Subject:	[novaroma] Re: RESIGNATION
From:	"rexmarciusnr" <Tal123berg@aol.com>
Date:	Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:51:57 -0000

Salve Karen (Priscilla)!

Let me start by saying that your hard work for and dedication to Nova
Roma can hardly be questioned by anyone. Your personal style and
choice of policies might find the citizens divided into friends and
enemies, but you certainly deserve credit by the Populus for what you
have achieved. Nova Roma is very lucky in that it has many, many
people like you serving it with so little personal ambition –although
in your case I should rather say "have served" it until today.

But having said this, let me also point our to those who are younger
around this list, that I am indeed one of the people you refer to
as "too sick of the poltical
games of a very few" and who left Nova Roma on the Ides of March 2754
AUC. That statement of yours is very true and it mainly had to do
with what the Senate - as a collective body - did by deciding to
place blind loyalty and clientela bonds above very real achievements.
But here already the supposed analogies ends in our cases.

What struck me with your affair from the beginning was the way your
Senate membership was introduced to this august body (whose
procedures I know very well as one of its former members). Your
husband, in the last days of his office as Consul, brought your name
forward after you had just lost the race for a position, which would
automatically have brought you a Senate seat (the position of Censor
for which I once competed myself and where I got heavily criticized –
same as you - for not completing the cursus honorum).

Achievements, cara Karen, should not only BE the only reason for
elevation to the Senate, but should also be SEEN as the only reason.
If it were otherwise, people trying to become Senators would not give
their best efforts to Nova Roma itself but to the choice of the right
family and to patron-cliens relationships. That would be a nightmare
for the institution.

As the later vote of the Senate has quite clearly shown, there are
many people in Nova Roma who have a right to be considered for a
Senate seat. And it seems that you are not among the first three if
the Senate is given a choice among those. Frankly, in your case, my
public perception (I have no access to Senate debates any longer)
was, that your connections to your husband had much more to do with
your original nomination to the Senate than your achievements. That
may or may not be true, but it certainly smells a little foul.

The balance of power as enshrined in the Lex Vedia (sic!) gives the
Censors the right to weigh such considerations because it allows them
to apply their discretion (don't forget it is not and should not be
automatic) when adding people to the rolls of Senators after a
Senatus Consultum. My perception of the whole affair was that they
have indeed done this Res Publica a service by insisting on a
different format for the Senate recommendation.

In my opinion you have to criticize your husband for his ill-timed
and misjudged actions and not whine about the Censors (or one
particular Censor in that case). It was your husband who ran the
asylum when I chose to go home.

Marcus Marcius Rex


--- In novaroma@y..., "JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@g...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I come before you today to make Cincinnatus a very happy man.
>
SNIP

> Goodbye.
>
> Karen Bloch
> Formerly Priscilla Vedia Serena

Subject:	[novaroma] ancient culture of Villanova
From:	"luciuspompeius" <danielovi@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Mar 2002 02:40:05 -0000

Salvete omnes.
I just learned that by the time Rome was founded, there was a
culture called Villanova in that region of Italy. I wonder if it is
related with the current last names Villeneuve (in french) and
Villanueva (in spanish), or it is just a coincidence. Sincerely, I
am astonished by the similarities between the name of that culture
and the mentioned last names. In fact in latin Villanova means
Villanueva in spanish and Villeneuve in french. This issue really
excites me very much because my last name is... Villanueva.
So you can imagine the anxiety I have to know the answer :-) .
Valete bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus

Subject:	[novaroma] Festival of Quinquatrus
From:	"pjane64" <pcassia@janeraeburn.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:57:11 -0000

Next week we celebrate the festival of the Greater Quinquatrus, sacred
to Minerva and Mars. This ancient Roman festival was among other things
a holiday for students - meaning the custom of "spring break" goes back
millennia!

I've written a brief article on Minerva and the Quinquatrus which
includes a reconstructed ritual of offering to Minerva and several
ideas for honoring Minerva in daily life. It also features two photos
from the altar to Minerva in my home.

You can find the article at:
http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/quinquatrus.html

As priestess of Minerva, I am available to Nova Romans to offer prayers
to her on your behalf in her areas of influence (health, craftsmanship/
work, teaching and learning, arts and music). I'll also try to answer
any questions you might have about the goddess.

Yours in service,

Patricia Cassia
Priestess of Minerva

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: ancient culture of Villanova
From:	"pjane64" <pcassia@janeraeburn.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:59:58 -0000

Alas! It wasn't called "Villanovan" in ancient times. The word is just
one that modern scholars use to describe a certain time period. The
first artifacts from that time period were found in 1853 in a town
called, you guessed it, Villanova.

This page from the Archaeological Museum of Bologna explains it:
http://www.comune.bologna.it/bologna/Musei/Archeologico/etruschi/en/
2b_e.htm

Sorry!

Patricia Cassia

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: ancient culture of Villanova
From:	"luciuspompeius" <danielovi@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Mar 2002 04:11:29 -0000

Salve
Thank you very much for the answer! And for the link too!. I really
appreciate them!.
Now I have the answer :-) .
Vale bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus



--- In novaroma@y..., "pjane64" <pcassia@j...> wrote:
> Alas! It wasn't called "Villanovan" in ancient times. The word is
just
> one that modern scholars use to describe a certain time period. The
> first artifacts from that time period were found in 1853 in a town
> called, you guessed it, Villanova.
>
> This page from the Archaeological Museum of Bologna explains it:
> http://www.comune.bologna.it/bologna/Musei/Archeologico/etruschi/en/
> 2b_e.htm
>
> Sorry!
>
> Patricia Cassia

Subject:	[novaroma] Absence
From:	"Alexander Probus" <alexprobus1@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:42:52 +0100

Salvete Qvirites,

I would like to announce that till the end of April I will be absent from
the forums of Nova Roma. My absence is caused by an important international
project of my employeer. If necessary, you could reach me on my office
telephone number 004212/582 484 76, where you may to ask for Alexander.
I hope at the end of April, I will be able to join activities of our beloved
Res Publica.

Bene valete

Alexander I.C. Probus


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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [SenatusRomanus] Oath of Office - Senator
From:	"rexmarciusnr" <Tal123berg@aol.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:36:27 -0000

Salvete omnes!

An oath of office is certainly a good thing, but there is just a
point of clarification I need, maybe someone involved in the drafting
of the lex can enlighten me here:

The respective lex Cassia Iunia requires the oath of all apointed and
elected "magistrates". Senators hold an office but are
not "magistrates" (as defined in the Constitution). Are they required
to swear the oath (to assume their seat) or is this just a
declarative affirmation of allegiance?

Thanks for any inputs on this!

Marcus Marcius Rex



--- In novaroma@y..., Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@t...>
wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> I, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (Christer Edling) do hereby solemnly
> swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best
> interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
(Christer
> Edling) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
> dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
> life.
>
> I, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (Christer Edling) further swear to
> fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the position of
> Senator to the best of my abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
> Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
> do I accept the position of Senator and all the rights, privileges,
> obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
> Propraetor of Thule
> AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [SenatusRomanus] Oath of Office - Senator
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:19:28 +0100

Salve Honorable Marcus Marcius Rex, my friend!

You are more experienced than I when it comes to being a Senator. I
have consulted Senators who have been here for some years. The advise
I got was: You can do as You feel! You are not required to swear any
oath, but You can do it!

So I for my part wanted to as You said make "a declarative
affirmation of allegiance" and the oath seemed to be the best way of
doing that! So I did just that! ;-)

To me Nova Roma is quite important, I learn a lot here and I work a
lot here. I intend to stay even if I may loose some, because I also
hope to win some. In the long run I think that the dream of Nova Roma
is going to succeed, as much as any good human project can. Senator
Illustrus Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato and others may have another
answer.

>Salvete omnes!
>
>An oath of office is certainly a good thing, but there is just a
>point of clarification I need, maybe someone involved in the drafting
>of the lex can enlighten me here:
>
>The respective lex Cassia Iunia requires the oath of all apointed and
>elected "magistrates". Senators hold an office but are
>not "magistrates" (as defined in the Constitution). Are they required
>to swear the oath (to assume their seat) or is this just a
>declarative affirmation of allegiance?
>
>Thanks for any inputs on this!
>
>Marcus Marcius Rex

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
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Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [SenatusRomanus] Oath of Office - Senator
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:31:41 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., "rexmarciusnr" <Tal123berg@a...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes!

Salve,

> An oath of office is certainly a good thing, but there is just a
> point of clarification I need, maybe someone involved in the
drafting
> of the lex can enlighten me here:
>
> The respective lex Cassia Iunia requires the oath of all apointed
and
> elected "magistrates". Senators hold an office but are
> not "magistrates" (as defined in the Constitution). Are they
required
> to swear the oath (to assume their seat) or is this just a
> declarative affirmation of allegiance?
>
> Thanks for any inputs on this!

I would say you are right, that it is not required. Only magistrates
have to take the Oath of Office and senator is not a magistracy.
However, most if not all senators would have already taken the Oath
for previously or currently held magistracies.


Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius

Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana]: Pridie Idus Martias (March 14th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <antonio.grilo@inov.pt>
Date:	Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:04:40 -0000

ANTONIVS GRYLLVS GRAECVS PONTIFEX OMNIBVS QVIRITIBVS

Today is a "dies nefastus publicus" (NP), a day of special religious
observance when legal business cannot take place.

Today is the Equirria, nother horse-racing festival in honour of Mars
similar to the Equirria of February 27th.

This day was also dedicated to Mamurius, and so it was also called the
Mamuralia [Philocalus and Menologia calendars]. Mamurius is a mysterious
name, which is mentioned in the 'carmen' of the Salii [Varro, De Lingua
Latina, 6.59]. Mamurius Veturius was the name of the smith ordered by Numa
to forge the copies of the 'ancile' that fell from heaven [Festus, De
Verborum Significatione, on 'Mamuri Veturi'][Plutarch, Numa, 13.6]. But it
can also be the Etruscan name for god Mars. On this day, "the Salii beat a
skin like a smith beats metal" [Servius, Vergilii Aeneidos, 7.188]. This is
corroborated by Minucius Felix [Minucius Felix, Octavius.24.3]. Lydus, on
the other hand, says that on the Idus (which is probably an error for March
14th) a man dressed in skins was beaten with rods and driven out of the
city, with shouts of 'Mamurius' [Lydus, De Mensibus, 4.49]. He also gives a
not very clear explanation that this rite commemorated the story that the
smith Mamurius was driven from the city because misfortune befell the Romans
when they changed the use of the shields (an expulsion or Mamurius to Oscan
territory may be also implied in [Propertius, Sexti Properti Elegiae,
5.2.61]).

Di vos incolumes custodiant

Subject:	[novaroma] Newbie..
From:	Raven Morgan Leigh <golanv1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:32:49 -0800 (PST)

Salvete,

I am semi new here... my name is Raven, and I had once
been a canidate for citizenship last year. Well,
things didn't work out; I had to move to Mississppi to
care for a family member, and lost all access to email
in the process.

Well, now I'm back, and have re-applied for
citizenship.. and am now waiting on pins and needles
to find out if I pass muster!

I hope to learn a lot here, whether I am accepted or
not, I'd really love to study Latin, and learn more
about the arts . I'm also very interested in
tradtional Roman religion.

Regards,

Raven (or Magia, which is the Roman name I chose) :-)



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