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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: My Return to Rome
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:22:56 -0000

---Salve Claudi:

It is good to have you back! I look forward to communicating with
you further in the near future.

Vale,
Pompeia Cornelia

In novaroma@y..., Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@b...> wrote:
>
> Salvete cives et amici,
>
> I am very pleased to be able to announce my return to active status
as a
> magistrate and citizen of Nova Roma. It has been about two months
since I
> have been able to take part in the workings of our nation. My
computer and
> busy schedule prevented me from returning as promptly as I would of
liked. I
> look forward to scrambling to catch up on my duties and the events
that took
> place during my long absence. By the looks of things much has
happened, and
> I most likely have a ton of emails to write. =)
>
> I also sincerely apologise to all those that may of been effected
by my
> absence. Especially my colleagues Caeso Fabius, Pompeia Cornelia
and Lucilla
> Cornelia.
>
> It is good to be back.
>
> "Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
> "Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of
virtues"
>
> --
> Amulius Claudius Petrus
> Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
> Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
> Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
> Canada Orientalis Provincia
>
> Canada Orientalis Website:
> www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
>
> Gens Claudia Website:
> www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
> --


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Need guidance on Stoics
From:	AntoniaCorneliaOctavia <europamoon7@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:42:22 -0800 (PST)

--- mark zona <pitdog2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Salve Nerva,
>
> I thought you were offering good advice?
>
> I'll take a hardcore Roman stoic over a confused
> Greek
> trying to puzzle out what a horse really is anyday,
> thank you very much.
>
> Even more mischieviously,
>
> Zeno

Salvete,

I second that.

Antonia Cornelia Octavia

> --- gcassiusnerva <gcassiusnerva@cs.com> wrote:
> > Salve Hypatia,
> >
> > If you want some really good advice.....forget
> > the Stoics and go
> > Peripatetic! "Aristotle For Everybody" by
> Mortimer
> > J. Adler is the
> > book I would recommend, available at fine
> bookstores
> > near you.
> >
> > Stoics pick daisies. Aristotle plants gardens and
> > vinyards. :>
> >
> > Mischeviously,
> >
> > Nerva
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Opinion on Julian
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Craig=20Stevenson?= <gaiussentius@yahoo.com.au>
Date:	Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:49:09 +1100 (EST)

Salve omnes,

I have recently been reading up on Julian, and was
wondering if anyone could help me with something that
has been bothering me. From works done on him, I was
wondering if anyone thinks he was a heroic failure, or
if there is some better way of describing his career?
Any help would be appreciated.

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Trajan in Dacia
From:	"luciuspompeius" <danielovi@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:14:15 -0000

Salvete omnes
This post made me recall a recent program Discovery Channel (in
spanish) showed last Sunday. It spoke about the same topics. What a
coincidence!
Valete bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus

--- In novaroma@y..., "gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@c...> wrote:
> The February edition of 'Military History' magazine features a
> cover article on the Dacian Campaign of the Emperor Trajan.
>
> This was the last great expansion of the Empire, and although
> Trajan did go on to conquer Babylonia, Hadrian found it necessary
to
> pull out almost as soon as he became emperor.
>
> The article is very interesting, covering Trajan's tactics, his
> engineering, and his wily foe, King Decebalus, who somehow
persuaded
> Trajan that only he could ensure stability in the region and keep
up
> the gold production in Dacia. Trajan's error in leaving the king
in
> place resulted in a Dacian revolt a few years later and required
> Trajan's return. This time, Decebalus was executed.
>
> Look for this article in the library. I thought it worth the
> price of the issue.
>
> Gaius Cassius Nerva


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Need guidance on Stoics
From:	"javier_gil_ruiz" <javier_gil_ruiz@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:45:22 -0000

Salve, Fortunate

--- In novaroma@y..., Fortunatus <labienus@t...> wrote:
> Salve Hypatia
>
> An Academic Skeptic, M Tullius Cicero wrote a series of
> philosophical texts which are indispensable for a well-rounded
> Roman philosophy library. His philosophical works are "On
> Invention", "On the Orator", "On the Republic", "On the
> Laws", "Brutus", "Stoic Paradoxes", "The
> Orator", "Consolation", "Hortensius", "Academics", "On
> Ends", "Tusculan Disputations", "On the Nature of the Gods", "On
> Divination", "On Fate", "On Old Age", "On Friendship", "Topics",
> and "On Duties". Many of those essays are either fragmentary or
> relatively short, and you can often get them grouped together in a
> few volumes. "On the Nature of the Gods" and
> "On Divination", for example, are often sold as a single volume.

"Hortensius" belogs to a well-rounded Roman philosophy library? Well,
in that case... Can you tell me where I can get it? ;-)

I am a personal fan of his philosophical texts too, although I have
only read three of the books you mention. But I find it a bit
bothering how he always inclusdes reactionary propaganda
continuously. It's not that it is bothering but he is very
insistent...

> Plotinus (the "Enneads") is also an extremely important Roman
> philosopher, but he really can't be read properly without a firm
> understanding of Platonism. For this reason, many amateur
> philosophers (myself among them) can't really claim to understand
> Neo-Platonism.

Well, I' would read Cicero rather than Plotinus any day.

St. Augustine has some good things on neoplatonism. Not because they
are brilliant texts, but because he explains it quite succintly (in
order to thrash it).

Valete omnes cives, et tomulus bonus!

M. Salix Saverius


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Trajan in Dacia
From:	"darkling_crawler" <hendrik.meuleman@pi.be>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:47:48 -0000

Salve,

The article is very interesting, covering Trajan's tactics, his
> > engineering, and his wily foe, King Decebalus, who somehow
> persuaded
> > Trajan that only he could ensure stability in the region and keep
> up
> > the gold production in Dacia. Trajan's error in leaving the king
> in
> > place resulted in a Dacian revolt a few years later and required
> > Trajan's return. This time, Decebalus was executed.
> >
> > Look for this article in the library. I thought it worth the
> > price of the issue.

As far as I know, Decebalus committed suicide before he could be
exectuted.

Vale bene,
Solaris


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Opinion on Julian
From:	"javier_gil_ruiz" <javier_gil_ruiz@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 10:17:36 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., Craig Stevenson <gaiussentius@y...> wrote:
> Salve omnes,
>
> I have recently been reading up on Julian, and was
> wondering if anyone could help me with something that
> has been bothering me. From works done on him, I was
> wondering if anyone thinks he was a heroic failure, or
> if there is some better way of describing his career?
> Any help would be appreciated.

Salvete omnes cives

Well, I don't want to be offensive or anything but my sincere
appreciation of him is�

He was nuts.

No, really. I know he is sympathetic to pagans, as he tried to
restore and believed firmly in paganism (but hey, so did
heliogabalus). I also know we only know of him from his enemies, so
we should skip the historian's appreciations. He has nice moments
historians could not silence (as when he mocked his deification by
the senate), but still�

First, he organised a bloody persecution of Christians. Yes, we
should judge people by the standards of their eras but back then many
people did deplore persecutions. Christians were also intolerant
then, and soon began with their own persecutions, but if you condemn
one side you also have to condemn the other too for the same evil
(equal in nature, albeit different in size).
And he did so out of religious belief, not convenience, which is a
recipe for bloodiness and more unsympathetic to me.

Then, he was unrealistic. When reading about roman emperors you get
the impression that it was difficult for them to stay in touch with
the reality of the empire. His was a lost cause, and had been so for
years. His paganism had also little to do with mainstream paganism or
the Religio, and seems to me more a figment of his inner world. His
cruelties are perhaps exaggerated by historians, but some of his more
deranged statements seem more genuine to me.

What bothers me most is perhaps that he missed a good opportunity to
do good. In his days the Empire could still be reorganised,
reenlivened for a time. A Diocletian or a Trajan would have been
needed, not a Julian.

I'm sure some citizens will be happy to give you more information on
this emperor.

Vale.

Marcus Salix Saverius


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Need guidance on Stoics
From:	labienus@texas.net
Date:	Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:48:35 US/Central

Salvete Saveri omnesque

> "Hortensius" belogs to a well-rounded Roman philosophy library? Well,
> in that case... Can you tell me where I can get it? ;-)

LOL Well, I suppose I shouldn't have included that one, though I do have a
translation of what little there is left of it somewhere (I can't remember the
title; some collection of Cicero's works). So, it's not completely lost.

> I am a personal fan of his philosophical texts too, although I have
> only read three of the books you mention. But I find it a bit
> bothering how he always inclusdes reactionary propaganda
> continuously. It's not that it is bothering but he is very
> insistent...

Well, Cicero subordinated philosophy to politics, so his texts are essentially
explanations of, and supports for, his political actions. It's no coincidence
that he wrote philosophy only when he couldn't practice politics.

> Well, I' would read Cicero rather than Plotinus any day.

I much agree.

> St. Augustine has some good things on neoplatonism. Not because they
> are brilliant texts, but because he explains it quite succintly (in
> order to thrash it).

It's been far too long since I read Augustine, and I didn't enjoy the
experience at all. Maybe I should give him another chance.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Need guidance on Stoics
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 07:03:32 -0800

Ave,

If your going to start with Augustine try one of his earlier works or
his Confessions. Don't just jump into City of God.....thats just cruel
and unusual punishment.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

labienus@texas.net wrote:

> Salvete Saveri omnesque
>
> > "Hortensius" belogs to a well-rounded Roman philosophy library?
> Well,
> > in that case... Can you tell me where I can get it? ;-)
>
> LOL Well, I suppose I shouldn't have included that one, though I do
> have a
> translation of what little there is left of it somewhere (I can't
> remember the
> title; some collection of Cicero's works). So, it's not completely
> lost.
>
> > I am a personal fan of his philosophical texts too, although I have
> > only read three of the books you mention. But I find it a bit
> > bothering how he always inclusdes reactionary propaganda
> > continuously. It's not that it is bothering but he is very
> > insistent...
>
> Well, Cicero subordinated philosophy to politics, so his texts are
> essentially
> explanations of, and supports for, his political actions. It's no
> coincidence
> that he wrote philosophy only when he couldn't practice politics.
>
> > Well, I' would read Cicero rather than Plotinus any day.
>
> I much agree.
>
> > St. Augustine has some good things on neoplatonism. Not because they
>
> > are brilliant texts, but because he explains it quite succintly (in
> > order to thrash it).
>
> It's been far too long since I read Augustine, and I didn't enjoy the
> experience at all. Maybe I should give him another chance.
>
> Valete
> T Labienus Fortunatus
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Fwd: [Canada_Orientalis_NR] Provincia Edictum
From:	Susan Brett <Pompeia_Cornelia@yahoo.ca>
Date:	Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:58:47 -0800 (PST)

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Subject:	[novaroma] Fwd: [Canada_Orientalis_NR] Canada Orientalis Provincial Edictum IV
From:	Susan Brett <Pompeia_Cornelia@yahoo.ca>
Date:	Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:59:37 -0800 (PST)

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Fwd: [Canada_Orientalis_NR] Canada Orientalis Provincial Edictum IV
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:06:17 -0000

Hey Pompeia!!!! List policy rerquires you to supply an English
translation ;-O

Gaius popillius Laenas

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Fwd: [Canada_Orientalis_NR] Canada Orientalis
From:	Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:51:06 +0100

g_popillius_laenas wrote:
> Hey Pompeia!!!! List policy rerquires you to supply an English
> translation ;-O

Salve, Gai Popilli Laenas.

Good one! LOL! :)

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Fwd: [Canada_Orientalis_NR] Canada Orientalis Provincial Edictum IV
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:16:08 -0000

---LOL!!!!!
Well, apparently I have been busted!!! :)

I asked for the forward to be in "plain text" too!

I'll get right on the umm, translation.

Silly Pompeia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Opinion on Julian
From:	"sceptia" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:50:16 -0000

Salvete omnes, et salve amice Saverii.

--- In novaroma@y..., "javier_gil_ruiz" <javier_gil_ruiz@y...> wrote:
> --- In novaroma@y..., Craig Stevenson <gaiussentius@y...> wrote:
> > Salve omnes,
> >
> > I have recently been reading up on Julian, and was
> > wondering if anyone could help me with something that
> > has been bothering me. From works done on him, I was
> > wondering if anyone thinks he was a heroic failure, or
> > if there is some better way of describing his career?
> > Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Salvete omnes cives
>
> Well, I don't want to be offensive or anything but my sincere
> appreciation of him is�
>
> He was nuts.
>
> No, really. I know he is sympathetic to pagans, as he tried to
> restore and believed firmly in paganism (but hey, so did
> heliogabalus). I also know we only know of him from his enemies, so
> we should skip the historian's appreciations. He has nice moments
> historians could not silence (as when he mocked his deification by
> the senate), but still�
>
> First, he organised a bloody persecution of Christians. Yes, we
> should judge people by the standards of their eras but back then
many
> people did deplore persecutions. Christians were also intolerant
> then, and soon began with their own persecutions, but if you condemn
> one side you also have to condemn the other too for the same evil
> (equal in nature, albeit different in size).
> And he did so out of religious belief, not convenience, which is a
> recipe for bloodiness and more unsympathetic to me.
>
> Then, he was unrealistic. When reading about roman emperors you get
> the impression that it was difficult for them to stay in touch with
> the reality of the empire. His was a lost cause, and had been so for
> years. His paganism had also little to do with mainstream paganism
or
> the Religio, and seems to me more a figment of his inner world. His
> cruelties are perhaps exaggerated by historians, but some of his
more
> deranged statements seem more genuine to me.
>
> What bothers me most is perhaps that he missed a good opportunity to
> do good. In his days the Empire could still be reorganised,
> reenlivened for a time. A Diocletian or a Trajan would have been
> needed, not a Julian.
>
> I'm sure some citizens will be happy to give you more information on
> this emperor.
>
> Vale.
>
> Marcus Salix Saverius

I share part of the ideas Saverius exposed, but I want to defend
Julian a little, not because I think he was an excellent Emperor but
had, on my opinion, good ideas and a more realistic perspective of his
world than we can conceive.
He had a dream, we could say, but not the means to bring it to
reality. Tried to restore the spirit of his times, using Paganism as a
cohesive politic, but, and here I agree with Saverius, he wasn't very
successful because he had a strong opposition and maybe a very naive
vision of his Empire. He didn't use sometimes the ways we could check
as "correct" or "proper" ways, but in his time, who really did?
I do not defend him as historical person, but as historical pattern I
would say he was an ingenuous or candid man with some good ideas but
in a very bad moment. Maybe he had reign for more years, we could
speak of him some other way, not as a truncated project with more
shadows than light.
A bit romantic but is my feeling. ;-)

Vale,

Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Opinion on Julian
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:08:37 EST

Salvete,

We just had this discussion on the college of Pontiffs list.

I believe the Iulian came too late to make any difference, Christianity was
emplaced,
and the days of "turning the other cheek" were past, the Church had political
power.
The Church did see him as a annoyance, and may have had him assassinated
during the Persian campaign.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Need guidance on Stoics
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:02:15 EST

In a message dated 3/7/02 6:51:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
labienus@texas.net writes:

> It's been far too long since I read Augustine, and I didn't enjoy the
> experience at all. Maybe I should give him another chance.
>
>

Augustine, (required reading for any student in St. Augustine High School
which is where I met him) is a rabid catholic christian. However he goes to
great lengths to explain his reasoning why his theology is superior then the
old Roman worship. That in itself is rather entertaining.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana]: Nonis Martis (on March 7th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <antonio.grilo@inov.pt>
Date:	Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:07:17 -0000

ANTONIVS GRYLLVS GRAECVS PONTIFEX OMNIBVS QVIRITIBVS

This is one of the dies fasti (F), when legal action is permitted.

This is the Nonae of Martius. Today the Rex Sacrorum proclaims the static
festivals ('feriae stativae') of the month from the citadel ('arx') of the
Capitoline Hill [Macrobius, Saturnalia, 1.15.10].

Today is the birthday of the temple of Vediovis in the Capitoline Hill. This
temple was probably dedicated in 192 BC. It lay 'inter duos lucos', that is
between the two summits of the Capitoline. Ovid associates this temple with
the very old enclosure which Romulus is said to have set aside 'inter duos
lucos' as a place for refuge ('asylum') [Ovidius, Fasti, III.429 seq.].
Dionysius of Halicarnassus adds that Romulus had also built a temple there,
but he himself does not know to which deity it was dedicated [Dionysius of
Halicarnassus, 2.15.4]. However, Ovid's association of this early site with
Vediovis seems not improbable, though some scholars believe the poet's idea
to be merely a piece of antiquarianism.
The temple of Vediovis was found in 1939 behind the Tabularium under a
corner of the Palazzo Senatorio building, together with the marble statue of
the god. This may have replaced a previous cult statue made of cypress wood,
which was still seen by Pliny who died in 79 AD [Plinius, De Naturalis
Historiae, 16.216], which may have been destroyed in the fire of 80 AD. The
statue was of Apolline type with a cloak hanging over the left arm, although
the arms and head were missing in the find. Together with the remains from
this late period, were found traces of a mid-second-century BC temple and of
the still earlier temple vowed by Purpureo (the one probably dedicated in
192 BC), and also much earlier seventh-century BC pottery.
Ovid says that Vediovis "Iuppiter est iuvenis" (is young Iuppiter), and
explains in this way the youthful face of the statue and the absence of
thunderbolts in his hand. Relating this with Greco-Roman mythology, he says
that Iuppiter assumed the thunderbolts after the Giants dared attempt to win
the sky, and that Iuppiter was first unarmed. He also says that a shegoat
was placed beside Vediovis.

Di vos incolumes custodiant


Subject:	[novaroma] Canada Orientalis Provincial Edictum IV
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:59:59 -0000

EX DOMO POMPEIA CORNELIA STRABO PROPRAETRIX CANADA ORIENTALIS

Provincia Edictum IX

Effective this day, (date below) the current Legatus of Regio Nova
Gallia of Provincia Canada Orientalis, Pontifex Marcus Cornelius
Scriptor, will not longer hold the position of Legatus.

Effective this day, Pontifex Marcus Cornelius Scriptor shall be
granted the position of PONTIFEX OFFICIUM of Provincia Canada
Orientalis.

VI Mars MMDCCLV AUC
In the Consulship of Marcus Octavius Germanicus et Lucius Cornelius
Sulla Felix II


Subject:	[novaroma] PROVINCIA EDICTUM X
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 20:06:29 -0000

EX DOMO POMPEIA CORNELIA STRABO PROPRAETRIX CANADA ORIENTALIS
PROVINCIA NOVA ROMA

Effective this day (date below) citizen MARCUS DARIUS FIRMITUS shall
assume the position of Scriba to the Propraetrix et Procurator of
Canada Orientalis.

His duties shall be to act as laison to the Propraetrix et Procurator
in the affirs and events of Nova Gallia Regio relative to the
Provincia and her pursuit and promotion of Nova Roma.

This position shall be a precursor to the position of Legatus, to be
bestowed upon Marcus Darius Firmitus' completion of six months of
citizenship.

I would like to thank Marcus Darius for his assistance to me in
providing French translations for me, in my correspondence with Roman
Military Reenactors, et al in Nova Gallia.

VI Mars MMDCCLV AUC

In the consulship of Marcus Octavius Germanicus et Lucius Cornelius
Sulla Felix II


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Trajan in Dacia
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:49:24 EST

In a message dated 3/7/02 5:22:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
hendrik.meuleman@pi.be writes:

> As far as I know, Decebalus committed suicide before he could be
> exectuted.
>

True he was. Tiberius Claudius Maximus, II Pannoniaum Ala found him dead or
dying decapitated him, and brought the head back to Trajanus.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[novaroma] The interactive calendar
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:39:14 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete Quirites.

I would like to suggest to those in charge of mantaining the
interactive calendar on the web site to update it to include the dies
fasti, nefasti and comitiales for the next few months.

I, at least, would find it very useful for my official duties as a
magistrate.

Thank you.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: The interactive calendar
From:	"Julilla" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 23:44:26 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites.
>
> I would like to suggest to those in charge of mantaining the
> interactive calendar on the web site to update it to include the
dies
> fasti, nefasti and comitiales for the next few months.
>
> I, at least, would find it very useful for my official duties as a
> magistrate.
>
> Thank you.
>
> =====
> Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
> Gnaeus Salix Astur.
> Tribunus Plebis
> Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
> Triumvir Academiae Thules
> Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
> Lictor Curiatus.

Gnaeus Salix Astur, what a great opportunity for me to remind all
that our calendar is interactive, and important dates can be easily
added by everyone, from the provincial to the pontifex. Just go to
the date, select the type of event from the pull-down menu, and, if
it is an annual event, you can note that too!

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|||| www.villaivlilla.com
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Trajan in Dacia
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Thu, 07 Mar 2002 23:29:41 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/7/02 5:22:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> hendrik.meuleman@p... writes:
>
>
> > As far as I know, Decebalus committed suicide before he could be
> > exectuted.
> >
>
> True he was. Tiberius Claudius Maximus, II Pannoniaum Ala found
him dead or
> dying decapitated him, and brought the head back to Trajanus.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus

Yes, the article includes a photo of a frieze {sp?} from Trajan's
column depicting his death. Blame me for not being careful with my
wording!

Nerva