Subject:	[novaroma] Citizen Deaths---Memorial
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:49:04 -0000

Salvete,

I was wondering if it might be appropriate to have a web page to
the memory of Nova Romans who have died as citizens. Perhaps such a
memorial area could be called Catacombs. If this is too morbid,
disregard the idea. But I do think some kind of NR memorial paghe
would be fitting.

Gaius Cassius Nerva

Subject:	[novaroma] Explaining Latin Irregularities,
From:	"Cl. Salix Davianus" <davius_sanctex@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:53:25 -0000

Salvete Latinistae:

Look at this extrange and umpredictable things:

(1) nix 'snow (nom.)' -----------> nivis 'of the snow (gen.)'
(2) vinc-ere 'win' ------------------> vic-isse 'have won'
frang-ere 'break' -------------> frac-tus 'broken'
(3) genus 'kind, class (nom.)' -------------> generis (gen.)
corpus 'body (nom.) ' --------------------> corporis (gen.)

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these things as another irregularities in Latin can be explained looking at reconstruted proto-indoeuropean:

(1) If we look at another indoeuropean languages: English <snow>, Greek <niphá>, Russian <sneg>, Lituanian <sniegas> we can reconstruct the indoeourpean stem for 'snow' as <*snighw->. An * represented a reconstructed but actually non attested word. Also /ghw/ is indeed a labio-velar phoneme (not tree): it represent an aspirated labialized voiced stop. In germanic languages this stop is reduced to the labiovelar glide /w/, Greek reduces it to a labial aspirated stop /ph/ (this also represented one phonema, not two!). If we take into consideration flexive endings:

nominative: <*snighw-s> --------> Ancient Latin <*sni:gs> ---> Classical Latin <nix> = [ni:ks]
acussative: <*snighwm> --------> Ancient Latin <*sni:wem> ---> Classical Latin <nivem> = [ni:ks]

(2) This also can be explained as a residue of the ancient indoeuropean flexion. The -n- also apears in other Indoeuropean languages, such as Sanscrit, in the same position where it apear -n- in Latin verbs!

(3) Rotacism the change of voiceless /s/ into the voiced /r/ that is frequent in languages lacking [z] sounds (for example Popular Madrilian Spanish). Originally the Ancient Latin was <*genes> 'kind, class' and <*corpos>. The first by analogy tend to be realized as <genus> the second by etruscan influence on non-tonic latin /o/ become /u/, if we take in consideration such forms:

corporis < (*corpozis <) Ancient Latin <*corposis> (a perfectly regular form!)
generis < (*genezis <) Ancient Latin <*genesis> (a perfectly regular form!)

In the same maner but a little more complex form can be explained forms such:

(4) vinc-ere 'win' ---------> vic-isse 'have won' (IE <*win(k)-> 'to win')
frang-ere 'break' -------> frac-tus 'broken' (IE <*bhreg-> 'to break', indeed English <break> < IE <*bhreg->).
(5) The irregularities in <esse>: <sum, es, est, sumus, estis, sunt> also are reflexes of the ancient flexion of
verbs <*som, *ess, *est, *somos, *este, *sont> the /e/ - /o/ alternances also can be seen in Englis series such
as <sing - sang - sung> from IE <senghw, songhw, snghw>.


Claudius Salix Davianus
Tribunus Plebis


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Explaining Latin Irregularities,
From:	"G. Noviodunus" <Gaius.Noviodunus@iseli.org>
Date:	Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:10:23 +0100

Cl. Salix Davianus wrote:
> Salvete Latinistae:
>
> Look at this extrange and umpredictable things:
>
> (1) nix 'snow (nom.)' -----------> nivis 'of the snow (gen.)'
> (2) vinc-ere 'win' ------------------> vic-isse 'have won'
> frang-ere 'break' -------------> frac-tus 'broken'
> (3) genus 'kind, class (nom.)' -------------> generis (gen.)
> corpus 'body (nom.) ' --------------------> corporis (gen.)
>

Gratias Daviane! Why not post it in [latinitas]?

Valete bene,

G. Noviodunus Ferriculus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Enthused about the Future :)
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 22 Mar 2002 03:47:02 -0500

On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 02:48:46AM -0800, L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:
>
> Is anyone intrested in helping to develope software to
> promote Nova Roma?
>
> Valete,
> L. Sicinius Drusus

Salvete,

If you do any Perl programming, check out the highly entertaining
"Lingua::Romana::Perligata" module by (if you know anything about Perl,
this is an "of course!") Damian Conway. Using it, you can write Perl code
*in Latin.* Well, Latin as adapted for programming. :)

Here's a sample program that prints all the primes up to an arbitrary
maximum (obviously, it requires you to have Lingua::Romana::Perligata.pm
installed on your system):

---------------------------------------------------------------------
#! /usr/local/bin/perl -w
use Lingua::Romana::Perligata;

maximum tum val inquementum tum biguttam tum stadium egresso scribe.
vestibulo perlegementum da meo maximo.
maximum tum novumversum egresso scribe.
da II tum maximum conscribementa meis listis.
dum damentum nexto listis decapitamentum fac sic
lista sic hoc tum nextum recidementum cis vannementa da listis.
next tum biguttam tum stadium tum nextum tum novumversum
scribe egresso.
cis
---------------------------------------------------------------------

<chuckle> Add the word "comementum" ("beautify"), and the output will be
in Roman numerals.


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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# English 'translation': "Just a NovaRoman Perl hacker" :)
perl -we'print map chr hex, unpack "a2" x 30,
"4a7573742061204e6f7661526f6d616e205065726c206861636b65720A"'

Subject:	[novaroma] Tax Milestone
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:47:11 -0000

Salvete Quirites,

Today the Republic reached another milestone! We received our 150th
tax payment.

The honorable payor was Aurelia Ambrosia Viatrix who recieves
absolutely nothing as a prize :-o - other than the gratitude of the
Republic (extended to all who were able and willing to contribute).

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Quaestor