| Subject: |
[novaroma] Round the Bays 2002 plus stuff for NZ civies. |
| From: |
"Devry, Mark (Packaging House Auckland)" |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:26:39 +1200 |
|
Salvete Citizens,
Yesterday (Sunday the 24th March) saw the running of the 30th annual
Round the Bays fun run. This is an 8.4km course from Quay street on
Aucklands waterfront along the waterfront to St Helliers, this years run was
attended by 80,000 people and opened by our Macronation Prime Minister, the
Rt Hon Helen Clarke, so as you can see it is a big event!
This Year Nova Roma was represented by Decima Cornelia Salviana and
myself. I took the opportunity to perform the March in full Legionair field
kit - complete with Lorica Segmentata. I have to admit that it was a
beautifil day, cloudless sky and a lovely 24 degrees Centergrade.
Unfortunately I was far too hot to appreciete it where as Decima who was
doing the run in more suitable attaire had no such problems!
The march went well until the 6.4km mark when two straps on the back
plates pulled free of the rivits holding them to the plate and that left the
whole set hanging from one strap on the right side of the armour. This
caused some problems, many thanks to Decima who kindly carried my pack for
the remainder of the course while I held my armour in place.
We finished the course in 2 hours and 2 minutes - just outside of my
goal of 2 hours flat, so we were pretty pleased.
We were rewarded that night by a brief appearance on TV3 National
News (one of two channels that have a National News Show), but more
importantly was the interest generated by people at the run who wanted to
know more about Roman times, good advertising for both our Local Legion and
Nova Roma.
This easter is also a big weekend for Romans in Nova Zealand, with
the annual Piohongana Valley Easter Camp where re-enactors of all times come
and get together for feasting, workshops and combat. We have seven members
of Leg II Avgvsta attending this year which is very pleasing.
Also we are pleased to be associated with a new re-enactment group
in New Zealand - the Household of Du Glonn - which is developing a strong
emphasis on on learning historical crafts as well as combat. I have just
applied for my novice grade in fletching and hope to move up to my
apprentice grade soon! While not solely Roman, they are open to all
periods, they have alot to offer in terms of knowledge of times antiquity,
and the people who have set this club up are very welcoming to all. If
anyone in New Zealand is interested in this club, their email address is
'katidid@ihug.co.nz' - attention Constance and Baxton Du Glonn.
But wait there's more!
I will be in London from the 8th June for approxomately a week, and
then I will be in the Netherlands for a week before returning to England for
a further indefinate period. I would love to meet anyone who is interested
in getting together, please email me.
That is it - Sorry for putting so much in one email.
I remain,
A servant of the Republic,
Marcus Sentius Accipiter
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Proposal for List Moderation |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:53:07 -0500 |
|
Salve Consul Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
You have made many good points in your reply to my last message concerning
this topic. I can clearly see how these changes could benefit Nova Roma in
theory. I am mainly concerned about how this may be applied in reality. I am
concerned that there may be a possibility of scriba being invested with too
much power for an apointed position.
We can all clearly see that the job of running this list can get quite
"messy" at times, and in my view, is one of the hardest jobs here in Nova
Roma. It would be just too easy to appoint scriba to do the majority of the
work, such as choosing when a citizen needs to be censored, or when action
needs to be taken against one for disobeying list policy. I am not saying
our current Praetores may do this. I have great faith in their abilities,
although we cannot guarantee what types of praetores we may get in the
future.
I do not want to see scriba invested with the power to censor or pursue
major offences in list policy. They are not elected by the people, and
therefore should not be invested with this power by anyone but the people of
Nova Roma. They should only be given jobs that cannot be obviously abused. I
can only feel comfortable with this proposal if we define what types of
powers can be given to a scriba by a praetor.
Managing this list is obviously a demanding job, but so is being a praetor.
Scriba would be needed to make management of this list possible, and I fear
a scenario where a future praetor may give a little too much authority to an
appointed magistrate. For this proposal to be secure, we must define exactly
what is to be done by whom and who has the authority to do it.
Vale,
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--
>Marcus Octavius Germanicus at haase@konoko.net wrote:
>
> ...save for their reluctance to interfere with another magistrate.
>
> True, the Praetores can compel the Curator to take (or refrain from
> taking) an action. So can the Consuls. But doing so would generally
> be badly received by the Curator. I speak from experience here,
> having had a disagreement with the previous Curatrix that left
> both of us unhappy with the other.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] "Dead" List--I don't think so!!!!! |
| From: |
MarcusAudens@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:53:38 -0500 (EST) |
|
Magistrate Davianus;
I have criticized your comments before, and I was corrected by your
countrymen and your friends as not being aware of you as someone who
was not familiar with a second language, and as someone who was
exrtremely active in forwarding the goals of Nova Roma. our recent
behavior on the Main List makes those coments ring somewhat hollow
indeed!!!!!! Personnally, I do not see anything but another gadfly,
unwilling to conform to the accepted laws voted by the Citizens of NR,
and a Magistrate who does not possess the values of NR at heart, in
sufficient degree not to criticize her in a shameful and excessive
manner.
However, I must say that your assertions that the Main List is "dead"
does not reflect my own efforts in the past, nor the efforts of others
to ameliorate the political clack to be found there to which you
yourself have been known to contribute.
As a Magistrate, perhaps you should again read the Oath that you took to
support Nova Roma. Your words and recommendations seem to be more
suited to someone who is attempting to tear down NR rather than to build
it up. Certainly your flagrant recruiting for another list is not what
I would expect of an elected Magistrate of your position. I must
certainly agree with the Honored Senior Consul, in that the only thing I
see as shameful is indeed your public comment about the NR Main List and
your urging of a new NR Citizen to go somewhere else for his cultural
growth.
Marcus Minucius Audens
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: With Sadness |
| From: |
"luciuspompeius" <danielovi@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:56:21 -0000 |
|
I wish to express sincerely my condolences for this very sad moment
for him.
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
--- In novaroma@y..., "pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@h...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
>
> I have received word from Senator Cato that his father passed on
> yesterday morning at approximately 5 am EST.
>
> This situation is most certainly a rough road; when I look at my
> relationship with my own father...how he has positively influenced
my
> life and outlook, his support, his humour, his love, I can gather
> atleast a partial glimpse of how Senator Cato and family must be
> feeling right now.
>
> I thought it appropriate to make the community aware of this turn
of
> events.
>
> May our thoughts, prayers and offerings continue to be with Cato
and
> his family during this difficult time.
>
> Bene valete,
> Pompeia Cornelia
>
>
> B
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Legion XXIV Vicesima Quarta Newsletter April 2002 |
| From: |
Legion XXIV <legionxxiv@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:32:07 -0500 |
|
VICESIMA QUARTA NEWSLETTER APRIL 2002
LEGION XXIV MEDIA ATLANTIA
Defending the Frontiers of Ancient Rome
in the Mid-Atlantic Province of North America
Avete et Salutatio Commilito / nis
Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas
George W. Metz Praefectus / Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073
legionxxiv@comcast.net 610-353-4982
www.legionxxiv.org
CALL TO ARMS
Legion XXIV and the Ludus Magnus Gladiatore - Our Great School of the Gladiator
is preparing to kick-off the 2002 (2755 AUC) reenacting season.
Our First Event will be the Tenth Annual "Marching Thru Time", Saturday and Sunday,
11am - 5pm on April 13 & 14 in Glenn Dale, MD, at the Marietta House Mansion
Museum, a 25 acre estate which was the home of and office of Gabriel Duvall,
an associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court from 1811-1834.
We appear to have a good turn-out commitment for this event. Our new gladiator couple,
Paul Turner and Lesie Kurt will not be with us; but we look forward to the addition of
Howard Abbondondelo, our "Lanistae in training" and our newest fighter "Gladiatore
Ordinarrii" Peter Santamaria. We regret that our esteemed Senator Marcus Minicius
Audens, aka James Mathews, cannot attend; so Howard will be called upon to step up
and fill a big pair of caligae as "Lansitae Secundum" and we know he will do a fine job
(or be handed over to the crowd, who will no doubt tear him to pieces!)
On Saturday at "MTT" (Rome to Desert Storm), we will hold our first "Unit Meeting".
So any questions, comments, suggestions or criticisms may all be properly raised then.
Please bring as much of your own gear as possible, military or gladiatorial, although
there will be the usual spare gear on hand.
We hope to conduct our own on-site workshop to critique gear and sort out any stuff
that may not be up to standards. However, authentic or not, better to have the gear
with you at the event than not.
We ask that you bring your own soft drinks or snacks. The Unit Cooler will be available
for storage under a period canvas cover. Up to now, the few of us from Legion XXIV
have availed ourselves of the hospitality and generous drink and snacks of Matt Amt
and Legion XX. As our numbers grow we should try to provide these things for ourselves.
Suppliers with lots of Roman "goodies" helmets, swords, tunica and other gear will be in
attendance at MTT and Roman Days; so be sure to bring lots of "denari"
(or dollars or credit cards).
No vehicles will be allowed onto the site after 9am and must be off-site by 10am.
Please arrive prior to 9am to unload at the camp site. Some of us are camping out at the
Red Roof Inn, just north of Exit 20 of the Beltway I-95/495, on Annapolis Road, Lanham,
Maryland, 4 miles from Marietta. Contact them at 301-731-8830 about $80 per night.
John Ebel, Maximus, our Palus Primus, will be camping on-site Friday and Saturday.
He may be taking in guests?
Other upcoming events, with directions at the bottom of this posting, are:
May 4 - 5, 2002 Universal Soldier Time Line Encampment - Fort Washington Park - Rt 210 south of Washington-DC
May 25-26, 2002 Quest at the Barony of Settmour Swamp, Flemington, NJ SCA competition,
singing and story telling around the campfire on Saturday evening, Puzzle "Quest" on Sunday.
Legion XXIV will be there to uphold the reputation of Rome among the barbarians.
June 8 - 9, 2002 "Roman Days" Encampment , Marietta Mansion, Rt 193, N of Rt 450, Glen Dale, MD. All-Rome * All-Day * Gladiator Exhibition, Field Tactics, Roman Olympics, NovaRoma Gathering.
August 3 -4, 2002 Multi-Period Time Line Event, Fort Malden, Amherstburg Ontario, opposite Detroit.
August 14 > 17, 2002 Pennsic War 31, The Great Battle between the Kingdoms of the East and the Middle; Rts I-79 & US-422, New Castle, PA Displaying the presence of Ancient Rome.
October 12-13, 2002 Marching Through Time - Memory Town, Mt. Pocono, PA, Rt 611 off I-80 or I-380
October ??, 2002 Roman Demonstration, Univ-PA Museum Archaeology, Philadelphia
ROMAN FRANCE, GERMANY & ENGLAND TOUR JULY 26 - AUGUST 15, 2002
Depart Dullas (Wash-DC) to Heathrow -London - Visit Cologne, Kalkreise (Tueterburger Vald 9AD), Saalburg Fort, St.Germain Museum, Celtic Theme Park, Caesar's Alesia, Paris, Dover, Chester, Three days along Hadrian's Wall - London to Dullas - $2,250 or $1,600 with own air fare - $250 deposit due now
If you are considering this tour you must act now! Contact Robert Garbisch -
224 Masonic Drive - Vallejo CA 94591 - 707-557-4188 fireman_bob1@juno.com
The Commander regrets that due to other commitments and the Roman Tour, he will
not be attending "Military Soldier" in May or Fort Malden and Pennsic in August.
Check our Website. It has links to other reenactment Roman Legions worldwide,
Historical Sources and Suppliers. Pages deal with Standards & Guidelines,
Equipment, Weapons and Armor. Extensive Timeline, Glossary and Photo
Gallery Thru Time. Other pages deal with the History of Rome and its Legions,
Gladiatorial Combat and the Colosseum. Check it Out!
Thanking you for your continued interest in Legion XXIV,
I manere in Viresium et Honorare
I remain in Strength and Honor
(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Republica
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire
Gallio / George
Directions to Settmour Swamp:
The site is located on the Neshanic Station Fire Dept. picnic
grove, corner of River Rd and Elm St, Neshanic Station NJ.
Take Rt. 206 to county Rd 514 [Amwell Rd] in Hillsborough.
If you are coming from the north turn right onto Rt 514, if you are
coming from the south turn left.
Stay on Rt 514 for about 8 miles until you come to a 3-way intersection at a
large white Church.
Turn right onto Rt 567 [River Rd]. A mile or so down the road turn left and
go across a white metal girder bridge (Elm St).
The site is just across the bridge on the right.
Rt 206 can be reached from routes I-287 and US-22 from the
north and from routes I-95/295, and I-195 from the south.
>From Rt 202 North -- Past Flemington Circle, 5.7 miles to
right turn at "Neshanic" sign. South 2 miles to jct with Rt 567.
Continue on Rt 567, 1 mile under RR bridge to white truss
bridge on the right.
Right turn across bridge to campground on the right.
Directions to Marietta Mansion: 5626 Bell Station Rd., Glenn Dale, MD 20769.
301-464-5291.
>From I-95/495, the Capital Beltway, take Exit 20 onto Rt. 450 East, go 4 miles,
turn left on Rt. 193, then left onto Bell Station Rd. and a 1000 feet to left into
Marietta (or follow the signs to the parking area).
Directions to Fort Washington: 301-736-4600
>From I-95/495 the Capital Beltway, take Rt. 210 Indian Head Highway South;
go about 4 miles and turn right at the light onto Fort Washington Road,
which ends about 3.5 miles later at the park entrance.
301-763-4600.
Directions to Memory Town - March Thru Time 570-839-1680
Your best route to east or west on I-80, to north on I-380, to Exit 8 "PA Rt 940"
East into Mount Pocono and south on US 611, approx. half a mile thru town and under railroad bridge.
Go 75 yards past railroad bridge to Grange Road on the left.
Left onto Grange Road to Memory Town.
Rt 611 north may be used from I-80 Exit 45; in which case Grange Road will be
approx. 3.5 miles on your right and if you go under the railroad you went too far.
570-839-1680 Motel
Directions to Fort Malden, Amherstburg, Ontario 519-736-5416
Your best route to I-75 into Detroit, MI.
Take exit-47 for Ambassador Bridge into Canada.
Continue thru Customs onto Huron Church Road thru several traffic lights
to Exit Left onto E.C.Row Expressway.
Proceed west on the E.C.Row; which will become Ojibway Parkway and
Route 18, after 90 degree left-hand curve.
Continue south on Route 18 which becomes River Front Road, for 18 kl
into Amherstburg. Fort is one block to the right (west) behind high school.
Blue Haven Motel 519-736-5404
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Hail and well met!! |
| From: |
MarcusAudens@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:45:31 -0500 (EST) |
|
Ave David, and all other new Citizens and hopeful Citizens of Nova Roma;
Welcome to Nova Roma!!!
I am the Praefectus Castorum of the Sodalitas Miitarium and the
Praefectus Fabrum of the Sodalitas Egressus. The Militarium is devoted
to the study of Roman Military subjects and we welcome your application
to join our number. The Egressus is devoted to Roman outreach
throughout our provinces through the efforts of our members, and also
welcomes your inspection and application.
The procedure, for both sodalitas', is simple, simply write a message to
Beneficarius Pompeia Srabo;
trog99@hotmail.com
and ask to be placed on the Militarium or Egressus list (or both). Be
sure to mention my personal invitation.
By way of information, as a Citizen of Nova Roma you are certainly
allowed to investigate any sources that you wish to, to become more
familiar with Roman Culture. I too, am a student here, and learn
something new each and every day on our Main List which is our major
communication link. There are a variety of interesting efforts being
undertaken here, including novel writing, religious exploration,
discussion of the Roman Virtues, and always the discussion of famous
Roman personages, and events. Some of these tiopics are undertaken on
suppementary lists, and some on the Main List. There is an Academia,
and a newsletter, "The Eagle," and the Macellum which is a collection of
Roman based businesses, serving the Citizens of NR. There is the NR
website which is an extensive disussion of who and what we are, and the
Main List archives which will give you some idea of how we have arrived
at where we are. There are also links to be found there to the web
sites of various Legios, Sodalitas, and other organizations of Roman
interest. As you can see there is much here besides a "Dead" list. I
hope you will not take that erroneus description to heart.
To be sure there is a significant political signature on this list, for
it is here that the ideas of the Citizens are put forward and discussed.
Since every citizen has ideas about some aspect of Roman Life it is a
rich and interesting tapestry of ideas, claims and counter-ideas.
Generally speaking, the only people who may find this list "dead" are
those who do not or cannot, for whatever reason, appeciate the value of
another's views, ideas or comments. There is currently a contest in
poetry or prose going on relating to a Roman Festival (harvest, Punic
Wars, and religion) which is very interesting and is being put on by my
special friend Senator Quintillianus, whom I recommend to you as a
gentleman of the first class. I am myself involved in three additional
long term activiies having to do with weapon research, archaelogical
research, and cultural improvement, in addition to being in charge of
the Sodalitas Militarium and Egressus, and the Province Nova Britannia.
Any or all of which, I invite you to investigate and participate in at
your desire. I also have the honor to be an Associate Member of Legio
XX (as a Miles Immunes--gromaciti (military surveyor), a member of Legio
XXIV ( as a Tribune Architecturas -- engineer), and a member of Legio VI
(as an honorary Legate Archtecturas / Geographica-- engineer and
cartographer) and a member of the Ludi Magna Gladitore (Great School of
the Gladiator------as a Lanistae / Senator and Part owner).
So, as you can see, there is much here in NR to do, and see, and I have
covered only the portions that I am most familiar with. If I may assist
you in any way further, I should be pleased to do so, and try not to
take too seriously the remarks of the new Magistrate Davianus to NR. He
is opioniated, not given much to listening to another's views, and tends
on occasion to mistake his duties here in NR.
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Proconsul, et Senator and Quaestor.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Proposal for List Moderation |
| From: |
"pjane64" <pcassia@janeraeburn.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:14:32 -0000 |
|
> True, the Praetores can compel the Curator to take (or refrain from
> taking) an action. So can the Consuls. But doing so would generally
> be badly received by the Curator. I speak from experience here,
> having had a disagreement with the previous Curatrix that left
> both of us unhappy with the other.
In my previous experience in the job, I considered myself subject to
the authority of the Consuls and the Senate. I did not consider myself
subject to the Praetors.
I am intrigued by this proposal, as it gives the Praetors much more
rigorous duties than had previously been required of them, and thus
will give the voters greater experience of the people who serve in this
job. If they do so successfully (that is, maintaining order while
facilitating communication), they will presumably be that much more
qualified to hold higher offices in NR.
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] List topics (was Hail and well met!) |
| From: |
"pjane64" <pcassia@janeraeburn.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:17:31 -0000 |
|
> This main list is dead from the point view of cultural or discussional purposes.
If you feel this way, Salix, you have in your hands the power to change
the situation! Simply post on historical or cultural topics, perhaps
asking questions or reporting new discoveries to stimulate discussion.
Anyone who feels the same way, feel free to start or contribute to such
discussions, which are very welcome here.
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Round the Bays 2002 plus stuff for NZ civies. |
| From: |
"pjane64" <pcassia@janeraeburn.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:22:39 -0000 |
|
>I took the opportunity to perform the March in full Legionair field
> kit - complete with Lorica Segmentata.
That's wonderful, Marcus Sentius! Congratulations on completing the
course! The legions would be proud. Good luck with your publicity
efforts in New Zealand!
I like the idea of running in armor as a way of publicizing a re-
enactment legion. Very clever!
Patricia Cassia, a long, long way from New Zealand
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Proposal for List Moderation |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:24:38 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salve Patricia Cassia,
> I am intrigued by this proposal, as it gives the Praetors much more
> rigorous duties than had previously been required of them, and thus
> will give the voters greater experience of the people who serve in this
> job. If they do so successfully (that is, maintaining order while
> facilitating communication), they will presumably be that much more
> qualified to hold higher offices in NR.
Indeed, that was something I considered when writing this proposal.
Although the Praetores (this year's as well as their predecessors )
are very active on the Senate list, where they provide legal opinions
and ensure that things are done properly, that work is not visible to
citizens outside the Senate.
This lex would greatly increase the Praetores' visibility, making them
well known to all citizens on the lists they would administer. Then,
when we all cast our votes for next year's Consuls or Censores, many
citizens will know the Praetores much better than they would otherwise.
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: The fate of famed artifacts... |
| From: |
"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:38:55 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@y..., "C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@s...> wrote:
> Salvete,
Salve,
> I am curious is there any information regarding the fate of the
>Altar of Victory, the Palladium or the Sibylline Books? Were they
>lost or destroyed?
The fate of the first two is unknown though one can speculate, the
last was mostly destroyed, though fragments have survived into the
present day.
In the 4th Century the Altar of Victory was removed from and put back
into the Senate several times until its likely final removal in 394
during the reign of Theodosius. What happened to it after that is a
mystery from what I have been able to determine. At first it was
probably put into storage in or near the senate curia. Likely it
remained there for a number of years, even decades until it appeared
certain it was not going to be returned to its place of honor in the
senate. I have 3 theories as to what happened to it at that point: 1.
it may have been destroyed at the instigation of some overzealous
Christian senators or officials, since the Ara Victoriae represented,
more than any other item, pagan Rome personified; 2. It may have
been moved to the private residence of one of remaining members of
the pagan senatorial aristocracy or a sympathetic Christian senator
who wished to save it for the future and love of art and history.
>From there it may have been buried for posterity, fell into ruin
through years of neglect or turned into building material by the
family's descendants who did not appreciate what was in their
possession ; 3. Or it may have stayed in senate storage until being
taken out and broken into pieces for building material for a wall or
new structure, as many ancient artifacts and buildings were that were
no longer wanted.
Which scenario is most likely? Least likely I think is option 1. The
Christians of Rome did not display the destructiveness of those
elsewhere, such as in Alexandria. Neglect and barbarians did more
damage than religious zealots. Still, it is a possibiltity. I am a
romantic and like to think option two is what happened, that some
pagan or Christian senatorial family saved the Ara Victoriae on their
property and that eventually it was buried to preserve it or protect
it. I am optimistic and hope that it will be found intact. However,
realistically I am just as inclined to go with option 3, that it was
taken out and used for building material for a new structure, or even
for road material. If this is the case then it is possible that the
pieces will be found through archelogical excavation and pieced
together, as has happened with some artifacts. This is all
speculation, however.
I am less versed as to what happened to the Palladium. Due to its
size it could easily have been destroyed or overlooked. I have heard
that possibly Constantine had it moved to Constantinople when he
founded that city. If it was moved there and if it survived the
iconoclasm of the 7th and 8th centuries, it is not likely to have
survived the destructiveness of the Turks in 1453.
As for the Sibylline books, the books consulted in Rome, stored in a
temple on the Palatine as I recall, were destroyed in the late
4th/early 5th century. Some 14 books of Sibylline prediction survive,
mixed with Christian interpretations, predictions and additions.
Christian and older pagan material is mixed together in these books.
Hopefully someone else can shed more light on these for you as I am
not as familair with them.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Senator Consularis
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Proposal for List Moderation and other subjects |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:19:19 EST |
|
Salvete.
First off the Praetores of Rome are not the Attorney General of the United
States.
Second, they have nothing to do with list policies, that remains in the hands
of the Consules and Senate. That was the way it has always been here in Nova
Roma, and I am at a loss to see why you would change it.
The real job of the Praetores were two fold. One was to interpret Roman law
for the Senate, so the Senate would understand if their SCs were infringing
on the legal rights as defined by the State, the second was the senior
Praetor, the one of the city, was to take over when the Consules were away
campaigning from Rome. He could also lead the army if it was 1/2 a consular
force i.e., one Roman, and one Socii, legio.
Later under Marius and certainly Cornelius Sulla the number was increased by
eight, this was for administrating the increasing number of Roman provinces.
Livius tells us the Senate voted to turn cases over to be prosecuted by the
Praetor Urbanus. However the Latin here is misleading. Livius also
indicates that the Consules could prosecute, but usually they were too busy
to do so. Hence, it fell to the Praetor by default.
Our consules here are not that busy.
What people seem not to realize, is the laws of the republic and the court
system up to Sulla was rather ad hoc. Anybody could prosecute and anybody
could act as advocate. You just had to put up a sum of money covering the
fine. This was to eliminate frivolous law suits.
If anybody would be in charge of the list since it is a part of the main
structure of Rome, it would be the Aediles. I already made a long post to
that effect earlier in the week. I noticed how everybody read it. Ah well,
as Virgilus once said "Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit."
Lucas Marius, the first curator, drew her authority from the Senate. In fact
when she resigned she tendered her resignation to the Senate.
Marcus Minucius and myself set it up in our consulship that the appointed
curator drew her imperium from the consules and Senate of Rome compared to
Lucas Marius who drew her authority from the Senate alone. However that
edict is no longer in effect, since the coming of Vedia. Yet, she pretty
much retained the framework of the original, she just refined it somewhat.
Her main weapon was still the sanction, and she set forth guidelines in the
use. Citizens were forewarned what to expect if they violated the list terms.
The Senate and the consules could step in and stop anything extreme if the
curator got "drunk with power." In fact the one time a Praetor did attempt
to impose a law on the list, Minucius was forced to veto it. The system
works. In short I really have to stop and ask why is the Senior consul
constantly rewriting the constitution? Why this constant cacoethes carpendi?
Now we are about to lose two Rogators because they haven't paid their taxes,
and the Roman government will be paralyzed for weeks as a result. Why can't
the consules pay the money because it is in their best interest to maintain
the status quo? Isn't that why we the people elected them the consules? To
run our government?
Finally, about the people who are disappointed in this list content. You
have no one to blame but yourselves. I and the other Senators of Rome are
not your baby-sitters. Invita Minerva! I posted an article on archeological
evidence about the changing of the design of the Forum of Trajan and nothing
has been heard on the subject since. OK not interesting...so come up with
something else, Romans!
And a Tribune of the Plebs should not disparage the forum of his nation in
public. In private, sure. But not in public. Your oath should have
reminded you of that. In fact I do believe you owe the Plebeians that
elected you a public apology.
I want to take this opportunity to wish all the Christians here a most joyous
Easter. I am going to see my family whom I have not seen in a year. I will
return Tues.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: The fate of famed artifacts... |
| From: |
Scipio Apollonius <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:41:32 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve,
I have found in the Roma-rcheologia (italian version)
a picture of an altar of victory (basamento della
Vittoria, Musei Capitolini)
I have a picture of it. Although, I am quite sure that
several of such altars did exist, I do not know if
this one is the one you mentionned.
I guess this one was dedicated for the victory of
Marius over Jugurta.
Salve,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
--- deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net> wrote:
> --- In novaroma@y..., "C. Minucius Hadrianus"
> <shinjikun@s...> wrote:
> > Salvete,
>
> Salve,
>
>
> > I am curious is there any information regarding
> the fate of the
> >Altar of Victory, the Palladium or the Sibylline
> Books? Were they
> >lost or destroyed?
>
> The fate of the first two is unknown though one can
> speculate, the
> last was mostly destroyed, though fragments have
> survived into the
> present day.
>
> In the 4th Century the Altar of Victory was removed
> from and put back
> into the Senate several times until its likely final
> removal in 394
> during the reign of Theodosius. What happened to it
> after that is a
> mystery from what I have been able to determine. At
> first it was
> probably put into storage in or near the senate
> curia. Likely it
> remained there for a number of years, even decades
> until it appeared
> certain it was not going to be returned to its place
> of honor in the
> senate. I have 3 theories as to what happened to it
> at that point: 1.
> it may have been destroyed at the instigation of
> some overzealous
> Christian senators or officials, since the Ara
> Victoriae represented,
> more than any other item, pagan Rome personified; 2.
> It may have
> been moved to the private residence of one of
> remaining members of
> the pagan senatorial aristocracy or a sympathetic
> Christian senator
> who wished to save it for the future and love of art
> and history.
> From there it may have been buried for posterity,
> fell into ruin
> through years of neglect or turned into building
> material by the
> family's descendants who did not appreciate what was
> in their
> possession ; 3. Or it may have stayed in senate
> storage until being
> taken out and broken into pieces for building
> material for a wall or
> new structure, as many ancient artifacts and
> buildings were that were
> no longer wanted.
>
> Which scenario is most likely? Least likely I think
> is option 1. The
> Christians of Rome did not display the
> destructiveness of those
> elsewhere, such as in Alexandria. Neglect and
> barbarians did more
> damage than religious zealots. Still, it is a
> possibiltity. I am a
> romantic and like to think option two is what
> happened, that some
> pagan or Christian senatorial family saved the Ara
> Victoriae on their
> property and that eventually it was buried to
> preserve it or protect
> it. I am optimistic and hope that it will be found
> intact. However,
> realistically I am just as inclined to go with
> option 3, that it was
> taken out and used for building material for a new
> structure, or even
> for road material. If this is the case then it is
> possible that the
> pieces will be found through archelogical excavation
> and pieced
> together, as has happened with some artifacts. This
> is all
> speculation, however.
>
> I am less versed as to what happened to the
> Palladium. Due to its
> size it could easily have been destroyed or
> overlooked. I have heard
> that possibly Constantine had it moved to
> Constantinople when he
> founded that city. If it was moved there and if it
> survived the
> iconoclasm of the 7th and 8th centuries, it is not
> likely to have
> survived the destructiveness of the Turks in 1453.
>
>
> As for the Sibylline books, the books consulted in
> Rome, stored in a
> temple on the Palatine as I recall, were destroyed
> in the late
> 4th/early 5th century. Some 14 books of Sibylline
> prediction survive,
> mixed with Christian interpretations, predictions
> and additions.
> Christian and older pagan material is mixed together
> in these books.
> Hopefully someone else can shed more light on these
> for you as I am
> not as familair with them.
>
> Vale,
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius,
> Senator Consularis
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Trip to Rome |
| From: |
Scipio Apollonius <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:19:29 -0800 (PST) |
|
Manius Constatinus Serapio, Salve
I took so far more than 100 pictures of the forum and
particulary the monuments of the repubican era and
before. My report will try to depict the way the forum
was built during this period and what was the meaning
of each monument.
I do not have a digital camera, so it will take some
time before I can send this report to you and NR.
Please let me know any further request or idea.
Vale.
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
--- mcserapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it> wrote:
> AVE SEXTE APOLLONI SCIPIONI
>
> First of all, wellcome in Nova Roma.
> Your report could be very interesting for the
> Sodalitas Egressus
> and for the Provincia Italia.
> I would be pleased of reading it as Dominus
> Praefectus of the
> Sodalitas and as Legatus of the Provincia Italia.
> Please, contact me and send it to
> mcserapio@yahoo.it
> Thank you.
>
> VALE BENE
> MANIVS-CONSTINVS-SERAPIO
> Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Italiae
> Dominus Praefectus Italiae Europaeque Orientalis et
> Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis munere fungens
> Sodalitatis Egressus
> Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Hail and well met!! |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 06:44:23 -0800 (PST) |
|
davius_sanctex@terra.es> wrote:
> But leaving aside my comments about this list, I say
> yo that cultural or historical posts are extremely
> welcomed / welcame in this list. Indeed we need more
> cultural discussion and less political discussion.
> If you are interested in some specific area, please
> feel free to speak about, ask, answer or simply
> mention it.
>
Salve Quirites,
I Found this post to very disturbing. One of the main
duties of the Tribunes is to monitor our political
ideas for their Constitutionality, yet we have one of
the Tribunes complaining that politics are being
openly discussed in the Forum.
During the Republian era politics were allways
discussed in the Forum so the people would know the
issuses before voting on them, and the Tribunes led
these disucussions.
During the Imperial period there was NO discussion of
politics in the Forum, No votes by the people, and NO
Tribunes. Politics were discussed by Imperial advisers
behind the closed doors of the Imperial palaces on the
Paletine.
Perhaps our Tribune would prefer an Imperial Nova Roma
with the politics on a closed Paletine Palace list,
and Imperial Edictia replacing Leges voted on by the
people.
As for myself I prefer a Nova Roma where politics are
openly discussed before the people, where the Tribunes
take an active role in these discussions rather than
an Imperial government, and would resign my
citizenship at once if we ever moved away from a
Republican government with open discussion of Nova
Roma's future.
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Opening of the inscription for Megalesia Ludi Circenses |
| From: |
"artabrus" <Piteas@inicia.es> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:16:44 -0000 |
|
The Cohors Curule Aedilis Caeso Fabius Quintilianus announces the
opening of the inscription for Megalesia Ludi Circenses.
In the ancient Rome, the Megalesia Ludi finished with the procession
in honour of Magna Mater and a big chariot races. In the Megalesia
Ludi 2755 we organize the first virtual chariot races, produced by
Senior Surule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, Scriba Gnaeus Salix
Galaicus and Quaestor Franciscus Apulus Caesar.
The competition is open to all the citizens of Nova Roma but to a
maximum of 32 players.
You can find the explanation and regulations of the 1st Megalesia
Ludi Circenses on
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/megalesia/chariotraces.h
tm
This is just the first race of a championship during all the Ludi
organized by C. Fabius Quintilianus. The winners of these races will
run in a final chariot races for the appointment of the better driver
2755.
Every player has to send his/her subscription to
piteas@jazzfiesta.com [Gnaeus Salix Galaicus] with the subject "Ludi
Circenses", within the following informations:
* His/her name in Nova Roma
* The name of his/her driver
* The name of his/her chariot
* His/her number of tactics:
1. To hurry in the last laps
2. To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the
circus.
3. To support a constant pace
4. To lash the rivals
* The name of his/her "factio" or team: Praesina (green), russata
(red), veneta (blue) or albata (white)
The subscriptions must be sent before April 5, h. 8:00 PM (time of
Rome).
Remember, every player only will send one chariot.
Informations:
Megalesia Ludi Circenses:
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/megalesia/chariotraces.h
tm
Gn. Salix Galaicus, Scriba Aedilis cursus equorum:
piteas@jazzfiesta.com
F. Apulus Caesar, Quaestor aedilis: sacro_barese_impero@libero.it
C. Fabius Quintilianus, Senior Curule Aedile: tjalens.h@telia.com
Gn. Salix Galaicus, scriba aedilis cursus equorum
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Proposal for List Moderation and other subjects |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:09:53 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salve Senator Fabi,
> Second, they have nothing to do with list policies, that remains in the
> hands of the Consules and Senate. That was the way it has always been
> here in Nova Roma,
Has it? The only policy from the Senate that I've seen is this:
[ from the Language S.C. of November 2754 ]
IV. The Curator Sermo shall have the authority to set language
policy for those communications fora under his administration.
The Curators have been given the ability to set general list policies,
with very little interference from the Senate. Now, I am proposing
taking that power away from a magistrate without imperium and giving
it to two who do have imperium.
> The real job of the Praetores were two fold. One was to interpret Roman law
> for the Senate, so the Senate would understand if their SCs were infringing
> on the legal rights as defined by the State,
And they have done an excellent job at this, as have their predecessors.
> the second was the senior Praetor, the one of the city, was to take
> over when the Consules were away campaigning from Rome.
A situation that rarely occurs. Given the speed of travel and communication
today, and the ubiquity of internet access in the civilized world, it is
unlikely that both Consuls will ever be unavailable for long enough
for this to be necessary.
> If anybody would be in charge of the list since it is a part of the main
> structure of Rome, it would be the Aediles.
The Aediles have their games and their marketplace and (for some) their
website work. If we give them the list too, the Aediles would be working
twice as hard as the Praetores - and still not qualify for automatic
inclusion in the Senate, as the Praetores do.
Perhaps, though, we could compromise on this point. What would you think
of the Aediles (all four of them) managing the list and doing the routine
work of moderation, with the Praetores supervising, setting policy, and
handling the difficult decisions?
> The Senate and the consules could step in and stop anything extreme if the
> curator got "drunk with power." In fact the one time a Praetor did attempt
> to impose a law on the list, Minucius was forced to veto it. The system
> works.
Yes, I remember that incident, and it would still be a possibility with
the proposed change; Consuls can always veto Praetores.
> In short I really have to stop and ask why is the Senior consul
> constantly rewriting the constitution?
This has nothing to do with rewriting the Consitution. My only proposed
change to the Constitution this year involves reducing the number of
centuries to a level where the election system will actually work.
> Now we are about to lose two Rogators because they haven't paid their taxes,
> and the Roman government will be paralyzed for weeks as a result. Why can't
> the consules pay the money because it is in their best interest to maintain
> the status quo?
I paid the taxes of two Rogators, a Quaestor, and a Propraetor yesterday.
If they pay me back, fine, otherwise I'll consider it a donation.
> Isn't that why we the people elected them the consules? To
> run our government?
Are you saying I have not done enough to fulfill that duty?
> Finally, about the people who are disappointed in this list content. You
> have no one to blame but yourselves. I and the other Senators of Rome are
> not your baby-sitters. Invita Minerva! I posted an article on archeological
> evidence about the changing of the design of the Forum of Trajan and nothing
> has been heard on the subject since. OK not interesting...so come up with
> something else, Romans!
Here, I am in complete agreement.
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: R: [Nova Roma Flyers |
| From: |
"fraelov" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:23:05 -0000 |
|
Franciscus Apulsu Caesar Marco Minucio Audens S.P.D.
> I am not sure of your meaning when you say that you have not
activated
> your membership. Do you mean membership to Sodalitas Egressus??
Yes, of course. I have tried to subscribe the mailing list of the
Sodalitas Egressus to download the files but Yahoo! is not my friend
in this period ;-) It says that I'm a member of the group but I don't
receive and look any message.
> In respect to recieving an application to either Sodalitas
(Militarium
> or Egressus) all that is required is to send a message to
Beneficarius
> Pompeia Strabo:
>
> trog99@h...
>
> and asked to be admitted to either or both sodalitas. The purpose
of
> the message is simply to determine that you want to belong, and have
> thought about it. Not a big deal (Grin!!!!).
Thank you for your help, amice, but I wanted just to subscribe your
mailing list not the Sodalitas. I have yet a friend and very good
assistant, Manius Constantinus Serapio, that is member (and
Praefectus).
But just a word: I have tried to subscribe the Sodalitas Egressus in
the last November for many times but without answers. I'll happy and
proud to partecipate of the Sodalitas and I'll contact Pompeia
Strabo. :-)
> In regard to sending you a file from Egressus, I am not sure that
this
> Webtv hardware will let me do that. I will certainly try, but I may
> have to rely upon my Beneficarius to carry out the transfer.
Without
> the most exellent Beneficarius and those who are on the Staffs of
the
> two Sodalitas of which I am the founder, I should be in even more
> trouble than I normally find myself (Grin Again) Hurray for
> Pompeia!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't worry, amice, I have received a flyer by Manius Constantinus by
e-mail and I'm waiting for other materials from Pompeia by mail.
Thank you very much for your help, this is very important for me and
I'll send you all the files produced by Provincia Italia.
I announce you that maybe we could build a little information point
about Nova Roma in Forum Fulvii (www.forumfulvii.com) in the next
May. If it's possible we'll distribute our flyers, we'll show (and
create) a provincial flag in the reenact battle between Romans and
Ligures, we'll give the possibilities to connect to subscribe Nova
Roma, etc.
Manius and me are contacting all the provincial citizens by e-mail
and by post-mail. I hope this produce more activisme in our
Provincia, we have several ideas to support Nova Roma in Italy ;-)
Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Proposal for List Moderation |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <pokrock@aol.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:03:59 -0000 |
|
Salve,
--- In novaroma@y..., Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@c...> wrote:
<snipped for brevity>
> II. The office of Curator Sermonis (also called Curator Sermonem) is
> hereby abolished.
>
> III. The Praetores are hereby given the powers and duties of
moderators
> for all public fora sponsored by the central government of Nova
With all due respect to our esteemed Consul, this proposal sounds
very familiar. Perhaps a check of the archives, in particular
message # 28036, would reveal the source of this familiarity (just
subsitute Praetores for Senate).
I agree with Amulius Claudius Petrus' response to my observations in
message # 28036 that it would not be in the citizen's best interest
to have an appointed Curator Sermonis, but instead limit the power of
the office in so far as ability to censor or silence as some would
call it critics and candidates. I do believe that it is entirely
unfair and frought with potential abuse that under the current laws a
candidate for Curator Sermonis could/can be placed on moderated
status and effectively silenced.
There is recourse built into the Constitution through the power of
intercesso if the Curator Sermonis is obviously maleficent in office.
However, without a law that says that the Curator Sermonis can not
censor/silence a candidate for office it would be questionable if
there would be grounds for an intercesso. I can only speak for
myself, but if I were in the position of being petitioned for an
intercesso, no matter how much I truly felt the party petitioning me
was wronged, if I had no point of law upon which I could base an
intercesso, I could not grant it.
Consul Marcus Octavius Germanicus, proposal seeks to provide more
oversight and control over the office, something I personally agree
needs to be done. I personally feel that the citizens of Nova Roma
are best served by a Curator Sermonis that can be removed from office
by the direct will of the people and that our Consul's proposal
throws the baby out with the bathwater. It would be better that law
(s) be introduced to curtail potential abuse of the position so
magistrates have legal grounds to issue an intercesso. Perhaps even a
Constitutional Amendment to the Censorial Nota to allow for the
removal of office an elected official that is maleficent, or just
plain incompetent in office.
Pax,
Quintus Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Proposal for List Moderation |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:25:05 EST |
|
In a message dated 3/30/02 11:15:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, pokrock@aol.com
writes:
Salvete Quinte Cassi et al.
> With all due respect to our esteemed Consul, this proposal sounds
> very familiar. Perhaps a check of the archives, in particular
> message # 28036, would reveal the source of this familiarity (just
> subsitute Praetores for Senate).
I am at a loss at what you are trying to say here.
>
> I agree with Amulius Claudius Petrus' response to my observations in
> message # 28036 that it would not be in the citizen's best interest
> to have an appointed Curator Sermonis, but instead limit the power of
> the office in so far as ability to censor or silence as some would
> call it critics and candidates. I do believe that it is entirely
> unfair and frought with potential abuse that under the current laws a
> candidate for Curator Sermonis could/can be placed on moderated
> status and effectively silenced.
>
Oh nonsense Cassius! If you are refering to Vedia and Villius last Dec. had
I thought that what Vedia was doing was illegul I would have certinally
pronunce an intercessio against it. Villius was on moderated status because
his actions against people on the list exceeded the
guidelines set by the curator. His sanction was the result. The sanction
was running concurrently with the election. Personally I would have been on
my best behavior before a campaign so I wouldn't be sanctioned, but that's
just me.
> There is recourse built into the Constitution through the power of
> intercesso if the Curator Sermonis is obviously maleficent in office.
> However, without a law that says that the Curator Sermonis can not
> censor/silence a candidate for office it would be questionable if
> there would be grounds for an intercesso. I can only speak for
> myself, but if I were in the position of being petitioned for an
> intercesso, no matter how much I truly felt the party petitioning me
> was wronged, if I had no point of law upon which I could base an
> intercesso, I could not grant it.
>
Well then I'm glad you weren't a Tribune in that situation. If you felt that
Villius rights were being violated and he did not exceeded the guidelines so
the punishment was warranted, then you would have to impose your intercessio.
>
> are best served by a Curator Sermonis that can be removed from office
> by the direct will of the people and that our Consul's proposal
> throws the baby out with the bathwater. It would be better that law
> (s) be introduced to curtail potential abuse of the position so
> magistrates have legal grounds to issue an intercesso. Perhaps even a
> Constitutional Amendment to the Censorial Nota to allow for the
> removal of office an elected official that is maleficent, or just
> plain incompetent in office.
>
The final authority of what guidelines are set and the why is that of the
Senate.
That is the way it has always been. If the august fathers feel the
guidelines are excessive, they will inform the Consules.
I'd rather have the Aediles take over the overseeing as it is more correct by
old Roman standards. So in that case the Senate would inform the Aediles.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] All of my heroes are Soldatii!!! |
| From: |
"barbarrosa66" <barbarrosa66@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:33:37 -0000 |
|
All of my heroes and influences are soldiers. It is they who have
molded and shaped history with or without their own knowledge since
the beginning. It has become fashionable in some circles and
societies to ridicule or belittle the role of the military in
history. Let this not be the case in NR. It was the great soldiers
of Rome who forged an Empire out of the chaos of the ancient world.
Soldiers like Marius, Sulla, Scipio (both of them) the Caesars, and
many others made the Empire possible through their victories. Let our
citizens be proud to extoll the martial virtues! Let the faithful
give praise to the rites of Mars! NR cannot be allowed to be a soft,
effete bastion of pacifism, rather let it's peoples gather power from
ideals of strength and self reliance. Now that my own homeland has
raised the Red Spear of War against the Persian fanatics, and the
fires of war burn in Judea, I rely more than ever on the examples of
Roman Power to provide a precedent that victory is for those who want
it bad enough.
Strength and Honor,
Flavius Cordius Sulla
comments and criticisms will be accepted.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Proposal for List Moderation and other subjects |
| From: |
"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:21:54 -0000 |
|
<<In fact the one time a Praetor did attempt to impose a law on the
list, Minucius was forced to veto it.>>
But thre reason for that veto was not that the Praetor had no power
regardling the list. It was because the Praetor back then was
issuing extreme edicta with draconian punishments for list
violations. It was too much.
Gaius Cassius Nerva
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