Subject:	[novaroma] Reminder! Nova Britannia get-together 14 April
From:	"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:51:50 -0400

Salvete!

There will be a Nova Britannia provincial get-together at my home in
Plymouth, MA on Sunday April 14th starting at 12:00pm. Refreshments will
be provided (pizza & beverages) and entertainment will include at least
one Roman themed movie (TBD). This is a great opportunity to meet your
fellow citizens in the flesh and discuss all things Roman. Participants
are encouraged (though certainly not required!) to take an active role
in the meeting – such as putting together a small presentation on a
Roman topic of their interest, performing a reading or Roman poetry,
etc! I will be putting together a brief presentation on the basics of
the Roman Army, and Scriba Propraetoris Gaius Lanius Falco will discuss
some ideas he has regarding possible NR related business ventures to
raise revenue (T-shirts, etc). Hopefully this will evolve into a regular
event if the participation merits it! If you are interested in coming
please RSVP me on either the mailing lists or at shinjikun@shinjikun.com
as soon as possible! Thank you and I hope to see some of you there!

Directions to my Domus:

>From the North or West:

Take Route 93 South to Route 3 South.
Follow Route 3 South and get off on Exit 6A onto Route 44 East.
Follow Route 44 East/Samoset Street about ½ mile, through the blinking
light
Turn Right onto Allerton Street, Drive up to the top of the hill and
take your first right onto Vernon Street.
My House is the first house on your right, number 16. It is a large
white house adjacent to a small park.
Parking in the street is ok :-)

If anyone needs directions from anywhere else – please shoot me an
e-mail and I’ll get them to you.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Quaestor
Lictor Curiatus
Legate of Massachusetts
Scriba Propraetoris, Nova Britannia


ICQ# 28924742

"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." - Vegetius



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Subject:	[novaroma] OPENING OF CERIALIA NOVA ROMA CELEBRATION
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:08:02 -0400

Salvete cives et amici,

Fellow citizens of Nova Roma, it is my pleasure to bring to you for the next
eight days this years Cerialia festival. Being the one charged to run this
event has been a very awarding experience. I hope those of you that
participate in this event find it just as awarding and spiritually
fulfilling as I have found it to be while organising it.

While planing this festival I concentrated on including the religio and its
leaders into the process of planning. Besides including the religio in this
festival I have also strived to make the festival as original as possible.
Me and my scriba went through many different possibilities for activities
before selecting the ones that are included in this years ludi Cerialia. I
hope that you find the activities included in these games to be original and
entertaining no matter what skills you may process. Most of all I hope that
you find this celebration a chance to become more acquainted with the
religio and your fellow citizens. With keeping all of this in mind, as your
Junior Curule Aedile I declare the MMDCCLV Ludi Cerialia officially open!
Enjoy, and may Ceres look upon us all favourably!

For the duration of the Cerialia please visit the Cerialia web site for
detailed more information.

http://www25.brinkster.com/canorien/cerialia/


THE HISTORY OF THE CERIALIA

This was a celebration that took place both in the city of Rome and in the
surrounding countryside. The whole celebration lasted 8 days starting on the
12th of April. Testimonies mention that the festival was a particular
plebeian festival, but not exclusively plebeian. Although, patrician and
noble plebeian gentes usually took part by leading a procession to the
temple of Ceres on the last day of the celebration. The observance of the
religious rituals of the Cerialia included the offering of wheat, grasses,
or salt to Ceres. It was also a custom to light torches during the Cerialia
as a symbol of when Ceres went into the underworld in search of Proserpina
and lit two pine trees on fire to provide light during her search. All of
these offerings are done in order to receive the blessing of Ceres before
the start of the new season while the fields were still being prepared for
the sowing of seeds.

During the festival it was popular to wear white clothing and wrathes of
ears on ones head as a way of honouring Ceres. Women were also obliged not
to have any sexual intercourse within 9 days before the last day of the
festival, this means the period of ritual chastity for women taking part in
this ceremony begins April 10th, 2 days before the introduction of the
Cerialia.

The last day of the Cerialia was when the actual games took place. Ovid
tells of us that these games always took place in the Circus Maxiumus.
During these games the most important event was the letting lose of foxes
that had lit torches tied to their tails. The burning of the foxes may have
been done in order to punish the various races of vermin who destroy the
crops. Although, according to some the interpretation of the fox ritual is
highly dubious. Some scholars think Ovid actually invented this "old rite",
others think it is a rite to "scare away the heat of the sun". Ovid's
testimony can also be read that foxes were dragging burning torches through
the circus without being killed. This last interpretation seems the most
reasonable.

TODAYS EVENTS

The following events will take place later today:

- Chat room 4:00 PM EST and 9:00 PM EST.
- Opening of contest "Where in Rome?"
- Sacrifice ritual to Ceres
- First gladiator combat between Mannus (Gaius Minucius Hadrianus) and
Maturus (Amulius Claudius Petrus)

Valete,

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: OPENING OF CERIALIA NOVA ROMA CELEBRATION
From:	"gaiuscoriolanus" <jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:13:21 -0000

Salvete

Finally, I'm very impatient and curious about my gladiator's first
combat.

Let my express my admire and thanks to great games and celebrations
that aediles have arranged.


Ave atque Vale

Gaius Marcius Coriolanus
Propraetor Pannoniae
Paterfamilias Gentis Marciae













--- In novaroma@y..., Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@b...> wrote:
>
> Salvete cives et amici,
>
> Fellow citizens of Nova Roma, it is my pleasure to bring to you for
the next
> eight days this years Cerialia festival. Being the one charged to
run this
> event has been a very awarding experience. I hope those of you that
> participate in this event find it just as awarding and spiritually
> fulfilling as I have found it to be while organising it.
>
> While planing this festival I concentrated on including the religio
and its
> leaders into the process of planning. Besides including the religio
in this
> festival I have also strived to make the festival as original as
possible.
> Me and my scriba went through many different possibilities for
activities
> before selecting the ones that are included in this years ludi
Cerialia. I
> hope that you find the activities included in these games to be
original and
> entertaining no matter what skills you may process. Most of all I
hope that
> you find this celebration a chance to become more acquainted with
the
> religio and your fellow citizens. With keeping all of this in mind,
as your
> Junior Curule Aedile I declare the MMDCCLV Ludi Cerialia officially
open!
> Enjoy, and may Ceres look upon us all favourably!
>
> For the duration of the Cerialia please visit the Cerialia web site
for
> detailed more information.
>
> http://www25.brinkster.com/canorien/cerialia/
>
>
> THE HISTORY OF THE CERIALIA
>
> This was a celebration that took place both in the city of Rome and
in the
> surrounding countryside. The whole celebration lasted 8 days
starting on the
> 12th of April. Testimonies mention that the festival was a
particular
> plebeian festival, but not exclusively plebeian. Although,
patrician and
> noble plebeian gentes usually took part by leading a procession to
the
> temple of Ceres on the last day of the celebration. The observance
of the
> religious rituals of the Cerialia included the offering of wheat,
grasses,
> or salt to Ceres. It was also a custom to light torches during the
Cerialia
> as a symbol of when Ceres went into the underworld in search of
Proserpina
> and lit two pine trees on fire to provide light during her search.
All of
> these offerings are done in order to receive the blessing of Ceres
before
> the start of the new season while the fields were still being
prepared for
> the sowing of seeds.
>
> During the festival it was popular to wear white clothing and
wrathes of
> ears on ones head as a way of honouring Ceres. Women were also
obliged not
> to have any sexual intercourse within 9 days before the last day of
the
> festival, this means the period of ritual chastity for women taking
part in
> this ceremony begins April 10th, 2 days before the introduction of
the
> Cerialia.
>
> The last day of the Cerialia was when the actual games took place.
Ovid
> tells of us that these games always took place in the Circus
Maxiumus.
> During these games the most important event was the letting lose of
foxes
> that had lit torches tied to their tails. The burning of the foxes
may have
> been done in order to punish the various races of vermin who
destroy the
> crops. Although, according to some the interpretation of the fox
ritual is
> highly dubious. Some scholars think Ovid actually invented
this "old rite",
> others think it is a rite to "scare away the heat of the sun".
Ovid's
> testimony can also be read that foxes were dragging burning torches
through
> the circus without being killed. This last interpretation seems the
most
> reasonable.
>
> TODAYS EVENTS
>
> The following events will take place later today:
>
> - Chat room 4:00 PM EST and 9:00 PM EST.
> - Opening of contest "Where in Rome?"
> - Sacrifice ritual to Ceres
> - First gladiator combat between Mannus (Gaius Minucius Hadrianus)
and
> Maturus (Amulius Claudius Petrus)
>
> Valete,
>
> --
> Amulius Claudius Petrus
> Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
> Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
> Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
>
> Canada Orientalis Website:
> www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
>
> Gens Claudia Website:
> www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
> --

Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): pridie Idus Aprilias (April 12)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <antonio.grilo@inov.pt>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:25:36 +0100

PONTIFEX ANTONIVS GRYLLVS GRAECVS OMNIBVS QVIRITIBVS

This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action can take
place.

This is the first day of the Cerialia or Ludi Cereris, the festival in
honour of Ceres. Ceres is the Goddess of grain that feeds the people and, by
extension, of the fruits of the Earth (Tellus). She is sometimes equated
with or strongly related to Tellus. It is to Ceres that one offers the first
ears of grain and sacrifices to her before the harvest (see Cato's sacrifice
to Ceres at
http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/cato_ceres.html).
Ceres is a very ancient roman goddess and she has a dedicated Flamen, the
Flamen Cerialis. Nevertheless, in 496 BC, a famine stroke Rome and a
consultation of the Sibylline Oracles ordered by the Senate, revealed that
the solution was to introduce the three main deities of the Greek Eleusinian
Mysteries (Demeter, Iacchus and Kore) under the names (i.e. equated to)
Ceres, Liber and Libera (already the names of traditional Roman Gods). In
493 BC, the a Temple to this Aventine Triad was dedicated on the Aventine
Hill. A new priesthood is created, which is the 'sacerdos publica cereris'.
The 'sacerdos publica cereris' was usually of Greek origin (most probably
from Magna Graecia) at least in the beginning, and she was responsible for
the Greek part of the cult (i.e. the observances related to the Eleusinian
Mysteries). Cicero says that this included mystery initiations performed at
night in the Greek manner ('Graeco more'), where only women were allowed
[Cicero, De Legibus, II.21-37]. The traditional Flamen Cerialis remained
responsible for the roman cult of Ceres.
The Aediles Plebis cared for the temple and they had their official
residence in it. They were responsible for the games at the Cerealia. The
Aventine Triad was thus associated with the Plebs.
The Cerialia celebrate the growth of grain and agricultural products in
general. Initially celebrated on April 19, the festival was enlarged to span
from April 12 to April 19, though the latter continued to be the culmination
of the Cerialia, the birthday of the temple of Ceres on the Aventine. At
least on this day, games were held in the Circus Maximus with the audience
wearing white robes. The Flamen Cerialis played certainly a major role
officiating the public sacrifices related to the birthday of the temple.
Ovidius says that appropriate sacrifice can be performed before the hearth
burning spelt, salts (which crepitate in the fire), and incense, the
sacrifice of the ox being banned [Ovidius, Fasti, 407ff.] and it is the sow
which is sacrificed to Ceres. He further says that in the absence of
incense, resin torches can be lighted instead. Virgilius says milk, honey
and wine, while sacrificial victims (the sow) should be carried three times
around the young crops [Virgilius, Georgicae, I.344 seq.].

Di vos bene ament

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [ReligioRomana] Re: Just in Time for Cerialia!! An Ode to Ceres!
From:	"Valerie Hartzer" <valsylph@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:26:19 -0400

Salvete Pontifex Greacus et omnes:

Frankly, I'm speechless. I am honored that my poem is so greatly appreciated. I thank Ceres, Apollo and the Muses for the inspiration to be able to share my love of gardening and the Gods and Goddesses with my fellow Romans.

In Pace Deorum
Bene vale,
Lucia Valeria Secunda Ianuaria
Materfamilias Gens Valeria Secunda
"Try to enjoy the great festival of life with other men"
Epictetus




Salvete Lucia Valeria et al

Beautiful Ode! I would even call it an hymn to Ceres, something worth or
being used to honour Ceres at one's home before the Lararium during the
Cerialia! May Ceres always grant the plentiness of the fruits of the earth
to the roman people of the quirites!
I am sending this to the Latinitas list as well, so than some volunteer
Latin expert may translate it to Latin (unfortunately my Latin is not good
enough to keep the beauty and style of a poem =().

Antonius Gryllus Graecus Pontifex





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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] OPENING OF CERIALIA NOVA ROMA CELEBRATION
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:45:51 EDT

GAIVS LANIVS FALCO A. CLAVDIVS PETRVS SPD

Congratulations on your most wonderful and informative website for Ludi
Cerialia. I have just been perusing it and your creation is quite
astounding. You and your staff are to be highly commended for such an
attractive site for Ceres. She will forever grace your table with the
Earth's bounty!!

Good luck with the festival!!

Vale,

Gaius Lanius Falco
Scriba Propraetoris Nova Britannia
Paterfamilias Gens Lania


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Subject:	[novaroma] Application as a translator for German language
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:07:33 +0200

Salvete omnes,

This is now the third time I send this email to the official NR mainlist
and have not received any answer. During the last few days, a very wise
citzen has told us, to send and resend messages which are not answered many
times, before thinking and believing the worst. That is exactly what I intend
to do. Please forgive me, if I'm being a pest, but making this translator
position official is very important to me. I am translating messages into
German, since I joined NR and am not very happy in doing so without official
permission or position.

Curate ut valeatis, Tiberius Annaeus Otho


Salvete omnes, salve Luci Corneli Sulla,

>Why not ... apply to be a translator?

>Respectfully,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>Consul


As you might have heard once or twice allready, I regularly translated messages
from English into German during the time I am with NR. Therefore I would
like to aplly formaly for the position of translator for the German language.
Some time ago, somebody even told me, that I was allready set for that position,
but since I have never heard anything about it again, I am now wondering,
if I can call myself interpres linguae Germanicae or not.

Yours respectfully, Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Lictor curiatus
paterfamilias Gentis Annaearum
praefectus scribarum Germaniae Superioris
civis Novae Romae

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:21:31 -0400

Salve, Gnaeus Salix Astur:

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 05:55:51PM +0100, Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:

> I am trying to be constructive, though. I have suggested consul Sulla
> to add something else to make this census worth the effort. I suggested
> an identity check as an additional feature for this census; that is,
> that each citizen should send (just for the first census) some ID proof
> (passport, driving permit, etc). Name and date of birth would be
> enough, and this could be done either through fax, scanner or snail
> mail.

I actually think that this is a _very_ poor idea, since it directly
contravenes the very basics of law-making: passing laws that are not
enforcible only makes the legislators look foolish.

How do you propose to stop people from sending fake IDs, or from borrowing
someone else's ID? How do you plan to recognize what a valid ID looks like
for a given country, region, motor vehicle department, etc.? I'm not much
of a graphic artist, but I think that I could fake up a grand-looking
document from, say, the island nation of Vaanu-Inau in about 15 minutes...
proving that it does not exist, especially if it's called something
different by non-natives, may prove to be a _little_ difficult.

As well, an idea worthy of consideration: many new nations had a policy of
amnesty for anyone who would join them, all previous wrong-doing forgiven
and forgotten. This had two strongly positive results: one, it swelled the
ranks of the new nation with people who were anxious to *not* be "caught
wrong" again, since they had already experienced what it's like to be on
the wrong side of the law (and perhaps becoming exemplary, effective
citizens due to that previous experience), and two, removing "undesirables"
from their original society - which may well have been a poor fit for those
people in the first place, leading to them falling outside the norm.

This is not a proposal or even a suggestion; just a fact to take into
consideration as we all mull what would be useful to NR as a new nation. As
you say, we're all entitled to our opinions...


Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Quod bonum, felix faustumque sit!
-- Quoted by Cicero in "De Divitatione"

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:58:29 +0200

Salvete Quirites,

As a citizen of Nova Roma, I have followed the discussion of this lex and
feel that I need to express my very personal opinion on some of the things
mentioned in the email I am answering.


>From: Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>
>Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:55:51 +0100 (BST)
>
>I know that some benefits would derive from such a measure; namely, we
>would have a better knowledge of how many people actually belong to
>Nova Roma. However, this census proposal, as it is, does not provide
>many benefits beyond expulsing unresponsive citizens. It seems to me a
>huge waste of time and effort (and possibly money, if the Senate
>approves for a budget to pay for a phone call and a snail mail letter
>to *every* unresponsive citizen) for something that has practically
>been attained through the Lex Vedia de Capiti Censi.

Please excuse my naivity, but I strongly believe that the lex Vedia de Assidui
et Capiti Censi does not make any other difference except that, which citizens
are ready to pay a tax for NR and which are not. I personally know of at
least a dozen citizens who have not paid their taxes but are very active
in NR. Being an active citizen can be a very different thing from paying
taxes, just as it can also mean, that you never posted anything on the mainlist.
In the provincia Germania Superior for instance, there are some citizens
who are very active on a provincial level, but have never posted on the
mainlist. Ergo, the Lex Vedia de Assidui et Capiti Censi is a perfect lex
to create a difference between people who financially help NR and those
who don't, but it does not tell us if a citizen is active!

>I am trying to be constructive, though. I have suggested consul Sulla
>to add something else to make this census worth the effort. I suggested
>an identity check as an additional feature for this census; that is,
>that each citizen should send (just for the first census) some ID proof
>(passport, driving permit, etc). Name and date of birth would be
>enough, and this could be done either through fax, scanner or snail
>mail.

According to the legislation of the macronation I live in and am a citizen
of, sending copies of ID's, passports and other legal documents into other
countries is forbidden. As you can see, as constructive as your idea may
be, there are going to be huge difficulties in actually getting what you
ask for.

>This would add some value to the huge effort that a census represents;
>beyond knowing who actually replies to an approach from the censores,
>we would verify (just needed to be done once for each citizen) some
>personal information that is very important for us to actually
>implement *our* legislation in a coherent manner. Under our current
>circumstances, a minor (or even worse; a convicted criminal, according
>to our laws, or we could even have a "duplicated" citizen) can apply
>for citizenship under a false name and/or age. This circumstance leaves
>many of our current legislation (like the Cursus Honorum laws) without
>meaning, since they can not be adequately enforced.

I understand your idea, but as long as Nova Roma is not a sovereign macronation
with its own passport and citizen ID, this problem will be very difficult
to solve.

>Consul Sulla, however, thinks that this proposal would add too much
>bureaucracy to his census project. That is, certainly, his opinion; and
>he is entitled to such an opinion.
>
>I, however, have a different opinion. I hope I have been able to
>express it without offending anyone.

I, too, have voiced my personal opinion and hope that I have not been too
harsh with my criticism.

pacem desidero et curate ut valeatis, Tiberius Annaeus Otho

------------------------------------------------
| civis Novae Romae |
| paterfamilias gentis Annaearum |
| scriba legati Germaniae Superioris |
| lictor curiatus |
| |
| civis Rauracus |
| tribunus militum legionis XI CPF, coh. X cand. |
------------------------------------------------

Subject:	[novaroma] Information on tunic colors needed!!!!!
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:14:48 +0200

Salvete omnes,

I am a student of roman history and Latin and have read some interesting
information in an email on this list. Somebody has written, that tunic colors
in the military were always white, from the late Republic to the imperial
times. Could anybody with information on this please contact me either by
answering to this mail, or to the following two adresses:

thomas.h@bluemail.ch

thomas.hanzi@bluewin.ch

I am trying to get as much scientific information as possible on this because
if this is really true, it will revolutionize the whole reenactment scene
and the whole picture we have of the roman army.

This might well become a topic for my final examination paper at the university.

Thank you very much for helping me, Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Application as a translator for German language
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:54:53 -0700

Ave Tiberius Annaeus,

I have your request. Thank you very much, it is very appreciated.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul

tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> This is now the third time I send this email to the official NR mainlist
> and have not received any answer. During the last few days, a very wise
> citzen has told us, to send and resend messages which are not answered many
> times, before thinking and believing the worst. That is exactly what I intend
> to do. Please forgive me, if I'm being a pest, but making this translator
> position official is very important to me. I am translating messages into
> German, since I joined NR and am not very happy in doing so without official
> permission or position.
>
> Curate ut valeatis, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
>
> Salvete omnes, salve Luci Corneli Sulla,
>
> >Why not ... apply to be a translator?
>
> >Respectfully,
> >
> >Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >Consul
>
> As you might have heard once or twice allready, I regularly translated messages
> from English into German during the time I am with NR. Therefore I would
> like to aplly formaly for the position of translator for the German language.
> Some time ago, somebody even told me, that I was allready set for that position,
> but since I have never heard anything about it again, I am now wondering,
> if I can call myself interpres linguae Germanicae or not.
>
> Yours respectfully, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
>
> Lictor curiatus
> paterfamilias Gentis Annaearum
> praefectus scribarum Germaniae Superioris
> civis Novae Romae
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:21:05 +0100 (BST)

Salvete,

>Because it would be the censors that removed those
>citizens to begin with. Presumably those appealing
>would want someone reviewing their case other than
>the people who had just removed them from the Album
>Civium.

Mmm - this I understand, but I was commenting under
the premise that the censors are not actually making a
decision to remove someone from the Album Civium.
Under the terms of the proposed lex they would
actually have no choice in the matter.

What I'm saying is that if an appeal was made to the
censors within a specifed time frame (say 30-60 days),
then reinstatement as a citizen could be automatic.
Consequently there would be no case to review as no
formal application of appeal would be necessary. Thus
an application to the censors would not present a
problem.

>It is potentially a lot of work but there is no other
>logical court of appeals above the censors.

It is potentially a lot of work which could easily be
avoided :-)

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Latin translations
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Craig=20Stevenson?= <gaiussentius@yahoo.com.au>
Date:	Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:55:49 +1000 (EST)

Salvete omnes,

I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I need
Latin translations for the following.

* In the footsteps of the Romans
* Roman pride
* Roman virtues

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Valete bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latin translations
From:	labienus@texas.net
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:09:14 US/Central

Salve Gai Senti

Here my educated guesses, which don't come with any guarantee.

> * In the footsteps of the Romans

In vestigiis Romanorum <- a literal translation, which may not properly
translate the idiomatic expression.

> * Roman pride

Superbia Romana

> * Roman virtues

Virtus Romana <- This is likely not what you're after. Virtus means virtue,
but in the abstract. So, my version says "Roman virtue", which isn't the same
thing as a referrence to, say, the list of Roman virtues displayed on the NR
main site.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] OPENING OF CERIALIA NOVA ROMA CELEBRATION
From:	"Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@hotmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:56:18 -0700

Ave!
Thanks for putting up that great and informative website. Coming on the
heals of Megalesia, I'm seeing that our Aediles are seriously up to the task
of executing their duties! I've been a cive for two and a half months, but
now I'm very excited to be involved. Clearly a lot of work has been put
into these festivals, cultural contests and games. This is the payoff!
Thanks for all the effort! and thanks to participating cives!
Vale!

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Subject:	[novaroma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Amphitheaters=20?=
From:	=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus=20Iulius=20?= <m_iulius@virgilio.it>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:44:34 +0000

MARCVS IVLIVS PERVSIANVS OMNIBVS SPD

Avete,

as I wrote before I'm trying to make a complete list of all the rests of
amphitheaters in the Roman world. Here the list of 91 with the reference
to the ancient Roman province where they were.

Acholla Africa
Alba Fucente Italia
Albenga Italia
Ancona Italia
Aosta Italia
Aquileia Italia
Arezzo Italia
Arles Narborensis
Assisi Italia
Avella Italia
Avenches Raetia
Benavagienna Italia
Bordeaux Aquitania
Budapest Pannonia
Caerleon Britannia
Cagliari Sardinia et Corsica
Canosa Italia
Carsulae Italia
Cassino Italia
Catania Italia
Chester Britannia
Cimiez Narborensis
Cirenchester Britannia
Cirene Africa
Civita Castellana Italia
Corinto Graecia
Cuma Italia
Cyzicus Asia
El Djem #1 Africa
El Djem #2 Africa
Ercolano Italia
Fordogianus Sardinia et Corsica
Frascati Italia
Frejus Narborensis
Grumento Italia
Imola Italia
Italica Baetica
Ivrea Italia
Lecce Italia
Leptis Magna Africa
Limoges Aquitania
Lucca Italia
Lucera Italia
Luni Italia
Lyon Lugdunensis
Merida Baetica
Milano Italia
Monteleone Sabino Italia
Nimes Narborensis
Paestum Italia
Periguex Aquitania
Petronell #1 Pannonia
Petronell #2 Pannonia
Pola Dalmatia
Pollenzo Italia
Pompei Italia
Potiers Aquitania
Pozzuoli(Maggiore) Italia
Pozzuoli(Minore) Italia
Richborough Britannia
Rimini Italia
Roma (Colosseo) Italia
Roma (Castrense) Italia
Roselle Italia
S.Maria Capua Vetere Italia
Sabratha Africa
Saintes Aquitania
Salona Dalmatia
Serravalle Scrivia Italia
Siracusa Sicilia
Spello Italia
Spoleto Italia
Suasa Italia
Susa Italia
Sutri Italia
Tarraco Tarraconensis
Teano Italia
Telese Italia
Teramo Italia
Termini Imerese Sicilia
Terni Italia
Terracina Italia
Tipasa Africa
Tivoli Italia
Todi Italia
Torino Italia
Trier Belgica
Velleia Italia
Venosa Italia
Verona Italia
Vindisch Noricum

Once again I ask if anyone knows of missing amphitheaters.
Thank you

Vale

Marcus Iulius Perusianus
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latin translations
From:	"J. Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@pi.be>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:45:07 +0200

Salvete Gai Senti et Fortunate;

> > * Roman virtues
>
> Virtus Romana <- This is likely not what you're after. Virtus means
virtue,
> but in the abstract. So, my version says "Roman virtue", which isn't the
same
> thing as a referrence to, say, the list of Roman virtues displayed on the
NR
> main site.
>

I think the plural would be Virtutes Romanae, although I'm not sure about
the gender of the word "Virtus".

Valete,
Solaris

Subject:	[novaroma] New group- needs help of fellow historians!
From:	"jordanperryuk" <jordanperryuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:48:23 -0000

Hi,
My name is Jordan and I've created a new History group on Yahoo!,
dedicated to the ancient times. Its only just started, and
it needs help, so what better to turn to fellow historians? Please
feel free to post messages on your opinions or facts. At the moment
we are studying Egypt and the early Byzantine world

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thn_ac

Best regards
Jordan

Subject:	[novaroma] test
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:03:58 -0400

test

Subject:	[novaroma] CERIALIA PUBLIC SACRIFICE RITUAL
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:48:14 -0400

Salvete cives et amici,

Seeing that today is the first day of the Cerialia, I invite all those
citizens that follow the religio to join me in honouring Ceres. The ritual
enclosed in this message can be done any time between today and April 19th.
I will be conducting this sacrifice in my own home tonight, or early
tomorrow morning. This sacrifice ritual has been approved by the honourable
Pontifex Maximus Marcus Cassius Julianus, and is therefore official.

I invite all citizens to share their results of how this ritual was
performed. I will definitely share my own experience with you all.


---START OF CERIALIA RITUAL ENGLISH---

CERIALIA OFFERING TO CERES

You will need the following:

- Small bowl of clean water with cloth
- Two candles
- Incense
- Grain or salt
- Red wine
- You can also use an image of Ceres. Although, this is not a necessity. If
you wish you can easily obtain an image from the URL below and print it off
to use during the ritual.

(http://www25.brinkster.com/canorien/cerialia/ceres1.jpg)

----Start of Cerialia ritual----

(Cover head and begin ritual)

"Father Ianus, creator and God of all beginnings, accept this offering of
incense and look favourably down upon my family during this time of
celebration."

(Place incense on the coals)

"Iuppiter, lord of the sky and all deities, accept this offering of incense
and look favourably down upon my family during this time of celebration."

(Place incense on the coals)

"Mother Iuno, wife of Iuppiter, accept this offering of incense and look
favourably down upon my family during this time of celebration."

(Place incense on the coals)

"Father Ianus, in addition to my virtuous offering of incense, be honoured
by this offering of wine in libation."

(Pour wine into small dish or patera)

"Iuppiter, in addition to my virtuous offering of incense, be honoured by
this offering of wine in libation."

(Pour wine into small dish or patera)

"Mother Iuno, in addition to my virtuous offering of incense, be honoured by
this offering of wine in libation."

(Pour wine into small dish or patera)

(Wash hands with water in small bowl and dry)

"Ceres, I come before you today during your sacred festival to offer a
sacrifice of grain/salt. Accept this offering of grain/salt and bless my
family and community with your bounty. May you be pleased by the Cerealia
festival being held in your honour and bless Nova Roma as a whole.

(At this time you may enter your own personal prayers)

(After all prayers are complete offer the grain/salt to Ceres)

Ceres, during this time I also remember your journey into the underworld and
how you lit two trees to guide you. I am glad for your return to us and
welcome you once again. As a symbol of your journey and my thanks for your
return I light two candles. May you be honoured by this tradition.

(Light two candles)

(At this time leave the offering to Ceres a few minutes. Then bury the
offering outside your home.)

----END OF CERIALIA RITUAL ENGLISH----



----START OF CERIALIA RITUAL LATIN----

(Cover head and begin ritual)

"Iane pater auctor deusque omnium principiorum, accipe turum sacrum
allatum atque aspice familiam meam favens sacra facientem."

(Place incense on the coals)

"Iuppiter caelorum dominus omniumque deorum dearumque pater, accipe turum
sacra allatum atque aspice familiam meam favens sacra facientem."

(Place incense on the coals)

"Iuno mater uxor Iovis, accipe turum sacra allatum atque aspice familiam
meam favens sacra facientem."

(Place incense on the coals)

"Iane pater, turis sacro sancte allato venereris me vinum libante."

(Pour wine into small dish or patera)

"Iuppiter, turis sacro sancte allato venereris me vinum libante."

(Pour wine into small dish or patera)

"Iuno mater, turis sacro sancte allato venereris me vinum libante."

(Pour wine into small dish or patera)

(Wash hands with water in small bowl and dry)

"Ceres, venio ad te, dum feriis tibi sanctis aguntur, ad afferendum
grana/sal(em). Accipe grana/sal(em) allata/tum et fave familiam
civitatemque bonis tuis. Gaude Cerialiis feriis pro te veneranda actis
et fave Novam Romam omnem."

(At this time you may enter your own personal prayers)

(After all prayers are complete offer the grain/salt to Ceres)

"Ceres, memor sum te ad inferos pervenientis duos arbores incendisti ad
viam illuminandam. Gaudeo te redeunte ad nos iterum. Pro itinere tuo
gratitudineque mea accendo has candelas duas, quibus coleris."

(Light two candles)

(At this time leave the offering to Ceres a few minutes. Then bury the
offering outside your home.)

----END OF CERIALIA RITUAL LATIN----



May Ceres bless Nova Roma and all of its citizens!

Valete,

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia

--------------------------------------------------------------
The Cerialia celebration has started!
Join in and celebrate the games. For more information visit:
http://www25.brinkster.com/canorien/cerialia/
--------------------------------------------------------------

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latin translations
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@texas.net>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:16:36 -0500

Salve Solaris

> I think the plural would be Virtutes Romanae, although I'm not sure about
> the gender of the word "Virtus".

It's feminine, which is odd considering the "manly" connotations of the
word.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
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Ta i quetes Quenyanen séya vanima

Subject:	[novaroma] Cerialia Gladiator Combat I: Mannus vs Maturus
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:08:22 -0400

Salvete cives et amici,

Welcome fellow Nova Romans, to the Cerialia gladiator combats! As your
Junior Curule Aedile it is my pleasure to present to you our first fight!
It¹s a beautiful spring day in the arena and the conditions are perfect. May
you all find the spectacle entertaining! Without further ado, I present to
you our two competitors for the first match!

Our first competitor is a strapping German from the tribe of the Cimbrians.
He is tall and powerfully muscled, with dark blonde hair worn in a thick
braid, a long trailing moustach, and piercing blue eyes. He came to Rome as
a prisoner of war, and due to his fierce aspect found himself in the
coliseum. His only goal is to amass enough fame, wealth and glory to buy his
freedom and return home. This this is the mighty Mannus of the Cimbrians
owned by honourable citizen Gaius Minucius Hadrianus!

Mannus¹ opponent has red hair and is very tall. His homeland is in the
barbaric northern frontiers! He was taken to Rome at a very early age and
has trained since early childhood to become a gladiator. This is the vicious
Maturus, owned by myself Amulius Claudius Petrus!

The two competitors are now saluting the magistrates of Nova Roma. The
officials acknowledge the gladiators and they both take their battle stance
awaiting me to drop my hand to single the start of the match. I drop my hand
and the battle begins!

Mannus instantly goes on the defensive.

Maturus approaches him slowly and then unexpectedly lashes out at his
opponent, although Mannus is able to deflect the sword with his shield.

Mannus responds by careful approaching his opponent, looking slightly uneasy
and slashes with his sword. Maturus avoids this attack easily.

Suddenly Maturus moves quickly, slashing down at his opponent. Mannus raises
his sword and deflects the attack again.

Mannus looks like he wants to get more room between him and his opponent, he
quickly dodges around Maturus and puts a few more feet between them.

Maturus does not want to let his opponent get away from him. He charges at
Mannus yelling a barbaric war cry, although Mannus stops his opponent from
overwhelming him and shoves him away with his shield.

Mannus seems to be acting a little timid at the moment, he is slowly
approaching his opponent. He stabs at his legs. Maturus is able is move
back and away from the sword just in time.

Maturus looks like he is getting tired. He takes a defensive stance waiting
for his opponent to attack.

Mannus approaches his opponent with more confidence and notices Maturus¹
unprotected legs. He takes advantage of this and stabs out creating a deep
stab wound in his opponent¹s upper leg! It looks like a fairly bad wound,
and it will probably slow him down quite a bit.

Maturus looks like he is loosing confidence, he quickly dodges his opponent
and puts several feet between them both.

Mannus looks like he wants his opponent to attack him. He takes a defensive
stance and waits.

Maturus limps over to his opponent and quickly stabs out at his chest.
Mannus easily predicted the move and deflects it.

Mannus responds by slashing back at his opponent. He is avoids it just at
the last moment.

Maturus is getting frustrated. He pounces at his opponent, stabbing down at
his legs in rage. Mannus is unable to avoid it and receives a nasty wound on
his left upper leg!

Mannus quickly dodges backwards and away from his opponent in an attempt to
avoid further savage enraged attacks.

Maturus seems to be getting very tired. He takes a defensive stance and
regains his breath.

Mannus carefully approaches his opponent with some difficulty because of his
leg. He then delivers a weak attack that is easily blocked.

Maturus retreats as quickly as he can dodging around behind Mannus.

Mannus turns to face his opponent and careful looks for a weakness in his
defences. He spots one in his left shoulder and lashes out with his sword,
although Maturus is able to move his shield to block it just in time.

Maturus responds by stabbing out at his opponent very quickly, although
Mannus is able to dive out of the way.

Mannus quickly returns to his feet, nevertheless his leg wound is continuing
to give him trouble. He then takes a defensive stance.

Maturus slashes downward on his opponent with every last ounce of strength
left in him. Yet this does not prove enough and Mannus is able to raise his
shield to block the blow.

Mannus instantly spots the undefended chest of his opponent and stabs
outward. The sword makes contact with flesh delivering a devastating blow to
Maturus! He stumbles around, drops his shield, but remains standing!

Maturus, barely standing, attempts to make a rush at his opponent, but his
attack is pushed back by the shield of Mannus. Maturus stumbles around some
more, but remains standing.

Mannus then closes in by quickly dodging around behind his opponent and
stabbing out at his unprotected side. The sword hits again, this time ending
the match!

Mannus and his owner, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus, are victorious!
Congratulations! They are the first champions of the Cerialia! This victory
will be announced on the ludi section of NovaRoma.org by the next update.

Valete,

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia

--------------------------------------------------------------
The Cerialia celebration has started!
Join in and celebrate the games. For more information visit:
http://www25.brinkster.com/canorien/cerialia/
--------------------------------------------------------------

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:10:52 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Annaee Otho.

--- tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch wrote:

<<snipped>>

> Please excuse my naivity, but I strongly believe that the lex Vedia
> de Assidui et Capiti Censi does not make any other difference except
> that, which citizens are ready to pay a tax for NR and which are not.
> I personally know of at least a dozen citizens who have not paid
> their taxes but are very active in NR. Being an active citizen can be
> a very different thing from paying taxes, just as it can also mean,
> that you never posted anything on the mainlist.
> In the provincia Germania Superior for instance, there are some
> citizens who are very active on a provincial level, but have never
> posted on the mainlist. Ergo, the Lex Vedia de Assidui et Capiti
> Censi is a perfect lex to create a difference between people who
> financially help NR and those who don't, but it does not tell us if a
> citizen is active!

You are certainly right. I can do nothing but offer my apologies.

> According to the legislation of the macronation I live in and am a
> citizen of, sending copies of ID's, passports and other legal
> documents into other countries is forbidden. As you can see, as
> constructive as your idea may be, there are going to be huge
> difficulties in actually getting what you ask for.

Perhaps you have already read my previous response to this thread. If
you have, you will know that I think that there are alternative methods
to identify our citizens besides sending ID's through the net, like
public databases or face-to-face meetings.

> I understand your idea, but as long as Nova Roma is not a sovereign
> macronation with its own passport and citizen ID, this problem will
> be very difficult to solve.

Not necessarily. With current technology, IDs and passports are the
*easiest* area of sovereignity to implement :-).

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:59:02 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Minuci Scaevola.

--- Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Salve, Gnaeus Salix Astur:
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 05:55:51PM +0100, Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:
>
> > I am trying to be constructive, though. I have suggested consul
> > Sulla to add something else to make this census worth the effort. I
> > suggested an identity check as an additional feature for this
> > census; that is, that each citizen should send (just for the first
> > census) some ID proof (passport, driving permit, etc). Name and
> > date of birth would be enough, and this could be done either
> > through fax, scanner or snail mail.
>
> I actually think that this is a _very_ poor idea, since it directly
> contravenes the very basics of law-making: passing laws that are not
> enforcible only makes the legislators look foolish.

But the Comitia of Nova Roma has been passing laws that are not
enforcible from day one. Think about the law on the Cursus Honorum;
that law requires that the government of Nova Roma know the dates of
birth of its citizens. Otherwise, it is no enforcible.

In fact, it is to avoid this kind of thing that I proposed this reform.

> How do you propose to stop people from sending fake IDs, or from
> borrowing someone else's ID? How do you plan to recognize what a
> valid ID looks like for a given country, region, motor vehicle
> department, etc.? I'm not much of a graphic artist, but I think that
> I could fake up a grand-looking document from, say, the island nation
> of Vaanu-Inau in about 15 minutes...
> proving that it does not exist, especially if it's called something
> different by non-natives, may prove to be a _little_ difficult.

Well, perhaps you are right. In fact, my (private) proposal to consul
Sulla included additional possibilities, like checking identity through
public databases (like the yellow pages, or guvernamental census).

If such databases were not accessible in a certain area, perhaps
provincial authorities (or their delegates) could check identity in
face-to-face meetings.

As long as the identity of our citizens is checked, the means are
unimportant.

> As well, an idea worthy of consideration: many new nations had a
> policy of amnesty for anyone who would join them, all previous
wrong-> doing forgiven and forgotten. This had two strongly positive
results: > one, it swelled the ranks of the new nation with people who
were
> anxious to *not* be "caught wrong" again, since they had already
> experienced what it's like to be on the wrong side of the law (and
> perhaps becoming exemplary, effective citizens due to that previous
> experience), and two, removing "undesirables" from their original
> society - which may well have been a poor fit for those people in the
> first place, leading to them falling outside the norm.

I am not sure if this part of your message is related in any way to my
original post. Perhaps I made a mistake by using the word "convicted"
in my original post. You will have to pardon me, especially since I am
not a native English speaker.

I did not mean criminals convicted by other nations; I meant criminals
convicted by Nova Roma. Those expulsed by Novoroman law.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Cerialia Gladiator Combat I: Mannus vs Maturus
From:	"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:28:56 -0400

Salvete Omnes!!

All hail the conquering Mannus! Ave Mannus, first champion of the
Cerialia!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus




Mannus and his owner, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus, are victorious!
Congratulations! They are the first champions of the Cerialia! This
victory
will be announced on the ludi section of NovaRoma.org by the next
update.

Valete,

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia

--------------------------------------------------------------
The Cerialia celebration has started!
Join in and celebrate the games. For more information visit:
http://www25.brinkster.com/canorien/cerialia/
--------------------------------------------------------------

Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/

Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--

Subject:	[novaroma] Comitia Plebis Tributa
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:29:28 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites.

The current elections in the Comitia Plebis Tributa are having a very
low turnout.

I know that we all are a little tired of these constant runoff
elections, but if we do not vote, we just keep the problem alive. Those
of you that have not voted yet please vote now at:
http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/

It will take you a few seconds, and you will be doing Nova Roma a great
service.

Thank you for your time.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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