Subject:	[novaroma] OPENING OF CERIALIA ART CONTEST MMDCCLV A.U.C.
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:28:35 -0500

Salvete cives et amici,

Next month we shall be celebrating the Cereialia. As a curile aedile of Nova
Roma my duty is to provide you an enjoyable and fulfilling celebration. Part
of this celebration will be an art contest dedicated to the goddess Ceres.
To prepare for the festivities to come I ask those citizens with artistic
talents or ambitions to come forward and submit images that can be related
to Ceres and the rebirth of the land during spring.

Me and my scriba have worked quite hard to provide this activity and we hope
that the populace will work at making this a success. To aide you in the
creation of your images I will provide you the following information on the
Cereialia in hopes that it will inspire you.


INFORMATION ON CERIALIA CELEBRATION

This was a celebration that took place both in the city of Rome and in the
surrounding countryside. The whole celebration lasted 8 days starting on the
12th of April. Testimonies mention that the festival was a particular
plebeian festival, but not exclusively plebeian. Patrician and noble
plebeian gentes usually took part by leading a procession to the temple of
Ceres on the last day of the celebration. The observance of the religious
rituals of the Cerialia included the offering of wheat, grasses, or salt to
Ceres. It was also a custom to light torches during the Cerialia as a symbol
of when Ceres went into the underworld in search of Proserpina and lit two
pine trees on fire to provide light during her search. All of these
offerings are done in order to receive the blessing of Ceres before the
start of the new season while the fields were still being prepared for the
sowing of seeds.

During the festival it was popular to wear white clothing and wrathes of
ears on ones head as a way of honouring Ceres. Women were also obliged not
to have any sexual intercourse within 9 days before the last day of the
festival, this means the period of ritual chastity for women taking part in
this ceremony begins April 10th, 2 days before the introduction of the
Cerialia.

The last day of the Cerialia was when the actual games took place. Ovid
tells of us that these games always took place in the Circus Maxiumus.
During these games the most important event was the letting lose of foxes
that had lit torches tied to their tails. The burning of the foxes may have
been done in order to punish the various races of vermin who destroy the
crops. Although, according to some the interpretation of the fox ritual is
highly dubious. Some scholars think Ovid actually invented this "old rite",
others think it is a rite to "scare away the heat of the sun". Ovid's
testimony can also be read that foxes were dragging burning torches through
the circus without being killed. This last interpretation seems the most
reasonable.


HOW TO SEND IN YOUR WORK

Send all images via email to Curule Aedile Amulius Claudius Petrus at:

pkkt@bconnex.net

Please write the subject name as ³CERIALIA ART CONTEST 2755 A.U.C.² in
capitals.


CERIALIA ART CONTEST MMDCCLV A.U.C. RULES AND REGULATIONS

- This contest is organised by the Junior Curule Aedile of Nova Roma Amulius
Claudius Petrus, with assistance from his scribe. Entry in the contest is
available to all citizens of Nova Roma except those citizens who are
directly involved in the planning or judging of the contest.

- The assignment of the contest is to submit a picture that can is related
to Ceres and the Cerialia celebration. All images are to be done in a form
of a dedication to Ceres or the start of the growing season.

- Only one entry per citizen is permitted. The types of images accepted are,
photos, drawings, paintings, and computer generations. If you want to submit
an image or a different sort please ask Curule Aedile Amulius Claudius
Petrus before submitting at pkkt@bconnex.net. All images must be sent as a
.jpg, .gif, or .bmp. If image is saved in any other format it will not be
opened.

- Submissions must be accompanied by ones Nova Roma name, legal name, and
province.

- All submissions must be received by April 16 2755 A.U.C..

- Send all images via email to Curule Aedile Amulius Claudius Petrus at
pkkt@bconnex.net. Please write the subject name as ³CERIALIA ART CONTEST
2755 A.U.C.² in capitals.

- All entries will be judged by a team chosen by Curule Aedile Amulius
Claudius Petrus. This team is made up by:

Junior Curule Aedile and Director of Cerialia 2755
Amulius Claudius Petrus

Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

Senior Aedile Plebis
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix

Junior Aedile Plebis
Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus

Pontifex Maximus
Marcus Cassius Julianus

Senior Consul
Marcus Octavius Germanicus

Junior Consul
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Scriba for Junior Curule Aedile
Lucilla Cornelia Cinna

- Work will be judged on:
Originality (10%)
Cerialia theme (40%)
Roman theme (30%)
Quality and message (20%)

- By submitting work you give Nova Roma permission to present it publicly on
the internet.

- All work must be your own, if your work is found not to be your own you
will be disqualified from all other events held by Curule Aedile Amulius
Claudius Petrus. A report will also be submitted to the other aediles of
Nova Roma concerning the possibility of suspension from all ludi
celebrations held in 2755 AUC.

- Winner of contest will be announced publicly on all major lists and at
NovaRoma.org on April 19 2755 A.U.C..

I look forward to viewing the excellent work provided by the participates.

Valete,

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

Subject:	[novaroma] Incorporation
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:59:08 -0800 (PST)

Salvete,

The primary advantage of Incorporation is it creates a
legal entity that has many of the rights that an
indiviual has. If we didn't have Nova Roma Inc, then
things like our flag (A Trademark) and our domain
(Novaroma.org) would have to be owned by an indiviual
member of Nova Roma. Given the recent departure of one
of our founders the consequances of having any
indiviual owning key parts of Nova Roma's assets
should be apparent.

Without the legal entity Nova Roma Inc, the only way
we could ever have a forum is to trust one of our
citizens to hold it for us in his name. Somebody has
to assume ownership of these assets, and we are
protected by vesting ownership in a legal entity
rather than an indiviual.

Manius Villius bought up the free software movement as
an example of non incorparated organizations. The
founder of the Free software movement is Richard
Stallman who founded the Free Software Foundation, a
US based Nonprofit corpration. Without the FSF there
wouldn't be a legal entity to hold the GNU copyrights
that are the core of the Free Software movement.

Compare this to the non corparate model of Linux.
Since there isn't a Linux inc, the trademark "Linux"
is owned by Linus Torvalds. At any time Mr Torvalds
could withdraw permission to use the term Linux from
any venders. Allthough Mr Torvalds is unlikely to do
so if anything happened to him, the trademark would
belong to his hiers, and they could do as they wished
with it. A Nonprofit Linux inc would remove this
danger.

A Legal entity can assume debt, something that we may
have do do in the future as part of owning real
properity. Without a legal enitity one of our citizens
would have to take a loan in his name before we could
assume any debts.

Incorporation also provides legal protection to Nova
Roma's Officers and Directors (Magistrates and
Senators). Without the legal entity they would be
personally liable for any actions they undertook and
thier personal properity could be siezed in a lawsuit
based on their actions. It also protects the indiviual
citizens by releaving them of the danger of being
found "jointly and severally responsible" which means
that a lawsuit could be filed against any member of
Nova Roma for FULL damages caused by an action.

Forgoing Incorporation will not allow us to evade any
US laws. I'll use Linux as an example again. The lack
of corparate status did not prevent Linux from falling
under US laws regarding Encryption, and for years
Encryption could not be offered in the Linux kernal
because of US Export laws.

Untill such time as Nova Roma's sovernighty is
recognized being a Non profit corpration does far more
to help Nova Roma than it does to hinder us.

Right Now US Citizens enjoy the protections that
incorparation provides. Thanks to the NAFTA treaty
Canadian citizens can claim many of the protections
that US citizens have. We need to extend this
protection to the Citizens who live outside North
America by Incorparating in other areas of the world.
The First place we need to do this is in the EU,
because this will extend corparate protection to the
largest number of citizens possible with a single
incorparation. After we get the EU take care of we
need to insure that ALL provinces are under full
Corparate protection.

L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: List Language Policy
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:11:56 -0500 (EST)

M.V. Limitanus;

I would not be concerned were your birth parentage to be Martian.
Since you live in Brazil, the you are considered for the purposes of
this list to be Brazilian, and to my mind and knowdege of those gentle
soft -spoken people, most unfortunate. The only condition I would
attach to that, is that I am informed by those who know better than I,
is that native Brazilians are taught from childhood to be polite.

If in fact you don't care about U.S. laws that's just great. Then stop
your criticism of them. If you would like the U.S. Citizens to keep
thie laws, fear not, we will---stop criticizing them. In fact, I very
strongly request that considering your inability to treat my nation with
respect, that you refrain from all mention of my country, and any other
country for whom you are unable to show a proper amity.

It seems to me that your arguments are idealistic in nature with little
or no consideration to practicality. If such is your intent then you
should say such, and save everyone a lot of grief.

You have been told ad nauseum why Nova Roma came to be in the country of
it's birth. You know that an infant political entity such as Nova Roma,
with no geographical considerations to call it's own, must exist within
the confines of another physical / political entity, and obey the laws
of that entity until it is strong enough and has enough political and
military clout to exist on it's own. We are growing towards that in
numbers, financial stability, and a specific legal system. There have
been setbacks, of course, as there are in any story of development, but
we are stronger, and more vibrant each and every year. however after
four years we haven't made it yet. ven Frace took more than four years
to develop properly into a significant nation and it had the privaledge
of having a geographical area to call it's own.

The ideal of the nation is that we must have a communication medium
which is understood by all. The practicaity of the situation is that
English is the current commercal and diplomatic language of the world
today just as Greek and Latin were thousands of years ago. Therefore,
the practicality is that we use English as a commercial and diplomatic
medium, and the Citizens of Noma Roma have agreed to this by law.

To supplement this situation and to approach more closely to the ideal
situation which we all want, we have said that anyone may post to the
Main List in thier native language with an English translation. We have
maintained a List Moderation activity to protect against proven
violators of decency and polite discussion, including yourself.
Additionally, we have agreed to have dfferent lists devoted to different
languages so that citizens may discuss items in thier native languages.
We have initiated a call for translators so as to have people available
for the necessary translations. We have explored the various universal
translator offerings on the web, ad found them to be while not logether
perfect at least they are of some assistance in getting a message
across, and we have supported endless discussion on how we can further
assist in this imperfect solution, since we have not yet reached to
technical level needed for an accurate universal translator. All this
we have accomplished and yet you are not in the least bit appreciative
or apparently happy at all with the advances we have made, in that your
voice becomes more and more strident with each passing day against
various citizen's nations and more and more personally insulting, and
aggravating.

For all this effort you among a few others will not appreciate the
effort, will demand the immediate ideal situation regardless of the cost
and attack the elected and appointed leaders of the Republic that you
claim to rever for thier failure to give you personally what you want
within the immediacy that you require it.

Under no circumstances do I consider such behavior intelligent,
constructive, nor indicative of a genuine desire to move Nova Roma along
according to those goals of which you approvd when you were accepted as
a Citizen. You are just one of a long list of demagogues who has taken
the whole microntion to task for not knuckling under to your personal
demands, and using insulting and severely damaging language and
attitudes towards this Republic to gain your own selfish ends.
immediately and with little or no concerns for the desires, talents,
skills, or consideration of others.

I will no longer consider your demands to be other than demogogue
rantings, until such time as you are able to work with our Senate and
Magistrates in amity. Any futher insults and snide remarks about my
country or other citizens countries will be immdiately followed by my
strong request to the Moderator to shut off your involvement on this
list until such time as you may be able to force yourself to return to a
Civil intercourse with the Citizens of this Republic.

Further, I call upon the Citizens of Nova Roma to support thier Republic
actively and with polite discussion. With appreciation for what has
been done, and what will be done with polite intelligent requests
instead of strident insulting demands. Please show the world that we
have no sympathy for ranting demagogues, but that we have every kind of
support for quiet reasonable discussion and calm detrmined hard work to
advance our dream.

Respectfully (to the Citizens of NR--not to demagogues);

Marcus Minucius Audens

Subject:	[novaroma] On the List Language Policy and imperium for its curator...
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:06:03 EST

In a message dated 3/27/02 3:06:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, shinjikun@s
hinjikun.com writes:
> To Manius Villius Limitanus I would inquire where this unceasing
> hostility towards the United Sates stems from. Referring to the United
> States (even by implication) as "oppressive country" is utterly
> ridiculous

Salvete.
To call the citizen Villius a Brazilian is not correct. If I remember
correctly he was of French nationality, sent to work in Brazil. Therefore he
is not of Portuguese descent but Gallic or Germanic. Judge not the attitude
of Villius as typical of Brazil.
As for the rest of the list policies.
Cornelia raises a good point when she makes a statement of from where she
draws her imperium as curator of our list.
Our list acts as our forum, the place were Romans gathered to do business,
gossip
and hear governmental announcements. Such a place was considered part of the
cura urbis, which means care for the make up of the city and what went on in
it. Even though our city is virtual it is still our city and this duties,
including cleaning the streets of Rome, maintaining public order in cult
practices, overseeing the water supply, and the marketplace fall to the
office of the Aediles.
In fact our constitution gives the Aediles the authority to maintain
buildings and to keep order in public gatherings. These would include
preventing riots.

Now while our forum is virtual it is still our forum and rather then having
the city cohortes available to squelch virtual riots instead we have one
person and rather then short swords and pilia, that person is armed with
sanctions.
These sanctions are to keep the "riots" and dissident noise to a minimum, and
since Senator Cassia took over they have accomplished just that. Vedia and
Cornelia also kept uproars to a minimum. I would say the system is working.
Rather then the Aediles referring any cases to the quaestio, which are not
set up to be permanent, the curator has a menu of things that may done
authority to implement such drawn from the imperium of Curule and Plebeian
Aediles.
About Nova Roma's language policy?
When the old republic expanded to the markets of the East, they discovered
that bulk of the larger populace spoke Greek. This populace was larger then
Rome, so
Roman traders were forced to learn Greek. In the East as Rome grew, Greek
was never displaced, Latin was the language of government, law and ceremony.
Greek remained the language of commerce.
So now in Nova Roma, Latin is our language of government, law and ceremony,
while English has displaced Greek as our language of commerce. Since 75% of
the world's population speak it, it makes perfect sense. And even if all of
us become perfecient in Latin, we will still need English to communicate with
the rest of the world. As for translaters, there is need to make sense of
foreign languages. Hence the request that all non-English comments be
translated into English.

There is nothing sinister about the English use on our list. It is the equal
of the use of old Greek in the old Republic. It is the language of our
"commerce."

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[novaroma] attn. argentinos / argentinians
From:	"luciuspompeius" <danielovi@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:54:05 -0000

Salvete omnes
Les recuerdo que el URL de la lista provincial argentina es :
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina/ , y el del sitio
provincial es : http://argentina.novaroma.org . Están todos invitados
a participar (en castellano).
Valete bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provincialis Argentinæ


Salvete omnes
I remind you that the provincial mailing list of Argentina is located
at :
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina/ and the provincial
website at :
http://argentina.novaroma.org . Everyone is invited to participate
(in spanish)
Valete bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provincialis Argentinæ

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: List Language Policy
From:	"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:49:20 -0800

Salvete Omnes,

Concerning the list moderators lack of imperium, could the Senate appoint an
internet Propraetor in place of the current Curratrix Sermonis, thereby
eliminating any need to modify the Constitution to give the list moderator
Imperium?

Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
(This is an unofficial post for which I assume full responsibility)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
procopious@home.com
ICQ# 83516618
*America Boreoccidentalis Mail List
http://www.egroups.com/group/AmBor_Waves
* The Gens Mauricia
http://www.geocities.com/procopious

Nam ex parente meo et ex aliis sanctis viris ita accepi munditias mulieribus
laborem viris convenire omnibusque bonis oportere plus gloriae quam
divitiarum esse.
I have learned from my father and other holy men that women are suited to
elegance, while men to work; and that all good people should have more glory
than wealth.
Sallustius Crispus quoting Marius

Subject:	[novaroma] To all US citizens (List Language policy)
From:	Duhacek Jozef <jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:21:38 +0100

Salvete

Aside of our Language policy I want to know feelings of US citizens about
email censorship and Internet watching executed by their own authorities
about which I did not know nothing until yesterday. How does it correspond
with your constitutional rights?


Coriolanus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] To all US citizens (List Language policy)
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 04:37:45 EST

In a message dated 3/27/02 11:24:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk writes:


> Aside of our Language policy I want to know feelings of US citizens about
> email censorship and Internet watching executed by their own authorities
> about which I did not know nothing until yesterday. How does it correspond
> with your constitutional rights?
>
>
Salvete.
Watchdog programs like eagle, carnivore and sprite II are unfortunate facts
of life in the post 9/11 world of the United States.
The FBI and the NSA has been moderating domestic e-mail traffic since 1995,
but since 9/11
the surveillance has increased. One interesting side effect of this has been
the high amount of arrests of pedophiles and that child pornography rings in
the US have almost been eliminated, at least those involved with the
internet. Our own back ally once had a watchdog program assigned to it in
the late '90s, however at the time it was assumed by the Bureau that we were
a militia organization. When our benign purpose was discovered the program
was rescinded.
Yes, it is a violation of a US citizen rights, but in case you haven't
noticed Councilor Ashcroft has modified all our rights fairly recently, in
order to facilitate his "crack down" of domestic terrorism. I find his
methods rather heavy handed, but our ACLU is watching him very closely. This
suspension is supposed to be temporary, so we shall have to wait and see if
it is just that.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: List Language Policy
From:	Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
Date:	27 Mar 2002 21:21:27 -0300

> Salve,
>
> The 'advantage' to the status referred to above is
> that NR, as a 'money-receiving' group, is allowed to
> operate under protection of US law. In the event that
> someone has a snit, and sues NR in a US court, we are
> protected, to a certain extent, by our
> 'not-for-profit' status...as long as the books are
> straight.

Trying to get this.
If somebody sues NR the non-profit status protects it?
What about the fact that since NR is incorporated it can be sued
if speach is free on its mainlist ?
Wouldn't the non-profit status protect it in that case?
What could be lost, if NR is sued in such case?


> Without that protection, the USG could order
> NR(or at least the leadership) to 'cease and
> desist'(which, admittedly, they could do anyway; but
> probably won't).

Cease and desist what? NR is a worldwide micronation, let's
say it has a bank account, a US hosted web-site
and mainlist.
What could this cease and desist be about ?
The bank account? cash the money and open another one anywhere else
in the world, let's say Cayman Island, Switzerland or Man Island in
order to be sure everything is safe.
The web-site? In half an hour it is relocated anywhere else in the
world.
The mainlist? 5mns and it's open again with another address (losing the
archives), some hours and the archives are transferred too.

What protection do we need ?


> As NR is not a 'charitable' organization, no
> 'donations' are deductable from US tax write-offs.
>

Fine.
Another question, what is an IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ ?

http://www.guidestar.org/search/report/gs_report.jsp?npoId=1174417&context=eNpVUr9v00AUfkkIJGkIbYKQQPwQA6u9IRASIAEFUxdFRAxM1cV%2BsS%2Bcfcfdc%2Bt2QOoCAytIiImBsX8AEv8EMxNCjDAxIDbunIS0ls623n3f97733R38gqbR4Ecy83gpPM0jLyl4jIaY9sbSSzDPlfTumxEyHaV3ZE5Ykmz23%2F%2B9NBrXoRvC8YhpCmKCfjhl28wXLE%2F8EWmeJzdCaEWaE2rOCM7M9gviwh9qqVATR2MxnVjmUt%2FLGBfP4QXUQmhPkKJ0xPeQYHBINrDtE9SW0xXM0KaM%2BYSj7b16SPsuI7SIE4ol%2BEQvJDsaldQ0ZJTOKz2NphBkhkdwbYPGcJkH8bxw0mVBdpogj7F0xYZVM0WWMb275HVJEhObzPpGU6FKpWy2p50xzxnzlkNf73%2FZU1dvvqs7ZivGCXNGHKteahgsKQ%2BYSYmNBQ4%2Bn7py%2BeGPTw2or0NHSBavs4ikDqBNqR0klSIu1a3b4J6NnZZ9o101gtYz3N2ROjYExx7LjM1srVU9XKjePNT%2B9w8f%2F%2By%2FumY9BdDcZqJA62V1iXtUZGPULw%2FeXlh58%2B11HaBUtsNFK9ZbGnbhp9P92sZTOttwkMrKz6%2Fh77AkWPNNdY987rL0pkYR9Ba12QERnFsUZp%2Bt%2BTE5tKoyWnEzEpw%2FSvQTszX7c8j%2FwM4%2FlR%2FwZg%3D%3D


> AFAIK, there are no real advantages to US-resident
> cives vs NR being a US-registered entity.
>
> Further, whatever restrictions the US places on
> 'corporate entities' here, they are generally a lot
> less restrictive than elsewhere.

This can be the case, this is probably the reason for other
worldwide organisation not ot incorporate anywhere.

Vale

Manius Villius Limitanus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] MEGALESIA AWARD -1 week
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 02:49:18 +0100

Franciscus Apulsu Caesar Marco Minucio Audens S.P.D.

The description of the Megalesia Cultural Award is written by me, with the
supervision of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus. So please, take my apologizes if I
haven't been clear, I'm trying (with my bad english :-( ) to explain you the
topics of the Award.
The regulations say:
" ... The task of the contest is to write a text about the Ludi Megalesia
and its contents which is dedicated to Cybele (Magna Mater) or Dea
Fortuna..." (read in the bottom texts why I have inserted the Punic Wars and
agricolture too)
With this description of the Megalesia Ludi and Magna Mater I hope all of
you understand the task of the contest.
Please, if you have other doubts, questions and advices, contact me.


<<ANCIENT MEGALESIA LUDI
The Ludi Megalesiaci [April 4 - 10, C], were games offered in honor of a
foreign goddess, Magna Mater (Cybele), imported to Rome after the 2nd Punic
War. The goddess' sacred black stone was brought from Phrygia in Asia Minor
and housed in a temple constructed on April 10, 191 B.C.E.
The Ludi were organized by Roman aediles, elected magistrates charged with
the organization of various festivals.
The priests of the Magna Mater were called the Galli. They were non-citizen
eunuchs. The poet Catullus offers us a good example (Poem 63) of the Roman
mind trying to comprehend the kind of religious belief that would lead a man
to castrate himself in order to serve the Magna Mater. Lucretius provides
one of the best descriptions we have of the festival as it was celebrated
around the time of Julius Caesar (De Rerum Natura, 2.600 ff.).
The Galli led a procession in honor of the Magna Mater through the streets
of Rome. They carried a statue of the goddess riding in a chariot drawn by
lions in a litter.
Some priests played music, which sounded strange, sexy and scary to the
Romans, on musical instruments (tambourines, cymbles, flutes and trumpets)
from Asia Minor.
People watching the procession threw flower petals and coins before the
priests. While most upright, uptight Romans shuddered at this kind of
excess, they not only allowed the procession and supported the Ludi, they
considered the state sponsored worship of the Magna Mater pius and venerable
and absolutely necessary to Rome.
When the Magna Mater was first introduced to Rome, aristocratic families
formed sodalites [clubs] in honor of the Cybele. A practice rapidly
developed from these clubs in which patrician families held dinner parties
[mutitationes] for each other on the first night of the Ludi. Over time
these banquets became wildly elaborate and ostentatious. >>

<<MAGNA MATER
The Cult of Magna Mater, the Great Mother, is probably the oldest religion
of all. The earliest stone-age sculptures depict the mother- goddess, and an
idol found in Catal Hüyük, 6000 years old, depict her in the form she later
became worshipped as Cybele in Phrygia, as a seated woman flanked by two
leopards. The worship evolved through the millennia, but the goddess
remained a symbol of the powerful female forces in the universe. Many
different interpretations appeared, and various cults have interacted and
mixed ideas.
Not much is known about her worship in ancient times, but in her incarnation
as Cybele in ancient Phrygia she started the cult which would later evolve
into the cult of Magna Mater in Rome. As a small child she was put out into
the wilderness to die, but instead of killing her the panthers and lions
nurtured her, and she grew up into an intelligent, beautiful and headstrong
woman. It is not impossible that she was a child mage who was later deified.
She invented pipes and drums, and also magickal medicines which she used to
heal sick children and creatures on the Phrygian countryside. She became
friend of not only the animals and people, but also the satyrs and other
supernatural beings. She fell in love with prince Attis, but their
love-story was tragic; The intense love of the divine Cybele was too much
for the mortal prince, and he went mad, castrated himself and died. Cybele,
driven mad by grief, roamed around to sound of pipes and drums seeking her
lost love.
...Around 200 BC the holy black rock of the goddess was moved from the
Phrygian city of Pessinos, which had been the previous centre of her
worship. Rome became the new centre, and her cult grew. The romans
identified Cybele with the Greek Rhea, and called her Magna Mater, the Great
Mother
... Many of the ceremonies commemorated the deeds of Magna Mater and her
love to Attis, who represented the fertility and plants of the land. By his
castration and death the land was given new life.
.... Mountains and caves were sacred to Magna Mater, and her temples were
often built near them. By sleeping in a temple many women hoped to get help
from the goddess, who was said to help mothers and children. Midwifes were
tied to the cult, and many priests were healers. The priestesses were more
involved with her ecstatic side, celebrating her secret mysteries behind
locked doors. Practically nothing is known about them, except that they were
exclusively women only. >>

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre

Subject:	[novaroma] Ceremony
From:	AntoniaCorneliaOctavia <europamoon7@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:28:00 -0800 (PST)

Avete Omnes!

The next ceremony for the Temple of Religio Romana
will be on Sunday, April 21 in Tustin, Ca. at 1:00
p.m.

Venus, Goddess of Love and Beauty will be honored in
the ritual. Topic of discussion will be Firmitas:
Tenacity and strength of mind, the ability to stick to
one's purpose, and a lesson on Stoicism from the
Handbook of Epictetus.

Ceremony will include a Roman-style lunch and drinks.
Roman dress is encouraged but not necessary. This
will be an informal meeting where everyone will have
the opportunity to join in the discussion.

Please email me at romancivis@aol.com or call
714/734-6616 for directions.

I hope to see you!

Pax Deorum

Antonia Cornelia Octavia
President: Board of Directors
Temple of Religio Romana

"For what in truth is justice, in the mind of the
individual, but the desired consequence based on the
reigning principles of one's own ideology." Antonia
Cornelia Octavia

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Subject:	Re: Taxes and universalism was Re: [novaroma] Re: List Language Policy
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:26:13 -0500

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 05:33:01PM -0300, Michel Loos wrote:
>
> I would like to see a universal free NR, not a Roma which is
> subordinated to ANY macronation.
> In the free (from freedom) software world this problem was usually
> solved by not being incorporated anywhere and a LOT of good work is done
> like that, nobody feeling discriminated, no activities being restrained
> by limiting/oppresive national laws.
> This is the model I had in mind.

Perhaps I should not bother getting involved, given the dubious debating
tactics and insulting language that I have seen you use on this list, but I
will speak to this one point. I believe I'm well qualified to do so; I'm a
Contributing Editor of a major Linux publication, a professional
programmer/developer, and a Debian user of many years.

You are attempting to distort, for the purpose of your demagogy, a model
which has *nothing* to do with politics - micro- or macro-national - or
their structures, methods, means, or goals. The Open Software movement (not
"free" - that word has long been deprecated, specifically due to the
confusion that it caused) has *no* intersection with any of the above; it
is a software development model, and a description of an existing
gift-based culture. Holding it up as some sort of an example of perfection
for a micronation such as NR to follow is nothing more than a strawman, a
phony argument presented in the hope that no one else will be familiar with
the matter under discussion.


For anyone who wants to examine that model, take a look at Eric S.
Raymond's "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" -

<http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/>

and the follow-up articles that delve deeper into the Open Source culture:

"Homesteading the Noosphere"
<http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/homesteading/>

"The Magic Cauldron"
<http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/homesteading/>



Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Non omne quod licet honestum est.
-- Corpus Iuris Civilis: Digesta

Subject:	AW: [novaroma] List Language Policy
From:	"solinvictus" <caiustarquitius@gmx.de>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 02:08:26 +0100

Salvete,
I fully agree.
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: L. Sicinius Drusus [mailto:lsicinius@yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. März 2002 11:53
An: Nova Roma
Betreff: [novaroma] List Language Policy


Salvete Quirites,

I Shall start by stating that I don't think it's a
good idea to have the acting curator change any
policies on this list. I do not fully agree with the
current language policy of this list, but I care even
less for the idea of an apointed magistrate changing
policies set by an elected magistrate so I would have
to oppose any changes until an election is held for
curator of this list.

I Stated my basic feelings about the language isuse
last year and would like to repeat it now.

When Roma was a small town on the Tiber, the Greeks
were busy founding cities from the Pillars of Hercules
to the Black Sea. The Empire of Alexander didn't last
long, but the states that came into being when it
broke up continued the spread of Greek civilization
and the Greek language. When Roma became a great
power, she found herself in a world dominated by the
Greek language. The Romans were a very pragmatic
people, they didn't seek to impose their Latin
language on the areas they conquered, they learned to
speak Greek.

In Ancient times Greek was the international language.
Everyone who wanted to take part in a culture greater
than that of their city learned Greek as a second
language. Most Greeks, however refused to bother
learning a second language and looked down on those
who failed to learn their tongue. The Word "Barbarian"
originally meant someone who didn't know Greek, who
barked like a dog (Bar Bar). Barbarian later acquired
the meaning of "Uncivilized" because anyone who didn't
speak Greek was considered to be uncivilized.

Nova Roma finds herself in the same position as
Ancient Roma as far as language goes. We have come
upon a world that the language of an earlier power has
become the dominant international tongue. English has
the same status today that Greek had for the Ancient
Romans. Unfortuntally many of us who speak English as
their native tongue have an attitude similar to that
of the ancient Greeks. We all ready speak the
international language, why bother learning a
"barbarian" tongue?

Which brings me to the Nova Roma mail list. In a
normal mailing list or newsgroup it's considered a
violation of the rules of "nettiquite" to post to the
group in a language other than the language of the
group. It's considered allmost as bad as spamming the
list. It's looked on as very bad manners. However this
is NOT a normal mailing list. This is the place Nova
Romans receive their official news of upcoming events.
A Citizen may know enough English to get a feeling of
whats going on, but lack the skills to phrase a
question in English to get the information they need.
I see no problem in allowing these citizens to post a
reply asking for help in their native language. These
kinds of posts should be fairly infrequent. The only
time I would see a reason for moderation would be if
it developed into a conversation between two or three
citizens, addressed to each other, rather than the
group as a whole. Then it would be time for them to be
encouraged to take their private conversation to
regular e-mail instead of posting to the group (as
should be done with English threads that turn into a
private conversation).

So Much for my gut instinct.

Now I fully understand the legal problems involved in
having a fully open offical list. Because of stupid
decessions made by USA Judges Nova Roma Inc. and the
members of it's board of directors (The Senate) can be
sued for Libel if some fool posts something slanderous
on this list. The Fool should be the only one held
liable, but the USA courts don't see it that way,
hence the need for modaration of the list.

Last year I was working behind the scenes trying to
get a lex introduced that would appoint translators,
and among their duties would be assisting the Curator
of this list. the Lex would have stated that citizens
may post in any language that has an apointed
translator. Due to the fact that the last election for
modarator of this list was to an extent a referenda on
the language policy, I advised the Consul that we
shouldn't include the main list language policies in
the lex on languages. The People had voted in favor of
the current policy a short time earlier and it wasn't
proper to place it before them again.

I Still favor the idea of having the Translators
assist the Curator of this list and at least opening
it up to languages that have an apointed translator,
the Translator being responsible for translating any
posts rather than the citizen. Perhaps after the
Election the new Curator of this list will consider
this policy.

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Subject:	[novaroma] The Curator Sermonis' Powers
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:37:40 -0800 (PST)

Pompeiia--What do you mean, exactly, when yousay that
the Curatrix Sermonis has no powers? Does it mean
that she is unable to ban someone from the list for
cause, but has to seek permission from the Praetors
orAediles, first? Or send warnings? Or do you mean
something else when you refer to imperium?

If the curator of the list doesn't have these powers,
what is the point in having a curator, in the first
place? They might as well let the list be completely
unmoderated.

I was going to consider volunteering, as I have
managed lists before, and I've seen a few things on
here which wouldn't be tolerated on other lists I
belong to.

But I haven't been in NR long enough and am not
experienced with a lot of the issues involved. And,
if the Curator has no authority to act when people are
causing problems, then yes, I agree, it is indeed a
thankless position.

---
Renata Corva Cantrix


Pompeiia Cornelia said:
The position of Curatrix Sermonis is one totally
without imperium.
To me, this makes about as much sense as putting
someone in the New
York Police Department without a gun.



=====
Chantal
http://www.4dw.net/aerden/theran/theranweyr.html

"Yesterday, it worked.
Today, it is not working.
Windows is like that."



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Subject:	[novaroma] Current thoughts from a tyro.
From:	"n_cassius_niger" <menippus@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:53:11 -0000

Salvete mei sodales Judaei qui in liberatione feriatur et alii
cives!/Greetings to Nova Roma and to my fellow Jewish citizens who
are celebrating the Passover!

I have only been a citizen for a few months and I must admit that
the politics of Nova Roma scare me a little. I unknowingly joined
this group not knowing that certain debates about the soul of our
country were still raging. However, I am also encouraged to see the
passion behind these debates for they speak of the passion of our
shared vision. I would like to address some of the issues I have
seen in the past few digests I have received and perhaps shed light
into what a new citizen, currently unprejudiced by the politics and
personalities of our nation, thinks and believes.

First of all, I find it curious that American political ideals would
come under attack in a forum such as these, since the United States
was the closet country, in politics and spirit, to a "New Rome" that
existed prior to our micro-nation. The American system of
government, especially its tripartite system of balances and checks,
was inspired by Nicolo Machiavelli's text "Discourses on the First
Ten Books of Titus Livius" which is a handbook for republican
governments just as "The Prince" is a handbook for monarchies.
Machiavelli's ideal state took its model from republican Rome, which
in turn inspired the founding fathers of the United States in their
model of government. Correspondence between such luminaries as
Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton speak of their desire to
found a "New Rome" on this continent. I state this not from American
chauvinism, for my major dissatisfaction with my macro-national
government stems from the fact that currently we have failed to
maintain our ideal of Roman style civic republicanism and have
fallen into the lure of Greek style mob-rule democracy. It seems
only natural to me that a nation like Nova Roma would be born in
what was once a 18th century "New Rome".

Secondly, I would like to address something more controversial,
language. Now, I have been privileged enough to have studied both
Latin and Attic Greek (French and Yiddish as well), and I do
sympathize with those who do not posses linguistic flexibility.
However, I fear that the legislation requiring official business to
be in primarily English has the potential to be abused. I was
accepted as a citizen shortly before the lex came into effect, so I
was not privy to any sort of debate surrounding it nor did I feel I
had the right to vote on that particular piece of legislation.
Therefore, my participation in Nova Roma implies my consent of its
laws. (As Socrates once argued, but then again I don't relish the
thought of drinking Hemlock. :P ) I do believe though, that it is
every Nova Roman's duty to learn and attempt to use Latin. I do not
make this claim from intellectual snobbery and I do not wish to
cause resentment amongst my senior Nova Romans by being a "Johnny-
come-lately" telling them what to do. I believe it is important due
to the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is a
groundbreaking theory of linguistics that has many serious
implications. The short of it states that, "The grammar and
semiotics of a language are constructed by and bound by its culture.
The corollary is also true." What this means for us is that the only
way to truly and unbiasedly experience and understand Roman culture,
philosophy, and beliefs is to learn the language of their thought.
In effect to learn Latin is to begin to think like a Roman. Anyone
who is fluently multi-lingual can appreciate this. When one learns
another language and its idioms, a shift of paradigm occurs...your
thought actually changes. (For example, a close friend told me that
he knew it was time to leave Japan and return home when he started
bowing back at the cash machine.) Furthermore, you become a
participant in another culture, truly being able to understand the
untranslatable messages that accompany every word of a language. To
a speaker of the same language, you instantly share in a common
linguistic culture. If we are to build a common Nova Roman culture,
it must be done through language. A common culture can be built from
English, "the modern language of commerce," or it can be built from
Latin, the language of our spiritual fathers. The fact is that a
choice must be made and it is up to the citizenry of Nova Roma to do
it.
If you are interested in the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis you may visit
http://venus.va.com.au/suggestion/sapir.html
I have also found pages in other languages concerning the Sapir-
Whorf theory that may be of some benefit if English is not your
strongest language.
http://www.mcm.aueb.gr/ment/semiotics/whorf.html (Modern Greek)
http://santana.uni-
muenster.de/Linguistik/user/steiner/semindex/sapir.html (German)
http://www.geocities.com/feyerabend_geymonat/personaggi_linguisti.htm
(Italian)

When I first learned of Nova Roma, I was greatly excited. It was
amazing to learn that others shared my dream, and that this dream
could very well come to realization. Upon reading the ideals of Nova
Roma on the website I was immediately reminded of another movement
that existed about 100 years ago that wished to resurrect an ancient
culture. This group was multi-national and met just as we do today.
They took a language that was even more "dead" than Latin and began
to use for conversational uses, they also sought to return to the
homeland of this ancient culture and practice its religion.
This movement was called Zionism, and in less than 100 years they
were (somewhat) successful in convincing the world to allow them to
return to the homeland of an ancient culture that they claimed
inheritance to. They also converted Hebrew, a language that in form
was more moribund that Ancient Greek or Latin and was only used for
liturgical purposes (Yiddish and Judeo-Spanish were the mother
tongues of most pre-Zionist Jews), into a living conversational
modern language that is the primary language of Israeli Jews today
(In fact, Yiddish was heavily discouraged in early Israel).
Regardless of whether you believe they had a legitimate right to the
land they claimed, their success cannot be denied.
We Nova Romans have the same potential, in less than a generation;
we too could be living in a land of our own and build for ourselves
a Neo-Roman culture. If we are to do this, then we should study the
success of other groups like ours that accomplished their goals, but
not compromise our principles. Zionism succeeded as a movement
because they possessed a common culture shared through a common
language. (Remember, Hebrew was not the common tongue of the Jewish
Diaspora.) If we too allow ourselves to build a common and unique
culture, our movement will thrive. The implication of Sapir-Whorf is
that through Latin we will transform ourselves into Romans. I praise
the Academia Thules and the Sodalitas Latinitas for providing us
with the opportunity for this to happen. I call upon my fellow
citizens to join me in seizing this opportunity to become closer to
the Via Romana and take on this task out of a sense of Pietas and
Genius.

Si Vales, Valeo

N. Cassius Niger

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: To all US citizens (List Language policy)
From:	"n_cassius_niger" <menippus@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:55:45 -0000

Well, I think it is a major violation of my constitutional rights,
which is why I am a card-carrying memeber of the Libertarian
Party. :)

N. Cassius Niger

--- In novaroma@y..., Duhacek Jozef <jozef.duhacek@s...> wrote:
> Salvete
>
> Aside of our Language policy I want to know feelings of US
citizens about
> email censorship and Internet watching executed by their own
authorities
> about which I did not know nothing until yesterday. How does it
correspond
> with your constitutional rights?
>
>
> Coriolanus

Subject:	[novaroma] Trip to Rome
From:	"scipio_apollonius" <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:01:05 -0000

Salvete,

I just received my citizenship in NR. I am very pleased and honoured
to have joined you as Sextus Apollonius Scipio.
As you may know, I am currently in Rome and will stay here until next
Monday. I will consider any further request (pictures,
information...) and I am planning to report about my trip. As a very
new citizen, I do not know if there is anybody in charge of
collecting information or even conducting trips. I am considering to
report about the royal and republican remains on the forum and in the
immediate vincinity.
If you have any other idea, please let me know.

Valete

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Subject:	[novaroma] De absentia Antoni Grylli Graeci
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <antonio.grilo@inov.pt>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:16:52 -0000

Antonius Gryllus Graecus omnibus salutem

I just wish to notify you that I will be absent for holidays from today
until next Tuesday.

Di vos bene ament

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] To all US citizens (List Language policy)
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 06:31:22 -0800 (PST)

--- Duhacek Jozef <jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk> wrote:
> Salvete
>
> Aside of our Language policy I want to know feelings
> of US citizens about
> email censorship and Internet watching executed by
> their own authorities
> about which I did not know nothing until yesterday.
> How does it correspond
> with your constitutional rights?
>
>
> Coriolanus
>

Salvete,

I'll start out with some background information.

The Internet started out as ARPAnet, and was funded by
the US military. ARPAnet was intended to save money.
Computers were expensive mainframes when it started
out around 30 years ago. ARPAnet was a way people
working on Military contracts could share computing
resources. Someone in Los Angeles could use a compuer
in Boston that was idle at the time.

Security was never built into ARPAnet. It was designed
for projects that were not classified, so by design it
shares information freely.

The Internet grew out of the Military ARPAnet, and it
was controlled by the US Military untill 1990 CE. No
security was ever added to the Internet because
nothing that could have been designed into it would
have met the US Military standards for dealing with
Classified material without limiting access.

So we now have a system with no security built into
it. anyone can read anything on the internet while
it's being transmitted. It isn't just the US
government, other Macronational governments, local
police and even that computer nerd that lives down the
street can all read your posts and some of them are
doing it.

The current adminastration claims it has to do this
because of the war on Terrorism, but the US government
started this spying years ago. Terrorism is just an
excuse, the internet is a way of gathering information
that few governments can resist.

The only way you can protect yourself from the
assorted snoops is to use encryption, if your
macronational government hasn't outlawed it. At least
US citizens are allowed to protect themselves by
encrypting their mail (for now). In the UK you have to
give your encryption to the police in case they decide
to read your mail and in France it's illegal to use
encryption without a license that's very hard to get.

I Would urge anyone who is worried about their privacy
to use encryption IF IT'S LEGAL in the area where you
live. Please check the laws of your Macronation before
attempting to use any encryption software.

L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] To all US citizens (List Language policy)
From:	labienus@texas.net
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:53:02 US/Central

Salvete Coriolane omnesque

> Aside of our Language policy I want to know feelings of US citizens about
> email censorship and Internet watching executed by their own authorities
> about which I did not know nothing until yesterday. How does it correspond
> with your constitutional rights?

Privacy is not explicitly protected by the US Constitution. And, it is quite
arguable how private one's Internet activities really are. Until recently,
this list's archives were open to all comers, and therefore I had (and have) no
expectation of privacy here. The original Back Alley list, however, was a
private list whose archives were not open to the general public, and whose
members were each approved by the list owner. On that list, I would have
preferred to be able to expect some privacy. I do believe that my e-mail
communication with individuals really ought to be as private (and it often is
reasonably so, thanks to encryption software) as my physical correspondence is
(though its remaining so relies primarily upon the receiver's keeping it that
way). In the meantime, I can but remain informed and vote.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Current thoughts from a tyro.
From:	labienus@texas.net
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:26:46 US/Central

Salvete N Cassi omnesque

> I have only been a citizen for a few months and I must admit that
> the politics of Nova Roma scare me a little.

In general, when more than fifty people get together to do something, the
politics get a little nasty at times. If you get past the arguing, you'll find
that we Novoromani are generally people worth knowing.

> First of all, I find it curious that American political ideals would
> come under attack in a forum such as these, since the United States
> was the closet country, in politics and spirit, to a "New Rome" that
> existed prior to our micro-nation.

I don't think it's US political ideals that are under attack. Rather, some
cives perceive a certain US-centrism in Nova Roma's administration. For them,
our endorsement of English as the business language of the state, the current
requirement that non-English posts to this list be translated into English
prior to being published, and our requirement that all tax revenues be
collected in the central US treasury before being returned (in part) to the
provinces in which they are collected are all evidence of such a bias. Because
such a bias (whether or not it actually exists) impacts them negatively, they
do their best to fight against the trend.

Additionally, some cives argue with the current reality of US politics and the
actions that the US has taken while pursuing its various goals. It is quite
reasonable to disagree with, say, the manner of US involvement in Nicaragua
during the 1980s. However, stating that disagreement in bald and general terms
on this list will likely start a flame war between those who are pro-US and
those who are more skeptical of that macronation. This is especially true
given the current state of affairs post-911. Again, if you manage to get past
the arguing, you'll find that nearly everybody here is quite worth getting to
know.

> Secondly, I would like to address something more controversial,
> language.
<amputatio>
> The short of it states that, "The grammar and
> semiotics of a language are constructed by and bound by its culture.
> The corollary is also true." What this means for us is that the only
> way to truly and unbiasedly experience and understand Roman culture,
> philosophy, and beliefs is to learn the language of their thought.

Thank you for so clearly and reasonably making this point. Others have
attempted to say much the same thing, but never quite so succinctly. If we are
ever to truly become the nation that I hope we will become, then we need to
establish common ground--language, religion, tradition, and shared experience.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	[novaroma] Payment Deadline approaches
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:31:39 -0600 (CST)

Salvete Omnes,

Today is March 28th. The deadline for payment of annual membership
fee, or "tax", is March 30th.

This payment is voluntary for those who wish to be a citizen, and
participate in our various activities, such as the mailing lists.
For citizens who do not hold office, the only difference between
the two membership levels is voting strength.

It is required for all those holding office, elected or appointed,
central or provincial. According to the Lex Vedia de Assidui et
Capite Censi:

C. No member of the capiti censi [non-paying citizens] may run
for or hold office as one of the ordinarii (including the
apparitores), nor be appointed to or hold office as provincial
governor. Members of the capiti censi may hold provincial or
local offices at the discretion of the governor of the
province in question.

Any magistrate who does not make the required payment must be
removed from office, according to this law. Several current magistrates
have not yet paid and are in danger of removal.

Please, check that your status is up to date. You can see your current
status on your personal Album Civium page (accessible from
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view). If your page does not contain the
word "Assidui" (near the bottom of the table of information), then
no payment had yet been made for you, and you should make one
imediately to retain full status.

Valete, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Payment Deadline approaches
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:45:54 -0000

>>If your page does not contain the word "Assidui" (near the bottom
of the table of information), then no payment had yet been made for
you, and you should make one imediately to retain full status.<<

Salve Quirites et Salve Consul Germanicus,

As a matter of policy, the Quaestores have not eneted those paying by
check at the Nova Roma web site until the check clear. I have been
trying to get deposit slips to mail the checks I have received to the
NR bank, and I finally believe they are on the way (at last I spoke
to a mail room clerk instead of a Bank executive ;-O ).

Given the nearness of the deadline, I will post check payments to the
NR web site within the hour (it is now 12:45 PM CST). Therefore, a
check of your "Assidui" status as Consul Germanicus suggests shoudl
be up to date soon.

If you used Paypal or sent cash, you assidui status should already be
reflected on the site.

Respectfully,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Quaestor

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Latin
From:	"radams36" <radams40@juno.com>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:12:49 -0000

> I have debated on this consideration for some time, due to the fact
that
> I am not skilled at languages, in fact they have, throughout my
> schooling, been my nemisis. However, I have finally proposed to
venture
> on to this effort, hopefully with the assistance of the citizens of
Nova
> Roma.
> However, I will need the assistance of my many friends in Nova Roma
to
> make a success of this effort. I will need thier encouragement, and
> their ideas as well as thier assistance in this endeavor, since it
> encompasses a new learning effort and one in which my formal
schooling
> in both Spanish and German has proven to be my weak point in
academic
> prowess.

Salve, amice,

I'm afraid I can offer no expertise in this area, but you can count
on my emotional support for this worthy endeavour. Looking forward to
your efforts!

Vale bene,

Rufus Iulius Palaeologus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Payment Deadline approaches
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:52:01 -0000

Salvete Quirites,

All payments, regardless of form, have now been posted and reflected
on the NR web site. Go to your name in the Album Gentium, click on
it, and you should see "aaisui" listed for "status" near the bottom
of the chart. If you have paid that is ;-) .

All, that is, except for one cive from America Austrorientalis (South
Florida USA to be more exact)who did not send his Roman name and for
whom, we have yet to discover it. If you read this and know who you
are, please e-mail us.

We will post a full report on tax collections once the deadline has
passed and the data is complete.

Again, my thanks to everyone who was able and willing to participate.

Respectfully,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Quaestor

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Latin
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:41:36 -0500 (EST)

Ave, Rufus Iulius Palaeologus;

Thank you for your encouragement. At the present time, I am need of
nothing else save for time and determination to complete the stated
Project.

You are a good friend, and I look forward to the day that we can meet
face to face.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] On the List Language Policy and imperium for its curator...
From:	"Fl. Cl. Salix Davianus Iul." <davius_sanctex@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:34:54 -0000

Salve honorabilis Quinte Fabi Maxime,

>>Roman traders were forced to learn Greek. In the East as Rome grew, Greek
was never displaced, Latin was the language of government, law and ceremony.
Greek remained the language of commerce.<<

Perfectly, but no "language policy" Roma forbided or obligated to provide "Greerk translations" to any message written in Latin. I am in favour that this list would be open to other languages without restrictions ... in fact if one person desires to arrive to a great audiencie he/she will use English.
In the actual situation, if I wish to send a message in Latin I must provide a translation, and possibly my message was originally only adressed to those that understand Latin. It have no sense. The use of one or another language must be at the will, proposit, and desires of the sender. If someone wants to write message for a part of the audience I think he would have the possiblity!



Fl. Cl. Salix Davianus Iul.
========================
Tribunus Plebis Novae Romae
Legatus Internis Rebus Hispaniae
Senator et Rector Societatis Viae Romanae


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Subject:	[novaroma] Correction
From:	"Lleij Schwartz" <menippus@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:19:07 -0500

Correction: The greeting to my last post should have read, "Salvete mei
sodales Judaei qui in liberatione feriantur et alii
cives!" What a difference a letter makes. Also please note that the e in
feriantur is long, thus it is a form of ferior, not ferio. (If it was ferio,
my greeting would have read, "Greetings to my fellow Jews who in liberation
should be beaten" :P ) *sighs* Next time, please be so kind as to remind me
not to compose messages at 3:30 in the morning, no matter what level of
enthusiasm I may possess for our city.

In comitate,

N. Cassius Niger
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re--Note to US Citizens from Coriolanus
From:	"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:04:39 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

Coriolanus--I see no conflict between current Internet
policing practices and the Constitution. I am all for
Internet watchdogs, especially with regard to
dangerous people, like terrorists or sex offenders. I
used to work in criminal justice, so I _want_ someone
keeping an eye out for those people.

Internet watchdogs do not exist to censor. A person
is perfectly free to say whatever he or she pleases on
the Internet or anywhere else about comitting
crimes--be they sex offenses, terrorism, or bank
robbery.
On the other hand, of course, people must accept the
consequences, if they plan such things. Governments
have a vested interest in preventing crimes, just as
doctors have a vested interest in preventing disease.


If you can stop criminals when their crime is
'conspiracy to commit murder,' rather than stopping
them only after the first victim dies, you've
succeeded in the art of war, have you not?

A person is entirely free to say the word, 'bomb' on
an airplane, but he'd better be prepared for the rest
of the passengers to jump on him, if he does.

So, yes, I support what my government is doing,
because I understand and agree with why they're doing
it.

---Coriolanus wrote:---
From: Duhacek Jozef <jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk>
Subject: To all US citizens (List Language policy)

Salvete

>>Aside of our Language policy I want to know feelings
of US citizens about email censorship and Internet
watching executed by their own authorities about which

I did not know nothing until yesterday. How does it
correspond with your constitutional rights?


---
Renata Corva Cantrix

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Subject:	[novaroma] Hail and well met!!
From:	"barbarrosa66" <barbarrosa66@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:10:15 -0000

Greetings
I an amateur historian and new adherant to the sport of reenactment.
I live in Warren, Mi with my wife and young daughter. If it is
possible, I would be interested in joining a local group. Any
information you could provide would be appreciated. Thank you.
Signed, David J. Braun

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latin
From:	Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
Date:	28 Mar 2002 16:30:36 -0300

On Wed, 2002-03-27 at 19:34, jmath669642reng@webtv.net wrote:
> Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
> I have recently recieved a number of very encouraging and quite frankly
> flattering E-Mails. To those who were so kind, I send a most sincere
> second thank you. However, your very kind messages set me to thinking,
> about Nova Roma and what I could further do to forward our micronation
> to her goals.
>
> It struck me that those of us who contribute in a positive way to the
> Republic, in those areas where we have given knowledge and skills help
> the Republic along immensely. However, those who contribute positively
> by attempting new endeavors not only forward Nova Roma, but also help
> themselves as well.
>
> With this thought, came the idea, that perhaps there was a way to help
> NR, and myself at the same time. While entertaining this thought, I
> came upon two books in a used book store for a pittance, the first of
> which tells the story of a family in Pompeii, something of thier daily
> life and some of the items of Roman culture in which they indulged. The
> second book is devoted more to the stories of Rome and her history.
> However, these books are a little different, in that both are primers
> for the beginner in learning the Latin Language:
>
> --Cambridge Latin Course, Unit 1, The North American Third Edition, Eds.
> E. Phinney and P.E. Bell, Cambridge University Press, New York, 1992.
>
> --Oxford Latin Course, Part 1, M. Balme and J. Morewood, Oxford
> University Press, Oxford--G.B., 1994.
>
> I have debated on this consideration for some time, due to the fact that
> I am not skilled at languages, in fact they have, throughout my
> schooling, been my nemisis. However, I have finally proposed to venture
> on to this effort, hopefully with the assistance of the citizens of Nova
> Roma.
>
> I intend to study thoroughly each of the stages and chapters of each
> text book, and then I propose to write a simple story on this list
> encompassing what I have learned in the applicable stage / chapter
> together with an English translation as required. This way, I hope to
> strengthen the idea that the English translation is a necessary vehicle
> for the present day use of a multi-cultural List, as well as perhaps
> learn something new.
>
> However, I will need the assistance of my many friends in Nova Roma to
> make a success of this effort. I will need thier encouragement, and
> their ideas as well as thier assistance in this endeavor, since it
> encompasses a new learning effort and one in which my formal schooling
> in both Spanish and German has proven to be my weak point in academic
> prowess.
>
> I hope that my idea will not discommode anyone to any extent, and will
> perhaps and hopefully provide some small variation to the constant diet
> of political conjecture on this list. Perhaps when I feel more
> comfortable (if that time ever comes) I will even aspire to membership
> in the Sodalitas Latinius. Thank you for your very kind attention to
> this post and for your patience in listening to my idea.
>

Join the KDE latin team ! Nothing more motivating than a concrete goal,
when you have difficulties


Manius Villius Limitanus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: To all US citizens (List Language policy)
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:49:51 -0600

Salve,
I, too am a card carrying member of the Libertarian Party(Neal
Boortz converted me before the Presidential election). Maybe, we ought
to start a NR LP:-).

Sextus Cornelius Cotta