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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Factionism!
From:	"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 01:29:53 -0000

AVETE!

> On defeating slowest green

"On defeating slowest green"?!
My dear, maybe the whites are faster than the greens: the only
problem is that if the whites would like to win, they should before
recognize the right race direction!

GREEN!! GREEN!!! GREEEN!!! GREEEN!!! GREEN!!!! GREEN!!!

VALETE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Italiae
Dominus Praefectus Italiae Europaeque Orientalis
Sodalitatis Egressus
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Comitia Plebis is convened
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Wed, 3 Apr 2002 23:44:04 -0300 (ART)

Salvete Quirites

A small addendum: the candidates for the two remaining
positions of Tribunus Plebis are:

- Antonius Corvus Septimius
- Lucius Mauricius procopius
- Lucius Sicinius Drusus
- Manius Villius Limitanus

> Run off election for two remaining positions of
> Tribunus Plebis
> At the start of the Contio, the ballot of candidates
> will be published.
> Since this is an run off election, to complement the
> one of february, no new candidate for Tribunus
> Plebis
> will be accepted in the ballott.

Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior
Tribunus Plebis

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Comitia Plebis is convened
From:	"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:32:26 -0800

Lucius Mauricius Procopious Novae Romae SPD

I would like to re-send my qualifications for the office of Tribunus Plebis.

On my behalf I would like to present a quick summation of my qualifications:
Experienced Nova Roman Magistrate - 1 term Propraetor
Budding Latinist - My involvement with Nova Roma helped me decide to go back
to university and learn Latin as part of a Classics degree.
Experienced Leader - Non-commissioned Officer U.S Marines (Recon)
Intelligence and Industriousness: I returned to school after a 9 year
absence and made the Deans List (indication of good grades) while seeing my
own small business through it's second year and parenting 5 children.
"Possunt quia posse videntur"
Thanks to those who chose to support me and to those who will do so in the
runoff election. Again, good luck to the competition!

I would like to add that I would be happy to answer any questions from the
populace regarding my political views. I'll try to list a few of my
positions on recent hot topics.

List Moderation:
I prefer to use my delete button, however, we must concern ourselves with
liability. This being the case, I would only advocate an individuals
moderated status if they could be proved to pose a danger in that regard. I
don't like the idea of requiring English translations, I'd like to see an
alternative. The proposed translation force could "police" the ML as
subordinates of the Curratrix Sermonem and view non-English posts for
appropriateness just as the English posts. Or, all posts should be delayed
one day until viewed by the Curratrix, English or not. The treatment must be
the same universally. We need to be viewed as receptive to Romans from all
cultures, speaking many languages. Our goal should be to convert to Latin as
soon as possible. I think it could be done in a very few generations. Until
then, our policy should treat all Novae Romanae the same.

Taxes:
I think our first tax collection went well. Exemption for struggling
Provincia seemed to work. I would prefer to see us adopt a scaled tax system
based on income or national GNP or something similiar. Again, our system
should be fair, first and foremost.

Debating and Politics:
Heaven help the first outside obstacle that gets in our way. We'll all be
expert fighters by practicing on each other : ) Very pleasantly Roman!

I'm sure there are other topics I'm missing. Let me know what other issues
you'd like to hear discussed.

Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
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Nam ex parente meo et ex aliis sanctis viris ita accepi munditias mulieribus
laborem viris convenire omnibusque bonis oportere plus gloriae quam
divitiarum esse.
I have learned from my father and other holy men that women are suited to
elegance, while men to work; and that all good people should have more glory
than wealth.
Sallustius Crispus quoting Marius
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Arminius Maior" <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
To: <novaroma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Comitia Plebis is convened

> Salvete Quirites
>
> A small addendum: the candidates for the two remaining
> positions of Tribunus Plebis are:
>
> - Antonius Corvus Septimius
> - Lucius Mauricius procopius
> - Lucius Sicinius Drusus
> - Manius Villius Limitanus
>
> > Run off election for two remaining positions of
> > Tribunus Plebis
> > At the start of the Contio, the ballot of candidates
> > will be published.
> > Since this is an run off election, to complement the
> > one of february, no new candidate for Tribunus
> > Plebis
> > will be accepted in the ballott.
>
> Valete
> Marcus Arminius Maior
> Tribunus Plebis
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Factionism!
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 00:50:52 -0500 (EST)

Green=Green=Green=Green=Green=Green=

Preen the Greens, Blast the Blues, Rag the Reds, and Woe to the Whites.
Greens Gather, Greens are Gallant, and Greens are Valient and Victorus.
Tell 'em Greens , Clear the Way or end up as colored jam!!!

Green=Green=Green=Green=Green=Green=

Marcus Minucius Audens

"Green Man"


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Factionism!
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 00:57:26 -0500 (EST)

Green=Green=Green=Green=Green=Green=

Ho!!! The Lily White speaks gruffly!!! I wonder if he squishes between
Green Chariot Wheels as welll!! It takes more than bluff, White and it
takes more than words. Don't muss your pretty linen, or Mama will
scold!!!!!

Greens Forever, Greens In the Winners Circle, Green always on the line,
always eager, always a winner!!!!

Green=Green=Green=Green=Green=Green=

Marcus Minucius Audens

"Green Man"


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Factionism!
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 01:20:26 -0500 (EST)

+Green+Green+Green+Green+Green+Green+

The Blur Of Blue!!!!! Well said, the Blues have always been a tad
blurred from too much wine, too much pork, and way too much talk. Take
care not to get in the way of the Green Flag lest you truly be "flagged
both down and OUT!!!!!!!

Serapio, My Hero--Take the Green Colors and sweep all before thee!!

Green/Green/Green/Green/Green/Green/Green

Marcus Minucius Audens

"Green Man"


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [SodalitasMilitarium] Latin Lesson 1---Part 1
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 01:42:12 -0500 (EST)

Ladies and Gentlemen;

Thank you for your very kind words. I am pleased to be engaged in
something worth while again. I have an unfortunate penchant for
tryingto use reasonable arguments against people wo do not have my
views.

I am enjoying this much more!!!!

I fear however, that I must disappoint some of you as your questions go
beyond the first lesson here, and I am but a lowly student in this
endeavor and most others here in Nova Roma. For specificquestions in
regard to Latin, there are several experts on the ML, and if you will
direct your questions there, I am sure that one of our "experts" will
set you o the right track!!!

Thank you again for your very encouaging words. I will move on to the
next section. Wish me luck!!!!

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Factionism!
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 01:56:40 -0500 (EST)

Green/Green/Green/Green/Green/Green/Green

Vomitoria??? Hmmmm, I believe that is where the Blues gather for their
afternoon meal, is it not?? Ahh Yes, the Blue Phantom, I saw him
rushing through just before the check was passed!!!

Greens Forever!!! Greens will Overcome!!!

^Green^Green^Green^Green^Green^Green^

Marcus Minucius Audens

"Green Man"


Subject:	[novaroma] THE OPENING OF THE LUDI MEGALESIA
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:32:02 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

I hereby open the Ludi Megalesia!

The Ludi Megalesia [April 4th - 10th], were games offered in honor of
a foreign goddess, Magna Mater (Cybele), imported to Rome after the
2nd Punic War. The goddess' sacred black stone was brought from
Phrygia in Asia Minor and housed in a temple consecrated/opened on
April 10, 191 B.C.E. The Ludi were organized by the Aediles,
elected magistrates charged with the organization of various
festivals. The priests of the Magna Mater were called the Galli. They
were non-citizen eunuchs. The poet Catullus offers us a good example
(Poem 63) of the Roman mind trying to comprehend the kind of
religious belief that would lead a man to castrate himself in order
to serve the Magna Mater. Lucretius provides one of the best
descriptions we have of the festival as it was celebrated around the
time of Julius Caesar (De Rerum Natura, 2.600 ff.). The Galli led a
procession in honor of the Magna Mater through the streets of Rome.
They carried a statue of the goddess riding in a chariot drawn by
lions in a litter.

Some priests played music, which sounded strange, sexy and scary to
the Romans, on musical instruments (tambourines, cymbals, flutes and
trumpets) from Asia Minor. People watching the procession threw
flower petals and coins before the priests. While most upright,
uptight Romans shuddered at this kind of excess, they not only
allowed the procession and supported the Ludi, they considered the
state sponsored worship of the Magna Mater Pius and venerable and
absolutely necessary to Rome. When the Magna Mater was first
introduced to Rome, aristocratic families formed sodalites [clubs] in
honor of the Cybele. A practice rapidly developed from these clubs in
which patrician families held dinner parties [mutitationes] for each
other on the first night of the Ludi. Over time these banquets became
wildly elaborate and ostentatious.

May Magna Mater, the Gods and Goddesses of Roma continue to protect
the Res Publica!
-----------------------------------------------
I thank my Cohors Aedilis for the work they have done and still are
doing for me as a Curule Aedile. When it comes to the Ludi, I
especially thank my Quaestor Illustrus Franciscus Apulus Caesar!

For information about the Ludi Megalesia see:
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

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and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
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Subject:	[novaroma] Ludi Circenses
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:11:47 +0100 (BST)

Salvete!

I will take part in the chariot races for the
Megalesia Festival!

My driver is called "Minax" (you may look it up in a
dictionary to see what it means, hehe)

My chariot is called "Gallia Victrix" (to represent my
provincia Gallia)

My factio is RED

Please all your support for the REDS!

The colour of Mars will lead me to victory!

GO REDS GO!

Valete bene

=====
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Aedilis Plebis
Coryphaeus Sodalitatis Musarum
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
civis Novae Romae

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Subject:	[novaroma] The SVR
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 01:15:16 -0800 (PST)

Salve

In Antiquita Roma fought many bitter wars, yet after
the war Roma rarely was unwilling to have peaceful
relations with her former foes. Often they became
friends and allies of Roma. I see little point in
maintaining any hostility with the SVR.

Some members of the SVR left Nova Roma under less than
friendly terms, but lets limit any feelings of
hostility that some of still have to these people as
indiviuals, NOT to the SVR as an organization.

I Still consider it a confict of intrest to hold
office in two organizations that are so similar.
Holding office in one organization and regular
citizenship/membership in the other may be getting
into a grey area, so for now I won't be applying for
SVR membership. If no offices are involved I see
nothing wrong with holding membership in Nova Roma and
the SVR.

The differances between Nova Roma and the SVR means it
will attract some people who wouldn't be intrested in
becoming citizens of Nova Roma. The SVR is spreading
Romanitas among those whom Nova Roma can't reach, and
I for one see nothing wrong with increasing the
awareness of Roma in the modern world.

I Would prefer that we work with the SVR on the many
things we have in common, rather than engage in
pointless arguments about our differances, or in
continuing to flog dead equines.

It's time for Amicia between Nova Roma and the SVR.

L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The SVR
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:46:22 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Luci Sicini et omnes,

>I Would prefer that we work with the SVR on the many
>things we have in common, rather than engage in
>pointless arguments about our differances, or in
>continuing to flog dead equines.
>
>It's time for Amicia between Nova Roma and the SVR.

Very well said. Although I would personally find it
difficult to reconcile my citizenship here at NR with
membership of the SVR, the fact remains that it is a
stated policy of the SVR that it is not a micronation.
Consequently, it is not difficult to see why many do
not perceive any conflict of interest. My love of
cricket does not stop me from being an avid Leyton
Orient supporter (a very poor English football team
alas)!!!!!!

I view it as a duty of NR citizens that are also
members of the SVR to work to promote mutual
understanding and thus develop closer relations
between our 'micronation' and the 'organisation' of
the SVR. This, I believe, would be for the good of our
common Romanitas. Personal relations should not be
allowed to impede such interests.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	[novaroma] ludi circenses, other 11 runners
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:41:14 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

I want remember thet tomorrow is the DEADLINE to subscribe the Megalesia
Ludi Circenses, the first virtual chariot races of Nova Roma.

Now we have 21 runners, we need other 11. Please, take your chariot and
fight if you are a real ROMAN!

Choose a name for the chariot, create a driver and choose your Factio
(Albata, Russata, Praestina, Veneta) and choose the tactics:
1) To hurry in the last laps
2) To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.
3) To support a constant pace
4) To lash the rivals

Send this informations to to piteas@jazzfiesta.com [Gnaeus Salix Galaicus]
or sacro_barese_impero@libero.it [Franciscus Apulus Caesar] within your
roman name.
We'll roll the virtual dices and calculate the results. At the end you'll
can read the history of the race by Galaicus in this mailing list.

I want to thank my dear friend Caius Curius Saturninus to have projected the
authomatic virtual dices and software, the "Saturninus Race System v1.0".

For other information please visit
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/megalesia/chariotraces.htm

Bonam Fortunam , Limacibus!

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre

Valete


Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana]: pridie Nonas Aprilias (April 4th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <antonio.grilo@inov.pt>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:06:16 +0100

PONTIFEX ANTONIVS GRYLLVS GRAECVS OMNIBVS QVIRITIBVS SALVTEM

This is one of the dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens could
vote on political or criminal matters.

This was the first day of the Megalesia, or Megalesian Games, a festival
celebrated for seven days in honor of the phrygian Cybele, brought to Rome
from mount Pessinus as Magna Mater (remember that the legend says that the
Romans descend from the survivors of Troy, brought to Italy by Aeneas).
Differently from the festivals of March, more dedicated to Attis within the
context of the Phrygian Mysteries, the Megalesia were a public celebration.
In 205 BC, after a rain of stones and the fact that the 2nd Carthaginian war
had no end, with Hannibal still in Italy, a consultation of the Sibylline
Oracles demands [Ovidius, Fasti, IV.259-260]:

"mater abest: matrem iubeo, Romane, requiras. cum veniet, casta est
accipenda manu"
"The Mother is absent; thou Roman, I bid thee seek the Mother. When she
shall come, she must be received by chaste hands"

As a coincidence, an ambassy returns from Delphi with the promise of
victory. An ambassy of magistrates
is then constituted, departing to Asia with five "quinqueremes" ships, in
order to bring the black stone of Cybele from Pessinus. Stopping at Delphy,
the Pythia tells them that once arrived at home, the Mother is to be
received by be best man in the world ("vir optimus"). P. Scipio Nasica is
chosen by the senate. Together with the senators and members of the "ordo
equester", he receives Cybele at the port of Ostia. During the arrival,
Cybele performs Her first miracle. At the entrance of the Tiber, the ship
that carries the black stone of Cybele refuses to move despite all efforts
to pull the cables. Claudia Quinta, a beautiful matron whose virtue was
doubted raises her hands to the sky an says:
"They deny my chastity... But if I'm innocent, You Who are chaste, You will
obey to my chaste hands!"
And the ship moved...

The black stone was enclosed within an idol of silver. On April 4th, 204 BC,
the idol was deposed at the
temple of Victory. Cybele had Her temple at the Palatine Hill finished and
dedicated on April 10th, 191 BC. That's why the Megalesia last from April
4th to April 10th.

The Megalesia celebrations started on April 4th, when patrician families
invited each other to dinners called �mutitationes� [Fasti Praenestini],
though by a decree of the Senate in 161 BC they had to swear before the
consuls that they would not spend on each dinner more than 120 �asses� in
addition to vegetables, bread and wine, nor serve foreign wines, nor display
more than 120 lbs of silverware [Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae, 2.24]. These
banquets are also referred by Ovidius [Ovidius, Fasti, IV.353-356], though
he seems to imply that other people beside the patricians also invited each
other for dinner. Theatrical performances honoured the goddess between April
4th and April 10th, and on the birthday of the temple of Magna Mater on the
Palatine Hill on April 10th, a public sacrifice was offered by the Praetor
before the temple [Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Antiquities of Rome, 2.19.4].
Chariot races also took place, probably on April 10th only. Ovidius says
that the proper offering to Magna Mater was a salad (�moretum�) of white
cheese and herbs [Ovidius, Fasti, IV.367-372]:
��They think no shame� said I �to set a salad dish on the tables of the
Mistress. Is there a good reason at the bottom of it?� �People of old� she
answered, �are reported to have subsisted on pure milk and such herbs as the
earth bore of its free will. White cheese is mixed with pounded herbs, that
the ancient goddess may know the ancient foods.��

Di vos bene ament


Subject:	[novaroma] EDICTUM PROVINCIAE PANNONIAE I.
From:	"gaiuscoriolanus" <jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:19:39 -0000

G. MARCIUS CORIOLANUS OMNIBUS QUIRITIBUS S.P.D

Issued April 4th, in the year of the consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus
and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, 2755 AUC.

PROVINCIAL MAGISTRATES

Ex officio Propraetoris Pannoniae

Since Bohemia is still under Pannonian administration, I do hereby
appoint Gaius Antonius Heralus to office Legatus Bohemiae.

I do hereby renew function of Marcus Gryllus Antonius Victorinus in
office Legatus Pannoniae Superioris

I do further appoint Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonicus to
office Legatus Pannoniae Inferioris.

Gaius Marcius Coriolanus
Propraetor Pannoniae


Subject:	[novaroma] EDICTUM PROVINCIAE PANNONIAE I.
From:	"gaiuscoriolanus" <jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:21:42 -0000


Subject:	[novaroma] ancient Roman screen savers/wallpaper
From:	"gaius117" <lanius117@aol.com>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 02:00:49 -0000

Salvete omnes,

I have been trying to locate some appropriate Roman screen savers
and/or wallpaper for my computer. Does anyone know of any websites I
might investigate?

Valete,

Gaius Lanius Falco
Civis Nova Romana et Paterfamilias
Nova Britannia Provincia


Subject:	[novaroma] 0 cives
From:	Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:22:06 -0800 (PST)

I was scrolling through the album today and noticed 3
gens without any cives. How is this? Did they leave?
If so, why are the "families" not completely taken
off?

Just wondering.

Thanks

Marcus Antonius

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nation or organisation? (was Secession)
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 3 Apr 2002 23:47:09 -0500

On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 11:07:11PM +0200, M. Octavius Solaris wrote:

Salvete, M. Octavius!

> Salve Cai Minuci,
>
> > I believe that you're ignoring a number of key factors, size among them. A
> > country with a population in the millions can afford to have not only
> > diverse political opinions but even those that skirt close to direct
> > opposition to its ideals. During their formative periods, however,
> > especially when the population numbered only in the thousands, any dissent
> > would most likely have been considered equal to treason: times of change
> > are hard, and even a small slip could destroy a new idea - which is, after
> > all, what a new nation is. There's a point in cultural development when a
> > group changes from a command culture (such as an army, or a new colony) to
> > an exchange culture (what we normally think of as a country). At some point
> > after that transition, dissent is not only possible but healthy; before
> > that point, it is neither.
>
> Exactly. That is why I think this nation idea is so half-heartedly. Some
> (news)groups have draconic rules, and that's no problem.

Interesting. Could you name a few? I'd be curious to see how "draconic"
rules can be sustained in a voluntary association. I participate in a
number of newsgroups, one of which is <news:comp.lang.perl.misc>, where
there's a well-defined set of rules; however, in this specific case, the
relationship is that of students (the new posters) requesting information
from unpaid but highly knowledgeable teachers (the newsgroup regulars.) [1]
Given the nature of that relationship, the fact that there are few teachers
and many, many students, and the average volume (around 150 questions per
day, of which ~30 are FAQs), the rules - what the rules MUST be, if the
system is to exist at all - become rather obvious and transparent. Truly
"draconic" rules, in my opinion, would cause any newsgroup to die very
quickly indeed.

> But when a nation
> adopts draconic rules, it gets an entirely different dimension. There's
> another possible problem as well. Say that by mutal agreement, the
> leadership installs a comamnd culture for the first couple of years. But, as
> I have borrowed from Orwell so often, power tends to corrupt... And some
> people will try to keep this "command culture". Perhaps not in the current
> leadership, but there will always be such invididuals.

Perhaps I did not make myself clear; since I only mentioned this
peripherally, this is a strong possibility. A power shift from "command" to
"exchange", given the nature of those who tend to seek power, is not likely
to happen voluntarily ("not likely" == "when hell freezes over", IMO.) It
happens of *necessity*, such that it is impossible to avoid; command
structures can only exist in fairly small communities, or those that are
enclosed by a larger culture which supports it (the military is an example
of the second case.) Once you have multiple scattered population centers,
particularly those which cannot communicate effectively, a looser model
naturally prevails - no matter how much the "commanders" may wish
otherwise.

Again, little of this applies to NR. Social structures such as nations
exist primarily because cooperative ventures facilitate production and
distribution (among other reasons) - none of this is a factor here. We have
a voluntary association of individuals with a strong hierarchical flavor, a
generous helping of democracy, and an undercurrent of meritocracy - just to
take an opinionated snapshot. :) This is not by any means an unusual mix in
on-line communities, and it is clearly a successful model.

[1] In fact, I used c.l.p.m's ruleset as a template for the Linux Gazette's
"Posting HOWTO" <http://www.linuxgazette.com/tag/ask-the-gang.html>, which
you may find an interesting read in this context; the relationship model is
virtually identical. <grin> On the other hand, I might be a dragon and be
unaware of it.

Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Saepe creat molles aspera spina rosas.
-- Ovid


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Secession from NR? {Was Re:Proposal for List Moderation}
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 00:12:19 -0500

Salve omnes - et salvete, Rufus Iulius!

On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:59:10PM -0000, radams36 wrote:
> Salve, Caius Minucius,
>
> SUBLIMELY well put, indeed (and the poodle story was both relevant
> and amusing). I couldn't have put it better - I admired your logic,
> appropriate quotations, and very moderate and reasonable tone. It's
> posts like this one that make a visit to the ML a true joy.

<smile> I thank you for your very kind comments. I'm here as a long-time
admirer of the Roman culture but only a beginning student, so my ability to
contribute does not (*yet*) lie in that direction. I am also, however, an
ardent believer in the power of good communication, and take great joy in
seeing what people can accomplish when so empowered. From yet another
perspective, I'm an engineer - with a strong preference for keeping the
signal-to-noise ratio as high as possible. All of that taken together
militates against demagogy, lies, gratuitous noise to satisfy vanity... I
do not see myself as some watchdog of proper behavior by any means, but I
do like to clarify muddy waters on occasion.

There are a number of good, thoughtful people on this list, yourself
included, who make this a forum well worth attending; it is a pleasure to
be here.

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Illi robur et aes triplex circa pectus erat, qui fragilem truci commisit
pelago ratem primus.
-- Horace, "Carmina"


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: The SVR
From:	"sceptia" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 10:18:44 -0000

Salve amice, et salve, Drusus.

I see you are then aware the benefits it would bring to us in working
together with them, am I wrong?.
Why not the Magistrates who are involved in the ruling of NR take
contact with SVR and try to approach views?
I suggest, as a citizen, that something should be done on this way.
As an idea, SVR could follow a similar way than Academiae Thules. If
we created something inside NR, we can join something from outside.
Romanitas is the beggining. Spreading culture, ideas, projects, a
second step. Then?
I feel our Magistrates can do that. I feel that�s your job. If you
follow this, I will consider you as real leaders, nevermind the other
success reached.
Citizens, what�s your opinion?

Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius
Citizen.

--- In novaroma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> Salve

> The differances between Nova Roma and the SVR means it
> will attract some people who wouldn't be intrested in
> becoming citizens of Nova Roma. The SVR is spreading
> Romanitas among those whom Nova Roma can't reach, and
> I for one see nothing wrong with increasing the
> awareness of Roma in the modern world.
>
> I Would prefer that we work with the SVR on the many
> things we have in common, rather than engage in
> pointless arguments about our differances, or in
> continuing to flog dead equines.
>
> It's time for Amicia between Nova Roma and the SVR.
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: The SVR
From:	"gaiuscoriolanus" <jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:22:08 -0000

Quirites,

I really don't understand this paranoid fear about the SVR. Does it
matter if it is micronation or not? Does it matter if NR members are
SVR? Live and let live.

Coriolanus

--- In novaroma@y..., "sceptia" <sceptia@y...> wrote:
>
> Salve amice, et salve, Drusus.
>
> I see you are then aware the benefits it would bring to us in
working
> together with them, am I wrong?.
> Why not the Magistrates who are involved in the ruling of NR take
> contact with SVR and try to approach views?
> I suggest, as a citizen, that something should be done on this way.
> As an idea, SVR could follow a similar way than Academiae Thules.
If
> we created something inside NR, we can join something from outside.
> Romanitas is the beggining. Spreading culture, ideas, projects, a
> second step. Then?
> I feel our Magistrates can do that. I feel that�s your job. If you
> follow this, I will consider you as real leaders, nevermind the
other
> success reached.
> Citizens, what�s your opinion?
>
> Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius
> Citizen.
>
> --- In novaroma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> > Salve
>
> > The differances between Nova Roma and the SVR means it
> > will attract some people who wouldn't be intrested in
> > becoming citizens of Nova Roma. The SVR is spreading
> > Romanitas among those whom Nova Roma can't reach, and
> > I for one see nothing wrong with increasing the
> > awareness of Roma in the modern world.
> >
> > I Would prefer that we work with the SVR on the many
> > things we have in common, rather than engage in
> > pointless arguments about our differances, or in
> > continuing to flog dead equines.
> >
> > It's time for Amicia between Nova Roma and the SVR.
> >
> > L. Sicinius Drusus


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: ludi circenses, other 11 runners
From:	"cfdflaviusdio" <3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:23:39 -0000

Salvete Quirites.

When a racing day comes, no real roman can remain at home. I�m very
sorry that I�m unavailable on Sunday due to family reasons, but as a
Flavian and magistrate I have the honour and obligation to let one
chariot start....

The chariot: Flavia Ferrata
The driver: Spurius Diocles
The factio: Green

The best will win, and the best are starting for the Greens.....

Bene Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Trip To Europe
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:01:40 +0200

Salve Caput et Amice!

All is settled, my mother has been successfully operated. Now I just
hope that it will continue to go well with her health.

So I will go to Oslo. ;-) Here is my schedule: I will arrive in Oslo
Saturday 27th of April at 11.25 and take a flight back at Sunday 28th
of April 16.30. I now need the exact Hotel that You are staying at,
as it is my intention to stay there too. I was Radisson S.A.S.
Scandanavia Hotel if I not wrong, but there are more then one of
these in Oslo. Which is it? Please give me a fast answer so that I
can get a room at the same Hotel as You.

I haven't got any definitive answer from the Norweigian Legio, so I
will contact them again.

Please send my greetings to your wife!

>a few days in Oslo (Aprl 26, 27, 28), in
>hopes of spending some time with my good friend Senator Quintillianus,
>and meeting some of his Legio. I should be pleased to meet anyone else
>from Nova Roma who would be able to meet with my wife and I while we are
>in either Bergen or Oslo. We will be staying at the Radisson S.A.S.
>Royal Hotel in Bergen, and the Radisson S.A.S. Scandanavia Hotel in
>Oslo.
>
>Thank you for your kind attention to this message.
>
>Respectfully;
>
>Marcus Minucius Audens

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: ludi circenses, other 11 runners
From:	"artabrus" <Piteas@inicia.es>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:05:00 -0000

Honorable Flavius Diocletianus:

and your tactics?

Salix Galaicus
princeps curiae hispanae
scriba aedilis curulis

--- In novaroma@y..., "cfdflaviusdio" <3s@h...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites.
>
> When a racing day comes, no real roman can remain at home. I�m very
> sorry that I�m unavailable on Sunday due to family reasons, but as a
> Flavian and magistrate I have the honour and obligation to let one
> chariot start....
>
> The chariot: Flavia Ferrata
> The driver: Spurius Diocles
> The factio: Green
>
> The best will win, and the best are starting for the Greens.....
>
> Bene Valete
> Caius Flavius Diocletianus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: The SVR
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 05:32:17 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

I agree with the citizen Coriolus.
It should be even good that something else than NR
exists. There is nothing bad about having a little bit
of competition.
Furthermore, a sane and vigourous republic lies on the
existence of contradictory and constructive trends.
Let the SVR be.

Vale,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

--- gaiuscoriolanus <jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk> wrote:
> Quirites,
>
> I really don't understand this paranoid fear about
> the SVR. Does it
> matter if it is micronation or not? Does it matter
> if NR members are
> SVR? Live and let live.
>
> Coriolanus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In novaroma@y..., "sceptia" <sceptia@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve amice, et salve, Drusus.
> >
> > I see you are then aware the benefits it would
> bring to us in
> working
> > together with them, am I wrong?.
> > Why not the Magistrates who are involved in the
> ruling of NR take
> > contact with SVR and try to approach views?
> > I suggest, as a citizen, that something should be
> done on this way.
> > As an idea, SVR could follow a similar way than
> Academiae Thules.
> If
> > we created something inside NR, we can join
> something from outside.
> > Romanitas is the beggining. Spreading culture,
> ideas, projects, a
> > second step. Then?
> > I feel our Magistrates can do that. I feel that�s
> your job. If you
> > follow this, I will consider you as real leaders,
> nevermind the
> other
> > success reached.
> > Citizens, what�s your opinion?
> >
> > Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius
> > Citizen.
> >
> > --- In novaroma@y..., "L. Sicinius Drusus"
> <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> > > Salve
> >
> > > The differances between Nova Roma and the SVR
> means it
> > > will attract some people who wouldn't be
> intrested in
> > > becoming citizens of Nova Roma. The SVR is
> spreading
> > > Romanitas among those whom Nova Roma can't
> reach, and
> > > I for one see nothing wrong with increasing the
> > > awareness of Roma in the modern world.
> > >
> > > I Would prefer that we work with the SVR on the
> many
> > > things we have in common, rather than engage in
> > > pointless arguments about our differances, or in
> > > continuing to flog dead equines.
> > >
> > > It's time for Amicia between Nova Roma and the
> SVR.
> > >
> > > L. Sicinius Drusus
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Ludi Circenses - Factionism!!!
From:	"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:52:04 -0000

GREEN!!! GREEN!!!! GREEN!!!!! GREEN!!!! GREEN!!!!! GREEN!!!!

> My driver is called "Minax" (you may look it up in a
> dictionary to see what it means, hehe)

Minax.... Virgilius used this word meaning "threatening
of being falling"!

On your dear red flag will be grown a fresh GREEN grass, and the
pieces of your chariot will form a wonderful frame for this GREEN
flowerbed!

GREEN!!! GREEN!!! GREEN!!! GREEN!!! GREEN!!! GREEN!!!!

vale
Manius Constantinus Serapio (Green!!! green!!!!)


Subject:	AW: [novaroma] Re: ludi circenses, other 11 runners
From:	<3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:02:25 -0600 (CST)

Honourable Salix:

I mailed them to Franciscus Apulus Caesar directly... Do we really want to make them public before the race ;-)?

Yours
Caius Flavius Diocletianus

-- Original Nachricht--
Von: artabrus <Piteas@inicia.es>
An: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Senden: 04:05
Betreff: [novaroma] Re: ludi circenses, other 11 runners

Honorable Flavius Diocletianus:

and your tactics?

Salix Galaicus
princeps curiae hispanae
scriba aedilis curulis

--- In novaroma@y...,
"cfdflaviusdio" <3s@h...>
wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites.
>
> When a racing day comes, no real roman can remain at home. I�m very
> sorry that I�m unavailable on Sunday due to family reasons, but as a
> Flavian and magistrate I have the honour and obligation to let one
> chariot start....
>
> The chariot: Flavia Ferrata
> The driver: Spurius Diocles
> The factio: Green
>
> The best will win, and the best are starting for the Greens.....
>
> Bene Valete
> Caius Flavius Diocletianus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: RD and places to be
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vze23hw7@verizon.net>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:05:35 -0500

Salvete,

From: "Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@hotmail.com>
To: <cincinnatus@novaroma.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: RD and places to be

> Salve illustre censor,
> I was referred to you by my PF, Sulla. He said you might know of good
> places to stay for RD. I hope you're not swamped answering missives about
> this, but are there any hostels, motels or b-n-b's convenient to RD?

"L Equitius: ROMAN DAYS, SPONSORED By Legio XX (Maryland USA) [of which I am
a proud member] http://www.larp.com/legioxx/index.html since 1998, it is
held on the second weekend of June. http://www.larp.com/legioxx/rdays.html

June 8-9, 2002 --ROMAN DAYS, Marietta Mansion: 5626 Bell Station Rd., Glenn
Dale, MD 20769. 301-464-5291. The Site Manager is Susan Wolfe. From
I-95/495, the Capital Beltway, take Exit 20 onto Rt. 450 East, go 4 miles,
turn left on Rt. 193, then left onto Bell Station Rd. and left again into
Marietta. For Marching Through Time, only handicapped parking is permitted
on site (due to lack of space), public parking being available at the
recreation just beyond Bell Station Rd. Follow the signs and then catch the
shuttle vans back to the site.

I hope to see many of you there. Roman Days has gotten better every year!"

As part of the links to the Legio XX website, the following information can
be found:

LOCAL HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS, etc.
Red Roof Inn
9050 Lanham Severn Road (Rt. 564)
Lanham, MD 20706
Inn Phone: (301) 731-8830
Inn Fax: (301) 731-4610
For reservations call
1-800-RED-ROOF

Comfort Inn Conference Center
US 301, US 50 & SR 3
Bowie, MD
301-464-0089

Days Inn
9023 Annapolis Road (Rt. 450)
Lanham, MD, 20706
301-459-6600
Fax: 301-459-6002
Toll Free Reservations: 1-800-DAYS INN (1-800-329-7466)

Holiday Inn--Greenbelt NASA/Goddard
7200 Hanover Dr.
Greenbelt, MD 20770
800-280-4188

> I looked up the DC metro map online last night, and it looks like I'd have
> to walk 2 or so miles from the nearest underground station. Have other
> quirites who are coming in from out-of-town decided to lodge in any
specific
> place?

L Equitius: Thare are plans to reserve a block of rooms.
I think Merlinia Ambrosia Artori merlinia@comcast.net is coordinating this.

> I'm trying to patch this trip together, I think attending RD will be great
> for me to press the flesh and find out how to get Northern California
going
> as an NR regio. Also, is anybody planning to video tape events with mind
> toward future NR promotion?

L Equitius: I can't say what anybody else is planning, but I know many
people do bring cameras. In the past there were 'teams' of video recorders
from various places, but I have never seen the results of any of thier work.
I have a video camera and tripod, but I never have time to work it at Roman
days. Shoot, I don't hardly get time to take a few pictures with a single
shot camera.

> I understand that the censors are probably superbusy with the whole
> recording of taxes, as well as Senatorial doings; I appreciate your
> attention on this matter.

L Equitius: Everyone who can is welcome to come to the event the next
weekend April 13-14, 2002 --Marching Through Time, Marietta Mansion
This is a multi-period event and provided the weather cooperates it is very
nice.

Vale, Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur


Subject:	[novaroma] Secession from NR? {Was Re:Proposal for List Moderation}
From:	"radams36" <radams40@juno.com>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 17:20:07 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@y...>
wrote:
>
> Salve omnes - et salvete, Rufus Iulius!
>
> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:59:10PM -0000, radams36 wrote:
> > Salve, Caius Minucius,
> >
> > SUBLIMELY well put, indeed (and the poodle story was both
relevant
> > and amusing). I couldn't have put it better - I admired your
logic,
> > appropriate quotations, and very moderate and reasonable tone.
It's
> > posts like this one that make a visit to the ML a true joy.
>
> <smile> I thank you for your very kind comments. I'm here as a long-
time
> admirer of the Roman culture but only a beginning student, so my
ability to
> contribute does not (*yet*) lie in that direction. I am also,
however, an
> ardent believer in the power of good communication, and take great
joy in
> seeing what people can accomplish when so empowered. From yet
another
> perspective, I'm an engineer - with a strong preference for keeping
the
> signal-to-noise ratio as high as possible. All of that taken
together
> militates against demagogy, lies, gratuitous noise to satisfy
vanity... I
> do not see myself as some watchdog of proper behavior by any means,
but I
> do like to clarify muddy waters on occasion.
>
> There are a number of good, thoughtful people on this list, yourself
> included, who make this a forum well worth attending; it is a
pleasure to
> be here.
>
>
> Vale,
> Caius Minucius Scaevola
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-=-=-
> Illi robur et aes triplex circa pectus erat, qui fragilem truci
commisit
> pelago ratem primus.
> -- Horace, "Carmina"

Salve, Caie Minucie!

I thank you, in turn, for your very kind and courteous reply. There
are times when the amount of "demagogy, lies, gratuitous noise to
satisfy vanity...", if I may quote, becomes discouraging,
frustrating, and irritating. I have no problem with those whose
viewpoint varies from my own (indeed, I believe one can only grow
intellectually by paying attention to varying viewpoints), but
sometimes it's hard to bear the pettiness, narrow-mindedness, and
illogic that some posters spew forth. They apparently fail to realize
how their behavior undermines, rather than reinforces, their
arguments or positions. Messages like yours, though, remind me of how
rewarding the ML can be, and how many intelligent and thoughtful
citizens we have here. Your thoughtful, intelligent, and courteous
demeanor is a credit to both you and your gens (as I'm sure your
honored Paterfamilias would agree)!

Vale bene,

Rufus Iulius Palaeologus


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [Egressus] Growth
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:44:43 -0500 (EST)

Citizen Gaius Cornelius Pudens;

Sodalitas Egressus was formed and approved on the basis of the need to
reach out to the surrounding world and tell them about Roman History and
Culture, as well as the micronation of Nova Roma. To that end we have
established a website, and we have offered to the Citizens of Nova Roma
the opportunity to participate in that effort. However, while the
general idea seems to appeal to many in Nova Roma, few citizens seem to
be interested in carrying out the more intensive parts of the Egressus
intentions. This with the notable exceptions of Dominus Praefectus
Serapio, Beneficarius Pompeia Strabo, our Webmistress, and our
Praefectus Primus Pilus.

The needs of the Egressus are significant and they grow with the ideas
of the membership. However, as I have said on many occasions in Nova
Roma ideas alone, are not sufficient. There must be those who will work
at the ideas and bring them to fruitation.

I must go now as I have another appointment. If you are interested in
any aspect of Egressus and wish to contribute, I should be more than
pleased to consider your specific talents, and wishes, and with those
foremost, appoint you to a position within the Sodalitas, where you may
exercise your talents. Since you do not know me well, you may appeal to
any of the above members to find out more about me, or review the ML
archives. You will find me here, but probably too much!!!!

I look forward to your response, and to possibly working with you as you
shall decide.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens;

Praefectus Fabrum -- Sodalitas Egressus -- Nova Roma


Subject:	[novaroma] Villa of the Papyri Donation Update
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 17:26:30 -0500

Salvete cives et amici,

A few days ago I posted a message concerning the excavation of a villa in
Herculaneum threatened by flooding. Within this villa many ancient scrolls
have been discovered, and when translated have been found to contain lost
works. Currently, lack of funds prevents further excavations, and flooding
could destroy those scrolls that still remain within the villa. In this
message I also proposed that Nova Roma should assist by raising funds for
this significant cultural project and do what it can to see that the scrolls
are not lost. Today I got in contact with the man leading this whole
project, Professor Janko.

Professor Janko is the leading authority in both the excavation of the villa
and the translation of the scrolls. He informed me that currently he is
attempting to bring together at team of Italian officials and concerned
philanthropists. The professor assured me that he will spread the word of
our interest to all those involved and connect me with those who are
collecting funds for this project, such as the government around the Bay of
Naples. He also informed me that he, himself, is interested in staying in
touch with Nova Roma and will inform us of further developments in the
project.

Overall, it was very interesting and exciting! I believe we are working in
the right direction, and have come far in a few days. Hopefully I will be
able to forward further details concerning this topic to you all in the near
future.

Valete,

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia

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Join in and celebrate the games. For more information visit:
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Subject:	[novaroma] Potential Nove Britannia get-together April 14th
From:	"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:31:09 -0500

Salvete Omnes!

I would like to organize an informal provincial get-together for Sunday,
April 14th. It would be held in Massachusetts, exact locale TBD (quite
possibly my place in Plymouth). I would like this to be the first of
many such "face-to-face" meetings, with a goal of trying to have a
provincial meeting at least every quarter. This would be above and
beyond any more elaborate provincial events, such as the one being
planned by Proconsul Cassius for September. These regular meetings would
serve to bring our community closer together, and could come to include
readings of Roman literature, presentations of various aspects of Roman
history or culture, planning of other events, or anything else
participants wished to contribute. If anyone is interested in such a
meeting for April 14th please RSVP and let me know, so we can begin
planning the details. April 13th is available as an alternate date if it
is more available to everyone. Thanks!!!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Quaestor
Lictor Curiatus
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [ForTheMuses] Villa of the Papyri Donation Update
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Fri, 5 Apr 2002 00:58:16 +0200

Salve Illustrus Colleague!

Very well done! :-) Keep up the good work!

>Salvete cives et amici,
>
>A few days ago I posted a message concerning the excavation of a villa in
>Herculaneum threatened by flooding. Within this villa many ancient scrolls
>have been discovered, and when translated have been found to contain lost
>works. Currently, lack of funds prevents further excavations, and flooding
>could destroy those scrolls that still remain within the villa. In this
>message I also proposed that Nova Roma should assist by raising funds for
>this significant cultural project and do what it can to see that the scrolls
>are not lost. Today I got in contact with the man leading this whole
>project, Professor Janko.
>
>Professor Janko is the leading authority in both the excavation of the villa
>and the translation of the scrolls. He informed me that currently he is
>attempting to bring together at team of Italian officials and concerned
>philanthropists. The professor assured me that he will spread the word of
>our interest to all those involved and connect me with those who are
>collecting funds for this project, such as the government around the Bay of
>Naples. He also informed me that he, himself, is interested in staying in
>touch with Nova Roma and will inform us of further developments in the
>project.
>
>Overall, it was very interesting and exciting! I believe we are working in
>the right direction, and have come far in a few days. Hopefully I will be
>able to forward further details concerning this topic to you all in the near
>future.
>
>Valete,
>
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AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Ludi Circenses - Factionism!!!
From:	"fraelov" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Thu, 04 Apr 2002 23:56:40 -0000

What little factio of illused losers...

The BLUES will squash like little horrible GREEN BEATLES ...!

BLUE WINS!!!

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar (a blue like the italian shirt)

--- In novaroma@y..., "mcserapio" <mcserapio@y...> wrote:
> GREEN!!! GREEN!!!! GREEN!!!!! GREEN!!!! GREEN!!!!! GREEN!!!!
>
> > My driver is called "Minax" (you may look it up in a
> > dictionary to see what it means, hehe)
>
> Minax.... Virgilius used this word meaning "threatening
> of being falling"!
>
> On your dear red flag will be grown a fresh GREEN grass, and the
> pieces of your chariot will form a wonderful frame for this GREEN
> flowerbed!
>
> GREEN!!! GREEN!!! GREEN!!! GREEN!!! GREEN!!! GREEN!!!!
>
>
> vale
> Manius Constantinus Serapio (Green!!! green!!!!)