| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Information on tunic colors needed!!!!! |
| From: |
"Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:01:00 -0700 |
|
I too am curious about any hard knowledge of Roman fashion. As I understand
it, there are absolutely no remnants of Roman clothing (anybody more
qualified, please correct me) and the only primary sources we have are
either written accounts or artwork.
Unless something has been recovered in the arid climates of N. Africa or the
frigid climates of North Europe (which is wholly conceivable), I think we
are looking at traces of paint on sculpture and mosaics and reading first
hand accounts to pu t together our incomplete picture of how they dressed in
Antiqua. As I understand it , most textiles are extremely perishable from
an archaeologist's perspective. Sadly, modern polyester will be around
forever, and our distant progeny will think we all dressed like Travolta.
I have seen 20th Century illustrations of Roman civilians dressed in tunics
of every convceivable color. The only limits being the crude nature of
textile dyeing, the wearer's social status, and his ability to afford it. I
have also seen illustrations of soldiers wearing tunics of white, red, blue
and yellow.
But it's going to take a lot to dissuade the reenactors out there from
donning their flashy tunics of Spartan crimson.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Cerialia Chat Reminder |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:09:51 -0400 |
|
Salvete cives et amici,
At 9:00 PM EST (3:00 AM in Rome) there will be a chat session with live
gladiator combats in the Nova Roma chat room. If you are available at this
time, I welcome you to come and enjoy the spectacles!
Valete,
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
--------------------------------------------------------------
The Cerialia celebration has started!
Join in and celebrate the games. For more information visit:
http://www25.brinkster.com/canorien/cerialia/
--------------------------------------------------------------
Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Cerialia: Gladiator Combat II Gladius vs Fulmen |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:42:14 -0400 |
|
Salvete cives et amici,
This match was presented live in the Nova Roma chat room at 3:00 Roma time.
My thanks to those citizens that came out to cheer for their favourite
gladiator! Tomorrow, match III will be presented live in the Nova Roma chat
room at 3:00 AM Roma time (9:00 PM EST)! This match will be a battle between
Titus and Asterix! I look forward to seeing you all in the arena for the
next gladiator combat!
RECORD OF GLADIATOR MATCH II:
Welcome once again to the arena! As your Junior Curule Aedile it is my
pleasure to present todayıs games. The gladiator combat today will be the
second one of the Cerialia, and this is another chance to determine who will
be a champion of the games. Without further discussion I will present to you
todayıs competitors!
He hails originally from Hispania, but now resides with his owner. He is
about 6'1" tall, 190 lbs., with a slender, but muscular build. He has been
victorious in combats in arenas throughout the republic, as his owner loves
to travel. He is quite the loner, and when not training, pursues other
interests such as personal bodyguard and legion auxiliary. This, my fellow
citizens, is the glorious Gladius Peregrinus owned by citizen Gaius Lanius
Falco!
His opponent today originally wanted to fight as a Myrmillio because his
tribe specialised in long spears and his remarkable aptitude for thetrident
made him prefect for fighting as a retiarius. His speed delivering a first
strike with the trident is nothing short of phenomenal. This man would be
the lightning quick Fulmen owned by citizen Titus Octavius Pius!*
The two gladiators are now saluting and greeting todays audience. After a
few moments they both take their battle stances and prepare for the match to
begin. I raise my hand as a signal to prepare and drop it to single the
start of the fight.
Gladius starts the battle quickly by lashing out with his sword at his
opponent. This proves useless and Fulmen easily moves to avoid the attack.*
Fulmen responds by stabbing out with his trident. It is blocked by his
opponentıs shield and gets stuck for a few seconds until he is able to pull
it free.*
Gladius takes his time looking for the perfect moment to strike. He finds
one and stabs out once again. Filmenıs speed saves him and he deflects the
attack with his trident.
Fulmen whips his net out at his opponent hoping to get it caught on his
helmet. This attempt fails.
Gladius responds quickly by slashing out at his opponent, although Fulmen is
able to move back away from the attack.
Fulmen tosses out his net once again, this time it catches! He quickly jerks
it towards him making Gladius lose his balance. He takes advantage of this
by striking with his trident! It just barley hits Glaudius in the chest,
causing a slight gash across his body!
Gladius quickly gets the net off him. He now looks slightly timid. He
approaches his opponent slowly slashing at him. This attack is deflected by
the trident of Fulmen.
Fulmen quickly tosses his net out again at Gladius. Although this time
Gladius is successful in removing it quickly before Fulmen has a chance to
strike.
Gladius, now looking frustrated at the situation, suddenly steps forward
towards his opponent avoiding the trident and stabbing out. The sword meets
flesh and causes a bad wound in Fulmenıs left shoulder!
Fulmen backs away dropping his net and grabbing his wounded shoulder. His
opponent lets down his guard and he is able to strike at his unprotected
chest. The attack hits causing a shallow wound in Gladius lower body!
Gladius cringes from the pain, but manages to slash out at Fulmenıs legs.
The sword hits causing a gruesome slash across both of Fulmens legs! This
may slow him down...
Fulmen ignores the new wounds and stabs out very quickly at his opponent in
anger, although Gladius predicts the move and blocks with his shield.
Glaudius is now fighthting stronger, but he is still loosing a lot of blood.
Glaudius unleashes a fast attack at his opponentıs chest. This attack proves
useless by a deflection by Fulmenıs trident.
Fulmen seems to be getting more timid in his attacks. He quickly stabs out
in a predictable manner towards his opponent. Gladius is able to avoid the
attack completely by moving out of the way quickly.
Gladius responds by slashing down at his opponent quickly. The sword becomes
lodged in the trident, and Gladius is forced to step back away from his
opponent to unlodge it.
Fulmen stumbles, recovers, and stabs out at Gladius as quick as possible.
The attack is blocked by Gladius, and the trident becomes stuck in the
shield.
Gladius quickly pulls his shield upwards to remove the trident stuck in it.
This motion causes Fulmen to become unbalanced, and he stumbles towards
Gladius. In an instant Gladius stabs out at the body of Fulmen moving
towards him, instantly eliminating his opponent!
Gladius Peregrinus owned by citizen Gaius Lanius Falco is victorious!
Congratulations to our newest Cerialia champion! The name of Gaius Lanius
Falco will be recorded as a champion in the ludi section of NovaRoma.org!
Valete,
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
--------------------------------------------------------------
The Cerialia celebration has started!
Join in and celebrate the games. For more information visit:
http://www25.brinkster.com/canorien/cerialia/
--------------------------------------------------------------
Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Information on tunic colors needed!!!!! |
| From: |
"Christopher Duemmel" <cduemmel@bellsouth.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:38:45 -0400 |
|
The way I see it though, the red tunica or even the white makes sense from a
military perspective. Uniformity among the troops makes a certain amount of
sense.
I don't imagine that there were many colors utilized among the military.
Perhaps to denote branches of service? Different color tunics for cavalry,
infantry, navy, etc. Granted I'm no scholar or archeologist, but to me that
makes sense.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus [mailto:ahenobarbus@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 2:01 PM
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Information on tunic colors needed!!!!!
I too am curious about any hard knowledge of Roman fashion. As I understand
it, there are absolutely no remnants of Roman clothing (anybody more
qualified, please correct me) and the only primary sources we have are
either written accounts or artwork.
Unless something has been recovered in the arid climates of N. Africa or the
frigid climates of North Europe (which is wholly conceivable), I think we
are looking at traces of paint on sculpture and mosaics and reading first
hand accounts to pu t together our incomplete picture of how they dressed in
Antiqua. As I understand it , most textiles are extremely perishable from
an archaeologist's perspective. Sadly, modern polyester will be around
forever, and our distant progeny will think we all dressed like Travolta.
I have seen 20th Century illustrations of Roman civilians dressed in tunics
of every convceivable color. The only limits being the crude nature of
textile dyeing, the wearer's social status, and his ability to afford it. I
have also seen illustrations of soldiers wearing tunics of white, red, blue
and yellow.
But it's going to take a lot to dissuade the reenactors out there from
donning their flashy tunics of Spartan crimson.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Information on tunic colors needed!!!!! |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 Apr 2002 04:01:49 -0000 |
|
Salve,
--- In novaroma@y..., "Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus"
<ahenobarbus@h...> wrote:
> I too am curious about any hard knowledge of Roman fashion. As I
understand
> it, there are absolutely no remnants of Roman clothing (anybody
more
> qualified, please correct me) and the only primary sources we have
are
> either written accounts or artwork.
> Unless something has been recovered in the arid climates of N.
Africa or the
> frigid climates of North Europe (which is wholly conceivable), I
think we
> are looking at traces of paint on sculpture and mosaics and reading
Something about this sparked my curiosity. It seems that Roman
textiles from my searching on the web is a overlooked area. Granted
the color of Lucius's tunic is not nearly as grand as an aqueduct,
but one would think that the color of Lucius's tunic would be of
interest to some archeologist.
Out of frustration of finding any concrete facts about colors of
clothing, I decided to place myself in the shoes of a Roman clothier
for a moment. The only dyes I would have at my disposal would be
ones that can be made naturally. Taking that tack, I did discover
that there are resources about natural dying agents. Most produce
various shades of brown, yellow and red being less available, shades
of blue being even more difficult to reproduce and keep from washing
out, and purple (of course) being the most difficult and expensive.
I am no expert, and can only hazard a slightly educated guess, given
what information I could find on dyes that would have been available
to the Romans I would say that among the masses the most common color
would be various shadings of brown. I postulate this for two
reasons, cheapest to produce and hides dirt well as the average
commoner didn't have easy access to water. Colors other than that
would most likely be limited to the upper classes.
Please remember I'm only hazarding a guess with the clues I have.
Sherlock Holmes I am not <G>
Pax,
Quintus Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed) |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:43:40 -0400 |
|
On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 10:59:02PM +0100, Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:
Salvete, omnes, et salve, G. Salix Astur -
> --- Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 05:55:51PM +0100, Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:
> > > I am trying to be constructive, though. I have suggested consul
> > > Sulla to add something else to make this census worth the effort. I
> > > suggested an identity check as an additional feature for this
> > > census; that is, that each citizen should send (just for the first
> > > census) some ID proof (passport, driving permit, etc). Name and
> > > date of birth would be enough, and this could be done either
> > > through fax, scanner or snail mail.
> >
> > I actually think that this is a _very_ poor idea, since it directly
> > contravenes the very basics of law-making: passing laws that are not
> > enforcible only makes the legislators look foolish.
>
> But the Comitia of Nova Roma has been passing laws that are not
> enforcible from day one. Think about the law on the Cursus Honorum;
> that law requires that the government of Nova Roma know the dates of
> birth of its citizens.
Really? I've just re-read the text of it - just to make sure that we're
speaking of the same thing, I refer to the "Lex Vedia de Curso Honorum" -
and there's nothing in there that requires birthdates, only terms of
service to NR.
> Otherwise, it is no enforcible.
I fail to see how a past mistake requires us to follow it up with another
one; in fact, I believe that we should learn from our past acts that we
recognize as mistakes.
> In fact, it is to avoid this kind of thing that I proposed this reform.
Oh, I was certainly not expressing any doubt of your good intentions; it is
only the mechanism of the proposal that I found to be flawed.
> > How do you propose to stop people from sending fake IDs, or from
> > borrowing someone else's ID? How do you plan to recognize what a
> > valid ID looks like for a given country, region, motor vehicle
> > department, etc.? I'm not much of a graphic artist, but I think that
> > I could fake up a grand-looking document from, say, the island nation
> > of Vaanu-Inau in about 15 minutes...
> > proving that it does not exist, especially if it's called something
> > different by non-natives, may prove to be a _little_ difficult.
>
> Well, perhaps you are right. In fact, my (private) proposal to consul
> Sulla included additional possibilities, like checking identity through
> public databases (like the yellow pages, or guvernamental census).
Worse and worse, along the same lines. The White Pages listings (yellow is
for businesses) are neither authoritative nor universal; as for official
databases, many countries including the US have privacy laws that would
make this very difficult if not impossible. Something that also needs to
be considered - and this is a point that could easily be a topic of debate
all its own - are the relative weights of a given citizen's right to
privacy versus NR's "need to know". I believe that Q. Fabius Maximus has
summed up the situation correctly and sufficiently: anyone who wishes to
buy votes (for whatever "power" they think it will give them) is welcome to
give it a shot; NR can use the extra dues.
> If such databases were not accessible in a certain area, perhaps
> provincial authorities (or their delegates) could check identity in
> face-to-face meetings.
Worse yet. A large workload to be imposed on provincial authorities,
perhaps requiring them to travel across their province - anyone care for a
drive through all of, say, Lacus Magni? - or establishing absolute bona
fides for delegates who will then have to travel across, etc. Take it from
someone who teaches people about security for a living: a properly designed
authentication process has an infinite number of ways to fail and only a
few ways to succeed - and it's never easy or simple unless you have complete
control of the entire environment. This applies to social systems just as
much as it does to computers; that's why the most restrictive societies try
to institute internal passports, etc.
> As long as the identity of our citizens is checked, the means are
> unimportant.
I disagree, for several reasons. A major one is the assumption that the
identity must be checked in the first place; unless you can show an
absolute need for such a thing, I see it as an unnecessary intrusion on a
cive's privacy (although I can see where it may be necessary in individual
cases.) Another one - and this is by no means an exhaustive list - is that
I believe it would require an expenditure of money and effort which could
be far better used elsewhere... if they are even available in the first
place. Please remember that we're talking about using the effort of people
who have not yet agreed to expend it - and that is a place where we should
tread very lightly indeed.
> > As well, an idea worthy of consideration: many new nations had a
> > policy of amnesty for anyone who would join them, all previous
> wrong-> doing forgiven and forgotten. This had two strongly positive
> results: > one, it swelled the ranks of the new nation with people who
> were
> > anxious to *not* be "caught wrong" again, since they had already
> > experienced what it's like to be on the wrong side of the law (and
> > perhaps becoming exemplary, effective citizens due to that previous
> > experience), and two, removing "undesirables" from their original
> > society - which may well have been a poor fit for those people in the
> > first place, leading to them falling outside the norm.
>
> I am not sure if this part of your message is related in any way to my
> original post. Perhaps I made a mistake by using the word "convicted"
> in my original post. You will have to pardon me, especially since I am
> not a native English speaker.
I had noticed that you post from a ".es" domain, but I've found your
English to be excellent - and still do: leaving out a referent is such a
common thing in English that I don't even consider it a mistake, just an
issue that requires clarification. <smile> Let's consider it clarified.
> I did not mean criminals convicted by other nations; I meant criminals
> convicted by Nova Roma. Those expulsed by Novoroman law.
As I noted in the sentence that followed that paragraph, "This is not a
proposal or even a suggestion; just a fact to take into consideration as we
all mull what would be useful to NR as a new nation." A peripheral thought,
nothing more.
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Videant consules ne quid detrimenti capiat respublica.
-- Phrase that gave the Roman consuls absolute power when the state was in
a severe crisis. Quoted by Cicero in "In Catilinam".
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Cerialia Chat and Live Gladiator Combat |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@bconnex.net> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:30:40 -0400 |
|
Salvete cives et amici,
Today there will be a chat room gathering starting at 9:00 PM ET. I invite
all citizens to come and socialise with their fellow citizens and to enjoy
the spectacles during this time of celebration.
Time Zone Differences:
9:00 PM ET
8:00 PM CT
7:00 PM MT
6:00 PM PT
London 2:00 AM
Most of Europe 3:00 AM
Chat room location: http://www.novaroma.org/bin/chat/chat
Valete,
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
--------------------------------------------------------------
The Cerialia celebration has started!
Join in and celebrate the games. For more information visit:
http://www25.brinkster.com/canorien/cerialia/
--------------------------------------------------------------
Canada Orientalis Website:
www25.brinkster.com/canorien/
Gens Claudia Website:
www27.brinkster.com/gensclaudia/
--
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Information on tunic colors needed!!!!! |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 Apr 2002 11:01:16 -0400 |
|
On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 04:01:49AM -0000, quintuscassiuscalvus wrote:
Salve -
> Out of frustration of finding any concrete facts about colors of
> clothing, I decided to place myself in the shoes of a Roman clothier
> for a moment. The only dyes I would have at my disposal would be
> ones that can be made naturally. Taking that tack, I did discover
> that there are resources about natural dying agents. Most produce
> various shades of brown, yellow and red being less available, shades
> of blue being even more difficult to reproduce and keep from washing
> out, and purple (of course) being the most difficult and expensive.
>
> I am no expert, and can only hazard a slightly educated guess, given
> what information I could find on dyes that would have been available
> to the Romans I would say that among the masses the most common color
> would be various shadings of brown. I postulate this for two
> reasons, cheapest to produce and hides dirt well as the average
> commoner didn't have easy access to water. Colors other than that
> would most likely be limited to the upper classes.
>
> Please remember I'm only hazarding a guess with the clues I have.
> Sherlock Holmes I am not <G>
I would say that you're managing a good imitation. :) If I remember
correctly from my days spent with the SCA, brown (especially the light
shades, resembling the color of burlap) was one of the easiest and cheapest
dyes to obtain and "fix" (i.e., set so that it didn't wash out.) There is a
large number of people in the SCA who do "period clothing", including
carding, spinning, dyeing, etc. *There*'s a very large resource for the
kind of thing you're talking about - not Roman tunics specifically, but
good knowledge of what would have been available during the period
(although the SCA period centers around a later point in time than our
own.)
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Navigare necesse est.
-- Plutarchos
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Proposed Census Law (title needed) |
| From: |
"rexmarciusnr" <Tal123berg@aol.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:16:02 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes!
I am currently on a mission to Central Asia and do not have a lot of
time. So I have to be brief.
I find this proposal led by good intentions but nonetheless a
floodgate for a huge waste of tax payers' money. What it actually
means is that money from those most active (taxpayers) is channelled
to those most inactive. The benefits from the lex pale in view of the
huge implied costs and bureaucratic burdens it places on the Censors
and their staff. I would strongly suggest to at least rethink the
parts of the lex that require mandatory phone calls etc. to those
that obviously dont want to be reached. I believe that the tax law
does a job well enough weeding out dead wood.
Salvete
Marcus Marcius Rex
(currently trying to convince the Uzbek government to let go of
similar follies....I dont think NR should copy them)
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Proposed Census Law (title needed) |
| From: |
"rexmarciusnr" <Tal123berg@aol.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:18:05 -0000 |
|
Hmm did it go through?
MMR
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Re: Information on tunic colors needed!!!!! |
| From: |
tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:24:23 +0200 |
|
Salve,
Taking that tack, I did discover
>that there are resources about natural dying agents. Most produce
>various shades of brown, yellow and red being less available, shades
>of blue being even more difficult to reproduce and keep from washing
>out, and purple (of course) being the most difficult and expensive.
That is quite correct, nonetheless, it was possible to create almost every
color you can imagine. Some of the parts of tunics found in egypt show an
extraordinary amount of colors on the same tunic!!!!!!
Valete, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Information on tunic colors needed!!!!! |
| From: |
caiustarquitius@gmx.de |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:57:47 +0200 (MEST) |
|
Salvete!
Actually there are several thousand fragments of roman clothing. Most of
them are from Egypt, Jordania and Syria. Others come from northern Germany,
where they were preserved in bogs. Onother source for garment colours are mummy
portraits from the Fayum. What you can find out by looking at all these
remnants is, that roman male citizens generally wore white tunics, depending on the
period they had coloured clavi. Slaves, non-citizens, musicians and women
wore coloured clothing. Note, this should also count for soldiers: legionaries
white or sort of white, from the middle of the first century on with clavi,
auxiliaries with the local attire where they were created or stationed.
If so wants to see directly remnants of roman fabric, the Louvre has quite a
nice collection in their exhibition "Roman Egypt". For further information
search the internet for "koptic textiles" or e-mail me directly for
literature: caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.
Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
> Salve,
>
> --- In novaroma@y..., "Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus"
> <ahenobarbus@h...> wrote:
> > I too am curious about any hard knowledge of Roman fashion. As I
> understand
> > it, there are absolutely no remnants of Roman clothing (anybody
> more
> > qualified, please correct me) and the only primary sources we have
> are
> > either written accounts or artwork.
> > Unless something has been recovered in the arid climates of N.
> Africa or the
> > frigid climates of North Europe (which is wholly conceivable), I
> think we
> > are looking at traces of paint on sculpture and mosaics and reading
>
> Something about this sparked my curiosity. It seems that Roman
> textiles from my searching on the web is a overlooked area. Granted
> the color of Lucius's tunic is not nearly as grand as an aqueduct,
> but one would think that the color of Lucius's tunic would be of
> interest to some archeologist.
>
> Out of frustration of finding any concrete facts about colors of
> clothing, I decided to place myself in the shoes of a Roman clothier
> for a moment. The only dyes I would have at my disposal would be
> ones that can be made naturally. Taking that tack, I did discover
> that there are resources about natural dying agents. Most produce
> various shades of brown, yellow and red being less available, shades
> of blue being even more difficult to reproduce and keep from washing
> out, and purple (of course) being the most difficult and expensive.
>
> I am no expert, and can only hazard a slightly educated guess, given
> what information I could find on dyes that would have been available
> to the Romans I would say that among the masses the most common color
> would be various shadings of brown. I postulate this for two
> reasons, cheapest to produce and hides dirt well as the average
> commoner didn't have easy access to water. Colors other than that
> would most likely be limited to the upper classes.
>
> Please remember I'm only hazarding a guess with the clues I have.
> Sherlock Holmes I am not <G>
>
> Pax,
>
> Quintus Cassius Calvus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
--
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http://www.gmx.net
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Edictum Aedilicium IX about the appointment of a "Scriba Aedilis |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:21:29 +0200 |
|
Ex Officio Curile Aedile Caeso Fabius Q.
Edictum Aedilicium IX about the appointment of a "Scriba Aedilis
(Caeso Fabius Q.) Investigator Secundus et Artificium"
I have a very active and hard working Cohors Aedilis (Caeso Fabius
Q.). In the Officina Ludi (Festival and Games workshop) there is need
for one more assistant to assist those who already are working with
the Ludi. In the Officina Investigatoris (Research workshop) I seem
to have lost the Head at least for now, so here I now need a
temporary Head. To fill these positions I have recruited a new member
of the Cohors Aedilis.
I. I hereby appoint Honorable Caius Cornelius Ahenobarbus "Scriba
Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Investigator Secundus et Artificium" Second
Aedilian Scriba for Inquiry and Artwork), this is to be his full
title.
Honorable Caius Cornelius Ahenobarbus is also to become Caput ad
Tempus (Head for the time being) of the Officina Investigatoris
(Office of Inquiry) in his capacity as "Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius
Q.) Investigator Secundus". In this capacity he will have the main
responsibility for the creation of the Aedil's Handbook and some
other research. This Officina has been "decimated" as two members
seem to have left Nova Roma and one is on leave of absence. I may
re-organize this Officina if I can find more research interested
assistants.
Honorable Caius Cornelius Ahenobarbus is also, in his capacity as
"Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Artificium", to assist in the
Officina Ludi as Adiutor Tertius (Third Assistant) to Caput Officina
(Head of Department): Quaestor Illustrus Franciscus Apulus Caesar. In
this Officina he shall work together with the Adiutor Primus (First
Assistant): "Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Cursus Equorum"
(Aedilian Scriba for Horse Races) Honorable Gnaeus Salix Galeicus
and Adiutor Secundus (Second Assistant): Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius
Q.) Concursus Primus Honorable Caius Curius Saturninus (Procrator
Academia Thules).
II. As an official of Nova Roma this Scriba is asked to, within one
week of his appointment, swear the public oath shown on
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html using both his
Nova Roman name and within parenthesis his macroworld (real) name.
The Oath must be published on the Nova Roma Main List!
III. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
Given April the 14th, in the year of the consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, 2755 AUC.
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Curule Aedile
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Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
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