Subject:	[novaroma] to Vedius Germanicus
From:	"Cl. Sl. Davianus" <davius_sanctex@terra.es>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:56:05 +0100

Salve Germanice,

it is a pleasure to see you in this list novo more, my respects to you!

Cl. Sl. Davianus



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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: An inquiry about the composition centuries
From:	"Cl. Sl. Davianus" <davius_sanctex@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:22:13 +0100

Salvete cives,

> In closing, however, I must tell you that I am impressed by one
facet of your message. In the determination, review, gathering and
posting of your information you must have spent some hours of labor.
My impression is that had you spent your time and effort a little
more wisely, some Province would now be in possesion of some very
valuable new laws. proposals, a volunteer for needed activities or
any one of many other useful and productive efforts. Too Bad ,
really!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens

By allusions I will say only these:
(1) To a clever citizen with appropiate means only take about an hour can be gathered and posted the results of the centuries. (This is the time that take it to me).
(2) The impression of my care Audens is clearly wrong. I didn't spend more time in my inquiry than Audems himself in critizing me ;-) I said this with all my respect for eminens Senator Audens!
(3) I can explain that also an Honarable Consul wasted rencently a good amount of calories in a vane quarrel about a personal and insignificant complaint of mine in a Provincial List.

I really don't consider the words "Too Bad, really!!!!!!!!!!" very construcitve ;-) specially if we think that only a misinformation or wrong impression inspired these words.

I will not abound in vane polemics. Respectfully,

Cl. Sl. Davianus


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Subject:	[novaroma] Women and religion
From:	=?iso-8859-1?Q?David_S=E1nchez?= <davius_sanctex@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:29:00 +0100

Salvete cives:

Apud regiligiones "morales" imperii: religio judaico-christiana, rel. zoroastriana, rel. masdeista, rel. manichaea ... [et aliae forsitan a me non dictae]. Aliquis potest dicere si:

(a) Laudant pauperitatem hominum?
(b) Incorporant magnopere faeminis?

______________________

Among the "moral " religions of the empire: Judaism-Christianism, Zorastrism, Mazdaism, Manicheism... [ and some other than has perhaps not mentioned ]. Somebody could say something to me on if these religions:

(1) Did they intercede for poverty of men?
(2) Did they give an active participation to women?

The question arises from a discussion with an friend on because the Mithraism (that was well on the verge of clearing the position to him to the Christianity did not prevail), apparently the Mithraism still being a zoroastrian religion favour over all the ritualism of pagan type and excludes women of these rites... The Mithraism dominated completely in some legions, as can be seen in the example of Constantius Chlorus, father of the emperor Constantinus = the responsible of christianization of the empire.
We know that many Mithraists Roman soldiers were married with Christian women, and clearly as the education of the children ran to the position of women the result was frequently a Christian boy (this the case of Constantinus is a little, I think, whose mother Helena was Christian and its father was a Mithraist).

Cl. Sl. Davianus


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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Legos and Antiquity
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <pokrock@aol.com>
Date:	Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:50:36 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., labienus@t... wrote:
> Salvete
>
> This is really neat. Be sure to browse a little.
>
> http://www.ancient-theme.com/1998/olson.html
>
> Valete
> T Labienus Fortunatus

Salve,

That is neat. Makes me want to be a little kid again. Thanks for
the link.

I suppose though some would consider this frivilous, but without the
frivilous, life would be down right tediuous!

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Think More Before Speaking!!
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:36:59 -0500 (EST)

Privatus Gaius Popillius Laenus;

As you say, speaking out in public is a Roman trait, and yet you
criticize me for doing so!!! Since I am not even sure who your
political friends are, I doubt your supposition. Since they are your
friends, it is none of my business, and I do not care to know.

People who are polite, who do not make unfounded accusations, strike at
Nova Rova Roma, and her hard-working Magistrates who work for the
micronation do not suffer my retorts.

My posts regarding the Space Shuttle and the rediculous Century
accusations were not sarcastic. I meant what I said. Our Honored
Senior Consul has indicated that he thinks I was too harsh in my
response and I do not agree with him. Anything else along those lines?

A 7 line response to a request in which I used the terms "respectfully
request" and "please remember" Well, I guess if you say that was rude,
you have the advantage of me. In my world "please and respectfully
request" are not rude expressions!!??!! Your "light response" explained
that no such change could be made. What further response do you need
from me???? I believe you already!

In regard to my associations with Consul Sulla, he is well aware of
them, by private post. Any further discussion regarding that aspect is
no-one's business, and requesting that kind of information, I consider
to be rude!!!!!! Very Rude!!!!!!!! I have said what I have said, and I
meant what I said. That should be sufficient fr anyone!!! My
responses are to what I read, if I am mistaken, I will and have many
times apologized when I see that such apologies are indeed due. I have
only met five or six NR Citizens, so I must rely upon what they say, to
determine who they are. It is a poor way of doing things, which I have
often said, but it will have to do for now. Those people, whom I honor,
have earned such many times over, and there is no question in my mind
based on literally hundreds of situations, about their honor and
integrity. The votes of the NR Citizens for 7 consecutive elections,
are good enough for me, that and the trust and friendship of those whom
I trust in return. The view of others I do not consider all that
important, unless the points they make, make sense to me.

Your opinions are your own, and mine are my own. I do not suppose that
I will change yours and nothing that you have said, to date, will cause
me to change mine.

I do not normally list any positions behind my name, unless for very
specific reasons, which are my reasons and my decisions. Unless I
choose to reveal them, no-one will understand. I normally do not reveal
my reasons even to friends, and certainly not to anyone rude enough to
stick their nose into my business. Your research into my past
conversatins will reveal that to you whether you choose to admit it or
not. The reasons are quite simple. Almost everyone knows me. Those
people who are new, and who have reviewed the past year or so of the NR
archives will know me better than those who have not. I have little
control over that aspect of NR life.

I don't believe that I have ever said that you were not your own man,
and I am sorry that you feel that I am an old, sarcastic, and self-made
fool. For those things of which you accuse me are foolish. When I was
30, I thought that many things that older people cautioned about were
silly. Now that I am 65 I see that many things I thought earlier that
were unimportant really are. Most people learn through experience. A
few learn from the words of others, but not many. I have only met one
or two in my life.

There are many things that we do in NR that are not
historical-------slavery abolished, women voting and holding office,
Magistrates measured for the Senate by effort rather than by money and
influence, lack of legions to enforce our will, no blood sacrifice, few
if any citizens beleve in river spirits, and our own Constitution.
Frankly, I rather like the unhistorical part of NR, but as I have said,
your opinions are your own. However, my opinions are mine, as well.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Subject:	[novaroma] Does anyone know???
From:	"corvus_cassius_taurusis" <corvus_cassius_taurusis@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:24:27 -0000

I found this armorer on the web but have no idea his reputation or
quality. His prices are good for beginers but I'm afraid to recomend
or use someone I know nothing about.
Here's a link to his site.
http://www.geocities.com/armures2002/alorica.html
Anyone with information please let me know.
Thanks,
Corvus Cassius Taurusis

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Think More Before Speaking!!
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:27:00 -0000

Salve Marce Minuci,

>>In regard to my associations with Consul Sulla, he is well aware of
them, by private post. Any further discussion regarding that aspect is
no-one's business, and requesting that kind of information, I consider
to be rude!!!!!! Very Rude!!!!!!!! <<


I said I would say no more, but I must comment on the above. I did
not request any information about your relationship with Consul
Sulla. I only noted your disrespect for him, and apparently by
association, for me.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
as Privatus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Women and religion
From:	mark zona <pitdog2002@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 06:59:12 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

I will only speak in regard for Judaism on this
question, the other religions I am not well enough
educated in.

>
> Among the "moral " religions of the empire:
> Judaism-Christianism, SNIP

Even in imperical times, the differences between
Judaism and Christianism were such that the two
religions should be considered seperately, and not
lumped together.
>
> (1) Did they intercede for poverty of men?

Yes. There was a mandatory annual tithe for the poor
in general which was distributed regardless of gender.
In addition, voluntary contributions were popular and
widely encouraged.

> (2) Did they give an active participation to women?

Yes, but the religious function of women in Judaism
was very different then men. Women were exempt from
most ritualistic requirements, but obligated in others
that men were exempt from. There were of coarse
requirements that included both men and women.

I hope this helps in some way.

Vale,

M. Antonius Zeno


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Subject:	[novaroma] Attention Voters!
From:	"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@compuland.com.br>
Date:	Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:33:04 -0300

Salvete Cives!


The cives with the voter tracking numbers 14075, 14076, 13075, 14081, 13079, 13080 have a malformed or invalid voter code.

Please remember that the codes are formed by three letters and three numbers.

If you have a problem, please go to your profile page on the Nova Roma website to get your Voter Code, or contact the Censors.


Valete

Titus Horatius Atticus, Rogator



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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Does anyone know???
From:	"gaiuscoriolanus" <coriolanus@centrum.sk>
Date:	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:26:45 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., "corvus_cassius_taurusis"
<corvus_cassius_taurusis@y...> wrote:
> I found this armorer on the web but have no idea his reputation or
> quality. His prices are good for beginers but I'm afraid to
recomend
> or use someone I know nothing about.
> Here's a link to his site.
> http://www.geocities.com/armures2002/alorica.html
> Anyone with information please let me know.
> Thanks,
> Corvus Cassius Taurusis


Try to ask on Sodalitas Miltarium list, there is a lot of experts on
Roman weaponry, and there is a lot of cives with experiences with
varius armorers.

Coriolanus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: The Space Shuttle and Roma
From:	"radams36" <radams40@juno.com>
Date:	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:53:58 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., Centurion M Bianchius Antonius
<imperialreign@y...> wrote:
>
>
> > > Ever wonder where engineering specifications come
> > from?
> > > The US standard railroad gauge (distance between
> > the rails)
> > > is 4 feet, 8. 5 inches, an exceedingly odd number.
> > Why was
> > > that gauge used? Because that's the way they
> > built them in
> > > England, and Englishmen built the US railroads.
<SNIP>
> > > The railroad line from the factory happens to run
> > through a tunnel in
> > > the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that
> > tunnel, which is
> > > slightly wider than the railroad track, and the
> > railroad track is about
> > > as
> > > wide
> > > as two horses' behinds.
> > >
> > > So. . . .
> > >
> > > a major design feature of what is arguably the
> > world's most advanced
> > > transportation system was determined two thousand
> > years ago by a
> > > horse's ass. Which, after all, is pretty much how
> > most government
> > > decisions
> > > are made.
> > >

Thanks for a post both informative and amusing - I enjoyed this one!

Vale Bene,

Rufus Iulius Palaeologus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: The Space Shuttle and Roma
From:	"radams36" <radams40@juno.com>
Date:	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:23:26 -0000

> Thanks for a post both informative and amusing - I enjoyed this one!
>
> Vale Bene,
>
> Rufus Iulius Palaeologus

Well, now don't I have egg on my face for being facile enough to
believe this earlier post. Ah, well, it was amusing, anyway. Anyone
have any info on how the standard railroad gauge really was
determined?

Rufus Iulius Palaeologus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Does anyone know???
From:	"mariuscorneliusscipio" <nramos@spawar.navy.mil>
Date:	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:50:53 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., "gaiuscoriolanus" <coriolanus@c...> wrote:
> --- In novaroma@y..., "corvus_cassius_taurusis"
> <corvus_cassius_taurusis@y...> wrote:
> > I found this armorer on the web but have no idea his reputation
or
> > quality. His prices are good for beginers but I'm afraid to
> recomend
> > or use someone I know nothing about.
> > Here's a link to his site.
> > http://www.geocities.com/armures2002/alorica.html
> > Anyone with information please let me know.
> > Thanks,
> > Corvus Cassius Taurusis
>
>
> Try to ask on Sodalitas Miltarium list, there is a lot of experts
on
> Roman weaponry, and there is a lot of cives with experiences with
> varius armorers.
>
> Coriolanus

Salvete omnes,

At first blush, his lorica doesn't look bad, but there are a few
details off on hinges and straps. Also, keep in mind that he does
them in stainless steel or aluminum - nice to put on display at
home, but completely wrong for reenactors. Mild steel or iron plate
(18 gauge or 16 gauge is OK, although 16 gauge is a bit heavy) would
be good. For a lot of good information on reenactor grade equipment,
Matthew Amt's website (which if memory serves me right, is linked to
from Nova Roma's web page) is a great place to start. Also check out
Legio IX Hispana (shameless plug for my Legio) or the Roman Legion
Quartermaster (www.rlqm.com). Commercially, Depeeka's stuff is still
being corrected by Mr. Dan Peterson, and it looks like they will
finally have a fully "reenactor-grade" kit available sometime in the
foreseeable future. Hope this helps.

Optime valete, et Venus nos ament
Marius Cornelius Scipio (Furiosus)
Miles probatii, LEG IX HSPA COH V

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [SodalitasMilitarium] Disaster in 170
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:59:50 -0500 (EST)

Mr. Hartwell;

Excellent Summary!!! I was not well aquainted with the Marcomannic
Wars, although I am particularly interested in the Danube Region and the
"Iron Gates" My interest peaked in that area while doing some research
with my Senate Colleague Alexander Probus, last year.

The towpath that was enlarged by Trajan out of solid rock was facinating
to me. Unfortunately it is now under the surface of the lake behind the
"Iron Gates" dam, but I did a picture of the road taken along the Danube
in the 1930's showing of the remains of the towpath. Beterthan 100
miles in length. with portions hewn completely out of bedrock, it was a
ver impressve task, and to my mind ranks with some of the Engineering
Wonders of the Anciet World. Peter Conolley's Book "Legionary"
(available from Amazon) has some very nice diagrams and drawings.

Thanks again for a very nice article. It is a real pleasure to have
several excellent Roman Military Historians in the Militarium.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens