Forum Romanum


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Worried About the Future
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:17:01 -0500

Salve Marcus Cornelius,

> Marcus Cornelius Tiberius at otto_von_sitter@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I might not be well versed in everything that's going on, but it
> seems to me we don't have to be too worried.

Even though originally I expressed my worry for Nova Roma in the hours after
the resignation of the Vedii, it was not based solely on the resignation of
Flavius Vedius. I do believe Nova Roma will not suffer much long term harm
from the resignation of one citizen, even if he is a founder of this nation.

Although, I was concerned about the possibility of wide spread discontent
among the senate. If our senate ceased to operate in an efficient and
dependable manner I do believe that it would present an alarming situation.
But fortunately our Consul Marcus Octavius had reassured me that wide spread
discontent among our senators is not taking place. In fact the resignations
of the Vedii, according to Marcus Octavius, were caused by a personal
dispute between the Vedii and the way the senate voted. Therefore the
situation I originally believed was taking place was actually not happening.

> One of the core values I've had to learn as
> an AFROTC cadet is "Service Before Self" which I find fitting to a
> citizen's responsiblity to NR.

Marcus, I completely agree with you on the importance of this value. I
believe this would fall under the Roman virtue of Pietas. Dutifulness is
something I attempt to follow in all aspects of my life, and putting service
before ones self is one of the vital aspects of what citizenship truly
means. Here in Nova Roma we are a community and when taking part in this
community we must be aware of the good of Nova Roma and our fellow citizens
as a whole. This of course can apply for any organisation one takes part in.

Vale,

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] For Minerva, on Quinquatrus
From:	Piparskeggr - Venator <catamount_grange@inwave.com>
Date:	Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:21:11 -0600

Ave Nerva,

gcassiusnerva wrote:
>
> [respectful excision]
>
> {G. Cassius Nerva}
>
> {On two other lists I posted this
> I admit, it was my plan
> But bear with me, please, my first Poem
> And pardon thou this Spam!}
>

Nicely done, quite nicely done.

My words as one who is called a Skald in his own Faith Community.

Here it is, my fellow Romans, an example of what we must do.

Write the poems and prose, story and song, profound exposition and off-color story...

Thank you, Nerva.

--
=========================================
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- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Civis Nova Romana et Paterfamilias
Legatus Occidentalis pro Magna Lacus

Domus Familias
http://www.geocities.com/gens_ulleria/index.html

Dominus Sodalis
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

"We must all stand for something, because those who stand for nothing
will fall for anything!" - CAMRA slogan


Subject:	[novaroma] Enthused about the Future :)
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:24:05 EST

Salvete,

I don't mean to continue an unpleasant thread, but I've been doing some
thinking about the resignation of the Vedii and things in general. Hopefully
everyone will forgive me for just 'talking' for a bit.

For a long while before he resigned, Germanicus corresponded with me about
his waning interest in Nova Roma. Several times he complained that 'the dream
is dead", "Nova Roma is a failure", etc.

I was completely surprised by this - since I've been feeling exactly the
*opposite* way for the last few months. Germanicus and I created Nova Roma
four years and eighteen days ago.

After all this time I am still absolutely thrilled to be here.

Nova Roma has allowed me to meet others with similar interests, and has given
me community in an area of my life where I was once horribly isolated. Nova
Roma has given me the opportunity to worship the Roman Gods and to enjoy
'things Roman' alongside others - people I didn't even know existed four
years ago!

Nova Roma has been the place where I've learned an incredible amount of
things, from history, to dealing with others on a daily basis. It has not
only been a place I've made friends, but also a place where I've had to deal
with those I disagree with. It is the place that has taught me more than
anywhere else that the problems of today will be forgotten by next week.

Even more importantly, Nova Roma has continued to be completely *fascinating*
for the last four years. Almost every day there's something new. New people,
new ideas, new projects, new challenges, and even new arguments. In my
everyday life there have been times all the days start seeming the same. They
just kind of slide by. That *never* happens here.

Nova Roma has been the only thing I likely ever participate in that will be
remembered by history. There are many things in my life that are important to
ME, but so very few things that are important to the world in general. Except
this.

All those thoughts and feelings add up to the best thing of all... Nova Roma
has continually been a source of hope for the future. In everyday life I
pretty much know what will happen next year, and in the next ten years. Here,
the sky is the limit. There is a part of my life with unlimited opportunity,
unlimited potential, and a future that is guaranteed to be interesting.

No wonder I'm glad to be here, and am 'enthused about the future.'

So. Anyone want to do anything new and interesting today? Build a new
Sodalitas? Start a study group to investigate some part of the Roman world
and its history? Learn Explore ancient literature and philosophy? Learn
Latin? Hold a public event? Build community on the local and/or international
level? Create a ritual to the Gods?

I'm up for it, and can't wait to join ya. :)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pater Patriae


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Enthused about the Future :)
From:	"cfdflaviusdio" <3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:46:23 -0000

Salvete Quirites,
Salve Marce Cassi Iuliani Pontifex.

Honoured Pontifex et Pater Patriae, you choosed the right words in the
current situation. I thank you for this. You described the behaviour,
and the spirit, we so urgently need now and in future.

I recieved my approval for citizenship 2 years and 4 days ago. During
this 2 years I found many new friends, and I had the chance to engage
myself in Sodalitates, as provincial official, and in the central
government. In this 2 years, Nova Roma made huge steps forward.

When I joined we had around 400 citizens, now we have ca. 1200. 1200
individuals, loving all things roman. 1200 citizens who wants to be a
part of the community. Of course, more or less active, but they found
their way to us.

Many left us, and each citizen going is a loss for Nova Roma. But I
also saw many citizens re-joining after they realized what they left.

The dream isn´t dead. We have so many citizens willing and able to
continue, to build a new Rome.

Ancient Rome lasted over 1000 years. We are now in our 5th year. Our
community, our Res Publica, will develope, grow and prosper.

Bene Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor, Senator
Propraetor Germaniae
Lictor

--- In novaroma@y..., cassius622@a... wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I don't mean to continue an unpleasant thread, but I've been doing
some
> thinking about the resignation of the Vedii and things in general.
Hopefully
> everyone will forgive me for just 'talking' for a bit.
>
> For a long while before he resigned, Germanicus corresponded with me
about
> his waning interest in Nova Roma. Several times he complained that
'the dream
> is dead", "Nova Roma is a failure", etc.
>
> I was completely surprised by this - since I've been feeling
exactly the
> *opposite* way for the last few months. Germanicus and I created
Nova Roma
> four years and eighteen days ago.
>
> After all this time I am still absolutely thrilled to be here.
>
> Nova Roma has allowed me to meet others with similar interests, and
has given
> me community in an area of my life where I was once horribly
isolated. Nova
> Roma has given me the opportunity to worship the Roman Gods and to
enjoy
> 'things Roman' alongside others - people I didn't even know existed
four
> years ago!
>
> Nova Roma has been the place where I've learned an incredible amount
of
> things, from history, to dealing with others on a daily basis. It
has not
> only been a place I've made friends, but also a place where I've had
to deal
> with those I disagree with. It is the place that has taught me more
than
> anywhere else that the problems of today will be forgotten by next
week.
>
> Even more importantly, Nova Roma has continued to be completely
*fascinating*
> for the last four years. Almost every day there's something new. New
people,
> new ideas, new projects, new challenges, and even new arguments. In
my
> everyday life there have been times all the days start seeming the
same. They
> just kind of slide by. That *never* happens here.
>
> Nova Roma has been the only thing I likely ever participate in that
will be
> remembered by history. There are many things in my life that are
important to
> ME, but so very few things that are important to the world in
general. Except
> this.
>
> All those thoughts and feelings add up to the best thing of all...
Nova Roma
> has continually been a source of hope for the future. In everyday
life I
> pretty much know what will happen next year, and in the next ten
years. Here,
> the sky is the limit. There is a part of my life with unlimited
opportunity,
> unlimited potential, and a future that is guaranteed to be
interesting.
>
> No wonder I'm glad to be here, and am 'enthused about the future.'
>
> So. Anyone want to do anything new and interesting today? Build a
new
> Sodalitas? Start a study group to investigate some part of the Roman
world
> and its history? Learn Explore ancient literature and philosophy?
Learn
> Latin? Hold a public event? Build community on the local and/or
international
> level? Create a ritual to the Gods?
>
> I'm up for it, and can't wait to join ya. :)
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Pater Patriae


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Enthused about the Future :)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:59:21 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete Marce Cassi et Omnes,

Hear hear! Good to hear someone espouse the very many
positive aspects of Nova Roma. Very eloquently put.
The dream of NR is very far from 'dead'. How can it be
otherwise, given that we are an organisation that
encompasses and accomodates the dreams of so many. I
believe that as we continue to grow and incorporate
the aspirations and visions of those who continue to
join with us, this will forever remain the case.

Long live the Respublica!!!

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

I don't mean to continue an unpleasant thread, but
I've been doing some 
thinking about the resignation of the Vedii and things
in general. Hopefully 
everyone will forgive me for just 'talking' for a bit.
 
 
For a long while before he resigned, Germanicus
corresponded with me about 
his waning interest in Nova Roma. Several times he
complained that 'the dream 
is dead", "Nova Roma is a
failure", etc. 
 
I was completely surprised by this - since I've
been feeling exactly the 
*opposite* way for the last few months. Germanicus and
I created Nova Roma 
four years and eighteen days ago. 
 
After all this time I am still absolutely thrilled to
be here. 
 
Nova Roma has allowed me to meet others with similar
interests, and has given 
me community in an area of my life where I was once
horribly isolated. Nova 
Roma has given me the opportunity to worship the Roman
Gods and to enjoy 
'things Roman' alongside others - people I didn't even
know existed four 
years ago! 
 
Nova Roma has been the place where I've learned an
incredible amount of 
things, from history, to dealing with others on a
daily basis. It has not 
only been a place I've made friends, but also a place
where I've had to deal 
with those I disagree with. It is the place that has
taught me more than 
anywhere else that the problems of today will be
forgotten by next week. 
 
Even more importantly, Nova Roma has continued to be
completely *fascinating* 
for the last four years. Almost every day there's
something new. New people, 
new ideas, new projects, new challenges, and even new
arguments. In my 
everyday life there have been times all the days start
seeming the same. They 
just kind of slide by. That *never* happens here. 
 
Nova Roma has been the only thing I likely ever
participate in that will be 
remembered by history. There are many things in my
life that are important to 
ME, but so very few things that are important to the
world in general. Except 
this. 
 
All those thoughts and feelings add up to the best
thing of all... Nova Roma 
has continually been a source of hope for the future.
In everyday life I 
pretty much know what will happen next year, and in
the next ten years. Here, 
the sky is the limit. There is a part of my life with
unlimited opportunity, 
unlimited potential, and a future that is guaranteed
to be interesting. 
 
No wonder I'm glad to be here, and am 'enthused about
the future.' 
 
So. Anyone want to do anything new and interesting
today? Build a new 
Sodalitas? Start a study group to investigate some
part of the Roman world 
and its history? Learn Explore ancient literature and
philosophy? Learn 
Latin? Hold a public event? Build community on the
local and/or international 
level? Create a ritual to the Gods? 
 
I'm up for it, and can't wait to join ya. :) 
 
Valete, 
 
Marcus Cassius Julianus 
Pater Patriae 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Tax Report
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:24:08 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete Quirites.

--- MarcusAudens@webtv.net wrote:
> Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
> I am pleased to be able to follow up on Quaestor Laenus' Tax Report,
> and congratulate the Citizens of Provincia Espania in thier ability
> and willingness to get together and come to a common conclusion / and
> decision.
>
> My thanks for your loyalty and adherence to Nova Roma, and for your
> example. I am very impressed!!!!
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
> Senator / ProConsul

Thank you very much, senator Audens.

I hope that this is seen as an example of what can be achieved with a
little provincial cooperation. We need to improve our provincial ties, gentlemen.

=====
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Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	[novaroma]
From:	"Claudia Cornelia Puteana" <puteana@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:31:46 +0100

Salvete omnes!

Due to some very personel matters Caius & I will no longer be able to be a
citizen of NR.

We hereby both resign of all the functions that we practice.

We've asked the Censores to cancel our citizenship as of today.

We wish you all the very best.

Vale bene!

Claudia Cornelia Puteana
Caius Cornelius Puteanus


Subject:	[novaroma] Major changes to design of the forums of Augustus and Trajan.
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:39:07 EST

Salvete
In the most recent volume of *Roemische Mitteilungen* there is an
article describing some of the more striking results of the imperial
forum excavations in Rome last year, including major changes to our
picture of the forums of Augustus and Trajan.

Interested people can find out more at:
http://www.dainst.de/en/pub/rm107inh.html

An index with abstracts of the contents of the current and past editions (to
1997) of Röömische Mitteilungen) can be found here:
http://www.dainst.de/en/pub/rm.html

Q. Fabius Maximus

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Enthused about the Future :)
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:53:27 +0100

Salve Pater Patriae Ilustrus Marcus Cassius Julianus et Salvete Quirites!

I wholeheartedly agree that the "dream is not dead"! I have just
taken my seat in the Senate and I hope to continue to work there for
at least 25 years. Years that I expect to be full of success, even if
we of course will experience our share of failures.

The crisis that Nova Roma has went through recently, seem to pass
without any deep damage. My feeling is that we will come out stronger
than before. It isn't easy when new citizens or veterans leave, but I
am sure that Nova Roma is going to survive and even thrive. To me who
is new in the Senate the Senate doesn't seem to go through any
division at all. I am sure that the Senate will be divided at times
over points of issues, but in the end I have great hope to see the
Senate being able to continue to be the leadership that Nova Roma
needs!

Nova Roma is slowly becoming a dream come true and I for one want to
continue to be a part of it!
--

Valete

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Enthused about the Future :)
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:48:18 -0500

Salve Marcus Cassius Julianus,

Thank you for sharing these comments on the future of Nova Roma. It is this
enthusiasm that drives us all on towards our eventual goal. It is always
very pleasent to read comments like these and it's posts like these that
make me feel even prouder to be a part of Nova Roma.

I am disappointed about the resignations, although Nova Roma is indeed
moving forward and doing very well. Personally I am quite pleased to read
the tax report released recently by Marcus Minucius Audens. Sure, some
people may not agree on all issues surrounding the new tax, but it does look
very bright to see the amount of money we have raised through this. In my
time since I gained citizenship I have seen much growth in our numbers and I
have not even been here very long compared to most. The comming years will
be fascinating indeed and I am honoured to be given the chance to contribute
to Nova Roma in my small ways.

Vale,

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

>Marcus Cassius Julianus at cassius622@aol.com wrote:
>
> I don't mean to continue an unpleasant thread, but I've been doing some
> thinking about the resignation of the Vedii and things in general. Hopefully
> everyone will forgive me for just 'talking' for a bit.
>
> For a long while before he resigned, Germanicus corresponded with me about
> his waning interest in Nova Roma. Several times he complained that 'the dream
> is dead", "Nova Roma is a failure", etc.
>
> I was completely surprised by this - since I've been feeling exactly the
> *opposite* way for the last few months. Germanicus and I created Nova Roma
> four years and eighteen days ago.
>
> After all this time I am still absolutely thrilled to be here.
>
> Nova Roma has allowed me to meet others with similar interests, and has given
> me community in an area of my life where I was once horribly isolated. Nova
> Roma has given me the opportunity to worship the Roman Gods and to enjoy
> 'things Roman' alongside others - people I didn't even know existed four
> years ago!
>
> Nova Roma has been the place where I've learned an incredible amount of
> things, from history, to dealing with others on a daily basis. It has not
> only been a place I've made friends, but also a place where I've had to deal
> with those I disagree with. It is the place that has taught me more than
> anywhere else that the problems of today will be forgotten by next week.
>
> Even more importantly, Nova Roma has continued to be completely *fascinating*
> for the last four years. Almost every day there's something new. New people,
> new ideas, new projects, new challenges, and even new arguments. In my
> everyday life there have been times all the days start seeming the same. They
> just kind of slide by. That *never* happens here.
>
> Nova Roma has been the only thing I likely ever participate in that will be
> remembered by history. There are many things in my life that are important to
> ME, but so very few things that are important to the world in general. Except
> this.
>
> All those thoughts and feelings add up to the best thing of all... Nova Roma
> has continually been a source of hope for the future. In everyday life I
> pretty much know what will happen next year, and in the next ten years. Here,
> the sky is the limit. There is a part of my life with unlimited opportunity,
> unlimited potential, and a future that is guaranteed to be interesting.
>
> No wonder I'm glad to be here, and am 'enthused about the future.'
>
> So. Anyone want to do anything new and interesting today? Build a new
> Sodalitas? Start a study group to investigate some part of the Roman world
> and its history? Learn Explore ancient literature and philosophy? Learn
> Latin? Hold a public event? Build community on the local and/or international
> level? Create a ritual to the Gods?
>
> I'm up for it, and can't wait to join ya. :)


Subject:	[novaroma] Resignations: Is there something wrong with NR ?
From:	Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
Date:	20 Mar 2002 16:05:01 -0300

Salvete,

the recurrent phenomena of resignations of mecontent active citizens
made us all think about the situation in NR.

Both friends and opponents of mine act as if they were living in hard
dictature:

My friends (~the political opposition) resign from NR as a form of
voluntary exile because their voice is not heard, it is often true at
the senate level, but more then once laws have been proposed to the
people where our voices were counted and we regularly lost. If we are
not heared by the people we must try to convince them not resign,
rendering the next vote even more difficult. The votes are held, slowly,
but yet they are held, the tribunes can propose laws even against the
will of the senate : this is not a dictature and no need to leave, we
must just try harder to convince our co-cityzens.

My opponents (the Vedii and friends) resign from NR because they lost a
battle just like ex-dictators go to exile after losing the power. Again,
this is not a democratic attitude. In a democracy like NR, sometimes you
win sometimes you lose. In politics your allies can become your
opponents, it happens often since everybody has different ideas. This is
no reason to resign from NR, even if it can be areason for resigning
from a charge when you have no more the confiance of your allies.
NR is not "your thing". NR is a living nation which evolves and changes
with or without you, you are part of NR, NR is not part of you.

There is nothing wrong with NR, there are some things wrong with some
citizens, unfortunately very active citizens.

Vale

Manius Villius Limitanus


Subject:	[novaroma] Temporary Absence
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:38:11 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete Quirites.

I will be leaving Madrid during one week.

On Friday the 22nd of March, I will fly to Paris, and I will return on
Friday the 29th of March.

During this period, I will not be able to read or answer your messages.
If anyone needs to contact me because of one of my current offices,
please feel free to address the same issue to my colleagues in the
Tribunate, in the Academia or in the provincial government of Hispania.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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