> T Labienus Fortunatus

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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