| Subject: |
[novaroma] My Father |
| From: |
"Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato" <a.cato@sympatico.ca> |
| Date: |
Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:15:15 -0500 |
|
Salvete Omnes: I have had little time for Nova Roma over the past number of days, due to my father's illness. I have just been told that he has taken a turn for the worse, and may not make it through the night. He was a officer in the Canadian Army during the forties and fiftys, and he built an industrial advertising agency which he ran for thirty five years. My father raised three fine sons, and my mother has been his life long companion. He has many relatives throughout the United States and Canada.
My friends and honored colleagues, your prayers and offerings to the gods and goddesses of your choice would be greatly appreciated at this time.
Bene valete: Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
Senator, Nova Roma
Procurator, Provincia Canada Orientalis
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Enthused about the Future :) |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:12:19 -0500 |
|
On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 02:16:12PM -0300, Michel Loos wrote:
> Absolutely Great !
Yeah, I had lots of fun with it myself. :)
> On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 05:47, Caius Minucius Scaevola wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 02:48:46AM -0800, L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:
> > >
> > > Is anyone intrested in helping to develope software to
> > > promote Nova Roma?
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > #! /usr/local/bin/perl -w
> > use Lingua::Romana::Perligata;
> >
> > maximum tum val inquementum tum biguttam tum stadium egresso scribe.
> > vestibulo perlegementum da meo maximo.
> > maximum tum novumversum egresso scribe.
> > da II tum maximum conscribementa meis listis.
> > dum damentum nexto listis decapitamentum fac sic
> > lista sic hoc tum nextum recidementum cis vannementa da listis.
> > next tum biguttam tum stadium tum nextum tum novumversum
> > scribe egresso.
> > cis
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Missing English, well Perl translation:
>
> print "maximum: ";
> my $maxim = <>;
> my @list = (2..$maxim);
> while ($next = shift(@list)) {
> @list = grep {$_ % next} @list;
> print "next: $next \n";
> }
Ooops... very close, though:
> @list = grep {$_ % $next} @list;
^
I'm afraid it won't work without the sigil. Amusingly enough, since "next"
_is_ a Perl function, it won't error out, either.
> print "next:\t$next\n";
^^
("stadium" = "stride" = "tab")
I must say that I'm impressed, though; clearly, you're either already quite
familiar with Lingua::Romana::Perligata, or your grasp of Latin and Perl is
excellent; perhaps both.
<grin> I suppose I should have supplied an "English" translation myself.
"Any language other than English" includes computer languages as well. Now,
who is going to translate Perl into English? And would it make any sense to
people who don't speak "computer"? <laugh>
[ Warning: those without a sense of humor should not read the next line! ]
<flamebait> Is this the new "official computer language" of Nova Roma?</f>
Vale, omnes -
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Dubitando ad veritatem venimus.
-- Pierre Abelard, "Sic et non?"
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Egressus file... |
| From: |
"corvus_cassius_taurusis" <corvus_cassius_taurusis@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 02:38:39 -0000 |
|
A great many thanks. Hopefully we will be able to swell the ranks of
our cives by passing these out at our events.
--- In novaroma@y..., MarcusAudens@w... wrote:
> Master Corvus Cassius Taurusis;
>
> The address for the Egressus List is:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egressus
>
> In the files are a variety of fliers and posters to be used as
> information regarding Nova Roma. Any of these fliers or posters are
> suitable for the use that you have indicated, with reference to the
> document text.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
> Praefectus Fabrum -- Sodalitas Egressus -- Nova Roma
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Prayer for Senator Tullius' Father |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 03:46:27 -0000 |
|
Salvete Omnes:
As Canada Orientalis Provincia Propraetrix, and friend of Senator et
Procurator Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, I offer the following
prayer:
By Provincia Patrons Matrona Ceres, Bacchus, et Vulcan, and by all
whom we perceive as righteous and holy, I pray for divine blessing
upon the father of our Senator et Procurator. I further pray that
his family shall receive blessing and strength during this difficult
time.
I further augment Senator Cato's request for individual offerings and
prayers for the father of a citizen, Paterfamilias, Procurator,
Senator and good friend of this community.
Bene valete,
P. Cornelia Strabo
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Scriba and Century Points |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:19:28 -0500 |
|
Salvete cives et amici,
Recently I noticed that scriba are now be being awarded century points. I am
very happy to see this happening especially after the discussions that took
place over the summer on issues concerning appointed offices receiving
century points. These dedicated citizens who help other magistrates within
our community deserve these points because they work just as hard along side
many of those who are elected or appointed by the senate. I can definitely
say this about my Scriba Aedilis, Lucilla Cornelia Cinna. She has proven
very valuable in helping me to organise an upcoming festival. She, along
with many other scriba, definitely earn the extra V century points now being
awarded to them.
However, as happy as I am seeing scriba receive century points, I am curious
about other positions that are just as demanding as scriba yet do not
receive any century points. Currently, I am personally undecided on where to
draw the line on the awarding of century points to other smaller appointed
offices. I believe some positions that would fit into this category would
be procurator, legate, retiarus, and all other positions in officially
recognised Sodalitas.
It is obviously unrealistic to expect all of these positions to be awarded
century points, right? So where does one quit? Certainly procurators who
usually fill in for their propraetor deserve recognition along with the
scriba. Legates, are also important players in provincial affairs seeing
that many of them look after the affairs of portions of a province. The
current awarding of century points seems unbalanced. We just award those
citizens who hold an office called "scriba" and yet overlook those that do
just as much work and are called something else. Should the title make such
a big difference when all of theses jobs are so similar?
If we give century points to all popular provincial positions, then this
will of course continue to leave some citizens out. What do we do about the
more rare positions within provinces, like retiarus? Or how about those that
are not involved in politics, yet are invaluable because of the work they do
towards promoting Roman education and culture, the Sodalitas and their
organisers? Thus, awarding of century points is indeed an awkward situation.
Citizens of Nova Roma, I am both a legate and retiarus. Both are "scriba
like" jobs, but not quite the same thing. I receive no century points for
the work I do for my provincia and its web site. I am not upset with the way
it is. I am perfectly content to get no century points for this work. I am
honoured to be able to do the work I do, and that is what really counts to
me. I built my provincial web site only days after becoming a citizen. I was
not asked. I designed it and showed it to my province to see if they would
like it. I never had the thought of century points on my mind concerning
this work. Yet, I cannot help but be curious at the way century points are
being awarded to smaller appointed offices, and to me it seems hardly
consistent. I can see the difficulties that could arise from awarding
century points to these positions. The only issue I am certain of is that
right now we decide the awarding of century points based on the name of the
office, not on the work done within the office. It would be an improvement
to see this change.
Valete,
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: My Father |
| From: |
"radams36" <radams40@juno.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:40:23 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@y..., "Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato" <a.cato@s...>
wrote:
> Salvete Omnes: I have had little time for Nova Roma over the past
number of days, due to my father's illness. I have just been told
that he has taken a turn for the worse, and may not make it through
the night. He was a officer in the Canadian Army during the forties
and fiftys, and he built an industrial advertising agency which he
ran for thirty five years. My father raised three fine sons, and my
mother has been his life long companion. He has many relatives
throughout the United States and Canada.
> My friends and honored colleagues, your prayers and offerings
to the gods and goddesses of your choice would be greatly appreciated
at this time.
> Bene valete: Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
> Senator, Nova Roma
> Procurator, Provincia Canada Orientalis
>
Your father sounds like a fine gentleman of distinction, and I will
be happy to say a prayer for him and for you and your family in this
difficult time. I offer you my sympathies and best hopes.
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] My Father |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 11:47:39 +0100 |
|
Salve Illustrus Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato!
I'll keep your father and your whole family in my thoughts and
prayers. May the Gods protect You all!
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Scriba and Century Points |
| From: |
MarcusAudens@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 11:56:55 -0500 (EST) |
|
Master Amulius Claudius Petrus;
Sir, your comments regarding Century Points was well stated, in my
opinion. The matter of century points for those who serve the Republic
in positions of responsibility such as Legates, and Senior Staff in the
recognized Sodalitas' of Nova Roma has been discussed at length before
several times on this list. It has been my privaledge to bring before
the Citizens of the Republic in the past such a proposal, unfortunately
in my view without ay further significant action.
However, the matter of Century Points depends in my view not only on the
position held by a citizen, but also in the effort put forth in that
position held. Herein, again in my opinion is the key to the matter.
Being appointed to a position, in my view, is only the beginning. The
determintion of the task, and the carrying out of that task to the
satisfaction of the leader of that organization over a given period of
time is the real test of worth for any holder of a position in the
Republic. I have appointed several people to various positions in my
Province and Sodalitus; only to have them drift away after a short time
for a variety of reasons. These people, while still holding that
position, because they have not bothered to resign or let thier leader
know of a changing situation in thier lives, in my opinion do not
deserve consideration for Century Point Award.
Having said that how can we separate those who hold a position and do
little or nothing, and those who work continuously to better Nova Roma
through thier efforts? In anwer to my own question, I would first
propose that the current scheule of century points be posted here on the
Main List, or in some place well identified and easily accessed. In
discussing the actvity of those holding such positions as indicated
above, only the ProPraetors and Sodalitas Leaders really know who has
done thier given tasks well and who has not. They, then, are the ones
who should be tasked to determine the worth of those who hold positions
at thier pleasure. I would therefore propose the following idea:
That a point spread be considered for offices such as Legates, Sodalitas
Senior Staff, Scribae, and perhaps other positions as indicated that
rate equally to them in responsibility. Let us say just for discussion
purposes, a point spread of one to five. Given that point spread, it
would then incumbent upon each ProConsul, ProPraetor, Praetor and Senate
Approved Sodalitas Leader to make an Annual Report of the Officers
within his / her area of assignment / responsibility to the Consuls for
thiier review / approval and then to the keeper of the Century Point Log
for application. For those Sodalitas / Provincial Officers who find
that the leader of thier Sodalitas / Province has not done the above
task, they may appeal to the Senate Respondorum to review thier Century
Point Application and lay such before the Consuls for thier
consideration.
Using the above outline as a basis, I would then expect someone who is
interested in such a feature to put the whole into a formal proposal.
When that proposal is formatted, I would be willing to lay such before
the Consuls to consider for the next Senate voting agenda.
Respectfully
Marcus Minucius Audens
Senator et Senate Respondorum
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Scriba and Century Points |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:19:57 +0100 |
|
Salve dear Colleague!
I share your concern about the number of century points that citizens
receive for their hard work for the Res Publica at the moment. I have
quite a few assistants who doesn't get century points because they
are Legati or of Legati rank. This seems to be unfair as in my
thoughts a Legatus is a higher ranking official than a Scriba (see my
Edictum about ranks in Provincia Thule).
Still there has been rumors for some time that a reform of this
system is planned. I know for sure that the Junior Consul and some of
his assistants has taken interest in this issue and I expect that
this soon will take the shape of a proposal for a lex.
So I'll wait as I am sure that the unfairness of in many other ways
fair system shall be corrected soon.
>Salvete cives et amici,
>
>Recently I noticed that scriba are now be being awarded century points. I am
>very happy to see this happening especially after the discussions that took
>place over the summer on issues concerning appointed offices receiving
>century points. These dedicated citizens who help other magistrates within
>our community deserve these points because they work just as hard along side
>many of those who are elected or appointed by the senate. I can definitely
>say this about my Scriba Aedilis, Lucilla Cornelia Cinna. She has proven
>very valuable in helping me to organise an upcoming festival. She, along
>with many other scriba, definitely earn the extra V century points now being
>awarded to them.
>
>However, as happy as I am seeing scriba receive century points, I am curious
>about other positions that are just as demanding as scriba yet do not
>receive any century points. Currently, I am personally undecided on where to
>draw the line on the awarding of century points to other smaller appointed
>offices. I believe some positions that would fit into this category would
>be procurator, legate, retiarus, and all other positions in officially
>recognised Sodalitas.
>
>It is obviously unrealistic to expect all of these positions to be awarded
>century points, right? So where does one quit? Certainly procurators who
>usually fill in for their propraetor deserve recognition along with the
>scriba. Legates, are also important players in provincial affairs seeing
>that many of them look after the affairs of portions of a province. The
>current awarding of century points seems unbalanced. We just award those
>citizens who hold an office called "scriba" and yet overlook those that do
>just as much work and are called something else. Should the title make such
>a big difference when all of theses jobs are so similar?
>
>If we give century points to all popular provincial positions, then this
>will of course continue to leave some citizens out. What do we do about the
>more rare positions within provinces, like retiarus? Or how about those that
>are not involved in politics, yet are invaluable because of the work they do
>towards promoting Roman education and culture, the Sodalitas and their
>organisers? Thus, awarding of century points is indeed an awkward situation.
>
>Citizens of Nova Roma, I am both a legate and retiarus. Both are "scriba
>like" jobs, but not quite the same thing. I receive no century points for
>the work I do for my provincia and its web site. I am not upset with the way
>it is. I am perfectly content to get no century points for this work. I am
>honoured to be able to do the work I do, and that is what really counts to
>me. I built my provincial web site only days after becoming a citizen. I was
>not asked. I designed it and showed it to my province to see if they would
>like it. I never had the thought of century points on my mind concerning
>this work. Yet, I cannot help but be curious at the way century points are
>being awarded to smaller appointed offices, and to me it seems hardly
>consistent. I can see the difficulties that could arise from awarding
>century points to these positions. The only issue I am certain of is that
>right now we decide the awarding of century points based on the name of the
>office, not on the work done within the office. It would be an improvement
>to see this change.
>
>Valete,
>
>--
>Amulius Claudius Petrus
>Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
>Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
>Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
>Canada Orientalis Provincia
>
>Canada Orientalis Website:
>www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
>
>Gens Claudia Website:
>www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
>--
>
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Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] My Father |
| From: |
MarcusAudens@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:05:41 -0500 (EST) |
|
Honored Senate Colleague Cato;
I am sorry to hear the report of your father's illness. I am, however,
privaledged to honor your request, and to include him in my prayers, and
I hope that his presnt illness wll resolve itself satisfactorily.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] (unknown) |
| From: |
MarcusAudens@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:22:27 -0500 (EST) |
|
Mistress Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus;
I have read your recent interesting essay regarding the Punic Wars. I
would like to offer you membership in the Sodaltas Militarium, if you
are not already a member. If you are a member, I would like to have
your permission to put your essay on the Militarium List, and offer such
to the Editor of the Militarium's "Piilum" for the next issue.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Praefectus Castorum -- Sodalitas Miitarium -- Nova Roma
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] R: [Nova Roma Flyers |
| From: |
MarcusAudens@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:31:43 -0500 (EST) |
|
Propraetor F.A. Caesar;
As I have indicated previously on this list, the fliers and
advertisements for Nova Roma can be found in the files of the Sodalitas
Egressus
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egressus
Respectfully,
Marcus Minucius Audens
Praefectus Fabrum -- Sodalitas Egressus -- Nova Roma
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Scriba and Century Points |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:16:36 -0300 (ART) |
|
Salvete
--- Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
escreveu: >
> Salvete cives et amici,
>
> Recently I noticed that scriba are now be being
> awarded century points. I am
> very happy to see this happening especially after
> the discussions that took
> place over the summer on issues concerning appointed
> offices receiving
> century points. These dedicated citizens who help
> other magistrates within
> our community deserve these points because they work
> just as hard along side
> many of those who are elected or appointed by the
> senate. I can definitely
> say this about my Scriba Aedilis, Lucilla Cornelia
> Cinna. She has proven
> very valuable in helping me to organise an upcoming
> festival. She, along
> with many other scriba, definitely earn the extra V
> century points now being
> awarded to them.
MAIOR: Salve Amulius Claudius. Thank you for your
interest! I believe that a discussion in this will
improve our current system of Century Points.
Currently i and my colleague censorial scribe, Decimus
Iunius Silanus, are in charge on the update of century
points.
The Leges Vedia Centuriata and Vedia Apparitoria, of
july 2752, states that the scribes shall be awarded
with 5 CPs; but only in the end of the last year all
the scribes were "mapped". Since last november, the
scribes and other positions are updated in the
AlbumCivium.
> However, as happy as I am seeing scriba receive
> century points, I am curious
> about other positions that are just as demanding as
> scriba yet do not
> receive any century points. Currently, I am
> personally undecided on where to
> draw the line on the awarding of century points to
> other smaller appointed
> offices. I believe some positions that would fit
> into this category would
> be procurator, legate, retiarus, and all other
> positions in officially
> recognised Sodalitas.
MAIOR: I believe that all official positions in Nova
Roma need to be awarded with CPs, according to their
importance, the ammount to the work needed, and as
reward to estimulate the growth of Nova Roma.
But the laws that distribute the CPs are obsolete; i
believe that the positions of Retiarius, Procurator
and the various Sodalitates of Nova Roma were created
after that leges (and the position of Legatus was
forgotten(!)) ; and a new Lex is needed.
> It is obviously unrealistic to expect all of these
> positions to be awarded
> century points, right? So where does one quit?
> Certainly procurators who
> usually fill in for their propraetor deserve
> recognition along with the
> scriba. Legates, are also important players in
> provincial affairs seeing
> that many of them look after the affairs of portions
> of a province. The
> current awarding of century points seems unbalanced.
> We just award those
> citizens who hold an office called "scriba" and yet
> overlook those that do
> just as much work and are called something else.
> Should the title make such
> a big difference when all of theses jobs are so
> similar?
MAIOR: You is right, the effort to the better of Nova
Roma needs to be awarded. But the distribution of CPs
are defined by law, and the law needs to be specific.
It can be solved only with a new law.
> If we give century points to all popular provincial
> positions, then this
> will of course continue to leave some citizens out.
> What do we do about the
> more rare positions within provinces, like retiarus?
> Or how about those that
> are not involved in politics, yet are invaluable
> because of the work they do
> towards promoting Roman education and culture, the
> Sodalitas and their
> organisers? Thus, awarding of century points is
> indeed an awkward situation.
>
> Citizens of Nova Roma, I am both a legate and
> retiarus. Both are "scriba
> like" jobs, but not quite the same thing. I receive
> no century points for
> the work I do for my provincia and its web site. I
> am not upset with the way
> it is. I am perfectly content to get no century
> points for this work. I am
> honoured to be able to do the work I do, and that is
> what really counts to
> me. I built my provincial web site only days after
> becoming a citizen. I was
> not asked. I designed it and showed it to my
> province to see if they would
> like it. I never had the thought of century points
> on my mind concerning
> this work. Yet, I cannot help but be curious at the
> way century points are
> being awarded to smaller appointed offices, and to
> me it seems hardly
> consistent. I can see the difficulties that could
> arise from awarding
> century points to these positions. The only issue I
> am certain of is that
> right now we decide the awarding of century points
> based on the name of the
> office, not on the work done within the office. It
> would be an improvement
> to see this change.
MAIOR: My compliments,Amulius Claudius, forputting
their commitment for Nova Roma ahead and above every
award that you should receive. But we can and need to
reward everyone so commited to Nova Roma (well, the
CPs reward doesnt cost that much for NR!)
Currently, Consul Sulla and their staff are working in
a new Lex,that will reform the system of Century
Points. According to a draft, the new lex will be more
complet, including the magistrates, sacerdos,scribes,
the orders (Patricians,plebeians, equites); and also
all the provincial officers, founders and members of
official Sodalitates, and CPs, for new cives
recruited, to the paterfamiliares.
> Valete,
> --
> Amulius Claudius Petrus
> Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
> Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
> Canada Orientalis Provincia
Vale
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Re: [novaroma] (unknown) |
| From: |
Patricius Iulianus <pviulianus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:44:55 -0800 (PST) |
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--- MarcusAudens@webtv.net wrote:
> Mistress Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus;
>
> I have read your recent interesting essay regarding
> the Punic Wars. I
> would like to offer you membership in the Sodaltas
> Militarium, if you
> are not already a member. If you are a member, I
> would like to have
> your permission to put your essay on the Militarium
> List, and offer such
> to the Editor of the Militarium's "Piilum" for the
> next issue.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
> Praefectus Castorum -- Sodalitas Miitarium -- Nova
> Roma
>
>
Salve Marci Municii Audens,Praefecti Castrorum!
With you yourself finding it appropriate, I would be
quite happy to become a member of the sodalitas
militarium. I would also be privliged to have my work
feautured in the "Pilum", once I am in the sodalitas,
of course. Thank you very much for both your offers.
However, please do not refer to me in "mistress" in
the future, I am a male, and prefer to be refered to
in the masculine gender :).
Vale optime! :->!
Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus,
Civis Novae Romae.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Scriba and Century Points |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:37:34 -0500 |
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Salve, Senator Marcus Minucius Audens:
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 11:56:55AM -0500, MarcusAudens@webtv.net wrote:
>
> However, the matter of Century Points depends in my view not only on the
> position held by a citizen, but also in the effort put forth in that
> position held. Herein, again in my opinion is the key to the matter.
> Being appointed to a position, in my view, is only the beginning. The
> determintion of the task, and the carrying out of that task to the
> satisfaction of the leader of that organization over a given period of
> time is the real test of worth for any holder of a position in the
> Republic. I have appointed several people to various positions in my
> Province and Sodalitus; only to have them drift away after a short time
> for a variety of reasons. These people, while still holding that
> position, because they have not bothered to resign or let thier leader
> know of a changing situation in thier lives, in my opinion do not
> deserve consideration for Century Point Award.
Actually, I believe that we already have a mental model with which we are
all familiar that would suit this situation - perhaps with a few small
modifications. Odd as it may sound, _employment_ and _commission sales_
would not be unreasonable templates to apply.
In order to be "paid" over and above the standard "basic income" that every
citizen receives, one may apply for "employment" - as Scriba, etc. Once
employed, they are paid "commissions" on work they accomplish. Clearly,
there would have to be safeguards in place - a maximum number of points
that may be allocated by any individual, etc. True, we're talking about
an entire system - but I believe that without a system of *some* sort, no
fair distribution is possible, especially as NR grows in size. To take a
step back, this is one of the major reasons we humans _have_ hierarchies:
the results of effort and production move from lower levels to higher ones;
distribution (and thus control) are passed from the top down. I suggest
that we simply make use of the system that is already in place.
It *does* mean more responsibility for those in the higher positions, of
course; I suspect that they will have to deal with requests for raises
and bonuses as part of their jobs... :)
> Having said that how can we separate those who hold a position and do
> little or nothing, and those who work continuously to better Nova Roma
> through thier efforts? In anwer to my own question, I would first
> propose that the current scheule of century points be posted here on the
> Main List, or in some place well identified and easily accessed. In
> discussing the actvity of those holding such positions as indicated
> above, only the ProPraetors and Sodalitas Leaders really know who has
> done thier given tasks well and who has not. They, then, are the ones
> who should be tasked to determine the worth of those who hold positions
> at thier pleasure. I would therefore propose the following idea:
>
> That a point spread be considered for offices such as Legates, Sodalitas
> Senior Staff, Scribae, and perhaps other positions as indicated that
> rate equally to them in responsibility. Let us say just for discussion
> purposes, a point spread of one to five. Given that point spread, it
> would then incumbent upon each ProConsul, ProPraetor, Praetor and Senate
> Approved Sodalitas Leader to make an Annual Report of the Officers
> within his / her area of assignment / responsibility to the Consuls for
> thiier review / approval and then to the keeper of the Century Point Log
> for application. For those Sodalitas / Provincial Officers who find
> that the leader of thier Sodalitas / Province has not done the above
> task, they may appeal to the Senate Respondorum to review thier Century
> Point Application and lay such before the Consuls for thier
> consideration.
Hmm. To follow the above model, this would be something like a "lump
payment with a non-performance clause". Sure, that's another possibility. I
believe, though, that my first suggestion - along with the idea of posting
the current schedule of century points - would be a positive motivator
("Hey, if I do this, I'll get some points!") rather than a negative one
("Uh-oh; I'd better do this if I don't want to lose the points I'm owed.")
Yet another possibility might be something like "commission sales with a
minimum wage", where a small number of points would be assigned
automatically to anyone who takes a "job" and keeps it for a given period
of time. This, of course, imposes the responsibility of "firing the
deadwood" on the ProPraetors, etc.
> Using the above outline as a basis, I would then expect someone who is
> interested in such a feature to put the whole into a formal proposal.
> When that proposal is formatted, I would be willing to lay such before
> the Consuls to consider for the next Senate voting agenda.
Well... I would be willing to write something like this up, but I have no
idea of what the format of a formal proposal for a Lex in NR would look
like (I suspect that it is not to be found in Standard and Poor's "business
formats", nor the accepted scientific paper submission standards.) Perhaps
a cooperative venture?... Senator, I would be proud to co-author this with
you, and perhaps hammer out good compromises in any places where our
opinions diverge (I don't think there will be many.) Feel free to contact
me at "ben*AT*callahans.org" (the "From:" address here is mostly a spam
collector which I check for real mail only occasionally.)
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Mea mihi conscientia pluris est quam omnium sermo.
-- Cicero, "Epistulae ad Atticum"
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Edictum V Provincia Venedia |
| From: |
"rabotnik @" <rabotnik@wp.pl> |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:28:54 +0100 |
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EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM VENEDORUM V About appointment of Scribe
Propraetoris
Ex Officio Propraetoris Venediae
1....I hereby appoint Aulus Domitianus Cato as my Scriba
Propraetoris
2.....This edictum becoms effective immediately
Given on March 24th in the year of the consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus
and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, 2755 AUC.
Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus
Propraetor Venediae
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EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM VENEDORUM V Dotyczacy powolania Scribe
Propraetoris
Ex Officio Propraetoris Venediae
1....Powoluje Aulusa Domitianusa Cato na mojego Scriba
(Sekretarz) Propraetoris
2.....Edykt ten ma skutek natychmiastowy
Wydany 24 Marca w roku konsularnym Marcusa Octaviusa Germanicusa
i Luciusa Corneliusa Sulli Felixa, 2755 AUC
Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus
Propraetor Venediae
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Scriba and Century Points |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:33:59 -0500 |
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Salvete Senator Marcus Minucius Audens et cives,
>Marcus Minucius Audens at MarcusAudens@webtv.net wrote:
>
> However, the matter of Century Points depends in my view not only on the
> position held by a citizen, but also in the effort put forth in that
> position held. Herein, again in my opinion is the key to the matter.
> Being appointed to a position, in my view, is only the beginning. The
> determintion of the task, and the carrying out of that task to the
> satisfaction of the leader of that organization over a given period of
> time is the real test of worth for any holder of a position in the
> Republic. I have appointed several people to various positions in my
> Province and Sodalitus; only to have them drift away after a short time
> for a variety of reasons. These people, while still holding that
> position, because they have not bothered to resign or let thier leader
> know of a changing situation in thier lives, in my opinion do not
> deserve consideration for Century Point Award.
I find the proposals made recently about the issue of effort and century
points quite interesting. Yet, to me it seems as if these proposals may be
more than what is really needed. The awarding of century points should be a
simple matter. It should not create a significant amount of additional work
for the censors or consuls.
If a magistrate has a member of staff that is not performing to his
expectations even after a warning, why should he have to put up with this
citizen? Being a magistrate myself with a scriba I would definitely not be
carrying around a small army of inactive staff members for long periods of
time. I would thank them for the work they did do and let them go.
The higher magistrates have the power to appoint the majority of these
offices, therefore they can also take away an appointed position and assign
it to another more dedicated citizen. Would it not be easier to leave it up
to the magistrates in these offices to decide who should be getting century
points and holding an important position? The positions one holds on a staff
should be up to the magistrate directly in charge of appointing these
positions.
All that is needed is an expansion on the current lex governing the amounts
of century points being awarded. The offices that I would like to see added
first would be procurator and legate. The amount of points awarded to these
offices should be up to the senate, although I do believe they should keep
the following things in mind when choosing the appropriate amount to be
awarded.
1) Legates are considered a higher and more demanding position in most
provinces and because of this should be awarded more than a scriba. (Maybe
around 7 points?)
2) Procurators are considered a higher and more demanding position than
legates in most provinces and because of this they should be awarded more
than a legate. (Maybe around 8 points?)
Personally, I feel as if a scriba propraetoris and the scriba that serve
elected magistrates are two slightly different jobs because of the
differences in demands. Thus, they deserve slightly different amounts in
century points. I am curious to read if any other citizens share this point
of view.
If other citizen do share this feeling,0 maybe we should look at creating
different century point amounts for all types of scriba. Certainly the
scriba that serve the consuls have a challenging job. Should this censorial
scriba be a separate position with separate awards? This could easily get
complicated, although I can see how it could make for a fairer system.
There are also many additional benefits of improving the century point lex.
If we are to define legates, procurators and retarius in the century point
lex we will create a standard "rank" system for all provinces. This would
make the administration of the provinces much more consistent across the
whole republic. I am sure many provinces would be interested in seeing this
take place. We could kill two birds with one stone. =)
Valete,
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
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