Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Didn't know there was an intercessio last week, did you?
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:57:08 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Quirites,

I would like to start out by thanking Flavius Vedius
for making this matter public.

--- Flavius Vedius Germanicus
<germanicus@novaroma.org> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I write to you because I believe a misinterpretation
> of the law has resulted
> in the fact that the overzealous actions of our
> Censores were vetoed by the
> Tribunes recently, but such was done under the
> misapplied cloak of secrecy.
>
> On February 28th, Cassius Flavius Dio announced that
> Minervina Iucundia
> Flavia and Caius Tullius Triumphius Cicero had been
> removed from the ranks
> of the Senate!
>
> Basically, this was done because they were thought
> to not have participated
> sufficiently in the Senate over the last year or so.
> This, despite the fact
> that Cicero had actually voted in about 40% of the
> votes, and Flavia had
> been in telephone contact with other Senators to
> explain that her email
> access was unavailable.

Drusus: I have to object to this reason to eject a
Senator. In Antiquita Senators would be gone from Roma
for extended periods. Caesar was absent for 10 years
while in Gaul, yet wasn't expelled from the Senate
despite having many foes who would have been glad to
be rid of him. It was also common for Senators to be
absent from Roma for personal business, like Brutus's
trip to collect debts during the crisis leading up to
Ceasar's crossing of the Rubicon, and again this
wasn't felt to be reason to expell Brutus.

If a Senator was convicted of a crime, expell him. If
a Senator fails to pay taxes, then they are in the
head count, and fail the means test, so that is reason
for expulsion, but failure to attend meetings? Sorry
this flys in the face of the Mos Maiorum, and I have
to object on those grounds, regardless of weather the
law permits it or not.

Just because yau may perform an action, does not mean
that doing so is required or a wise choice.

>
> As it turns out, the Senatus Consultum on procedures
> for removing Senatores,
> which spells out definite criteria for doing so, and
> instructions on how to
> handle notifications, was in full force at the time,
> but was simply ignored.

It's nice to know that there is a Consulta on this
matter. I have to assume that it's item "III.
Procedural Clarification to the Lex Vedia Senatoria"
passed the day before the expulsions, though it's hard
to be sure since only the results of the vote are
posted, not the actual Consulta.

SNIP

> This was later deemed to be not worthy of
> dissemination to the People
> because it was thought to be "Senate business" and
> thus subject to Senate
> confidentiality rules. But it was later pointed out
> that it was not, in
> fact, Senate business but rather the business of the
> Censors in their role
> as magistrates, and thus public business. Nobody
> seemed to want to let this
> particular episode leak out, however, and thus I
> come to you all today.
>

This compulsive secrecy on the part of the Senate is
doing more harm to it's reputation than any disclosure
of "Senate business" could ever do. It has the effect
of creating distrust between the people and the
Senate, something that is NOT in the long term intrest
of the Respublica.

In Antiquita most meetings of the Senate were
conducted with the doors open, and any citizen
interested in the "Senate business" was free to listen
to the procedings. The doors were only closed to the
people's ears in extraordinary times, NOT as a general
rule. These closed meetings are NOT in keeping with
the Mos Maiorum, and need to be ended for most
meetings.

If the nature of the Senate's mailing list percludes
allowing intrested citizens from following the debates
of meetings that haven't been closed, then follow the
example that C. Julius Caesar set during his first
Consulship. Publish the debates in the forum the
following day any time the Senate's "doors" haven't
been ordered closed by the magistrate that called the
Senate into secession.

L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Oath of office of Ahenobarbus (3rd try)
From:	"gaiusmm" <shinydoug@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:28:16 -0000

Salvete Novaromani,

I, Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus (Doug Welch) do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the
honour of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people and
the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus (Doug
Welch) swear to
honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the
Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus (Doug Welch) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio
Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a
way that
would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Cicero (Doug Welch) swear to protect
and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus (Doug Welch) further swear to fulfil
the obligations
and responsibilities of the office of Legate to the best of my
abilities.

On my honour as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favour, do I
accept the
position of Scribe and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Server Upgrade
From:	Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
Date:	12 Mar 2002 00:22:52 -0300

Em Seg, 2002-03-11 às 16:30, Marcus Octavius Germanicus escreveu:
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I am pleased to report that the Nova Roma web site has been successfully
> transferred to a new server this past weekend.
>
> The old server was a PII/400 with 256MB running FreeBSD 4.4,
> PostgreSQL 6.5, Apache 1.3.12, located in a small ISP with dual
> 1.5MB T1 lines to its upstream (a connection shared with a large number
> of other customers).
>
> The new server is a rack-mounted dual PIII/500 with 1024MB running
> FreeBSD 4.5, PostgreSQL 7.2, Apache 1.3.23, located in a cabinet in a
> proper machine room with industrial-strength air conditioning, backup
> power, and security, with a 10MB burstable connection.
>

Well done, such a good service could only be provided by free software
:)

Manius Villius Limitanus

Subject:	[novaroma] dedicated to our values
From:	"Marilde Goliardi Perdomo" <gmarilde@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:43:08 -0300

Salvete,
English is my second language but I will try to express my feelings for
you. Yesterday we remembered that our material presence can be attacked
but the spirit prevails and takes indestructible roots.
I know this is a site only for the reconstruction of Ancient Rome, but
she lives in us, in our present time, even in the smallest and imperceptible
actions.
Roman values are still breathing in every person every day. They are a deep
continuity in our hearts.
Yesterday I also remembered Varus and the Three Legions.
I would like to share with you a few humble words for them and for all the
free spirits that construct our solid ground:

Together we are all an intense light,
expanded through the largest roads.
More vivid than sculptured stones,
stronger than the ambusher night.

Di vos bene ament.
Valeria Constantinia Iuliana.


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] dedicated to our values
From:	Piparskeggr - Venator <catamount_grange@inwave.com>
Date:	Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:14:28 -0600

Avete Omnes,

Marilde Goliardi Perdomo wrote:
>
> Salvete,
> English is my second language but I will try to express my feelings
> for you. Yesterday we remembered that our material presence can be
> attacked but the spirit prevails and takes indestructible roots.
> [respectful excision]
> Yesterday I also remembered Varus and the Three Legions.
> I would like to share with you a few humble words for them and for
> all the free spirits that construct our solid ground:
>
> Together we are all an intense light,
> expanded through the largest roads.
> More vivid than sculptured stones,
> stronger than the ambusher night.
>
> Di vos bene ament.
> Valeria Constantinia Iuliana.
>

Brava! Well written, indeed. Your command of English is firmly in hand. I should like to see
more of you poetry.

In my religious community, we do remember Varus from the other side of the battlefield, but do
Honor he and his men as brave soldiers who did their duty to the last.

This evening I performed a ritual of remembrance for those who died on September 11th.

During ritual, there is a section where we Bless some Drink and share it with the Gods, other
Honored Ones and the People. When the Drink is shared amongst the People, Words which may come
from the Heart or Mind can be spoken, recited or sung. Here is a Horn Boast I made to their
memory:

All of these Folk, carried to Death
Must be thought of, remembered well
I lift Horn to, do this myself
Drink to their Lives, Drink o'er their Deaths

Bright morning sky, over New York
No hint of ill, in Sunna's glow
Silver birds flew, killed towers two
Thousands of lives, snuffed like candles

In Washington, government's home
Warriors' Lodge, five-sided Hall
Sky Wain was steered, into this place
Fiery end, to many lives

Fall-turning woods, harvested fields
Pennsylvania's, calm countryside
Plane struck the ground, journey shortened
Brave passengers, final Trú Deed

And so I drink, in memory
With saddened Heart, in firm resolve
Burden I'll take, Justice I'll make
In my small part, to Them, Wassail!

--
=========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Civis Nova Romana et Paterfamilias
Legatus Occidentalis pro Magna Lacus

Domus Familias
http://www.geocities.com/gens_ulleria/index.html

Dominus Sodalis
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

"It is by no means necessary that a great nation should always stand at the heroic level. But no
nation has the root of greatness in it unless in time of need it can rise to the heroic mood." -
Theodore Roosevelt

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\}

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Server Upgrade
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:51:44 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

Oops, Manius Villius has introduced another term that
requires "translation"

So here we go,

FreeBSD - An operating System based on the Unix code
developed by the University of California at Berkley.

PostgreSQL - A Database

Apache - A Webserver. It's name is a play on words. So
many software patches were applied to it in it's early
development that's it's A "Patchy" webserver. It's
also the number one webserver in use today.

free software - The Limitations of English cause some
confusion about the term "free software". It refers to
Free as in Freedom, the freedom to see and modify the
source code, not to the price as in "free beer"

Drusus

--- Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br> wrote:
> Em Seg, 2002-03-11 às 16:30, Marcus Octavius
> Germanicus escreveu:
> >
> > Salvete Quirites,
> >
> > I am pleased to report that the Nova Roma web site
> has been successfully
> > transferred to a new server this past weekend.
> >
> > The old server was a PII/400 with 256MB running
> FreeBSD 4.4,
> > PostgreSQL 6.5, Apache 1.3.12, located in a small
> ISP with dual
> > 1.5MB T1 lines to its upstream (a connection
> shared with a large number
> > of other customers).
> >
> > The new server is a rack-mounted dual PIII/500
> with 1024MB running
> > FreeBSD 4.5, PostgreSQL 7.2, Apache 1.3.23,
> located in a cabinet in a
> > proper machine room with industrial-strength air
> conditioning, backup
> > power, and security, with a 10MB burstable
> connection.
> >
>
> Well done, such a good service could only be
> provided by free software
> :)
>
> Manius Villius Limitanus
>
>


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Subject:	[novaroma] Yahoo downtime
From:	Piparskeggr - Venator <catamount_grange@inwave.com>
Date:	Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:58:37 -0600

Health and Luck All,

I'm BCCing this to the lists I regularly receive, so, y'all may see this more than once, twice
or three times...

If you haven't seen this, Heads Up! :

"Dear Yahoo! Groups Members,"

"The Yahoo! Groups service will be down Friday March 15 9:00 PM PST (GMT-8) as we move our
servers to a new facility. We expect the service to be back up the morning of Sunday March 17."

"During this time the web site will be unavailable and email will not be delivered. (Some users
may experience email non-delivery notices, but all email should be delivered once service has
resumed.) Please note: once the service is back up, there will be email delays due to backlog.
We expect these delays to last no longer than 1 day. Please do not re-send email to your group
as it will only add to delays."

"We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

"The Yahoo! Groups Team"

May I suggest taking the weekend off?

--
=========================================
In Frith under Troth, may the Gods see you!
- Piparskeggr skjaldberi Ullar
AKA
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator

Subject:	[novaroma] A Way to get New Citizens
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:06:59 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

Humor Alert !!

It seems another micronation has a problem of too many
people applying for citizenship.

Ladonia http://www.ladonia.net/ has had over 3,000
recent applications for citzenship from Pakistan.

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-857123.html

Looks like we have a chance to show a dramatic
increase in our population this year by going for the
South Asia market. ;o)

Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A Way to get New Citizens
From:	Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net>
Date:	Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:35:54 +0100

L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:
> It seems another micronation has a problem of too many
> people applying for citizenship.
>
> Ladonia http://www.ladonia.net/ has had over 3,000
> recent applications for citzenship from Pakistan.

Salve, Luci Sicini Druse.

They interviewed the owner/funder/state secretary today in swedish
radio, he's quite hilarious to listen to. Carefully avoiding actually
stating that it's not a real nation, yet giving the impression that
"It's just for fun, ya know? 'sides, I don't wanna move my statues. Yes,
they are statues. They are too. Are too!"

*GRIN* :) :)

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

--

"Qui desiderat bellum, praeparet bellum." - Vetinari

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Yahoo downtime
From:	"germanicus_nr" <germanicus@novaroma.org>
Date:	Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:34:48 -0000

Salve,

There is some confusion as to whether this downtime will actually be
affecting the Yahoo service as a whole or only in selected areas. An
inquiry has been sent <several days ago> to Yahoo and when a reply is
received a "heads-up" will be given to those it will affect.

Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena

--- In novaroma@y..., Piparskeggr - Venator <catamount_grange@i...>
wrote:
> Health and Luck All,
>
> I'm BCCing this to the lists I regularly receive, so, y'all may see this more than once, twice
> or three times...
>
> If you haven't seen this, Heads Up! :
>
> "Dear Yahoo! Groups Members,"
>
> "The Yahoo! Groups service will be down Friday March 15 9:00 PM PST (GMT-8) as we move our
> servers to a new facility. We expect the service to be back up the morning of Sunday March 17."
>
> "During this time the web site will be unavailable and email will not be delivered. (Some users
> may experience email non-delivery notices, but all email should be delivered once service has
> resumed.) Please note: once the service is back up, there will be email delays due to backlog.
> We expect these delays to last no longer than 1 day. Please do not re-send email to your group
> as it will only add to delays."
>
> "We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
>
> "The Yahoo! Groups Team"
>
> May I suggest taking the weekend off?
>
> --
> =========================================
> In Frith under Troth, may the Gods see you!
> - Piparskeggr skjaldberi Ullar
> AKA
> - Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator

Subject:	[novaroma] Provincia Propraetors Needed
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:53:05 -0800

Avete Omnes,

In preparation for the upcoming Senate call we, the Consuls of Nova Roma, would like to announce the following vacant propraetor positions. If you are interested in applying for any of these please email consuls@novaroma.org with a statement of intent and a brief plan or agenda of what you would like to accomplish during your tenure of office.

The following provinciae are in need of governors:

Gallia
Sarmatia - Russia
America Austroccidentis - US Southwest
America Medioccidentalis Superior - US North/Central
Mediatlantica - US East
Mexico
Australia

Very Respectfully submitted,

Marcus Octavius Germancius
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consuls of Nova Roma


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Server Upgrade
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:22:46 -0500

Salve Marcus Octavius Germanicus,

I too wish to join my fellow citizens in thanking you for your hard work on
the Nova Roma web site. The site is currently our best way of conveying our
message to the general public and your dedication towards this aspect of our
nation is a great service. Meus grates!

Vale,


"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

>Marcus Octavius Germanicus at haase@konoko.net wrote:
>
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I am pleased to report that the Nova Roma web site has been successfully
> transferred to a new server this past weekend.
>
> The old server was a PII/400 with 256MB running FreeBSD 4.4,
> PostgreSQL 6.5, Apache 1.3.12, located in a small ISP with dual
> 1.5MB T1 lines to its upstream (a connection shared with a large number
> of other customers).
>
> The new server is a rack-mounted dual PIII/500 with 1024MB running
> FreeBSD 4.5, PostgreSQL 7.2, Apache 1.3.23, located in a cabinet in a
> proper machine room with industrial-strength air conditioning, backup
> power, and security, with a 10MB burstable connection.
>
> Valete, Octavius.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus
> Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	[novaroma] Oath of Office - Senator
From:	"Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato" <a.cato@sympatico.ca>
Date:	Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:25:45 -0500

Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato novaromanis S.P.D.

Oath of Office

I, Robert Charles Williamson - Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to always act in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a senator of Nova Roma, I, Robert Charles Williamson - Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Robert Charles Williamson - Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma, and swear to never act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Robert Charles Williamson - Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Robert Charles Williamson - Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Senator to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people, and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Senator, and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

-- Taken this day, XII Martius, MMDCCLV a.u.c. in the Consulship of Marcus Octavius Germanicus, and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.



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Subject:	[novaroma] Thanks and such
From:	"darkling_crawler" <hendrik.meuleman@pi.be>
Date:	Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:54:58 -0000

Salvete;

Thanks for all the positive input and comments regarding the story!
I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Fransisce: I'll reply to you privately tomorrow, when I have some
more time.

Valete bene,
Solaris

Subject:	[novaroma] Ahenobarbus Oath, Official
From:	"gaiusmm" <shinydoug@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:36:28 -0000

This is the official oath made by C.Cornelius Ahenobarbus,
As opposed to that personal one posted earlier
I, Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus (Shiny Doug Welch) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus (Doug
Welch) swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
life.

I, Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus (Doug Welch) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus (Doug Welch) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus (Doug Welch) further swear to fulfil
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of (state office
here) to the best of my abilities.

On my honour as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favour,
do I accept the position of (state office here) and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.