Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latin
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:29:18 -0500 (EST)

Limitanus;

I thank you for your kind offer but I believe I covered that aspect in
my earlier message. Further, I will need all my energy to successfully
engage in this endeavor, and I do not wish to expose myself further to
anyone who is as rabidly anti-U.S. as yourself. To do so would simply
deflect energy from my project and would serve no purpose, since you
have little or no apparent concern for my views whatsoever.

I wonder if it is just my imagination, or do you bother to read, at all,
those posts about which you comment.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Subject:	Re: AW: [novaroma] List Language Policy
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:35:27 -0500

Salve L. Sicinius Drusus,

>L. Sicinius Drusus at caiustarquitius@gmx.de wrote:
>
> I Shall start by stating that I don't think it's a
> good idea to have the acting curator change any
> policies on this list. I do not fully agree with the
> current language policy of this list, but I care even
> less for the idea of an apointed magistrate changing
> policies set by an elected magistrate so I would have
> to oppose any changes until an election is held for
> curator of this list.

If this was an average situation I would agree with you, although we are
fortunate enough to have an elected praetor as a temporary replacement.
Technically, a praetor could change list policies when ever they wish. A
praetor holds imperium over all magistrates of lower rank. I believe that if
Pompeia Cornelia wishes to make a change in list policy we should consider
it made not by a temporary replacement, but as an elected praetor of Nova
Roma.

Vale,

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Citizen Deaths---Memorial
From:	Gnaeus Marius <gnmariusasia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:04:15 -0800 (PST)

>>
I know that reported deaths were posted in the 'Acta
Dinura'....What about a dual page, recording births
and deaths? I know that there have been more than a
few births of what would be 'native' cives since the
founding....

Gnaeus Marius Asiaticus
>>
--- Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net> wrote:
>
> Salve Gaius Cassius,
>
> I think this would be a good thing to look into. We
> should keep records of
> those citizens that have died, and honouring them on
> the web site is also a
> nice idea. Any citizen that played a part in the
> building of this nation
> disserves to be honoured and recorded. After all, if
> we are successful in
> our goal, the names of the first 1000 citizens
> should live on in our records
> if just for historical reasons.
>
> Vale,
>
> --
> Amulius Claudius Petrus
> Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
> Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
> Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
> Canada Orientalis Provincia
>
> Canada Orientalis Website:
> www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
>
> Gens Claudia Website:
> www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
> --
>
> > Gaius Cassius Nerva at emrys@mindspring.com wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if it might be appropriate to have
> a web page to
> > the memory of Nova Romans who have died as
> citizens. Perhaps such a
> > memorial area could be called Catacombs. If this
> is too morbid,
> > disregard the idea. But I do think some kind of
> NR memorial paghe
> > would be fitting.
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] MEGALESIA AWARD -1 week
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:13:36 +0100

Salvete Quirites!

I recently got a few simple questions from a dear friend about the
Megalesia Cultural Award. I failed to give simple answers to those
questions. :-( Here I have tried to answer these questions in a
better way and here is the result. Information is the hardest thing
to give, as usual. The questions are in the form of "What, Who,
Where, Why, When is MEGALESIA????"

What is MEGALESIA: Ludi Megalesia is a festival in honor and worship
of the goddess Magna Mater (Cybele), whose statue and worship was
transfered to Rome since she was believed to have helped in gaining
the victory over Cartage in the second Punic war. During this
festival I have arranged a contest to honor the Goddess. This contest
is called the "Megalesia Cultural Award".

All the subjects of the Megalesia Cultural Award contest: Ludi
Megalesia, Cybele (Magna Mater), Dea Fortuna, agriculture and
subjects about farms and farming, the second Punic War and battles in
general have some connection with this agricultural goddess, even the
war themes.

Who is MEGALESIA: This festival is arranged each year of the Curule
Aediles in the honor of this goddess. This year I, Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus, is responsible for arranging this festival

The Megalesia Cultural Award contest is open to single participants
or to groups composed by a maximum of 5 citizens. Each participant or
group of participants can participate with just _one_ work. It isn't
allowed to be a member of a group and participate as a individual at
the same time. The contributed work must be in English, with a
maximum of 500 words. These kinds of works are accepted: novel, poem,
drama, tragedy, comedy. etc.

Where is MEGALESIA: Here is the link to the web-site, which is quite
huge (containing both the Nova Roma Rally and "my" Ludi and more):
http://www.novaroma.org/main.html (Cohors Aedilis, Office of Aedile
C. Fabius) or if You prefer to get to it directly as it has been
offered in our mails:
<http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/megalesia/mca.htm>http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/megalesia/mca.htm

The Temple of the Goddess is laying in ruins in Roma and I am going
to start a fund during the Megalesia festival to raise money to help
to restore some small part of this Temple. I have asked Provincia
Italia to handle this work and the present Governor Illustrus
Franciscus Apulus Caesar has accepted to do this.

Why is MEGALESIA: A festival to honor the goddess Magna Mater
(Cybele). She was a goddess from Asia, but as she helped Roma she was
held in great honor, even if the cult was very foreign.

When is MEGALESIA: April 4-10, 2002. The _deadline_ to send your work
for the Megalesia Cultural Award is April 3, 2002 (2755 a.u.c.), by
e-mail to sacro_barese_impero@libero.it [Franciscus Apulus Caesar]
with the subject "Megalesia C.A.

As there still is time (the deadline is 3rd of April) to enter this
contest, please send in your work to the contest! Your participation
will be much appreciated.

If this explanation doesn't satisfy, please, feel free to ask! I am
here to serve.
--

Valete

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
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Subject:	[novaroma] With Sadness
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:06:58 -0000

Salvete Omnes:


I have received word from Senator Cato that his father passed on
yesterday morning at approximately 5 am EST.

This situation is most certainly a rough road; when I look at my
relationship with my own father...how he has positively influenced my
life and outlook, his support, his humour, his love, I can gather
atleast a partial glimpse of how Senator Cato and family must be
feeling right now.

I thought it appropriate to make the community aware of this turn of
events.

May our thoughts, prayers and offerings continue to be with Cato and
his family during this difficult time.

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia


B

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Trip To Europe
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:51:13 -0500 (EST)

Master Caseo F. Quintillianus;

I wish to thank you most sincerely for your very kind words. I will
certainly heed them well. As I have mentioned to some others, I have
been depressed and morose over recent events here in Nova Roma.
However, in the last few hours I have recieved a very pleasing and
complimentary outpouring of comments from friends assuring me of thier
belief in me and what I have tried to do here in Nova Roma.

You have been a good friend, Snowman, and I will feel my trip to
Scandanavia well fulfilled if we manage to be able to spend some time
together. As I have told the others who have flooded my mailbox with
thier very kind words, I will take your wise counsel with me, and ponder
your very kind words at my liesure aboard ship. I seem to think more
clearly when I am at sea. I am sure many will agree to that statement
very heartily (Grin!!!!!!).

In closing, my very good friend, thank you for your very kind words, and
the even kinder thoughts behind them.

Respectfully, and With my fullest Appreciation;

Marcus Minucius Audens (Caput)

Subject:	[novaroma] hello list!
From:	"pjane64" <pcassia@janeraeburn.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:51:48 -0000

Salvete omnes!

Pompeia Cornelia is dealing with a family emergency and has asked me to
mind the list for a couple of days. If you have any questions or
concerns about the list, please feel free to address them to me. As NR
"old-timers" are aware, I have acted as list moderator in the past.

I especially want to welcome those who are new to NR. This list sees a
lot of traffic, but so did the Forum of Rome. If it all gets to be too
much for you, you might consider spending some time in a list for your
Provincia, for the Religio Romana or for a Sodalitas that interests
you.

May I also gently suggest that the current discussions of U.S. law and
the origins of the free software movement, while interesting, have
wandered from our topic?

Finally, to those of our list members who observe Jewish or Christian
holidays, I wish you a happy Pesach or a happy Easter.

Patricia Cassia
Senator and Priestess of Minerva

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Trip to Rome
From:	"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:01:22 -0000

AVE SEXTE APOLLONI SCIPIONI

First of all, wellcome in Nova Roma.
Your report could be very interesting for the Sodalitas Egressus
and for the Provincia Italia.
I would be pleased of reading it as Dominus Praefectus of the
Sodalitas and as Legatus of the Provincia Italia.
Please, contact me and send it to mcserapio@yahoo.it
Thank you.

VALE BENE
MANIVS-CONSTINVS-SERAPIO
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Italiae
Dominus Praefectus Italiae Europaeque Orientalis et
Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis munere fungens Sodalitatis Egressus
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org

Subject:	[novaroma] Proposal for List Moderation
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:09:46 -0600 (CST)

Salvete Cives,

Here is the first draft of a proposal for moderation of this list
and other public avenues of communication. Let us debate this,
make changes, and vote on it next month.

PROPOSED LEX:

I. Definitions

a. "public fora" is defined as any system of communications where
contributions from persons other than its maintainer are distributed
or made available to other subscribers, including but not limited
to mailing lists, real-time chat systems, web-based bulletin boards.

b. "moderation" refers to exercise of powers provided by the
software used to implement public fora to approve, reject,
pre-screen, or delete messages, approve or reject pending
subscribers, and perform other administrative duties.

c. a "moderator" is a person with moderation abilities with
regard to a particular public forum.

II. The office of Curator Sermonis (also called Curator Sermonem) is
hereby abolished.

III. The Praetores are hereby given the powers and duties of moderators
for all public fora sponsored by the central government of Nova Roma,
and empowered to use all moderation features provided, subject to
Constitutional free speech guarantees, Tribunician intercessio,
and any leges explicitly setting list policies.

The Praetores are empowered to create and enforce policies of
acceptable behavior in the public fora.

IV. Scope

a. Public fora under the jurisdiction of the Praetores shall
include the general discussion mailing list (currently
"novaroma@yahoogroups.com"), the announcements mailing list
(currently "novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com"), the web-based
message board linked to from www.novaroma.org, and any chat
system in use on www.novaroma.org, the mailing lists for all
officially chartered sodalitates, and any other public fora
fitting the definition in I.a except as detailed below.

b. The web site www.novaroma.org and all sites maintained by elected
or appointed magistrates as part of their duties are not considered
public fora, except for any features of the site where users other
than the maintainers of those sites may submit content for public
consumption, such as "message boards".

c. The newsletter, including any part thereof where contributions
are accepted from the public, is exempt and shall remain under the
control of the Curator Differium.




--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: R: [Nova Roma Flyers
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:19:47 -0500 (EST)

ProPraetor Franciscus Apulus Caesar;

I am not sure of your meaning when you say that you have not activated
your membership. Do you mean membership to Sodalitas Egressus??

In respect to recieving an application to either Sodalitas (Militarium
or Egressus) all that is required is to send a message to Beneficarius
Pompeia Strabo:

trog99@hotmail.com

and asked to be admitted to either or both sodalitas. The purpose of
the message is simply to determine that you want to belong, and have
thought about it. Not a big deal (Grin!!!!).

In regard to sending you a file from Egressus, I am not sure that this
Webtv hardware will let me do that. I will certainly try, but I may
have to rely upon my Beneficarius to carry out the transfer. Without
the most exellent Beneficarius and those who are on the Staffs of the
two Sodalitas of which I am the founder, I should be in even more
trouble than I normally find myself (Grin Again) Hurray for
Pompeia!!!!!!!!!!!

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens
Praefectus Fabrum -- Sodalitas Egressus -- Nova Roma

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Curator Sermonis' Powers
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:01:33 -0500

Salve Renata Corva Cantrix,

>Renata Corva Cantrix at aerdensrw@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> What do you mean, exactly, when yousay that
> the Curatrix Sermonis has no powers? Does it mean
> that she is unable to ban someone from the list for
> cause, but has to seek permission from the Praetors
> orAediles, first? Or send warnings? Or do you mean
> something else when you refer to imperium?

Renata Corva, the curator sermonis does not need to have all of her actions
verified. The curator sermonis has the power to see through with any actions
within her authority on this list. However, the current temporary
replacement is also a praetor of Nova Roma. This is a major office and with
it comes imperium over magistrates of lower authority. Technically, the
praetor could put into effect new list policies if needed, without approval
from lower offices.

>
> If the curator of the list doesn't have these powers,
> what is the point in having a curator, in the first
> place? They might as well let the list be completely
> unmoderated.

The office of curator sermonis fits into the category of vigintisexviri. The
vigintisexviri are made up of minor offices that oversee the management of
different parts of Nova Roma. In most cases the vigintisexviri are left to
their duties, although if a higher office ever wanted to influence the
vigintisexviri it would have the complete authority to do so. This rarely
takes place, the other magistrates are usually involved in other issues more
related to the specialities of their office, while the curator sermonis is
involved in her field, the management of this list.

>
> I was going to consider volunteering, as I have
> managed lists before, and I've seen a few things on
> here which wouldn't be tolerated on other lists I
> belong to.

I encourage you and any other citizens thinking about running as the new
permanent curator sermonis to pursue this. I would also be quite interested
in hearing your own ideas on what you believe to be appropriate policy on
this list.

>
> But I haven't been in NR long enough and am not
> experienced with a lot of the issues involved. And,
> if the Curator has no authority to act when people are
> causing problems, then yes, I agree, it is indeed a
> thankless position.
>

The curator sermonis has full authority over dealing with problems on this
list. She can act when ever she sees necessary. One does not need to hold
imperium to have the power to act independently. In most cases the decisions
of the curatrix sermonis is final unless a higher magistrate pronounces
intercessio (veto) on the actions made by the curator sermonis. This
however, is a very rare occurrence.

I hope this answers your questions.

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposal for List Moderation
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:44:17 -0500

Salvete Consul Marcus Octavius Germanicus et cives,

>Marcus Octavius Germanicus at haase@konoko.net wrote:
>
> II. The office of Curator Sermonis (also called Curator Sermonem) is
> hereby abolished.

I don't believe that the office of Curator Sermonis should be abolished. The
duties of a Curator Sermonis are very demanding and I believe Nova Roma
still has a place for this office.

I would however like to see some of the power taken away from the Curator
Sermonis. For example, if one was going to censor a citizen I think it would
prove useful to have censorship approved by the the praetors. However, minor
offences should not take up the valuable time of our praetors, and therefore
should be handled by a Curator Sermonis.

Instead of debating this issue, I think it would prove more useful and
productive to make a serious attempt at working on a system of translators
that work around a newly elected Curator Sermonis. The office of Curator
Sermonis is not a problem. Why get rid of something that is working? More
citizens seem to have problems with how language policy is being handled.
Thus, we should focus on what is causing discontent before eliminating an
office that is still very useful and effective in our government.

Valete,

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposal for List Moderation
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:06:09 +0100

Salve Illustrus Consul!

This proposal may be the solution of our present situation. I have
just two question at the moment.

I suppose that the Praetores must divide their duties as moderators,
will they be free to organize this or will this be regulated in the
new lex? The former Curator Sermonis had the right to appoint Scribae
to assist her in her job. Will the Praetors have the same rights and
how shall the "jurisdiction" of these Scribae appointed by both the
Praetores be regulated?

>Salvete Cives,
>
>Here is the first draft of a proposal for moderation of this list
>and other public avenues of communication. Let us debate this,
>make changes, and vote on it next month.
>
>PROPOSED LEX:
>
>I. Definitions
>
> a. "public fora" is defined as any system of communications where
> contributions from persons other than its maintainer are distributed
> or made available to other subscribers, including but not limited
> to mailing lists, real-time chat systems, web-based bulletin boards.
>
> b. "moderation" refers to exercise of powers provided by the
> software used to implement public fora to approve, reject,
> pre-screen, or delete messages, approve or reject pending
> subscribers, and perform other administrative duties.
>
> c. a "moderator" is a person with moderation abilities with
> regard to a particular public forum.
>
>II. The office of Curator Sermonis (also called Curator Sermonem) is
> hereby abolished.
>
>III. The Praetores are hereby given the powers and duties of moderators
> for all public fora sponsored by the central government of Nova Roma,
> and empowered to use all moderation features provided, subject to
> Constitutional free speech guarantees, Tribunician intercessio,
> and any leges explicitly setting list policies.
>
> The Praetores are empowered to create and enforce policies of
> acceptable behavior in the public fora.
>
>IV. Scope
>
> a. Public fora under the jurisdiction of the Praetores shall
> include the general discussion mailing list (currently
> "novaroma@yahoogroups.com"), the announcements mailing list
> (currently "novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com"), the web-based
> message board linked to from www.novaroma.org, and any chat
> system in use on www.novaroma.org, the mailing lists for all
> officially chartered sodalitates, and any other public fora
> fitting the definition in I.a except as detailed below.
>
> b. The web site www.novaroma.org and all sites maintained by elected
> or appointed magistrates as part of their duties are not considered
> public fora, except for any features of the site where users other
> than the maintainers of those sites may submit content for public
> consumption, such as "message boards".
>
> c. The newsletter, including any part thereof where contributions
> are accepted from the public, is exempt and shall remain under the
> control of the Curator Differium.
>
>
>
>
>--
>Marcus Octavius Germanicus
>Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
>Curator Araneum et Senator
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Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
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http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10

Subject:	[novaroma] The fate of famed artifacts...
From:	"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:38:29 -0500

Salvete,

I am curious is there any information regarding the fate of the Altar of
Victory, the Palladium or the Sibylline Books? Were they lost or
destroyed?

Vale,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Quaestor
Lictor Curiatus
Legate of Massachusetts
Scriba Propraetoris, Nova Britannia


ICQ# 28924742

"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." - Vegetius



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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposal for List Moderation
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:40:31 -0600 (CST)

Salve Senator Fabi,

> I suppose that the Praetores must divide their duties as moderators,
> will they be free to organize this or will this be regulated in the
> new lex?

This will be up to the Praetores. Just like any other pair of
equal magistrates (consuls, aediles, etc.) they can divide the labor
as they see fit. As both have veto power, neither can set a policy
or take a controversial action without some agreement from his
or her colleague.

> The former Curator Sermonis had the right to appoint Scribae
> to assist her in her job. Will the Praetors have the same rights and
> how shall the "jurisdiction" of these Scribae appointed by both the
> Praetores be regulated?

Praetores can already appoint scribae to help with any duties that
they have, and this new responsibility would not be any different.
The Scribae will have as much power as the Praetores are willing
to give them, and will always be subject to the supervision of
the Praetores (including veto and possible dismissal).

I suspect that the Praetores will appoint scribae to assist with
the mundane duties of list moderation, such as approving messages
from new subscribers, and will concentrate their own efforts toward
setting policies and making the more difficult decisions.

Vale, Octavius.

Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposal for List Moderation
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:45:16 -0500

Salvete Consul Marcus Octavius et cives,

>Marcus Octavius Germanicus at haase@konoko.net wrote:
>
> I suspect that the Praetores will appoint scribae to assist with
> the mundane duties of list moderation, such as approving messages
> from new subscribers, and will concentrate their own efforts toward
> setting policies and making the more difficult decisions.

Currently nothing is stopping the Praetores from being able to change list
policies. Praetores should have a say in major decisions on the list, but
why must this require the elimination of the curator sermonis? I would
rather have an elected official doing the smaller tasks than an appointed
scriba. I don't see how this will improve anything. Maybe I am missing a
vital piece of information, but to me it seems as if this proposal will
result in the elimination of a useful elected office. To replace this
elected position, we will have a bunch of appointed scriba handling the
list. Sure, policy issues would be handled by the Praetores, but there must
be another way to achieve the same result while keeping an elected official
running the more basic functions.

I agree that the curator sermonis should not have the authority to make list
policy changes. I also think that he or she should not have the authority to
censor citizens without approval from the Praetores. But why not just
rewrite the authority of the Curator Sermonis to achieve these changes?

A curator sermonis with reduced powers would still prove useful as one who
could do smaller tasks and organise a team of translators. I also feel
uneasy about the fact that under the proposal by Consul Marcus Octavius the
list will be mainly run by appointed scriba except for the odd policy change
etc. by the praetor. Even if under my idea the curator sermonis will have
very little power to make changes to the list, I would rather have an
elected official enforcing the policy than an appointed scriba with
essentially the same job as a curator sermonis.

This list is the heart of Nova Roma. All changes in policy itself and the
enforcement of this policy should be conducted by a citizen the whole
populace directly selects. Praetores need more input in the operation of
this list, I agree, but this does not mean eliminating an *elected* office
that was created to directly serve our lists to achieve this result.

Valete,

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

Subject:	[novaroma] Proposal for List Moderation: previous censorship
From:	"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@compuland.com.br>
Date:	Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:46:35 -0300

Salvete Quirites


I insist on this. Those who cared to read my last contributions to this debate won't be surprised if I state that previous control during elections is something absurdly undemocratic per se. Every measure of control should be taken afterwards, just like in democratic societies: everyone is responsible for what he or she says or writes and the governmente should not control one's statements before they are published.

I agree that the sui generis juridical status of Nova Roma exposes the board of directors to some risks, one of them co-responsabilitiy in case of law-suit for offence/slander vehiculated through the list. It is reasonnable that the directors desire to protect themselves and one of the ways, in which that can be made is previous censorship.

I am not but a humble south-american provincial, plebeius civis. So my position is nothing but self-evident: the senators have not only power and honour, but also responsibility for striving for the best for the Res Publica. And this is certainly open debate and democracy during elections.

If some Senator is not ready for taking this responsability and fears being suited in the US, I am able to substitute him or her. I don't live in the States, don't want to visit this country in the near future (hey, no offence!) and am not afraid about the juridical consequences of a suit up there.

Valete

Atticus







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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposal for List Moderation
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:28:47 -0800 (PST)

Salve Quirites,

A few points about the proposed Lex.

1. Tribunes are elected Magistrates, and they have a
list that meets the criteria for a public fora. A List
like this will be needed in the future for running the
Plebian Assembly. At any given time one or both of the
Praetors could be Patricians, so the Lex should
clearly exempt any list set up by the Tribunes for the
use of the Plebian Assembly from Modaration by the
Praetors.

2. Propraetors and Proconsuls are Magistrates apointed
by the Central Government. Section IV B can be
interparated as extending the powers of the Praetors
to Modaration of Provincial lists and chat rooms. This
needs to be clarified.

IV b. The web site www.novaroma.org and all sites
maintained by elected or appointed magistrates as part
of their duties are not considered public fora, except
for any features of the site where users other than
the maintainers of those sites may submit content for
public consumption, such as "message boards".

3. Section IV a ends with the phrase "and any other
> public fora fitting the definition in I.a except as
detailed below." This section dosen't make it clear
who decides which Fora will be under the control of
the Praetors. This could lead to some conflict in the
future. "and any other fora designated as Public by
the Senate execpt as detailed below" would be a better
ending for this section.

L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposal for List Moderation
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:37:10 -0600 (CST)

Salve Amuli Claudi,

> Currently nothing is stopping the Praetores from being able to change list
> policies.

...save for their reluctance to interfere with another magistrate.

True, the Praetores can compel the Curator to take (or refrain from
taking) an action. So can the Consuls. But doing so would generally
be badly received by the Curator. I speak from experience here,
having had a disagreement with the previous Curatrix that left
both of us unhappy with the other.

> Praetores should have a say in major decisions on the list, but
> why must this require the elimination of the curator sermonis?

I believe that decisions about list policy - and the implementation
of that policy - should be in the hands of one or more elected
magistrates with imperium. The Curator Sermonis has no imperium; he
or she cannot compel obedience or enforce his or her decisions
by any means other than using the mailing list management functions.

A Praetor, however, is a senior magistrate with imperium. Their
decisions carry the legal weight of the senior office that they
hold.

Should the Curator be a powerful and independent officer, capable
of making and enforcing decisions that may have a substantial negative
impact on a citizen, subject only to the threat of veto? Or should
they be a mere lackey, carrying out policies that others have set?

If we accept the former option, we then have a great deal of power
in the hands of a magistrate without imperium, who holds an
non-historical office. If we accept the latter option, then we
have an office with no real power, someone who does what they are
told and more.

Giving this important function to the Praetores solves this dilemna;
decisions that can severely impact a citizen's rights are made by
senior magistrates with imperium, not by junior magistrates without
imperium.

An added benefit is that there are two of them, equal in powers,
with either able to veto an action of the other. If one praetor
places a citizen on moderated status, or intercepts messages, he
can still appeal to the other for a veto.

Of course, you can appeal for a veto of a Curator's action to the
Praetores or Consules now... but we are reluctant to interfere
in someone else's area of responsibility unless there is a clear
and overriding reason to. With the Praetores directly responsible
for the list themselves, there will not be this reluctance - they
are not interfering, they are fulfilling the duties already assigned
to them.

> To replace this elected position, we will have a bunch of appointed
> scriba handling the list.

Those scriba would be working directly under the Praetores' supervision
and would consult their superiors for anything but the most trivial
decisions.

> Sure, policy issues would be handled by the Praetores, but there must
> be another way to achieve the same result while keeping an elected official
> running the more basic functions.

If the Praetores are setting the policy then there is little difference
between that Curator and a scriba, except that he cannot be removed
from office as easily. Why have an elected official with no real power?

> I agree that the curator sermonis should not have the authority to make list
> policy changes. I also think that he or she should not have the authority to
> censor citizens without approval from the Praetores. But why not just
> rewrite the authority of the Curator Sermonis to achieve these changes?

If this person has little more power than a scriba, why not just
call them that?

> This list is the heart of Nova Roma.

I certainly agree. That's why I think it should be placed directly
under the supervision of senior magistrates with imperium.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposal for List Moderation
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:38:37 -0600 (CST)

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:

> A few points about the proposed Lex.

Good points, all of them; I will make these changes.

Vale, O.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Hail and well met!!
From:	"Fl. Claudius Salix Davianus Iul." <davius_sanctex@terra.es>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:08:44 -0000

Ave David, welcome to this list.

>>I an amateur historian and new adherant to the sport of reenactment.<<

If you are seriously interested in history of Rome and other contemporary peoples, I recommend you SVR_Histo a list of www.topica.com

This main list is dead from the point view of cultural or discussional purposes. As a major magistrate of this republic I am very shamed of the low level of interesting discussion of this list. For cultural purposes it is more recomendable this another reenactment group: http://www.societasviaromana.yucom.be/
(You can subscribe for a few weeks both lists and you will decide)

>>I live in Warren, Mi with my wife and young daughter. If it is possible, I would be interested in joining a local group. Any information you could provide would be appreciated. Thank you.<<

But leaving aside my comments about this list, I say yo that cultural or historical posts are extremely welcomed / welcame in this list. Indeed we need more cultural discussion and less political discussion.
If you are interested in some specific area, please feel free to speak about, ask, answer or simply mention it.

===========================
Fl. Cl. Salix Davianus Iul.
Tribunus Plebis Novae Romae
Legatus Internis Rebus Hispaniae
Senator ac Rector Societatis Viae Romanae


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Subject:	[novaroma] Numerius Cassius Niger Novoramanis Omnibus S.P.D.
From:	"n_cassius_niger" <menippus@attbi.com>
Date:	Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:27:54 -0000

Numerius Cassius Niger Novoramanis Omnibus S.P.D.

Salvete omnes! Ego civem novum et volo me vobis introducere. Viginti
quinque annos natus et Mamucii quod in regione Neohantoniensi
Provinciae Nova Britannia est habito. Illo grammatodidascalus sum.
Felix sum esse civem Novae Romae et spero conficere nostrae urbi res
gestae magnae. Spero quoque docere et discere et si fortuna mecum
est fortasse inveniam puellam pulchram quae amat omnes res Romanae.

Greetings everyone! I'm a new citizen and I would like to introduce
myself. I'm 25 years old and live in Manchester, N.H. in Nova
Britannia, where I'm a high school English teacher. I am pleased to
be a citizen of Nova Roma and I hope to accomplish many great deeds
for our city. I also hope to teach and learn from you, and perhaps,
if I am lucky, meet a beautiful woman who loves all things
Roman. ;)


Si vales, valeo.
N. Cassius Niger
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Citizen Deaths---Memorial
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:07:35 -0000

Salvete,

Well, it seems there has been some interest in a memorial page
since the initial post. I like the idea of a dual page to record
births as well.

Is this something one of us can do or would it be better form for
the Senate to establish such a page?

Nerva

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: FW Yahoo Spam attack
From:	Gnaeus Marius <gnmariusasia@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:41:12 -0800 (PST)

Salve,
--- Michael Cessna <tdoffclinkerbuilt@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >>
> The below was fwd'd by a friend from another list
> I'm
> on. You'll need to go to 'Options' first, THEN go to
> the 'Account Info' link.........
>
> Cn Marius A
> >>
> --- Alan C wrote:
> > FYI
> >
> >
> > >Important! If you don't want to receive a lot of
> > Spam from
> > > advertisers, please note the following:
> > >
> > > Yahoo has revised its privacy policy. Your
> former
> > preferences have
> > > now been changed. You will need to reset them.
> > Here's how.
> > >
> > > After logging in to Yahoo, click the tab at the
> > top of the page that
> > > says "Account Info." Enter your password. When
> > that page opens,
> > > scroll to just under your listed email
> addresses.
> > Then click on
> > > "Edit Marketing Preferences."
> > >
> > > When that page opens, you'll see that Yahoo has
> > set each option to
> > > YES (please send me spam). You'll need to click
> on
> > each and every
> > > option to change it to NO. Near the bottom of
> the
> > page, be sure to
> > > check NO about phone and postal delivery of
> > advertising. then
> > > click "Save changes."
> > >
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Proposal for List Moderation
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:21:06 -0000

Salve Germanicus,

I like it. It makes more sense that the Praetors should take care of
these lists.

My only suggestion is that the Constitutional free speech guarantee be
stressed more. While conversations can easily go off-topic and
become "non-Roman related", the Constitution as currently written
allows for this, barring only speech which presents a 'clear and present
danger' to the Republic. And while I personally would not care to see
conversations about Brittany Spears or the Super Bowl, until the
Constituion is changed, such must be a possibility and allowed.

I also like the mention of tribunician veto as a check.

Gaius Cassius Nerva

Subject:	[novaroma] KDE translation to Latin - II
From:	Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
Date:	28 Mar 2002 20:59:41 -0300

Salve,

reporting the progress of the KDE translation:
several people have volunteered to help, not enough but it is a
beginning.

I established a web-site for this project:

http://qt1.iq.usp.br/latim

There you will find the files to translate and a statstic of how
much was already translated.

I am also about to put there a Computer Science - Latin vocabulary
in order for us to use all the same neologisms. I will do this
from the little I have already translated, it is up to critiscism
in order to improve it.

I would say, we are able top freely modify it until reaching the first
goal : complete translation of kdelibs.po (~2500 extremely small
sentences of the type: Open File). After that it would be fine
to freeze it and use it for the remainder of the work.

Salve,

Manius Villius Limitanus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Latin (N. Cassius Niger M. Minucio Audenti Proconsuli Perillustrissimo S.P.D
From:	"n_cassius_niger" <menippus@attbi.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:49:38 -0000

N. Cassius Niger M. Minucio Audenti Proconsuli Perillustrissimo
S.P.D./Greetings to the most illustrious Proconsul M. Minucius
Audens!

I, myself, have been self-studying Latin for over two years now. I
believe you have made a wise choice to use more than one text in
which to teach yourself. Might I recommend you supplement your texts
with audio as well? I say this because some people's learning styles
are suited toward auditory mediums as opposed to visual or
kinesthetic mediums. One audio text I have used is "Teach Yourself
Beginner's Latin (With Audio) by George Sharpley," which can be
found at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/065802163X/qid=1017372556/sr=1
-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-7282982-3679155

By reading along with the audiotape you will convey the information
to your brain through two pathways, the audio and the visual. (Can
you tell I currently am going for my Master's in Education? :) )

If I may so bold as to recommend a Nova Britannia local resource for
learning Latin? Boston University has an Intensive Latin course
taught by the very famous Classics scholar Dr. Carl A.P Ruck. He
uses his own text and teaching methods that are designed to have the
student learn quickly how to read ancient texts idiomatically,
without "dumbing it down" as some courses do. I had the privilege to
take this course and I found it to be one of the best courses I have
ever taken in my post-graduate career. If you are interested in this
course, you may find out more information here...
http://www.bu.edu/summer/courses/classical-studies.html

In tuo studio, fortunam tibi venire volo/I wish you luck in your
studies!

N. Cassius Niger

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Hail and well met!!
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:39:53 -0600 (CST)

Salve Tribune,

> This main list is dead from the point view of cultural or
> discussional purposes. As a major magistrate of this republic I am
> very shamed of the low level of interesting discussion of this list.

As a major magistrate, I suggest that you work to improve Nova Roma
rather than publically disparage it and promote our competition.
Your behavior is shameful and unbefitting the office that you
were entrusted with.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Numerius Cassius Niger Novoramanis Omnibus S.P.D.
From:	"n_cassius_niger" <menippus@attbi.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:01:44 -0000

I am utterly confused as to how a message I sent 4 days ago arrives
in this group after I repost the same message (with spelling
corrections, of course. :) ) a day later. The inner workings of
Yahoo! will always remain a mystery to me.

In interturbatione

N. Cassius Niger

Subject:	[novaroma] Subject: Legio Lacus Magni?
From:	"barbarrosa66" <barbarrosa66@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:26:51 -0000

I, an applicant-citizen, of plebian rank, humbly petition the noble
representatives of the leadership of Provincia Lacus Magni to allow
the common folk to serve the Republic in a locally run Legio, for
those of us who enjoy all things Roman and military, by the ghost of
Caesar!
Your humble servant will endeavor with his own availible strength and
resources to build the Legio into an elite force worthy of the
title "Legio Lacus Magni"! I await your decision and harken in
obedience.
signed,
Flavius Cordius Sulla


P.S. if this is improper procedure, some one should correct my
thoughts with patience for I am new to NovaRoma...

Subject:	[novaroma] Roman sites in Germania
From:	"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@compuland.com.br>
Date:	Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:32:34 -0300

Salvete Quirites


I don't know if this information was given here or somewhere else, but anyway I would apreciate any help.
I remember having read about a German site which linked every Roman ruins, villas etc inside Germany. Does anyone know about it?

Vale!

Atticus


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