Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Results for the Comitia Populi Tributa
From:	"germanicus_nr" <germanicus@novaroma.org>
Date:	Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:36:42 -0000

Salve,

--- In novaroma@y..., "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:

> * Tie. Counts as NO

The Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum Populi Tributorum, paragraph
V.3., clearly states "Should a tie occur within a given tribe... the
winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores may decide how such
decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner."

I would point out that the same applies to your reporting of the
count of the recent vote of the Comitia Centuriata.

There are no ties any more, in tribes or centuries.

Your counting of the vote (counting tied tribes as "no" votes) is
contrary to the procedure established by law. Your reasons for
counting it so are either intentional disregard for the law (which I
doubt) or simple incompetence.

Either way, you've bolluxed it up, and it needs to be redone. Try to
get it right next time.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Pater Patriae

Subject:	[novaroma] (unknown)
From:	"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:43:59 -0500

Salvete Quinte Cassi Calve et omnes,

Well That's two of us! Anyone else interested?

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus

-----Original Message-----
From: quintuscassiuscalvus [mailto:pokrock@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:09 PM
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Possible Nova Britannia Excursion

Salve,

--- In novaroma@y..., "C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@s...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> On Sunday March 3rd, there is going to be a "Gallery Talk"
concerning
> Roman portraiture at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts. The talks are
given
> by either curators or independent scholars and free with museum
> admission. Would anyone in Nova Britannia be interested in going?

I'd be interested since I don't live that far north of Boston.

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Results for the Comitia Populi Tributa
From:	"Julilla" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:49:48 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., "germanicus_nr" <germanicus@n...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> --- In novaroma@y..., "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
>
> > * Tie. Counts as NO
>
> The Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum Populi Tributorum, paragraph
> V.3., clearly states "Should a tie occur within a given tribe...
the
> winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores may decide how such
> decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner."
>
> I would point out that the same applies to your reporting of the
> count of the recent vote of the Comitia Centuriata.
>
> There are no ties any more, in tribes or centuries.
>
> Your counting of the vote (counting tied tribes as "no" votes) is
> contrary to the procedure established by law. Your reasons for
> counting it so are either intentional disregard for the law (which
I
> doubt) or simple incompetence.
>
> Either way, you've bolluxed it up, and it needs to be redone. Try
to
> get it right next time.
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Pater Patriae


Mea maxima culpa; the error is mine alone, and I am heartily sorry to
have passed on bad information to the consul, who simply reported
what I wrote him. I beg his pardon first, and the cives Novae Romane
second.

---
cura ut valeas,

@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curatror Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.konoko.net





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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Provincia Britanniae
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Fri, 01 Mar 2002 04:11:43 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., "Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@y...>
wrote:
> D. Iunius Silanus Omnibus S.P.D.

Decius Iunius Palladius D. Iuni Silane S.P.D.

> First allow me to begin by expressing my gratitude to those
>senators who voted, or would have voted, for my appointment as
>Proprtor of Provincia Britanniae. I trust that your faith will not
>be misplaced. I wish now to present my hopes and ambitions for the
>province for which I have been made governor. In doing so, I wish to
>allay the trepidation's of those who felt that they were unable to
>support my application in the senate. That is not to say that I do
>not understand and appreciate the apprehensions some may have. I
>believe that the only thing worse than a province without a
>governor, is a province with an unhelpful and inactive governor who
>works against the aspirations and ideals of Nova Roma, intentionally
>or otherwise. However, I believe that those who have worked with and
>know me thus far, would not consider me such an individual.

Congratulations Propraetor! I am certain you will do an excellent job
in your province and will bring honor to your name, to our gens and
to your province. I look forward to once again seeing Britannia as
one of our most active and thriving provinces.

Again, congratulations. I am proud to see you rise to this position
and am certain it bodes well for your province and for you.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Senator Consularis, Paterfamilias Gens Iunia

Subject:	[novaroma] File - NovaRomaList.txt
From:	novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Date:	1 Mar 2002 08:34:33 -0000

GUIDELINES FOR THE NOVA ROMA MAILING LIST

By Priscilla Vedia Serena
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(with thanks to Patricia Cassia for the original text)

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Subject:	AW: [novaroma] Provincia Britanniae
From:	<3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 05:26:21 -0600 (CST)

Salve, Decime Iuni Silane Propraetor.

My congratulations and my best wishes for you and your coming work as Propraetor Britanniae. I have no doubt that you are the right man for this office.

If there is anything I can help or assist you in, please let me know.

Di te ament.
Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor, Sentor
Propraetor Germaniae

Subject:	Re: AW: [novaroma] Provincia Britanniae
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:30:59 +0000 (GMT)

Salve Cai Flavi Diocletiane, amice.

Many thanks for the congratulations and of course for
your faith in my abilities.

You will regret the offer of assistance. I have a list
of questions as long as your arm! I will contact you
shortly ;-)

Vale bene,

Decimus Iunius Silanus.



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Salve, Decime Iuni Silane Propraetor.<BR>
<BR>
My congratulations and my best wishes for you and your
coming work as Propraetor Britanniae. I have no doubt
that you are the right man for this office.<BR>
<BR>
If there is anything I can help or assist you in,
please let me know.<BR>
<BR>
Di te ament.<BR>
Vale<BR>
Caius Flavius Diocletianus<BR>
Censor, Sentor<BR>
Propraetor Germaniae<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Provincia Britanniae
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:36:54 +0000 (GMT)

Salve Deci Iuni Palladi, pater et amice.

Thank you for the congratulations. Your words are most
appreciated and your support will not be forgotten. I
fully intend to do my provincia, and our gens, the
fullest of justice.

Vale,

Decimus Iunius Silanus


Congratulations Propraetor! I am certain you will do
an excellent job <BR>
in your province and will bring honor to your name, to
our gens and <BR>
to your province. I look forward to once again seeing
Britannia as <BR>
one of our most active and thriving provinces. <BR>
<BR>
Again, congratulations. I am proud to see you rise to
this position <BR>
and am certain it bodes well for your province and for
you. <BR>
<BR>
Vale,<BR>
<BR>
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,<BR>
Senator Consularis, Paterfamilias Gens Iunia <BR>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Oath of Office as Propraetor Provinciae Hispaniae
From:	"Laietanus" <enric.ferrer@es.fransmaas.com>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:49:43 +0100

LM LAIETANVS SENATO POPVLOQVE NOVAROMAE S.P.D.

Ego, Lucius Minicius Laietanus (Enric Ferrer) hoc ipso facto sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu agere. Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego Lucius Minicius Laietanus (Enric Ferrer) Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et publica et privata vita persequi.

Ego, Lucius Minicius Laietanus (Enric Ferrer) Romanam religionem favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat. Praeterea ego, Lucius Minicius Laietanus (Enric Ferrer) IVRO quam optime fungi officium muneris Propraetoris Provinciae Hispaniae.

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus
et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Propraetoris Provinciae Hispaniae ACCIPIO una cum
iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.
In Hispania Provincia Kal.Mart. MMDCCLV a.u.c.



Lucius Minicius Laietanus
Hispania Provincia


=======================================================================


I, Lucius Minicius Laietanus (Enric Ferrer) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Minicius Laietanus (Enric Ferrer) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Lucius Minicius Laietanus (Enric Ferrer) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Lucius Minicius Laietanus (Enric Ferrer) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Lucius Minicius Laietanus (Enric Ferrer) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Propraetor Provinciae Hispaniae to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Propraetor Provinciae Hispaniae and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
In Hispania Provincia Kal.Mart. MMDCCLV a.u.c.

Lucius Minicius Laietanus
Hispania Provincia


SALVE, NAVTA, IN GRATAM TERRAM HISPANIAE!
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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana]: Kalendis Martis (on March 1st)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <antonio.grilo@inov.pt>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:27:55 -0000

ANTONIVS GRYLLVS GRAECVS PONTIFEX OMNIBVS QVIRITIBVS

Today is a "dies nefastus publicus" (NP), a day of special religious
observance when legal business cannot take place.

Today is also considered a 'dies religiosus' in which it is considered wrong
('nefas') to do anything that is not absolutely necessary, namely:
- To engage in battle;
- To enlist soldiers;
- To hold Comitia;
- To start a voyage;
- To marry.

This is the Kalends of Martius. Today a Pontifex Minor calls the people to
the Curia Calabra. The Pontifex Minor and the Rex Sacrorum offer a sacrifice
to Iuno where Ianus is also invoked. Then the Pontifex Minor
announces the Nonas of the month for the seventh day of the month:
"Die Septimi te kalo Iuno Covella"
"Iuno Covella, I call you on the seventh day"
The Regina Sacrorum also sacrifices to Iuno at the Regia.

This is the old New Year day. It celebrates the birth of Mars. The mother of
Mars is Iuno, who in this day is invoked as Iuno Lucina - Iuno of the
Light - because she brought Mars to light (see below).
The sacred fire on the hearth of Vesta was tended, and fresh laurels were
affixed to the Regia, to the houses of the Flamines and to the Curia Veteres
(the old centre of the 'curiae', which was probably situated North-West of
the Palatine, near the later Arch of Constantinus). This practice probably
goes back to Rome's earliest days, when the Rex Sacrorum, with Flamines and
Vestals performed this religious duty at the buildings named [Ovidius,
Fasti, 137 seq.; Macrobius, Saturnalia, 1.12.6]. It also had a link with
Mars, to whom the laurel was sacred: two laurels grew in the courtyard of
the Regia which contained his shrine ('sacrarium').
The most spectacular public tribute to Mars was the dance of his Salii
priests. They comprised four groups, each of twelve men: the Palatini and
the Agonenses or Collini. The former were specially devoted to Mars
Gradivus, while the latter were originally devoted to Quirinus. They had to
be of patrician birth with both parents still living ('patrimi et matrimi')
when they were chosen. Their dress was military: a bronze-girdled 'tunica
picta' with a rectangular breast-plate covered by the short military cloak
with scarlet stripes and purple border ('trabea'), and a conical helmet
('apex'). They also wore swords. In their right hands they carried a spear
or staff, while on their left arms they bore a sacred figure-of-eight shield
('ancile') [Dionysius of Halicarnassus, 2.70.2 seq.]. All but one of these
shields, which were kept at the Regia, were copies of the original shield
which according to the legend had fallen from heaven as a gift from Iuppiter
to Numa; the king feared that it might be stolen and so had other identical
shields made by the smith Mamurius ('Mars' in Etruscan?) in order to confuse
potential thieves. On 1 March the Salii set out ('arma ancilia movetur') on
the first of their processions through the city in a kind of ritual
war-dance, beating their shields with their swords and halting at certain
places to perform elaborate dances to the tune of a flute and singing their
ancient Carmen Saliare of which only some fragments are known:

[fragmentum 1]
divum +empta+ cante, divum deo supplicate

[fragmentum 2]
cume tonas, Leucesie, prae tet tremonti
+quot+ ibet etinei de is cum tonarem

[fragmentum 3]
cozeulodorieso. omnia vero adpatula coemisse.
ian cusianes duonus ceruses dunus Ianusve
vet pom melios eum recum

Although this hymn was already unintelligible to the priests themselves by
the late Republic, it shows that Mars was not the only deity to be
addressed.
In the evening the Salii rested at a 'mansio Saliorum' where they hung up
their arms and enjoyed a feast. It seems that the food was good, since
Horatius [Horatius, Odes, 1.37.2] mentions that a banquet was fit for the
Salii ('Saliaribus dapibus') and emperor Claudius once deserted a dinner
party to join the Salii because their food and drink looked better.
The festival of Mars lasted until March 24th or possibly until the end of
the month, but processions were held perhaps only on March 1st, 9th and 23rd
(Tubilustrium).
As a curiosity, there was a 'religio' (observance) concerning the Salii. If
one such priest was absent from Rome in one of the 'dies religiosi' when the
'ancilia' were carried in procession in Rome, he was obliged to remain where
he happenned to be. Thus in 190 BC when a Roman army was about to cross the
Hellespont to face Antiochus the Great, Scipio Africanus refused to move for
a month because he was one of the Salii.

Today is also the sacred to Iuno, not only because it is the Kalends of the
month, but also because Iuno is the mother of Mars and today is the birthday
of the temple of Iuno Lucina on the Exquiline. This is a feast unofficially
called the Matronalia.
Husbands prayed for the health of their wives and gave them presents. Their
wives entertained their slaves and served their food, and could also attend
the celebrations at the temple of Iuno Lucina. Ladies dressed appropriately
for the occasion [Tibulus, 3.1.2 seq.]:
"Sulpicia est tibi culta tuis, Mars magne, kalendis"
"Great Mars, it is thy Kalends, and Sulpicia is dressed for thee"
The streets and houses of Rome were busy with people delivering presents.


Di vos incolumes custodiant

Subject:	[novaroma] Update on Tax Collection
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:31:10 -0000

Salvete Quirites,

Here is an update on our first year of tax collections.

(1) As reported, the Senate has extended the overall deadline for
payment of taxes to the end of March. The deadline for Argentina
Provincia was extended to the end of August.

(2) 103 cives have paid their taxes to date. This is right at the
amount budgeted, and with another month to go, we seem sure to exceed
expectations for this first year.

(3) Payments have been received from 19 different Provinciae,
including the USA, South America, Britannia, Western Europe, Eastern
Europe and Canada.

(4) Paypal has been the most used method of payment and we are not
aware of any problems with Paypal what-so-ever. We have also
received checks, and although not recommended, I understand some cash
is on its way.

We have had cives paying for several friends, gens-mates, etc., and
some cives have met face to face to collect taxes and remit them lump
sum.


My thanks to my colleague Titus Octavius Pius. He is the world's
quickest poster of tax payments ;-0. Both Honored Consuls have also
provided invaluable assistance.

Thanks also to all the cives who have contributed to Nova Roma's
growth by paying their taxes.

Please direct any questions to payments@novaroma.org.

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laneas

Subject:	[novaroma] Oath of Office as Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
From:	"gaiuscoriolanus" <coriolanus@centrum.sk>
Date:	Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:44:13 -0000

Gaius Marcius Coriolanus Omnibus Quiritibus S.P.D

I, Gaius Marcius Coriolanus (Jozef Duhacek)do hereby solemnly swear
to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Marcius Coriolanus (Jozef Duhacek)
do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma,
and to act always in the best interests of the people and the
Senate of Nova Roma.


I, Gaius Marcius Coriolanus (Jozef Duhacek) further
swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State
Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that
would threaten its status as the State Religion.


On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, I
do accept the position of Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae and all the
rights, privileges,obligations, and responsibilities attendant
thereto.

Gaius Marcius Coriolanus







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Subject:	[novaroma] Kalends of Martius
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:03:25 -0600 (CST)

Salvete Quirites,

Today is the Kalends of Martius, MMDCCLV a.u.c.

Four years ago, Nova Roma began.

On the 28th of February 1998 (MMDCCLI), our two Patres Patriae
published the Declaration of Nova Roma:

] We, the Senate and People of New Rome, in order to restore the
] foundations of Western Civilization, declare the founding of Nova
] Roma as a soverign Nation. We manifest Nova Roma as an independent
] world nation and republic, with its own legal constitution and
] lawful government, with all international rights and responsibilities
] that such status carries.

] As a soverign nation Nova Roma makes the following claim to various
] international territories and rights:

] We acknowledge ancient Roman territory to be our cultural and
] religious homeland, and claim historical rights to all sites and
] territories which were under the direct control or administration
] of the ancient Roman Republic and Empire between 753 BCE and 395 CE.

] We recognize the modern political realities which make the restoration
] of such ancient lands to us impossible. Therefore we limit our
] active territorial claim to an amount of land at least equal to
] that held by the sovereign state of Vatican City; 108 contiguous
] acres. On this land a world capital for the admistration of our
] culture will be founded in the form of a Forum Romanum. The exact
] site for this New Roman governmental and spiritual capital is to
] be determined.

] Further, in order that our world presence may be established, Nova
] Roma claims our physical territory to be extant and manifest through
] those places that our State, Citizens, and religious organizations
] may physically own, occupy, and maintain throughout the world.
] These territories shall exist in a status of Dual Sovereignity,
] being under the cultural and spiritual administration of Nova Roma,
] even as they remain under the civil dominion and laws of other
] hosting nations. Our pledge is to embody a benign and beneficial
] cultural and spiritual influence throughout all societies, while
] remaining politically neutral and lawful in action.

] Nova Roma also claims temporary Dual Sovereignity over all other
] sites where the Gods and Goddesses of ancient Rome shall be worshipped
] by our Citizens, to preserve our cultural and spiritual unity. This
] dual sovereignity shall be administered by the People directly and
] shall last only for the duration of religious ceremonies and rites.
] In this way we shall remain one culture and nation, even as we
] exist throughout other world countries.

] Citizenship in Nova Roma is open to people of all nationalities
] and races. The express purpose of our nation is to promote
] international understanding and cooperation through the preservation
] of our common Classical foundation, and to breathe new life and
] honor into all Western Civilization through the restoration of
] ancient Piety, Virtue, and Civilitas.

] We, the Citizens and Senate of New Rome hereby formally renounce,
] eternally and without exception, the use of force, rebellion,
] coercion, or intimidation in the pursuit of our international status
] and claims. We strive to exist as a lawful, peaceful and benign
] nation, in accord with the principles acknowledged and shared by
] the world community.

] Signed this day on behalf of the Senate and People of the New Rome

] II Kal. Mar., MMDCCLI ab urbe condita (February 28th 1998)

] Flavius Vedius Germanicus, Consul

] Cassius Iulianus, Consul

Today, NOVA ROMA begins its fifth year.

For four years, we have been the most visible and active Roman
reconstructionist organization. We continue to grow at an
astonishing rate; we now have over twelve hundred citizens.

Two days ago, three new Senators were added, active Romans of good
character from Sweden, Brazil, and Canada.

With one hundred fully-paid assidui thus far we have already
met our expectation for the number of citizens who would choose
to support our efforts financially. With another month remaining,
an extension granted by the Senate because of difficulties with
international payments, I am confident that we will exceed our
goal by a considerable margin.

Nova Roma enters its fifth year, stronger than ever.

Valete,
M. Octavius Germanicus, Consul.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	[novaroma] Happy Birthday Nova Roma!
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:24:08 EST

Salvete!

Today marks our fifth year of existence as a micronation.
It is also traditionally the first day of the Roman New Year.

Happy Birthday Romans...

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[novaroma] Taxes
From:	"Ianus Minicius Sparsus" <jfernandez50@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:02:31 +0100

Salve cives,

I would like to make some suggestions on tax payment for next year.

First of all, that EURO is admitted as curreny in NOVA ROMA for those who may wish to effect payment in such currency in addition to USDollar. In that sense, authorities would fix the counter value, fluctuacion included if any, at the time of establishing the net amount due.

Second; every year, a specific country may be freed from paying taxes (half-basis) according to economic criteria selection. No doubt, I honestly think that Argentina does deserve such treatment.

Finally, I believe that any one should pay based on his means. Among political parties and associations, age is most oftenly chosen as criteria, i.e. Nova Roma may establish two different taxable levels: one for olders than 30 and a reduced one for people under that age, including those holding responsibilities related to the first level.


I. Minicius Sparsus
Provincia Hispaniae



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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Oath of Office as Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:26:53 +0100

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Petro Domitiano S.P.D.

Thank you, colleague!
My congratulations to you too, I hope to work with you soon and to see
Provincia Venedia and Italia collaborate togheter for common aims.

>Salve!
>take my gratulations
>Vale!
>Petrus Domitianus

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae, Quaestor, Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Alme Sol ... Possis Nihil Urbe Roma Visere Maius
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Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
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Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre

Subject:	[novaroma] Thank you
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:45:41 +0100

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

I want to say THANK YOU to all the Senators getting me the trust as
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae. I want honourated your decision and my
Office. Thank you for all the citizens having sended me their
congratulations and first of all to all the italici for the support in my
candidacy and in this hard months of work.

My Office isn't ONLY of mine, it's of all the citizens have worked in this
year to build an active community in Italy, to cry in Nova Roma and to try
to relunch our Provincia.
My aim is re-lunch the Provincia Italia as the Magna Mater as one of the
most important Provinciae. This aim is possible by the recruitment of many
people, the taking of the interest of the the old inactive citizens, the
management of international events, the building of a net of collaborations
with other nova roman istitutions and local organizations, the becoming the
best cultural, historical, touristic and political centre of informations.
In this way the Provincia Italia want become the welcome center for all the
Nova Romans want to come in Italy. We'll try to help all fo you interested
to our Land, getting informations and studied like touristic, historical and
cultural.

Thank you to all of you, I hope to honourate my Office taking high the
Provincia Italia

P.S: I invite you to visit our official website http://italia.novaroma.org
to know all about our Provincia (the website is even under construction, so
please return to see the news)

valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae, Quaestor, Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Alme Sol ... Possis Nihil Urbe Roma Visere Maius
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Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
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Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre

Subject:	[novaroma] R: Congratulations Propraetor Italia!
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:30:52 +0100

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Caeso Fabio Quintiliano S.P.D.

Thank you, amice! Thank you for your help in this months too. I hope to
honoured my Office and relunch the Provincia Italia as high as Mater
Provincia.
Don't worry for my Office of Quaestor, my efforts serving you and your
Cohors will continue for many time and in the same way. I'm proud to work
with you!

My congratulations for your appointement as Senator too.

> I have already congratulated You privately to your Governorship, I
> now wish to Congratulate You publicly to your appointment and express
> my hope that we shall be able to continue our wonderful cooperation!

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae, Quaestor, Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Alme Sol ... Possis Nihil Urbe Roma Visere Maius
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Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
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Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre

Subject:	[novaroma] Mecurius Minucius Gladius
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:07:12 -0500 (EST)

Citizens of Nova Roma;

I am pleased to announce the new citizenship of Mecurius Minucius
Gladius. This new citizen is of particular note to me as Paterfamilias
to Gens Minucia for two reasons. The first is the addition of a proven
Amateur Historian in the aspect of Gladitorial Games of Ancient Rome to
the Gens. The second is that this gentleman, prior to his application
in Nova Roma has done the study and research necessary to create a
reenactors "Gladitorial School", and then has gone on to gather
reenactors and materials necessary to put together the "Ludus Magnus
Gladitore," a company of Gladiators, who are dedicated to the recreation
of Gladitorial Combat in the ancient age.

I had the privaledge of posting his "Open Letter" to all NR Citizens
recently on this list, and today the Censors have issued his
Citizenship. Apparently the delay, unknown to both Censors and to
myself, was the result of special information gone astray, but that is
now been taken care of, and Mecurius Minucius Gladius wishes, through
me, to give his appreciation to the current Censors for thier efforts,
and announce to the Citizens of Nova Roma his pleasure at being a
Citizen in this micronation. I also wish to acknowledge to the Censors
of Nova Roma my appreciation for thier extra effort over and above their
normally heavy duties, in this instance.

As a Senator and ProConsul of Nova Roma, I name Mecurius Minucius
Gladius, "Maximus" for his success in the reenactment world, and for the
creation of a new reenactment unit which has completed a successful year
of reenactment last year and has been invited to return this year for
repeat performances at all of last year's events. In addition, new
events are planned, and new members are gathering thier kits to take
part in the new season. Both efforts, no mean feat, as those who are
involved in reenactment well know.

Further, I extend to "Maximus" Mecurius Minucius Gladius the "Key" to
Provincia Nova Britannia as an honored "Honorary Citizen of Nova
Britannia" with all of the privaleges of that status Still further, I
am pleased and honored as Praefectus Castorum of the Sodalitas
Militarium, to install Mecurius Minucius Gladius as a full member of the
Sodalitas Mlitarium, and to appoint him to the Militarium Command Staff
with the rank of "Palus Primus Gladitore". These above honors will be
finalized at the first opportunity of the new reenactment season , and
the dates and location will be announced. any NR Citizens who are able
and desirous of attending and who will be welcomed most heartily.

Beneficarius Pompeia Stabo;

I request that you remove Mr. John Ebel from the ranks of Sodalitas
Militarium "Socci" and place him with his Roman name, Mecurius Minucius
Gladius, in the ranks of full-fledged members of the Sodalitas
Militarium. Further to add his name to the ranks of the Command Staff.
When he has established his Internet presence, he will notify us. Until
then, any correspondence directed to Mecurius Minucius Gladius will be
forwarded to him, by myself.

I would ask that the Citizens of Nova Roma and the Members of the
Sodalitas Militarium join me in welcoming Mecurius Minucius Gladius to
Nova Roma and to the Militarium.

In closing, Citizens of Nova Roma, I again share with you the pleasure
and appreciation that the New NR Citizen Mecurius Minucius Gladius feels
in being granted Citizenship in Nova Roma, again our apprecation to the
Censores for thier timely and forthcoming response to the situation. I
am sure that when he returns from his vacation in a few weeks M.
Minucius Gladius will be pleased to forward his own message of
appreciation, as well.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Taxes and age
From:	Maximina Octavia <myownq@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:59:36 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

While I agree that Argentina must be considered exempt
from taxes, I think age is not generally a good marker
for financial stability.

If age is used as a criteria according to your
division, then people between the ages of 21 and 30
should have higher taxes as these are the working
adults with marketable skills and a steady income,
presumably.

People over the age of 30 may or may not even be
employed on a steady basis due to the competitive
nature of the working market and the fact that jobs
are less secure than ever.

Even worse, women over the age of forty are often
passed over for positions regardless of experience and
qulifications. Younger more attractive inexperienced
women who are more "manageable" are preferred.

Corporations are looking for young
(25-30)inexperienced, skilled to semi-skilled workers
who need their jobs and will not make waves. (By then
the young are substantially in debt). The
inexperienced are more employable because they are the
least likely to bring lawsuits or cause problems in
the work arena.

People hired directly from college are ideal to hire
in that they have college loans in large amounts to
pay back. Generally a mere debt of just $8000 will
take nearly 50 years to repay if the debtor just pays
the monthly minimum payment. Therefore, the worker
has to toe the line to keep the job that pays the
bills.

This does not take into consideration that people 25
and over may have families, mortagages and are *still*
paying off student loans.

In addition, people of retirement age may also be on a
fixed income some with jobs to supplement the awful
social security situation which offers the retired
person so little money that if they were to depend on
it, it would put them way below the poverty level.
(Some of these older, retired individuals are members
of NR).

And, the older people get, the less likely it is that
they feel secure enough to part with any money at all.
The elderly have to consider catastrophic medical care
in addition to having proper care in old age
facilities if adequate care cannot be given in the
home. The point being here, that when one reaches
forty to fifty years old, one must (if they have't
already) begin preparing for these inevitable
situations by spending less and saving more.

Therefore, much economic advantage, IMHO, is a matter
of luck. Lucky if you find and keep a good job, lucky
if you have an economically stable spouse or
significant other, lucky if you have your health,
lucky if you have an inheritance, lucky if you win the
lotto!

Age is not a good criteria anymore to substantiate a
good financial climate for any individual. In
organizations such as NR, we must simply trust that
those who are able to contribute more will, and those
who can contribute what is asked also will.

IMHO, It is honor that must be the criteria.

Vale,
Maximina Octavia


--- Ianus Minicius Sparsus <jfernandez50@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Salve cives,
>
> I would like to make some suggestions on tax payment
> for next year.
>
> First of all, that EURO is admitted as curreny in
> NOVA ROMA for those who may wish to effect payment
> in such currency in addition to USDollar. In that
> sense, authorities would fix the counter value,
> fluctuacion included if any, at the time of
> establishing the net amount due.
>
> Second; every year, a specific country may be freed
> from paying taxes (half-basis) according to economic
> criteria selection. No doubt, I honestly think that
> Argentina does deserve such treatment.
>
> Finally, I believe that any one should pay based on
> his means. Among political parties and associations,
> age is most oftenly chosen as criteria, i.e. Nova
> Roma may establish two different taxable levels: one
> for olders than 30 and a reduced one for people
> under that age, including those holding
> responsibilities related to the first level.
>
>
> I. Minicius Sparsus
> Provincia Hispaniae
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
>


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Mecurius Minucius Gladius
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:35:19 EST

In a message dated 3/1/02 10:13:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jmath669642reng@webtv.net writes:


> I am pleased to announce the new citizenship of Mecurius Minucius
> Gladius.

Welcome Mecurius Minucius Gladius.

Q. Fabius Maximus.


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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [SodalitasMilitarium] Mecurius Minucius Gladius
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:45:40 +0100

Salve my dear Amice Illustrus Marcus Minucius Audens!

I am glad that your efforts on the behalf of the Honorable "Maximus"
Mecurius Minucius Gladius have succeeded. I now Congratulate both of
You! I also especially congratulate Honorable Mecurius Minucius
Gladius on becoming a citizens and as he have You as a friend. I, as
You know, am fully aware of the pleasure and advantage of both
privileges! ;-)
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
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Subject:	[novaroma] Practicing Religio Romana
From:	"nrplotinus" <SebMatzner@12move.de>
Date:	Fri, 01 Mar 2002 20:53:33 -0000

Salvete Quirites!
As a new citizen I am mainly interested in those of you, who practice
the religion of the maiores. For I have lost my christian faith last
year and have always admired the ancient religion, I would ask you to
write me about your spiritual ways, your rituals and your "roamn wya
of living". Gratias ago!
Valete,
Lucius Plotinus Sebastianus, habitans in provincia Germania

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Mecurius Minucius Gladius
From:	"radams36" <radams40@juno.com>
Date:	Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:06:17 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
> I am pleased to announce the new citizenship of Mecurius Minucius
> Gladius. This new citizen is of particular note to me as
Paterfamilias
> to Gens Minucia for two reasons. The first is the addition of a
proven
> Amateur Historian in the aspect of Gladitorial Games of Ancient
Rome to
> the Gens. The second is that this gentleman, prior to his
application
> in Nova Roma has done the study and research necessary to create a
> reenactors "Gladitorial School", and then has gone on to gather
> reenactors and materials necessary to put together the "Ludus Magnus
> Gladitore," a company of Gladiators, who are dedicated to the
recreation
> of Gladitorial Combat in the ancient age.
<snip>
> I am sure that when he returns from his vacation in a few weeks M.
> Minucius Gladius will be pleased to forward his own message of
> appreciation, as well.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Congratulations, amice, on this great new addition to your gens!
Having seen your prior forward of his message, I'm sure he'll be a
credit to Nova Roma. And congratulations/welcome to Mecurius Minucius
Gladius - always glad to have a new citizen come aboard!

Vale bene,

Rufus Iulius Palaeologus