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	 Re: [novaroma] Need guidance on Stoics | 
 
	| From: | 
	 "Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@attbi.com> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:38:29 -0800 | 
 
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Salve! 
 
I'd suggest Epictetus, you can even find his writings online; try 
http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/e/epictetu.htm 
for a start. Good luck! 
 
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Subject: [novaroma] Need guidance on Stoics 
 
 
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>             Salvete...I've just ordered Marcus Aurelius' 'Meditations'.For 
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> never :) so I really 
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>             Valete / Hypatia 
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	 [novaroma] ATTN: To All Patres Familiae | 
 
	| From: | 
	 <3s@hsk-net.de> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:37:20 -0600 (CST) | 
 
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Salvete, 
 
I would like to remind all patres familiae of open gentes that there are various applicants for citizenship waiting for pater approval. 
 
Please log in over your personal profiles page and take a look into your "pending gens members" sections. 
 
Valete 
Caius Flavius Diocletianus 
Censor, Senator 
 
 
 
 
 
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	| Subject: | 
	 Re: [novaroma] Need guidance on Stoics | 
 
	| From: | 
	 Fortunatus <labienus@texas.net> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:15:56 -0600 | 
 
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Salve Hypatia 
 
>             Salvete...I've just ordered Marcus Aurelius' 'Meditations'.For  
> a beginner on Roman philosophy,what are the other essential writers and 
> books (esp.of the Stoics)?I'm trying to build a small library here (better 
> late than never :) so I really appreciate any guidance. 
 
For the Stoics, I strongly suggest Seneca.  "Letters From a Stoic" is  
the Penguin Classics name for a collection of his most important  
correspondence. By far the most important Roman Stoic work, though, is  
Epictetus' "Discourses".  Epictetus' "Enchiridion", often called the  
"Handbook", is essentially a boiled-down version of the "Discourses",  
but it lacks much of the spirit of the larger work. 
 
An Academic Skeptic, M Tullius Cicero wrote a series of philosophical  
texts which are indispensable for a well-rounded Roman philosophy  
library.  His philosophical works are "On Invention", "On the Orator",  
"On the Republic", "On the Laws", "Brutus", "Stoic Paradoxes", "The  
Orator", "Consolation", "Hortensius", "Academics", "On Ends", "Tusculan  
Disputations", "On the Nature of the Gods", "On Divination", "On Fate",  
"On Old Age", "On Friendship", "Topics", and "On Duties".  Many of those  
essays are either fragmentary or relatively short, and you can often get  
them grouped together in a few volumes.  "On the Nature of the Gods" and  
"On Divination", for example, are often sold as a single volume. 
 
For the Epicureans, the best text is "On the Nature of Things" by T  
Lucretius Carus.  It's an excellent poem in addition to its value as a  
philosophical tract. 
 
Plotinus (the "Enneads") is also an extremely important Roman  
philosopher, but he really can't be read properly without a firm  
understanding of Platonism.  For this reason, many amateur philosophers  
(myself among them) can't really claim to understand Neo-Platonism. 
 
If you're willing to pay a little more for your books, I strongly  
recommend Harvard University Press' Loeb Classical Library.  They offer  
well-bound hardcover books that feature very good translations on  
alternate pages with the original Greek or Latin texts.  You can peruse  
their catalog at http://www.hup.harvard.edu/loeb/index.html . 
 
Vale 
T Labienus Fortunatus 
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Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. 
Ta i quetes Quenyanen séya vanima 
 
 
  
 
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	| Subject: | 
	 RE: [novaroma] Need guidance on Stoics | 
 
	| From: | 
	 "C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:07:34 -0500 | 
 
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Salve, 
  
I recommend Cicero's "The Nature of the Gods".  While primarily devoted 
to advancing the "Academic" philosophy (which Cicero subscribed to), it 
gives good (if a bit biased) looks at both the Stoic and Epicurean 
philosophies as they relate to the gods. 
  
Vale, 
  
C. Minucius Hadrianus  
  
-----Original Message----- 
From: rapax@superonline.com [mailto:rapax@superonline.com]  
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:57 AM 
To: novaroma 
Subject: [novaroma] Need guidance on Stoics 
  
 
 
 
 
            Salvete...I've just ordered Marcus Aurelius' 
'Meditations'.For  
a beginner on 
    Roman philosophy,what are the other essential writers and books 
(esp.of  
the 
    Stoics)?I'm trying to build a small library here (better late than  
never :) so I really 
    appreciate any guidance. 
            Valete / Hypatia 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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	| Subject: | 
	 [novaroma] Re: Need guidance on Stoics | 
 
	| From: | 
	 "gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:32:28 -0000 | 
 
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Salve Hypatia, 
 
   If you want some really good advice.....forget the Stoics and go  
Peripatetic!  "Aristotle For Everybody" by Mortimer J. Adler is the  
book I would recommend, available at fine bookstores near you. 
 
Stoics pick daisies.  Aristotle plants gardens and vinyards. :> 
 
Mischeviously, 
 
Nerva 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
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