Subject: Re: [novaroma] Need guidance on Stoics
From: "Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@attbi.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:38:29 -0800
Salve!

I'd suggest Epictetus, you can even find his writings online; try
http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/e/epictetu.htm
for a start. Good luck!

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> Salvete...I've just ordered Marcus Aurelius' 'Meditations'.For
> a beginner on
> Roman philosophy,what are the other essential writers and books
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> the
> Stoics)?I'm trying to build a small library here (better late than
> never :) so I really
> appreciate any guidance.
> Valete / Hypatia
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:37:20 -0600 (CST)

Salvete,

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Valete
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Censor, Senator





Subject: Re: [novaroma] Need guidance on Stoics
From: Fortunatus <labienus@texas.net>
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:15:56 -0600
Salve Hypatia

> Salvete...I've just ordered Marcus Aurelius' 'Meditations'.For
> a beginner on Roman philosophy,what are the other essential writers and
> books (esp.of the Stoics)?I'm trying to build a small library here (better
> late than never :) so I really appreciate any guidance.

For the Stoics, I strongly suggest Seneca. "Letters From a Stoic" is
the Penguin Classics name for a collection of his most important
correspondence. By far the most important Roman Stoic work, though, is
Epictetus' "Discourses". Epictetus' "Enchiridion", often called the
"Handbook", is essentially a boiled-down version of the "Discourses",
but it lacks much of the spirit of the larger work.

An Academic Skeptic, M Tullius Cicero wrote a series of philosophical
texts which are indispensable for a well-rounded Roman philosophy
library. His philosophical works are "On Invention", "On the Orator",
"On the Republic", "On the Laws", "Brutus", "Stoic Paradoxes", "The
Orator", "Consolation", "Hortensius", "Academics", "On Ends", "Tusculan
Disputations", "On the Nature of the Gods", "On Divination", "On Fate",
"On Old Age", "On Friendship", "Topics", and "On Duties". Many of those
essays are either fragmentary or relatively short, and you can often get
them grouped together in a few volumes. "On the Nature of the Gods" and
"On Divination", for example, are often sold as a single volume.

For the Epicureans, the best text is "On the Nature of Things" by T
Lucretius Carus. It's an excellent poem in addition to its value as a
philosophical tract.

Plotinus (the "Enneads") is also an extremely important Roman
philosopher, but he really can't be read properly without a firm
understanding of Platonism. For this reason, many amateur philosophers
(myself among them) can't really claim to understand Neo-Platonism.

If you're willing to pay a little more for your books, I strongly
recommend Harvard University Press' Loeb Classical Library. They offer
well-bound hardcover books that feature very good translations on
alternate pages with the original Greek or Latin texts. You can peruse
their catalog at http://www.hup.harvard.edu/loeb/index.html .

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus
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Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
Ta i quetes Quenyanen séya vanima




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Subject: RE: [novaroma] Need guidance on Stoics
From: "C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:07:34 -0500
Salve,

I recommend Cicero's "The Nature of the Gods". While primarily devoted
to advancing the "Academic" philosophy (which Cicero subscribed to), it
gives good (if a bit biased) looks at both the Stoic and Epicurean
philosophies as they relate to the gods.

Vale,

C. Minucius Hadrianus

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Salvete...I've just ordered Marcus Aurelius'
'Meditations'.For
a beginner on
Roman philosophy,what are the other essential writers and books
(esp.of
the
Stoics)?I'm trying to build a small library here (better late than
never :) so I really
appreciate any guidance.
Valete / Hypatia






Subject: [novaroma] Re: Need guidance on Stoics
From: "gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:32:28 -0000
Salve Hypatia,

If you want some really good advice.....forget the Stoics and go
Peripatetic! "Aristotle For Everybody" by Mortimer J. Adler is the
book I would recommend, available at fine bookstores near you.

Stoics pick daisies. Aristotle plants gardens and vinyards. :>

Mischeviously,

Nerva