| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Latin translations |
| From: |
"n_cassius_niger" <menippus@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:37:59 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes;
Virtus is a feminine noun, believe it or not. You are correct,
Solaris, Virtutes is the nom/acc plural.
As for "in the footsteps of the Romans," I would translate it as
Moribus Romanis or literaly "by Roman traditions/customs". I don't
know if it's Classically idiomatic, however.
For pride...I would use words like gloria, pietas, or extollentia.
Si vales, valeo
N. Cassius Niger
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: CERIALIA PUBLIC SACRIFICE RITUAL |
| From: |
"g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:00:46 -0000 |
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Salve Amuli Claudi
Thank you for posting the details of this ritual. I do not practice
the Religio (at least not yet), but this information is not only very
intersting; the ceremony is beautiful and inspiring!
Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Cerialia Scheduled Chat with Live Gladiator Combat |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:57:22 -0400 |
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Salvete cives et amici,
Tomorrow starting at 9:00 PM EST (3:00 AM in Rome) there will be a scheduled
chat session in the Nova Roma chat room. During this event there will be a
live gladiator match between Fulmen and Gladius Peregrinus. If any citizens
can make it to this event it would be wonderful. This celebration is about
comming together as a community to celebrate Roman culture. I believe
attending this chat session will go far in achieving these goals.
The URL for the chat room is:
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/chat/chat
Valete,
--
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Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
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Join in and celebrate the games. For more information visit:
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Proposed Census Law (title needed) |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:18:40 -0000 |
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Salve,
--- In novaroma@y..., Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites.
>
> huge waste of time and effort (and possibly money, if the Senate
> approves for a budget to pay for a phone call and a snail mail
letter
> to *every* unresponsive citizen) for something that has practically
> been attained through the Lex Vedia de Capiti Censi.
>
The Lex Vedia de Capiti Censi only defines citizens as either tax
payers or non-taxpayers, places non-taxpayers as class V in an urban
tribe, and limits their role in government. It doesn't remove them
from the roles as a citizen. Just as in my macro-nation, the US, if
I don't pay my taxes I am subject to penalties (and the penalties in
Nova Roma are far less draconian) but I am not stripped of my US
citizenship.
> I am trying to be constructive, though. I have suggested consul
Sulla
> to add something else to make this census worth the effort. I
suggested
> an identity check as an additional feature for this census; that is,
> that each citizen should send (just for the first census) some ID
proof
> (passport, driving permit, etc). Name and date of birth would be
> enough, and this could be done either through fax, scanner or snail
> mail.
I would NEVER fax/scan/mail a photocopy of my driver's license or
passport to anyone under any conditions. With the information on
those documents anyone (well ok, any male around the same age) could
then pretend to be me and do who knows what. I am not saying that
our current Censors nor future Censors would do such a thing, but if
the information somehow got in the wrong hands....
It is illegal in many countries to fax a passport outside of the
issuing country's borders. That aside, an id check for the first
census would be a waste of time. When the next census comes around
there will be new citizens on the rolls that were not id checked the
first time around, and if there is no id check for them it kinda
makes the whole spurious citizens, criminals, ect thing a moot
point.
Not even the US National Census demanded that I prove I was who I
said I was when I filled out the form two years ago. The purpose of
any census is to get a headcount of who's a citizen and who is not.
Since Nova Roma does not have defined national borders in a
macronational sense there is no need to worry about resident alien
status, ect. What Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix presents is a common
sense law, "Are you in or are you out?" And has recourse for those
who get counted out to get back in. I would suggest instead of 2/3
vote of the Senate a simple majority would suffice.
Pax,
Quintus Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Information on tunic colors needed!!!!! |
| From: |
"Christopher Duemmel" <cduemmel@bellsouth.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:09:17 -0400 |
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I can only offer what I know, and I'm sure you already know this.
I tend to do most of my research and readings through Matthew Amt's Legio XX
website, and linking out from there. They tend to run things as only
Centurions wore red tunics, while all other soldiers wore white. I'm sure
other colors were prolific within the civilian arena, as I have a hard time
believing that white was the "only" color available to civilians. This is an
issue that is still being debated, and I would love to hear an answer, but
without hard evidence (which at this time there is none) I believe we are
stuck.
-----Original Message-----
From: tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch [mailto:tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 5:15 AM
To: Nova Roma
Subject: [novaroma] Information on tunic colors needed!!!!!
Salvete omnes,
I am a student of roman history and Latin and have read some interesting
information in an email on this list. Somebody has written, that tunic
colors
in the military were always white, from the late Republic to the imperial
times. Could anybody with information on this please contact me either by
answering to this mail, or to the following two adresses:
thomas.h@bluemail.ch
thomas.hanzi@bluewin.ch
I am trying to get as much scientific information as possible on this
because
if this is really true, it will revolutionize the whole reenactment scene
and the whole picture we have of the roman army.
This might well become a topic for my final examination paper at the
university.
Thank you very much for helping me, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed) |
| From: |
"Marcus Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@bigpond.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:17:14 +1000 |
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There seems to have been a bit of contention in the Census law debate about
the validity of a citizen and their real or false identity.
Can I suggest that the likelihood of someone setting up a number of "fake"
NR citizenships is so low as to be irrelevant? What could be gained by me
setting up multiple email addresses (which I have several of already) just
to appear in the NR world as different people?
I could get multiple votes instead of one. Yeah, okay. I could do that. But
to what purpose? If I wanted to cheat the system, then I am hardly
displaying the noble ideals I thought were part and parcel of being a Roman.
And so who am I cheating? Myself, or NovaRoma?
As for checking the validity of a citizen's application by cross referencing
whitepages etc, I can assure you all that such checks on me would yield
little - I am deliberately not listed in a number of more common databases
because I do not have things like telephone details in my name. In fact, "M.
Flavius Aurelius" is not listed ANYWHERE as a name for me *except* NovaRoma.
But that hardly means I am not real, or that I am part of someone else's
"stack" of NR for the purposes of doctoring elections.
Marcus Flavius Aurelius
Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
marcus.flavius@bigpond.com
ICQ: 4895187
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Census Lex |
| From: |
Marucus Quintius Andronicus <gens_quintia@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:29:59 -0700 (PDT) |
|
I was wondering with the proposal of the census lex,
if it had been considered for a way of updating
personal info on the website? I noticed one way for
the censors to contact those who failed to reply was
by snail-mail. Could that be added to the website as
information updateable by the cive like the email
already is? Or phone numbers? of course all this
would still be privileged information between the
citizen and the censors. I for one think this should
be added anyway, I've moved twice since becoming a
citizen and am planning to make one more move in the
next 6 months, and I dont know what address is listed
with the censors.
Vale,
Marcus Quintius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Census Lex |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:01:37 -0700 |
|
Avete Marcus Quintus et Omnes,
Marucus Quintius Andronicus wrote:
> I was wondering with the proposal of the census lex,
> if it had been considered for a way of updating
> personal info on the website?
One of the hoped for goals would be individual citizens would upon
contact update their contact information. Unfortunately the vast
majority of our citizens have not taken the initiative to update their
information on their own. This is one of the fundamental reasons I have
drafted the Proposed Census law.
> I noticed one way for
> the censors to contact those who failed to reply was
> by snail-mail.
Surface (Snail) mail will be one of the methods used by the Censors (or
their staff) to contact citizens. (Please reference IV.D of the proposed
Census law)
> Could that be added to the website as
> information updateable by the cive like the email
> already is?
This will be done. There will be a banner on the Nova Roma website
advertising the Census. There will also be a section where citizens can
input their updated information. (Please reference IV.E and V of the
proposed Census Law)
> Or phone numbers?
This can be there as well (Please reference IV.E of the proposed Census
Law)
> of course all this
> would still be privileged information between the
> citizen and the censors.
Exactly. There is still the Lex Cornelia de Privatus Rebus that
protects all confidential information.
> I for one think this should
> be added anyway, I've moved twice since becoming a
> citizen and am planning to make one more move in the
> next 6 months, and I dont know what address is listed
> with the censors.
>
Til the law is adopted you can simply email the Censors with an update.
They can directly input that information into the Album Civium.
Very Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
>
> Vale,
> Marcus Quintius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed) |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:15:36 -0700 |
|
Avete Omnes,
This is one of the most thought provoking issues I have had to weigh
when it came to writing the proposed Census Law. Are there individuals
who hold more than 1 citizenship in Nova Roma? Did they do that by
accident or on purpose? Are they using this advantage in a way that
undermines the credibility of Nova Roma? How do we want to correct
this? Is the costs of a very detailed Census going to balance out in
the end? Basically how much money are we willing to throw at this
problem?
When I spoke with our Tribune he informed me of the obvious. There were
individuals who hold more than 1 citizenship in Nova Roma. His reason
for proposing the more in-depth Census was to remedy this issue. I
understand his rationale and I thank him for his attempt in trying to
fix it.
Marcus Flavius Aurelius wrote:
> There seems to have been a bit of contention in the Census law debate
> about
> the validity of a citizen and their real or false identity.
>
> Can I suggest that the likelihood of someone setting up a number of
> "fake"
> NR citizenships is so low as to be irrelevant?
As long as membership is initially free in Nova Roma, I think this will
be an ongoing issue. However, there can be steps taken, such has
having the Censors implement some procedure before the approval of new
citizens?
> What could be gained by me
> setting up multiple email addresses (which I have several of already)
> just
> to appear in the NR world as different people?
Voting advantage. That's basically it.
>
> I could get multiple votes instead of one. Yeah, okay. I could do
> that. But
> to what purpose?
Well for your first year you will have an advantage BUT, then the Lex
Vedia de Assidui comes to play. Are you going to pay for all those
extra taxes to maintain that voting advantage? And, if the taxes get
increased are you still going to continue to maintain that advantage?
> If I wanted to cheat the system, then I am hardly
> displaying the noble ideals I thought were part and parcel of being a
> Roman.
> And so who am I cheating? Myself, or NovaRoma?
>
That goes without saying. However, until you are discovered, only you
and the Gods know.
>
> As for checking the validity of a citizen's application by cross
> referencing
> whitepages etc, I can assure you all that such checks on me would
> yield
> little - I am deliberately not listed in a number of more common
> databases
> because I do not have things like telephone details in my name. In
> fact, "M.
> Flavius Aurelius" is not listed ANYWHERE as a name for me *except*
> NovaRoma.
> But that hardly means I am not real, or that I am part of someone
> else's
> "stack" of NR for the purposes of doctoring elections.
>
Well, Tribune Salix was going to have the Censors utilize the Album
(macronational legal name, address and phone numbers) to verify
identity.
Very Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul
>
> Marcus Flavius Aurelius
> Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Villa of the Papyri Donation Update |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 5 Apr 2002 00:56:57 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve,
I have found this site concerning this topic:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/04/01/1017206183365.html
Vale bene
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
--- amrcg <antonio.grilo@inov.pt> wrote:
> Salve Amuli Claudi Petre
>
> Congratulations for your good work. Your news are so
> amazingly good
> that I had to check is you had posted on April 1st
> =).
>
> Is there any chance of knowing in advance what
> scrolls have already
> been identified? Could you contact Professor Janko
> and ask him for a
> preliminary notice on the excavation?
>
> Vale bene
> Graecus
>
>
> --- In novaroma@y..., Amulius Claudius Petrus
> <pkkt@b...> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete cives et amici,
> >
> > A few days ago I posted a message concerning the
> excavation of a
> villa in
> > Herculaneum threatened by flooding. Within this
> villa many ancient
> scrolls
> > have been discovered, and when translated have
> been found to
> contain lost
> > works. Currently, lack of funds prevents further
> excavations, and
> flooding
> > could destroy those scrolls that still remain
> within the villa. In
> this
> > message I also proposed that Nova Roma should
> assist by raising
> funds for
> > this significant cultural project and do what it
> can to see that
> the scrolls
> > are not lost. Today I got in contact with the man
> leading this whole
> > project, Professor Janko.
> >
> > Professor Janko is the leading authority in both
> the excavation of
> the villa
> > and the translation of the scrolls. He informed me
> that currently
> he is
> > attempting to bring together at team of Italian
> officials and
> concerned
> > philanthropists. The professor assured me that he
> will spread the
> word of
> > our interest to all those involved and connect me
> with those who are
> > collecting funds for this project, such as the
> government around
> the Bay of
> > Naples. He also informed me that he, himself, is
> interested in
> staying in
> > touch with Nova Roma and will inform us of further
> developments in
> the
> > project.
> >
> > Overall, it was very interesting and exciting! I
> believe we are
> working in
> > the right direction, and have come far in a few
> days. Hopefully I
> will be
> > able to forward further details concerning this
> topic to you all in
> the near
> > future.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > --
> > Amulius Claudius Petrus
> > Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> > Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
> > Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
> > Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
> >
> >
>
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> >
>
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> >
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] About the Proposed Census Law |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:43:52 EDT |
|
Salvete.
Romans held censuses every five years for a definite reason. To determine
the property qualification of citizens so they could take their correct place
in the Phalanx. They likely got it from Etruscans. Later this was changed
to the Legio.
As the Principate came to power, census were held to determine tax base. The
census was no longer confined to Italia but now included all the provinces.
Nova Roma needs to hold a census for its "tax base." We have no property
qualification we use service to Rome to establish standing instead.
Nevertheless we have many citizens on the rolls who have forgotten what Nova
Roma is. They joined as a diversion, and now have moved on to other things.
It would be good to know who these are, so we can attempt to contact them and
find out their intentions. That's all.
This lex should reflect this and nothing else. Purusing phone books for
discovery of cheating citizens is extremely time consuming, and ultimately
counterproductive.
As for loading up voting blocks with multiple citizen names, the dues will
take care of that.
If a citizen wants to spend 60.00 or more to maintain the fiction of many
citizens, Rome needs the money, and his influence on voting is not as great
as people think because of the spread of the centuries.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed) |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:25:11 +0100 (BST) |
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Salvete Quirites; et salve, consul Sulla.
--- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Avete Omnes,
>
> This is one of the most thought provoking issues I have had to weigh
> when it came to writing the proposed Census Law. Are there
> individuals
> who hold more than 1 citizenship in Nova Roma? Did they do that by
> accident or on purpose? Are they using this advantage in a way that
> undermines the credibility of Nova Roma? How do we want to correct
> this? Is the costs of a very detailed Census going to balance out in
> the end? Basically how much money are we willing to throw at this
> problem?
>
> When I spoke with our Tribune he informed me of the obvious. There
> were individuals who hold more than 1 citizenship in Nova Roma. His
> reason for proposing the more in-depth Census was to remedy this
> issue. I understand his rationale and I thank him for his attempt in
> trying to fix it.
Thank you very much for your comprehension and kind words, consul. It
was just a pity the fact that we could not reach an agreement on this issue.
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.
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