Forum Romanum


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Presentazione/hello
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:05:52 -0400

Salve Paul,

Welcome to Nova Roma! Nova Roma has many different email lists concerning
different aspects of Roman life. If you are interested I invite you to join
the following lists:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMilitarium/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Latinitas/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ForTheMuses/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReligioRomana/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Egressus/

I hope you find what you are looking for in Nova Roma, and I wish you the
best in gaining citizenship.

Vale,

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia

--------------------------------------------------------------
The Cerialia celebration starts this month on Aprilis XII.
Join in and celebrate the games. For more information visit:
http://www25.brinkster.com/canorien/cerialia/
--------------------------------------------------------------

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

>anonypl at anonypl@yahoo.it wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I live in Italy amd I'm very interested in imperial romanity.
> I hpo to join soon the community.
>
> Paul


Subject:	[novaroma] Women Warriors in Ancient Rome
From:	Valerian75@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:18:52 EDT

Salvete!

I am currently doing studies on women warriors in ancient rome. I would like
to know if anyone has any information on this or would like to be involved in
this kind of study. My goal is to cover roman women in general with an
emphasis on the warriors themselves. I am hoping to make this into something
more with those in my area. If you live in DC, MD, or VA please let me know
if you would be interested. If you don't live in the area, but would like to
"get together" for discussion just e-mail me as well.

Valete,
Lucia Ambrosia Valeria
Valerian75@aol.com

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] MEGALESIA LUDI CIRCENSES - Blues Frater!
From:	"Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 07 Apr 2002 15:31:30 -0700

GAIVSCORNELIVSAHENOBARBVSOMNIBVSSPD
Well, it turned out that Iaculator didn't spill out in the earlier heats.
But now's the round that counts, eh? Um I actually missed the first round,
as I was engaged under the bleachers. But Iaculator has told me he will be
available for interviews after the Finals. Um, he does other work in
non-racing related jobs as well.
Anyhow, yes, he's up against two of the Greens. Well that's what it takes,
really. Well we know the special relation ship I have with Iupiter OM. His
realm is the sky. And we all know *what color that is*.
It's going to be a Blue Monday for you Greens!

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Subject:	[novaroma] PRAETORAL EDICTUM: AMENDMENT TO FORUM LANGUAGE POLICY
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Apr 2002 01:40:01 -0000

This Praetoral Edictum is an effort to extend some elacrity with
respect to the existing language guidelines for INFORMAL
communications on the mainlist here at Nova Roma.

Given the appeal I have had from several citizens, and the positive
stance by a few magistrates and peers, together with some serious
soul searching, I hereby issue the following.

PREAMBLE

This amendment to the current language policies of the Nova Roma
mainlist are an attempt to reconcile two pieces of legislation:

I direct you to the Constitution of Nova Roma, "Citizenship" B 4.
where we will read: "the right (of citizens) to participate in all
public forums and discussions, and the right to reasonably expect
such forums to be supported by the State. Such communication,
regardless of their content, may not be restricted by the State
except when they represent and imminent and clear danger to the
republic. Such officially sponsored forums may be expected to be
reasonable moderated in the interests of maintaining order and
civility.

Praetor's comment; The use of a language per se, in the use of
informal communications (within the parameters of what is acceptable
in the current list guidelines) is not dangerous and disruptive...it
is the thought and meaning conveyed in the use of any language which
is dangerous and disruptive. Hence the need for moderation, and the
need last year for tighter moderation, as the instances of list abuse
were escalating.

Since this constitutional text, in an effort to maintain continuity
with respect to formal communications, the LEX CORNELIA DE LINGUIS
PUBLICUS, was adopted by Comitia, which deals with FORMAL and
OFFICIAL communication, and further requires Senate Appointed
Translators (Decuriae Interepretes) to translate leges and proposed,
Plebiscita, Senatus Consulta, Priestly Degreta, Magisterial edictum
into either English or Latin, according to the text and the nature of
the official communication. This lex also provides for translations
of formal communication into major languages for the benefit of those
who do not speak or understand English well.

Please see Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaroma/message/29435 for
the complete lex text.

Praetor's Comment: As the above serves to organize and facilitate
understanding of our laws, and continuity of formal communications, I
highly support it, atleast until a more efficient means of dealing
with the problem of multilinguistics are concerned.

As I support the above lex in dealing with formal communications,
BUT ALSO the right of citizens to participate in open forums
(Consitution), I make the following analogy:

Imagine the forum of the ancients...busy, loud, conversational...one
couldn't always hear oneself think! There would be several groups of
people....some speaking Egyptian, some Greek, oh a couple of
Ethiopians, some speaking Italian dialects......these people enjoyed
their conversations in their own tongue. However, each of these were
either provincials of Rome or Roman citizens. They had the right to
public forums (constitution) but not the right to expect their tax
bill in Egyptian or Ethiopian (Lex Cornelia De Lingus Publicus)

The afforementioned is a preamble to explain the rationale of why I
feel at legal liberty to issue this edictum, with a solution of
sorts, on a PRO TEMPORE basis.

***********************

AMENDMENTS TO EXISTING MAINLIST LANGUAGE POLICY

1. Those who wish to speak about anything Roman related in a
nonEnglish language which is not formal communication as outlined in
the above-mentioned lex Cornelia, nor contravenes existing guidelines
may feel free to do so, IF THERE IS A PROPRAETOR, HIS SCRIBA,
LEGATUS, PROCURATOR, OR SENATOR, FLUENT IN THIS LANGUAGE WHO IS
WILLING TO BE A SCRIBA CURATOR FOR THIS LANGUAGE.

II. When no Scriba Curator for a given language exists, the
nonEnglish posting shall have to be accompanied by an English
translation, as it will be moderated/scrutinized by the Praetors,
and the Praetors for the moment, speak English and Latin only.

IIIScriba Curators must have the following qualifications:

a)They must swear an oath of office (or have done so in the past
year)

b)They much write a letter of application to the Praetors formally
volunteering for this status. (Trog99@hotmail.com) There may be
more than one Scriba Curator for one language, but the Praetors
reserve the final ruling on who would be best suited out of a group
of applicants.

III. Duties of the Scriba Curator:

a) To familiarize themselves with the current List Guidelines
(available from the Praetor, as well as this edictum.

b) To view the mainlist for posts in the language they are
moderating on a daily basis.

c)To notify the Praetors of any infarctions in list guidelines made
by another who is posting in that language, together with a forward
of the post in question.

IV. The Praetors shall issue ONE warning to the offender. Another
offence shall result in moderation of this individual for a period of
one month. A third offence shall result in moderation and/or a fine
not exceeding $25.00 U.S. funds, payable to the Quaestors.

V.All other portions on the current list guidelines shall prevail.

VI. This does not affect those who are on moderated status for list
infarctions other than what is deleanated in this edictum.
**********************************************************************
NOTAE

As outlined in the current list guidelines, this list does not allow
spam, or communication deemed dangerous and disruptive.

Imitation and defammation of other citizens using "whatever"
language, is discriminatory, dangerous and disruptive.

Blasphemies of the Gods, or ad hoc belittling of the faith of others
is considered discriminatory, dangerous and disruptive.

Continued pleas in 'any' language for citizens to consider leaving
Nova Roma to join another Romanitas-celebrating group, does not
exactly promote the integrity of Nova Roma, either. In fact, it is
also SPAM.

I wish no other group any illwill whatsoever, but a string of pleas
in the Nova Roma Forum in varying languages about, for example, the
SVR, is not going to make me feel very secure about this pro tempore
proposal.

In short, I can see where alot of you don't feel at home, and feel
unnecessarily slighted due to some prior strictures in language usage
which were unfortunately, necessary.

LET US WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THEM UNNECESSARY. WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR GOOD COMMUNICATION. WE ARE A REPUBLIC.

*****************

VII. The Praetors reserve the right to revert to the previous
language policy at any time if it is determined that multiple
infarctions of list guidelines, Nova Roma laws, etc. are being
violated because of the new multilinguistics of informal
communication.

VIII.The edictum shall prevail until Comitia adopts another policy
superceding this one, or until August 1 2755 AUC, whichever comes
first. If in existance until August 1, the policy shall be
reevaluated by the Praetors and their advisors, the Senate and the
Consuls to determine if such protocol can be safely continued.

Issued April 07, 2755 AUC, in the Consulship of Marcus Octavius
Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix II


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: April's agenda
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <pokrock@aol.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:28:54 -0000

<snipped for brevity>
> This month, will hopefully be a bit less
> stressful than February, but I believe will be just as productive.
<snipped for brevity>
> Before I get to state my agenda, both for the Senate and the People
> Now, lets get to the good stuff:
>
> For the Comitia:
>
> 1. Lex Cornelia (title needed) - Census law
> 2. Lex Cornelia - Century points
> 3. Lex Octavia Cornelia (title needed) - Main list moderator
>proposal.
>

Salve,

And I thought April was going to be a busy month with just the
festivals that the Aediles are working so hard and well on. Between
the Plebian Tribune runoffs and your agenda when are those poor
rogators going to find time to enjoy the games? (grin)

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: April's agenda
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Sun, 07 Apr 2002 19:24:04 -0700

LOL poor Rogators, but that's what we get paid for..OH wait..we don't
get paid! Bummer! <g>

Valete,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

quintuscassiuscalvus wrote:

> <snipped for brevity>
> > This month, will hopefully be a bit less
> > stressful than February, but I believe will be just as productive.
> <snipped for brevity>
> > Before I get to state my agenda, both for the Senate and the People
> > Now, lets get to the good stuff:
> >
> > For the Comitia:
> >
> > 1. Lex Cornelia (title needed) - Census law
> > 2. Lex Cornelia - Century points
> > 3. Lex Octavia Cornelia (title needed) - Main list moderator
> >proposal.
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> And I thought April was going to be a busy month with just the
> festivals that the Aediles are working so hard and well on. Between
> the Plebian Tribune runoffs and your agenda when are those poor
> rogators going to find time to enjoy the games? (grin)
>
> Pax,
>
> Quintus Cassius Calvus
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
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>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Women Warriors in Ancient Rome
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:22:46 EDT

In a message dated 4/7/02 5:18:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Valerian75@aol.com writes:

> My goal is to cover roman women in general with an
> emphasis on the warriors themselves. I am hoping to make this into
> something
> more with those in my area. If you live in DC, MD, or VA please let me
> know
> if you would be interested. If you don't live in the area, but would like
> to
> "get together" for discussion just e-mail me as well.
>
>
Salvete!
Roman women were not allowed to fight in combat. Camp followers existed on
campaign for the legionaries, but unlike barbarian women accompanying their
warriors, would not be expected to fight in case of emergency. (Parthians
slaughtered thousands during the Carrhae campaign.)
Roman women Patricians did not have a martial tradition like other noble
warrior families.
They were expected to comport themselves with honor, and could kill, if their
honor demanded it, just like they were expected to take their own lives, to
restore a Gens or Family honor, but they were not instructed in the martial
arts of swordsmanship, and shield work like the Roman Patrician males.
There were female Gladiators. Through it was frowned on by the Aediles and
Editors, often female warriors were included by lanistas' as a novelty. They
usually fought bare breasted for obvious reasons, however a fascination with
the topless Amazon (Skythian sword maidens) warriors can be traced from
Hellenic myth, that the Romans adopted, thus such combat and dress could be
seen as honoring that myth. The women usually fought as retarii (netmen)
though Martialius tells of one "comely creature" who fought as a thrax.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: PRAETORAL EDICTUM: AMENDMENT TO FORUM LANGUAGE POLICY
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Apr 2002 02:48:11 -0000

--- AMENDMENT TO THE PRAETORAL EDICTUM TEXT BELOW:

Section VI speaks of a fine of not more than $25.00 U.S. payable to
the Quaestors of Nova Roma. This clause is hereby amended to the
following "payable to the Consular Quaestors of Nova Roma"

Valete,
P. Cornelia Strabo
Praetrix

In novaroma@y..., "pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@h...> wrote:
>
>
> This Praetoral Edictum is an effort to extend some elacrity with
> respect to the existing language guidelines for INFORMAL
> communications on the mainlist here at Nova Roma.
>
> Given the appeal I have had from several citizens, and the positive
> stance by a few magistrates and peers, together with some serious
> soul searching, I hereby issue the following.
>
> PREAMBLE
>
> This amendment to the current language policies of the Nova Roma
> mainlist are an attempt to reconcile two pieces of legislation:
>
> I direct you to the Constitution of Nova Roma, "Citizenship" B 4.
> where we will read: "the right (of citizens) to participate in all
> public forums and discussions, and the right to reasonably expect
> such forums to be supported by the State. Such communication,
> regardless of their content, may not be restricted by the State
> except when they represent and imminent and clear danger to the
> republic. Such officially sponsored forums may be expected to be
> reasonable moderated in the interests of maintaining order and
> civility.
>
> Praetor's comment; The use of a language per se, in the use of
> informal communications (within the parameters of what is
acceptable
> in the current list guidelines) is not dangerous and
disruptive...it
> is the thought and meaning conveyed in the use of any language
which
> is dangerous and disruptive. Hence the need for moderation, and
the
> need last year for tighter moderation, as the instances of list
abuse
> were escalating.
>
> Since this constitutional text, in an effort to maintain continuity
> with respect to formal communications, the LEX CORNELIA DE LINGUIS
> PUBLICUS, was adopted by Comitia, which deals with FORMAL and
> OFFICIAL communication, and further requires Senate Appointed
> Translators (Decuriae Interepretes) to translate leges and
proposed,
> Plebiscita, Senatus Consulta, Priestly Degreta, Magisterial edictum
> into either English or Latin, according to the text and the nature
of
> the official communication. This lex also provides for translations
> of formal communication into major languages for the benefit of
those
> who do not speak or understand English well.
>
> Please see Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaroma/message/29435 for
> the complete lex text.
>
>
>
>
>
> Praetor's Comment: As the above serves to organize and facilitate
> understanding of our laws, and continuity of formal communications,
I
> highly support it, atleast until a more efficient means of dealing
> with the problem of multilinguistics are concerned.
>
> As I support the above lex in dealing with formal communications,
> BUT ALSO the right of citizens to participate in open forums
> (Consitution), I make the following analogy:
>
> Imagine the forum of the ancients...busy, loud,
conversational...one
> couldn't always hear oneself think! There would be several groups
of
> people....some speaking Egyptian, some Greek, oh a couple of
> Ethiopians, some speaking Italian dialects......these people
enjoyed
> their conversations in their own tongue. However, each of these
were
> either provincials of Rome or Roman citizens. They had the right
to
> public forums (constitution) but not the right to expect their tax
> bill in Egyptian or Ethiopian (Lex Cornelia De Lingus Publicus)
>
>
> The afforementioned is a preamble to explain the rationale of why I
> feel at legal liberty to issue this edictum, with a solution of
> sorts, on a PRO TEMPORE basis.
>
> ***********************
>
> AMENDMENTS TO EXISTING MAINLIST LANGUAGE POLICY
>
> 1. Those who wish to speak about anything Roman related in a
> nonEnglish language which is not formal communication as outlined
in
> the above-mentioned lex Cornelia, nor contravenes existing
guidelines
> may feel free to do so, IF THERE IS A PROPRAETOR, HIS SCRIBA,
> LEGATUS, PROCURATOR, OR SENATOR, FLUENT IN THIS LANGUAGE WHO IS
> WILLING TO BE A SCRIBA CURATOR FOR THIS LANGUAGE.
>
> II. When no Scriba Curator for a given language exists, the
> nonEnglish posting shall have to be accompanied by an English
> translation, as it will be moderated/scrutinized by the Praetors,
> and the Praetors for the moment, speak English and Latin only.
>
> IIIScriba Curators must have the following qualifications:
>
> a)They must swear an oath of office (or have done so in the past
> year)
>
> b)They much write a letter of application to the Praetors formally
> volunteering for this status. (Trog99@h...) There may be
> more than one Scriba Curator for one language, but the Praetors
> reserve the final ruling on who would be best suited out of a group
> of applicants.
>
> III. Duties of the Scriba Curator:
>
> a) To familiarize themselves with the current List Guidelines
> (available from the Praetor, as well as this edictum.
>
> b) To view the mainlist for posts in the language they are
> moderating on a daily basis.
>
> c)To notify the Praetors of any infarctions in list guidelines
made
> by another who is posting in that language, together with a forward
> of the post in question.
>
> IV. The Praetors shall issue ONE warning to the offender. Another
> offence shall result in moderation of this individual for a period
of
> one month. A third offence shall result in moderation and/or a
fine
> not exceeding $25.00 U.S. funds, payable to the Quaestors.
>
> V.All other portions on the current list guidelines shall prevail.
>
> VI. This does not affect those who are on moderated status for
list
> infarctions other than what is deleanated in this edictum.
>
**********************************************************************
> NOTAE
>
> As outlined in the current list guidelines, this list does not
allow
> spam, or communication deemed dangerous and disruptive.
>
> Imitation and defammation of other citizens using "whatever"
> language, is discriminatory, dangerous and disruptive.
>
> Blasphemies of the Gods, or ad hoc belittling of the faith of
others
> is considered discriminatory, dangerous and disruptive.
>
> Continued pleas in 'any' language for citizens to consider leaving
> Nova Roma to join another Romanitas-celebrating group, does not
> exactly promote the integrity of Nova Roma, either. In fact, it is
> also SPAM.
>
> I wish no other group any illwill whatsoever, but a string of pleas
> in the Nova Roma Forum in varying languages about, for example, the
> SVR, is not going to make me feel very secure about this pro
tempore
> proposal.
>
> In short, I can see where alot of you don't feel at home, and feel
> unnecessarily slighted due to some prior strictures in language
usage
> which were unfortunately, necessary.
>
> LET US WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THEM UNNECESSARY. WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE
> RESPONSIBILITY FOR GOOD COMMUNICATION. WE ARE A REPUBLIC.
>
> *****************
>
> VII. The Praetors reserve the right to revert to the previous
> language policy at any time if it is determined that multiple
> infarctions of list guidelines, Nova Roma laws, etc. are being
> violated because of the new multilinguistics of informal
> communication.
>
> VIII.The edictum shall prevail until Comitia adopts another policy
> superceding this one, or until August 1 2755 AUC, whichever comes
> first. If in existance until August 1, the policy shall be
> reevaluated by the Praetors and their advisors, the Senate and the
> Consuls to determine if such protocol can be safely continued.
>
>
> Issued April 07, 2755 AUC, in the Consulship of Marcus Octavius
> Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix II


Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Britannia get-together 14 April
From:	"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:53:07 -0400

Salvete!

There will be a Nova Britannia provincial get-together at my home in
Plymouth, MA on Sunday April 14th starting at 12:00pm. Refreshments will
be provided (pizza & beverages) and entertainment will include at least
one Roman themed movie (TBD). This is a great opportunity to meet your
fellow citizens in the flesh and discuss all things Roman. Participants
are encouraged (though certainly not required!) to take an active role
in the meeting � such as putting together a small presentation on a
Roman topic of their interest, performing a reading or Roman poetry,
etc! I will be putting together a brief presentation on the basics of
the Roman Army, and Scriba Propraetoris Gaius Lanius Falco will discuss
some ideas he has regarding possible NR related business ventures to
raise revenue (T-shirts, etc). Hopefully this will evolve into a regular
event if the participation merits it! If you are interested in coming
please RSVP me on either the mailing lists or at shinjikun@shinjikun.com
as soon as possible! Thank you and I hope to see some of you there!

Directions to my Domus:

>From the North or West:

Take Route 93 South to Route 3 South.
Follow Route 3 South and get off on Exit 6A onto Route 44 East.
Follow Route 44 East/Samoset Street about � mile, through the blinking
light
Turn Right onto Allerton Street, Drive up to the top of the hill and
take your first right onto Vernon Street.
My House is the first house on your right, number 16. It is a large
white house adjacent to a small park.
Parking in the street is ok :-)

If anyone needs directions from anywhere else � please shoot me an
e-mail and I�ll get them to you.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Quaestor
Lictor Curiatus
Legate of Massachusetts
Scriba Propraetoris, Nova Britannia

ICQ# 28924742

"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." - Vegetius

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Women Warriors in Ancient Rome
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Apr 2002 03:29:04 -0000

---Salvete Lucia Ambrosia et al:

Lucia, you may want to check out the history of Agrippina the Elder,
wife of Germanicus, son of Livia Augusta, wife of Augustus Caesar.
Although not an official legionary, she could be considered
a "legionary wannabe".

She was very manly in manner. So much so, that in one essay I read on
her, Tiberius would refer to her in male Latin terms.

She was quick to greet Germanicus' legionaries upon return from
battle, a custom usually reserved for the Legion Praefectus/General.

Apparently she ran a small hospital of sorts in the city which is
known today as Cologne, Germany. It was, I think, originally,
Colonia Agrippina in name.

Definitely a contributory part of Germanicus' military stance in
indirect ways.........

Check out Agrippina the Elder in a Search Engine

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo

In novaroma@y..., Valerian75@a... wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> I am currently doing studies on women warriors in ancient rome. I
would like
> to know if anyone has any information on this or would like to be
involved in
> this kind of study. My goal is to cover roman women in general
with an
> emphasis on the warriors themselves. I am hoping to make this into
something
> more with those in my area. If you live in DC, MD, or VA please
let me know
> if you would be interested. If you don't live in the area, but
would like to
> "get together" for discussion just e-mail me as well.
>
> Valete,
> Lucia Ambrosia Valeria
> Valerian75@a...
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[novaroma] a challenge to the Minucii
From:	"althenutter" <Althenutter@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Apr 2002 06:53:47 -0000

Avete everyone,

my chariot driver, Titus Sertorius Albinus, is in a foaming rage over
his defeat at the hands of the Minucii. It was all i could do to
stop him from taking his sword over to your villa and having a
frenzied orgy of destruction.

He has calmed down, but is still certain that you "ganged up" on
him. In his incensed mood, he has decided to enter the gladiatorial
combat, and asks that the Minucii enter their chariot drivers in the
same contest, so that he can end their lives legally.

Are you up to the challenge, Romans of that noble gens Minucia?

<G>

Avete,
Servius Cornelius Cato.


Subject:	[novaroma] MEGALESIA CULTURAL AWARD - the jury have finished
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:03:27 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

MEGALESIA CULTURAL AWARD
1st Edition
--------------------------------------------------
Today the Jury of the first Niva Roman Litterary Award in honour of
Megalesia Ludi, Magna Mater (Cybele), the Punic Wars and the Agricolture,
have finished to evaluate the works running.
I'm calculating the final results and I can say you that the difference is
very little, congratulations to all the writers.
The three works are:

DE BELLO NOVA ROMANO by Marcus Octavius Solaris
ON THE MEGALESIA by Vopisca Iulia Cocceia
A TRAGIC TALE by Marcus Minucius Audens

You can find the text of the poems at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohoraedilis/ludi/megalesia/mca.htm

The Illustra Jury is composed by important and skilled members of our Res
Publica:
- Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (Senior Curule Aedile)
- Marcus Octavius Germanicus (Senior Consul)
- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (Junior Consul)
- Amulius Claudius Petrus (Junior Curule Aedile)
- Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix (Coryphaeus of Sodalitas Musarum, Senior
Aedile Plebis)
- Caius Curius Saturninus (Procurator Academia Thules)
- Marcus Octavius Solaris (the former Coryphaeus of Sodalitas Musarum)

They have to judge the works by the following table:
- Links by the contents (0-10 points)
- Roman historical references (0-10 points)
- Language (0-5 points)
- Poetry and dramatization (0-5 points)
- Romanitas and roman values (0-10 points)

Tomorrow Illustrus Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus will
announce the Winner of the Constest.

I want to thank the member of the Jury, they have made a fantastic and
timely work with seriousness and competence. Thank you very much.

** The Megalesia Cultural Award is produced by Senior Curule Aedile Caeso
Fabius Quinilianus and organized by Quaestor Franciscus Apulus Caesar.

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	[novaroma] Special Announcement for Temple of Religio Romana Ceremony
From:	AntoniaCorneliaOctavia <europamoon7@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:26:02 -0700 (PDT)

Avete Omnes!

This is to give you an update for the ceremony for the
Temple of Religio Romana to be held on Sunday, April
21 at 1:00 p.m. in Tustin, Ca.

Making special appearances will be Dionysus Flamen
Solus and Miles Gregarius in full legionnaire uniforms
as guards of the Temple.

Please join us in this special celebration of Rome's
birthday and honoring Venus, Goddess of Love and
Beauty. This will be an informal gathering and topics
of discussion will include The Founding of Roma, a
lesson from the Handbook of Eptictetus and The Origins
of the Religio Romana.

A Roman-style lunch, birthday cake and drinks will be
included.

Please email Romancivis@aol.com for directions.

I hope to see you there!

Pax Deorum and Blessings to all!

Valete,

Antonia Cornelia Octaviana
President: Chairman of the Board
Temple of Religio Romana

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Presentazione/hello
From:	"anonypl" <anonypl@yahoo.it>
Date:	Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:52:55 -0000

Ciao,
grazie della risposta.
Vado subito a consultare il sito ed ad iscrivermi alla mailing list
italiana.

Paolo

Hi,
thank you for the answer.
I'm going to connect to your site and to joing the italian mailing
list.

Paolo


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Latin Lesson 1---Part 1
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:42:22 +0200

Salvete omnes,

First of all, thank you for the many answers! I am very happy to get so many,
since it will definitely help me understand the mistakes I make.

> If I may be so bold as to answer a few of your questions.

What makes you think that you are bold to do so? I have nothing at all against
it.

>1.) While it would be more idiomatically correct to translate Latin
>phrases into English with articles, I would advise against doing so
>in the early period of one's study. I know I was able to "think" in
>Latin more idiomatically when I translated as closely as possible to
>the original form. Since in Latin we do not have articles, when one
>says "Caecilus est pater" we don't know if one means Caecilus is /a/
>father or if Caecilus is /the/ father. So unless we have context, I
>would tend to use the indefinite article, because using the definite
>article would lead to the natural question of "The father of whom?"

Accepted! The way we learnt it here in Switzerland is a little different,
but the main things are the same.

>(Well it does for me anyway). Of course we don't have this problem
>in Attic Greek, which I would urge my illustrious proconsul to study
>as well. ;)

A wonderful language! Unfortunately, my teacher in school was such a ......
that I lost all interest for the language. At least I learned it during 5
years!!

>2.) As for word order, again I would stress that the beginner try to
>translate following the original Latin word order as closely as
>possible so that they may train their mind to anticipate the
>usual "Subject/Object/Verb" word order of Latin. While word order is
>freer in a case declined language, there is an "expected" word order
>and one deviates from that to show emphasis. If I say "scribit pater
>in tablino" then I'm expressing something that could only be
>expressed in English using vocal stress. Namely that Father is in
>the study /writing/! (Perhaps implying that he usually doesn't
>write). If I say "in tablino pater scribit" then I'm emphasizing the
>fact that he is writing /in the study/, again implying that there is
>something special about that fact. So, IMHO, the beginner should be
>aware of the normal word order of Latin and translate accordingly
>until they are more comfortable translating more idiomatically.

Fine with me. Thanks for the clarification.

>3.) I agree that servus should have been translated. What makes you
>think that we in the US don't talk about slavery? I mean we fought
>our only civil war over it!

Sorry, if I said something wrong. I thought that it might well be something
where people get uncomfortable talking about. After all, it was a civil war!
That means that your own country was not thinking along the same lines.

>4.) As for translation of the present tense, either way is correct.
>My only concern is that when one gets to the passive voice, one
>could be confused about the difference between "he is drinking"
>and "he is being drunk." This is a problem inherent in English
>though and not in Latin. (And being an English teacher, I see errors
>of this kind often enough, believe it or not).

Indeed, I believe you. At the beginning of my English studies I had the same
problems, don't worry.

Curate ut valeatis, Tiberius Annaeus Otho


Subject:	[novaroma] Megalesia Ludi Circenses
From:	"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:18:36 -0000

Salvete,

My thanks to all who helped organize and administer the chariot
races. I thought they were great fun even though my poor Cruelicus
met his end in the first race.

And...despite the fact that the Greens obviously were spreading some
sesteri around under the table!

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas


Subject:	[novaroma] THE FINAL OF THE MEGALESIA LUDI CIRCENSES
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:39:37 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

It's the final day, the hotest, the Circus is full and the open air
is full of strain .... Out on the Arena the hooligans are fighting
and the Guards are trying to quiet the factions. Who will win? The
formidable Inexpugnabilis, the brilliant Phaeton, the imperial
Aquilifer or the prudent Flavia Ferrata? Two GREENS versus one BLUE
and one RED. Will they succeed in destroying the Praesina Army?
Attention Inexpugnabilis, you are in a honored race not in a Martial
poem.What kind of drug have Spurius Diocles taken?
------------------------------------------------------
= MEGALESIA LUDI CIRCENSES =
FINAL

Start Line:

= Inexpugnabilis
driver: Ignis
by Caius Curius Saturninus
Race tactic: (1)

= Aquilifer
driver: Noefequix
by M. Minicius Rufus
Race tactic: (1)

= Phaeton
driver: Flavius Iaculator
by G. Cornelius Ahenobarbus
Race tactic: (2)

= Flavia Ferrata
driver: Spurius Diocles
by C. Flavius Diocletianus
Race tactic: (1)

History:
The steps of the circus overflows of public in this spring evening.
There are three colors that fill the landscape: The red, the blue and
the green ones. The supporters of the Factio Albata (whites) has
decided to stay in their homes to not to be the target of all the
jeers. Today two green cars will run against a red car and another
blue. Inexpugnabilis, driven by Ignis is the favorite in the bets,
all the public comments that Ben-Hur has recommended Inexpugnabilis.
But the super-red Aquilifer, driven by Noefequix, and the blue and
brilliant Phaeton, driven by the famous Flavius Iaculator, are each
prepared to be the surprise. The Flavia Ferrata and its driver
Spurius Diocles, descendant in 36 generation of the famous driver
Diocles of the II century A.D., also are an important rival. Indeed,
everything is possible in this race and the expectations are at their
maximum level. The chariots enter the sand of the circus and the
public applauds and waves the scarves of its most dear color. An
absent-minded white, probably a madman, raises his scarf in a
corner, but soon a rain of blue-green-red confetti expels him from
his seat. A bad day for the whites, heh, heh.

The chariots do the lap of presentation greeting the public. The blue
supporters have sunglasses to better see their beloved Phaeton, but
the other supporters have to look away. Wow, it is really a brilliant
chariot, but in the races good horses and drivers are necessary. Is
Phaeton as good as it looks brilliant? Soon we will see.

The race begins!

The public roars when the four chariots pass the first curve. It is
evident that their tactics are rapid and risky, no one loses his time
giving lashes to his rivals. Inexpugnabilis is first - I already said
it, Ben-Hur comments for the BBC TV - but Aquilifer is its quick
shade. Behind, Phaeton dazzles as ever and Flavia Ferrata waits for
its chance.
The race is frantic and the spina throws sparks in every lap. The
blues use their old tactics of the nice girl in the first row. It is
a tactics as old as the world but it works very well with the green
Ignis, the driver of Inexpugnabilis, which loses speed to fix his
eyes in the pretty blue girl of transparente veils that greets him
from her seat. Stupid, looks ahead!, the green supporters shouts him,
but the damage already is made. Phaeton and Aquilifer advances past
Inexpugnabilis. Ben-Hur have already decided to not comment on
anything. Is it the time of the blues and the brilliant Phaeton... or
not? I say this because the super-red Aquilifer looks for the victory
and soon it reaches Phaeton. The two begins the last lap almost
equal. The heads of its horses are close and its wheels get rubbed.
The blue and red public can not tolerate so many emotions, the
hysterical shouts and the faints abound at the steps, the support to
the gods is constant. Arrg... I, myself, am electrical! Who will win?
Who will be the champion of the Ludi Megalenses? Reds? Blues? The
absent-minded white? No! The hidden Flavia Ferrata arises from the
end of the queue. The green public shouts "Victoria Nostra" and the
circus is covered of green flags.

Flavia Ferrata advances past its surprised rivals in the last curve,
without any mercy. Phaeton goes out as a cigarette and Noefequix of
the Aquilifer shouts very angered: "This is a robbery! That chariot
is doped!" But not, simply the driver Spurius Diocles has could
control the effort of his horses for rushing in the appropriate
moment. Flavia Ferrata crosses the line of the goal in the first
position! The second is Phaeton, very resigned, and the third is
Aquilifer, with the angriest Noefequix. The fourth was a slow
Inexpugnabilis with a low Ignis.

Spurius Diocles was grateful for the victory and offer his thanks to
the goddess Magna Mater. He also offered his victory to all the green
supporters, which took him on their shoulders for a tour round the
whole city, shouting "PRAESINA! PRAESINA!"

THE WINNER IS FLAVIA FERRATA
Sponsored by C. Flavius Diocletianus

Last news: Ben-Hur has commented: "I, of course, always thought that
Flavia Ferrata would be the champion. I don't understand why many
bettors want to sue me."

On the other hand, Noefequix has asked the honorable Senoir Aedilis
Curulis for more doping controls for the next races. "I can lose, but
Flavia Ferrata is a bluff. All the greens are liars", he said.

Results
WINNER: Flavia Ferrata
2nd: Phaeton
3th: Aquilifer
4th: Inexpugnabilis

What an incredible race without accidents? Only, only, only speed
like flying with wings! The Megalesia Ludi Circenses are finished but
we're waiting for you to enroll in the next Floreales Ludi, take of
care you chariot!

See you in the next and even more exciting Floreales Ludi Circenses 2nd Edition
....

You can see the tournement within the certifate of Victory for
FlaviaFerrata at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/megalesia/tour.htm
and the history of the final race at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/megalesia/tour.htm

Megalesia Ludi Circenses is produced by the "Senior Curule Aedile":
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus.
Organization by "Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus": Franciscus
Apulus Caesar.
Histories and co-organization by "Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.)
Cursus Equorum": Gnaeus Salix Galaicus.
Technical support by "Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Concursus
Primus": Caius Curius Saturninus.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
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************************************************
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Subject:	AW: [novaroma] THE FINAL OF THE MEGALESIA LUDI CIRCENSES
From:	<3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:01:39 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete Quirites.

With some pride I saw the final results: Flavia Ferrata has won the race! The Greens has won the race!! I had no doubt about this result...

Full of joy I see my chariot and my driver Spurius Diocles with the winner�s signs. No doubt, he was the best driver, and he does not need to take any drugs nor doping, and also my horses. Training, Quirites, is all they need, and sufficient tactics. He�ll get an additional donativum and the finest wine and the finest girls available for tonight. Enough to motivate him for the next race...

My heartful thanks to Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis! Gentlemen, you made a fine work! My Congratulations! Continue your outstanding work for our Res Publica.

Vivat Nova Roma!

With a green Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Sponsor of the Winner

-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
An: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Senden: 05:39
Betreff: [novaroma] THE FINAL OF THE MEGALESIA LUDI CIRCENSES

Salvete Quirites!

It's the final day, the hotest, the Circus is full and the open air
is full of strain .... Out on the Arena the hooligans are fighting
and the Guards are trying to quiet the factions. Who will win? The
formidable Inexpugnabilis, the brilliant Phaeton, the imperial
Aquilifer or the prudent Flavia Ferrata? Two GREENS versus one BLUE
and one RED. Will they succeed in destroying the Praesina Army?
Attention Inexpugnabilis, you are in a honored race not in a Martial
poem.What kind of drug have Spurius Diocles taken?
------------------------------------------------------
= MEGALESIA LUDI CIRCENSES =
FINAL

Start Line:

= Inexpugnabilis
driver: Ignis
by Caius Curius Saturninus
Race tactic: (1)

= Aquilifer
driver: Noefequix
by M. Minicius Rufus
Race tactic: (1)

= Phaeton
driver: Flavius Iaculator
by G. Cornelius Ahenobarbus
Race tactic: (2)

= Flavia Ferrata
driver: Spurius Diocles
by C. Flavius Diocletianus
Race tactic: (1)

History:
The steps of the circus overflows of public in this spring evening.
There are three colors that fill the landscape: The red, the blue and
the green ones. The supporters of the Factio Albata (whites) has
decided to stay in their homes to not to be the target of all the
jeers. Today two green cars will run against a red car and another
blue. Inexpugnabilis, driven by Ignis is the favorite in the bets,
all the public comments that Ben-Hur has recommended Inexpugnabilis.
But the super-red Aquilifer, driven by Noefequix, and the blue and
brilliant Phaeton, driven by the famous Flavius Iaculator, are each
prepared to be the surprise. The Flavia Ferrata and its driver
Spurius Diocles, descendant in 36 generation of the famous driver
Diocles of the II century A.D., also are an important rival. Indeed,
everything is possible in this race and the expectations are at their
maximum level. The chariots enter the sand of the circus and the
public applauds and waves the scarves of its most dear color. An
absent-minded white, probably a madman, raises his scarf in a
corner, but soon a rain of blue-green-red confetti expels him from
his seat. A bad day for the whites, heh, heh.

The chariots do the lap of presentation greeting the public. The blue
supporters have sunglasses to better see their beloved Phaeton, but
the other supporters have to look away. Wow, it is really a brilliant
chariot, but in the races good horses and drivers are necessary. Is
Phaeton as good as it looks brilliant? Soon we will see.

The race begins!

The public roars when the four chariots pass the first curve. It is
evident that their tactics are rapid and risky, no one loses his time
giving lashes to his rivals. Inexpugnabilis is first - I already said
it, Ben-Hur comments for the BBC TV - but Aquilifer is its quick
shade. Behind, Phaeton dazzles as ever and Flavia Ferrata waits for
its chance.
The race is frantic and the spina throws sparks in every lap. The
blues use their old tactics of the nice girl in the first row. It is
a tactics as old as the world but it works very well with the green
Ignis, the driver of Inexpugnabilis, which loses speed to fix his
eyes in the pretty blue girl of transparente veils that greets him
from her seat. Stupid, looks ahead!, the green supporters shouts him,
but the damage already is made. Phaeton and Aquilifer advances past
Inexpugnabilis. Ben-Hur have already decided to not comment on
anything. Is it the time of the blues and the brilliant Phaeton... or
not? I say this because the super-red Aquilifer looks for the victory
and soon it reaches Phaeton. The two begins the last lap almost
equal. The heads of its horses are close and its wheels get rubbed.
The blue and red public can not tolerate so many emotions, the
hysterical shouts and the faints abound at the steps, the support to
the gods is constant. Arrg... I, myself, am electrical! Who will win?
Who will be the champion of the Ludi Megalenses? Reds? Blues? The
absent-minded white? No! The hidden Flavia Ferrata arises from the
end of the queue. The green public shouts "Victoria Nostra" and the

circus is covered of green flags.

Flavia Ferrata advances past its surprised rivals in the last curve,
without any mercy. Phaeton goes out as a cigarette and Noefequix of
the Aquilifer shouts very angered: "This is a robbery! That chariot
is doped!" But not, simply the driver Spurius Diocles has could
control the effort of his horses for rushing in the appropriate
moment. Flavia Ferrata crosses the line of the goal in the first
position! The second is Phaeton, very resigned, and the third is
Aquilifer, with the angriest Noefequix. The fourth was a slow
Inexpugnabilis with a low Ignis.

Spurius Diocles was grateful for the victory and offer his thanks to
the goddess Magna Mater. He also offered his victory to all the green
supporters, which took him on their shoulders for a tour round the
whole city, shouting "PRAESINA! PRAESINA!"

THE WINNER IS FLAVIA FERRATA
Sponsored by C. Flavius Diocletianus

Last news: Ben-Hur has commented: "I, of course, always thought that
Flavia Ferrata would be the champion. I don't understand why many
bettors want to sue me."

On the other hand, Noefequix has asked the honorable Senoir Aedilis
Curulis for more doping controls for the next races. "I can lose, but
Flavia Ferrata is a bluff. All the greens are liars", he said.

Results
WINNER: Flavia Ferrata
2nd: Phaeton
3th: Aquilifer
4th: Inexpugnabilis

What an incredible race without accidents? Only, only, only speed
like flying with wings! The Megalesia Ludi Circenses are finished but
we're waiting for you to enroll in the next Floreales Ludi, take of
care you chariot!

See you in the next and even more exciting Floreales Ludi Circenses 2nd
Edition
...

You can see the tournement within the certifate of Victory for
FlaviaFerrata at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/megalesia/tour.htm
and the history of the final race at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/megalesia/tour.htm

Megalesia Ludi Circenses is produced by the "Senior Curule Aedile":

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus.
Organization by "Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus": Franciscus

Apulus Caesar.
Histories and co-organization by "Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.)
Cursus Equorum": Gnaeus Salix Galaicus.
Technical support by "Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Concursus
Primus": Caius Curius Saturninus.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] THE FINAL OF THE MEGALESIA LUDI CIRCENSES
From:	labienus@texas.net
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:35:04 US/Central

Salvete

PRA-SI-NA! PRA-SI-NA! PRA-SI-NA!

Excellent news! All those talents sacrificed to Epona paid off, and the
wonderful GREEN horses of Flavia Ferrata carried the day. Congratulations,
Diocletiane! The greens are redeemed, and I'm in such a good mood that poor
Horatius Peritus will receive his freedom this very day!

However, I did notice that a certain pretty girl in blue hadn't really left for
the provinces after all...

Valete
T Labienus Fortuantus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Megalesia Ludi Circenses
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:33:14 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete,

no wonder, my poor Leonnatus was obliged to fight
against three greens in the same race. Last dinner, he
refused to eat his salad...

Valete

--- g_popillius_laenas <ksterne@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> My thanks to all who helped organize and administer
> the chariot
> races. I thought they were great fun even though my
> poor Cruelicus
> met his end in the first race.
>
> And...despite the fact that the Greens obviously
> were spreading some
> sesteri around under the table!
>
> Valete,
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
>
>

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Terrarum dea gentiumque, Roma
Cui par est nihil et nihil secundum.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Return of Alexandria Iulia Agrippa
From:	"Theresa Irwin" <ravynstone@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:41:19 -0400

I am now back and offer my apologies for the sudden disappearance at the end
of February. I had a problem with my ISP. The email address has changed to
ravynstone@hotmail.com.
Alexandria Iulia Agrippa
ICQ# 25205373


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Megalesia Ludi Circenses
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:36:05 -0700 (PDT)


Subject:	[novaroma] Megalesa Ludi Circenses Victrumr
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Apr 2002 16:40:23 -0000

Salvete Censor Flavi Diocletione:

An outstanding performance by your racer!

Wine him and woman him well, Dio........:) :) :)

Congratulations,
Pompeia


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Comitia Plebis is convened
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:59:58 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete Cives,

> We are hereby officially calling the Comitia Plebis
> Tributa to fill the two vacant positions of Tribune of
> the Plebs.
>
> The planned Contio will extend from 03 to 08 Aprilis,
> and the votation is planned to extend from 08 to 17
> Apr.

Voting has begun.

Valete, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator


Subject:	[novaroma] Cerealia Gladiatoral Combat
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Apr 2002 21:23:53 -0000

P. CORNELIA STRABO QUIRITES NOVA ROMA

Amici, Romani, Peregrini.......

After an expanse of thought, ponderance, I feel 'called' to enter the
ring to defend and uphold the honour of Ceres as a Gladiatrix.

Shall it be said that the Propraetrix of Canada Orientalis is
*illprepared* to defend (entertain?) the Pantheon Matrona of her
Provincia????

Nonne! Notta, Nope, Noway, Hoseaus!!!

I stand prepared, with my vast experience :), and my Benefacarius
Praefectum Standard, scutum, gladius, pilum, net, and any other piece
of equipment I need to defend the honour and territory of Ceres.

I know, I will likely scare my opponents with my extensive list of
qualifications, and my imposing physical size of 5'0", 103 lb.

But..........I have to list them, or Amulius Claudius, Curule Aedile
may not let me into the competition.

Qualifications:

- viewed Demetrius and the Gladiators three times
- Viewed Sparticus once (didn't like Olivier as Crassus...ooooh)
- Watched Roman Military Maneuvers of Legio XX Maryland AND Legio
XXIV of Maryland IN PERSON (Ask Praefectus Gallio!)

- This nice lady named Hortensia taught me to use a wooden
sword...well, I kinda just watched....at Roman Days

- I watch wrestling on occasion
- I drive my son to Karate twice a week
-AND.......I know Maximus Minucius Gladius PHONE NUMBER!!!

AND YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT!!!!!!!! :) :)

And have I mentioned that I have sat at the virtual feet of
Militarium Historians Gneus Equitius and Q. Fabius, absorbing their
accounts of strategies, tactics and combat??.......yes I have!!!
Absorbed their teachings like, like....osmosis!!!

Worry not, Matrona, your territory and your honour are safe with me,
should they ever be in jeopardy!!!

I sincerely hope that this 'lengthy' list of qualifications and
formidable vital statistics do not send potential competitors fleeing
to the hills out of fear......

Pompeia


Subject:	[novaroma] Cerealia Gladiatoral Combat
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Apr 2002 21:23:48 -0000


Subject:	[novaroma] Academia Announcement : Basic Roman History Course
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:31:35 +0100 (BST)

Gnaeus Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.:

It is a great pleasure for me to announce a new course from the
Academia.
This second course will be a basic course on Roman History. It will be
imparted by Gnaeus Salix Galaicus, from Hispania.

The dates to remember are:

Last day to subscribe: April the 12th (Friday)
Course start: April the 15th (Monday)

You can subscribe or search for additional information at the Academia
web site:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/

If you have any question, please contact the Procurator Academiae,
Caius Curius Saturninus, at:
insulaumbra@fiasco.fi

Thank you for your attention, ladies and gentlemen; and please forgive
this little spam message :-).

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] a challenge to the Minucii
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:02:29 -0400 (EDT)

Master S.C. Cato;

May I respectfully suggest that if your "driver" has so little control
of himseff, and such a great blood lust that he should perhaps enlist in
the Legions. They will temper his self-control and more effectively
direct his blood-lust.

Should he be so indiscreet as to approach my villa, any of my immediate
family, or any of those of any of my extended family, the Legio
Beneficarii that patrol mine and my family's lands (I am after all the
Honorary Legate of Legio VI and a Military Archetechturas Tribune in
Legio XXIV) would "serve him out" and deliver him to the local
Magistrate, where in the fullness of time he would, I am certain, hang
from a Crusifix, for his unthinking and unprovoked attack on a Legio
Officer, Nova Roman Senator, and ProConsul. Temporary Insanity and
Arena--Rage are not considered overly much by my Beneficarii or the
Local Magistrates.

In regard to your rather crude, and totally inapproprient challenge, as
Paterfamilius, I release my Gens from any restrictions that they may
feel are appripriate to this situation toward thier Papterfamilius, and
bid them to take any action that they feel appropriate, knowing that my
Gens members are all thoughtful, intelligent and possessors of a srong
intellect, and a sharp and precise ability to evaluate the futility of
this rediculous sitiuation such as you propose. These are, after all,
merely games, and if those under your authority cannot contan themselves
because of any given loss due to thier ineptness, I would suggest that
you be rid of them lest some small bit of this "chariot-driver's"
indescretons stain the hem of your own toga.

As for myself, I must decline your somewhat dubious honor, as my wife
and I take ship for the North Regios of Scandia and the Mare Suebicum to
meet with Senator Quintillianus on Senate business. This trip has been
planned for three years, so your short-fused challenge cannot be
accomodated as my household staff and some guards go with me.

Marcus Minucius Audens;
Senator et ProConsul

(note:--- For the benefit of the ML members, the above message was
written as a period response to the challenge issued. It would have
been written on a wax tablet with a iron stylus [The brass stylus being
reserved only for messages of importance], secured by a sealing wax
wafer and my Senate Ring Seal over a purple cord wrapped thrice around
the covered tablet. It would be delivered, considering the threat
inferred by the chariot driver, by an armed Legio Beneficarii and
escort. No response would be expected or recieved by those delivering
the message. The chariot-driver would NOT be taken into custody and
delivered to the local Magistrate solely by my determination).