| Subject: | 
	 [novaroma] Romae laudatio ex Hispania | 
 
	| From: | 
	 Lucius Minicius <laietanus@yahoo.com> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:12:51 -0700 (PDT) | 
 
 | 
POPULUS NOVAROMANUS HISPANIAE NOVAROMANI S.P.D. 
 
ROMANI HISPANIAE SVMVS 
ROMA IN VITA NOSTRA ET IN IVRE NOSTRO PERVIVIT 
ROMA IN CIVITATIS ET IN VIIS NOSTRIS PERVIVIT 
IN LARIBVS NOSTRIBVS, 
IN LINGUIS NOSTRIS, 
IN OCULIS NOSTRIS 
IN CORDIBVS NOTRIS 
ROMA NOBISCVM HODIE VIVIT 
ROMA AETERNA MATER NOSTRA FVIT, EST, ERIT 
 
A.D. XI KALENDAS MAIAE - MMDCCLV A.V.C. 
FESTIVITAS PALILIARUM 
·------------------------------------------· 
 
Somos romanos de Hispania 
Roma pervive en nuestra vida y en nuestra ley 
Roma pervive en nuestras ciudades y en nuestros 
caminos 
En nuestras casas, 
en nuestras lenguas, 
en nuestros ojos, 
en nuestros corazones 
Roma vive todavia hoy en nosotros. 
Roma eterna nuestra madre fue, es, siempre será 
·------------------------------------------· 
 
We are Romans from Hispania 
Rome still lives in our lifes and in our laws 
Rome still lives in our cities and in our roads 
in our homes, 
in our tongues, 
in our eyes, 
in our hearts. 
Rome still lives on through us. 
Rome our mother eternal was, is, will ever be 
 
·------------------------------------------· 
 
- Lucius Mininius Laietanus,Barcino 
- Marianvs Adrianvs Sarvs, Hispalis 
- Tiberius Minicius Catulus, Mantua Carpetanorum 
- Gnaeus Salix Galaicus, Brigantium 
- Ianus Minicius Sparsus, Barcino 
- Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius, Mantua Carpetanorum 
- Marcus Salix Vigilius, Insulae Fortunatae 
- Marcus Salix Saverius, Matritum 
- Servivs Adrianvs Barcinonensis, Barcino 
- Claudius Salix Davianus, Barcino 
- Durmia Cintia Domna, Gades 
- Gnaeus Salix Astur, Mantua Carpetanorum 
- Marcus Minicius Rufus, Mantua Carpetanorum 
- Publius Salix Barbula, Murtia 
- Titus Minicius Marianus, Mantua Carpetanorum 
- Rubens Lucentinus Mediterranensis, Lucentum 
- Marcus Durmius Sisena 
 
 
SALVE, NAVTA, IN GRATAM TERRAM HISPANIAE! 
http://www.geocities.com/nrhispania 
 
TOMVLVS BONVS POPVLI HISPANI 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nrhispania/ 
 
 
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	| Subject: | 
	 [novaroma] Re: Cerialia: Art Contest Champion | 
 
	| From: | 
	 "Julilla" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:09:32 -0000 | 
 
 | 
--- In novaroma@y..., Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@b...> wrote: 
>  
> Salvete cives et amici, 
>  
<snipped> 
>  
> Nevertheless, when it comes down to numbers, there can be only one  
victor. 
> Therefore it is my great pleasure to present to you the champion of  
this 
> year¹s Cerialia Art Contest MMDCCLV A.U.C.! 
>  
> The champion, as decided by the average of all marks awarded by the  
judges, 
> is Julilla Sempronia Magna! Congradulations! 
 
Ecastor! O my goodness, what an honour, plurimas gratias!! It must  
have been the goddess working through me, for I am humbled indeed! 
 
--- 
       cura ut valeas, 
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna 
 ||||  www.villaivlilla.com 
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome 
 ||||  Rogatrix, MMDCCLV 
       Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae 
       Curatrix Araneae, 
       America Boreoccidentalis 
       http://ambor.konoko.net 
 
 
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	| Subject: | 
	 [novaroma] Lions, Elephants and other wild animals | 
 
	| From: | 
	 "Cl. Salix Davianus" <davius_sanctex@terra.es> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:52:41 -0500 | 
 
 | 
Salve Romani: 
 
It seems that distribution of aniamal on mediterranean shores was very different 2000 o 2500 years ago (at that time populaton was aproximately 1/8 or 1/6 of actual). Just a couple of examples: 
  
(1) General increase of population in Mediterranean Areas affected dramatically to animals on the top of food pyramid  [biological and ecological arguments show that this type are most vulnerable of all because they have had no natural enemies for a long time] 
 
(1a) GREECE AND ROME 
Abaut BC 200, Lion and Leopard were no longer in Greece and other areas of Asia Minor, in which previously they have existed. Wolfs and Chacals were relagated to Mountain and/or low density areas. The roman games also contributed to massive extintions: during the 100 day consagration of Coliseum Romanum about 9000 caputred wild animals were sacrificed; 10000 in the celefration of the triumphus Traiani of the conquest of Dacia. 
In the first centuries AD: elephant, rhinoceros and zebra become extincted from North Africa; Hippotamos in low Nile and the tiger in Persia and Mesopotamia. 
 
(1b) AEGYPT 
In the Nile Valley the extension of cultivated area, the dessication of swampy areas and hunting of animals provoqued the elimination and disappareance of many species. In the Ancient Kingdom (BC 2950 - BC 2350) animals such as elephants, rhinoceros and giraffes become extinct in the Valley. 
 
(2) Other animals were brought to Hispania about BC 900 by phoenicians (in Middle East this animal had been a wild animal domesticated lately in Aegypt). Rabitt were unknow animals for Phoenicians. In Phoenicia existed daimans (similiar to rabbits in size, but without long ears); phoenicians called these daimans <spn-> and also gave this name to Rabitts of Spain (in fact the name Hispania derives form <*´ishapan> 'land of rabbits'). 
 
Cl. Salix Davianus 
 
 
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	| Subject: | 
	 [novaroma] Lex Cornelia de suffragiis tribuendis | 
 
	| From: | 
	 Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:17:27 -0700 | 
 
 | 
Avete Omnes, 
 
It is my sincere pleasure to bring before you the last law for 
consideration for this month.  This law will specifically deal with the 
revision of the Lex Vedia Centuriata (Section II) 
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/lex99073007.html.  This law 
served Nova Roma well in the first 4 years of Nova Roma.  However, in 
the 4 years Nova Roma has grown and prospered.  In that time, many new 
positions have been created (viator, Vigintisexviri and others).  Also 
in the non-political sphere entirely new organizations have been created 
(Sodalitas and their officers).  Many of these positions, within the 
older law, have been undervalued or at worse not listed in terms of 
civil service recognition.  This law will correct that and will 
hopefully serve as a solid foundation that gives recognition for 
political, religious and social participation. 
 
Before I post this law, for your consideration, I would like to take 
this opportunity to thank Tribune M. Arminius for his valued assistance 
in assisting me in preparing this law.  His dedication in this has been 
invaluable.  Secondly, I would like to thank Caeso Fabius for his 
assistance and feedback in tweaking this law so that it would be 
workable, especially for provincia management while at the same time 
would prevent the abuse of Century points abuse.  I would also like to 
thank my staff for their assistance, dedication and comments in regards 
to the various laws, and ideas for laws, that get placed before them. 
 
Very Respectfully, 
 
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 
Consul 
_____ 
 
This Lex proposes to establish a method in which civil service is 
rewarded within Nova Roma.  This method will be referred as the Civil 
Service Index.  This Index will serve as the method in which 
participation; involvement and length of citizenship will be measured 
within Nova Roma.  The Civil Service Index will be the new name for 
Century Points. 
 
I.  MAGISTRATES ORDINARII (CURRENT/Past Service) 
 
Censor: 
  60 CSI (first year of service) 
120 CSI (second year of service) 
 
Past Service:  30 CSI Per year of service. 
 
Consul: 
100 CSI 
 
Past Service: 50 CSI. 
 
Praetor 
 80 CSI 
 
Past Service:  40 CSI. 
 
Aedilis Curule, Aedilis Plebis, Quaestor 
 50 CSI 
 
Past Service:  25 CSI. 
 
Tribunus Plebis 
 70 CSI 
 
Past Service:  35 CSI. 
 
Vigintisexviri (Curatores, Rogatores) 
 40 CSI 
 
Past Service: 20 CSI. 
 
Apparitores: 
 
Accensus, scriba of a Consul 
 25 CSI 
Scriba of a Censor, Praetor, Aedile or Vigintisexviri: (Maximum of 4 
scribes) 
 25 CSI 
 
This does not prevent magistrates from appointing additional scribes, 
however if this is done, it is the responsibility of the magistrate to 
notify the Censors, which scribes are to be awarded the points by the 
end of October. 
 
Past Service:  10 CSI. 
 
If a magistrate only serves part of his term as a suffectus or resigns 
his/her office while in office they will only be awarded partially. 
This will be based on increments of Quarters.   However Past Service 
points will be awarded in full. 
 
The Senate shall have the authority to set limits on the number of 
Provincial officials who receive points.  Until the Senate acts the 
limits shall be those limits stipulated in this law. 
 
 II.  MAGISTRATES EXTRAORDINARII 
 
Dictator: 
100 CSI 
 
Past Service:  50 CSI. 
 
Interrex: 
 15 CSI 
 
Magister Equitum: 
 50 CSI 
 
Past Service 25 CSI. 
 
III.  SACERDOTES 
 
Pontifex Maximus, Rex et Regina Sacrorum, Flamines Maiores (Flamen 
Dialis, Flamen Martialis, Flamen Quirinalis), Vestal Maxima: 
100 CSI 
 
Pontifex, Flamines Minores (nine others from Carmentalis to 
Volturnalis), Augur, Vestal 
 75 CSI 
 
Other positons (Epulones, Arvales, Luperci, Salii, Fetiales, others of 
this nature): 
 50 CSI 
 
IV.  PROVINCIAL POSITIONS 
 
Gubernator (Propraetor, Actively Serving Proconsul) 
 60 CSI 
 
Past Service: 25 CSI (Per year) 
 
Provincial Legate: (1 individual only) 
 30 CSI 
 
Past Service:  10 CSI 
 
Praefectus (Regional Administrators) (4 individuals only) 
20 CSI 
 
Past Service:  5 CSI 
 
Provincia Scriba: (Up to 6 individuals) 
 15 CSI 
 
Past Service:  3 CSI 
 
Provincia Sarcerdos (1 individual) 
20 CSI. 
 
Past Service:  5 CSI 
 
Viatores:  (Up to 6 individuals) 
7 CSI 
 
Past Service:  1 CSI 
 
This does not prevent magistrates from appointing additional scribes, 
however if this is done, it is the responsibility of the 
Propraetor/Proconsul to notify the Censors, which scribes are to be 
awarded the points by the end of October. 
 
The Senate shall have the authority to set limits on the number of 
Provincial officials who receive points.  Until the Senate acts the 
limits shall be those limits stipulated in this law. 
 
 V.  OTHER POSITIONS 
 
Senator: 
 70 CSI 
 
Sodalitates Positions: 
 
Founders of an Officially Sanctioned Sodalitas (can be individuals or a 
committee) 
 20 CSI 
 
Persons of Authority in an Officially Sanctioned Sodalitas: (limit of 5 
individuals) 
 10 CSI 
 
It is the responsibility of the Head of the Sodalitas to notify the 
Censors, which individuals are to be awarded the points by the end of 
October. 
 
Members of an Officially Sanctioned Sodalitas: 
  2 CSI 
 
 VI.  ORDOS, MATER/PATERFAMILIAS, CANDIDATURE 
 
Ordos: 
 
Patricius: 
 20 CSI 
Plebis: 
 10 CSI 
Equites: 
  7 CSI (to be added to either of the above two) 
 
Length of Citizenship: 
 
Citizen for 0 to 5 months: 
  5 CSI total 
Citizen for 6 to 11 months: 
10 CSI total 
Citizen for 12 to 23 months: 
20 CSI total 
Every year after 2 years: 
10 CSI each year 
 
Unsuccessfully ran for office: 
  5 CSI (not applicable to candidates who are involved in run-off 
elections) 
 
Mater/Paterfamilias...points for approving new gens members: 
 
Each Patrician Mater/Paterfamilias who approves a new gens member 
  3 CSI per filius (filia) 
Each Plebian Mater/Paterfamilias who approves a new gens member 
  5 CSI per filius (filia) 
 
Cursus Honorum - (Quaestor- Praetor - Consul)  (Tribune of the Plebs - 
Praetor - Consul) 
10 CSI 
 
Pater Patriae  - 
25 CSI 
 
VII. Senatorial awards: 
 
The Senate with the approval of 2/3 vote may grant the award of extra 
century points to individual citizens for reward of the completion of 
tasks and special positions that are not covered in the above lex. 
 
VIII. 
 
This law will be retroactive.  When the Censors recalculate the 
allocations for the Comitia Centuriata all prior civil services will be 
calculated based on the guidelines established by this lex.  For 
example, individuals’ serving as Consul in 2000 earns the same points as 
being Consul in 2003. 
_______________ 
 
 
 
 
 
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	| Subject: | 
	 [novaroma] Re: Lex Cornelia de suffragiis tribuendis | 
 
	| From: | 
	 Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:34:18 +0200 | 
 
 | 
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix wrote: 
> I.  MAGISTRATES ORDINARII (CURRENT/Past Service) 
> Scriba of a Censor, Praetor, Aedile or Vigintisexviri: (Maximum of 4 
> scribes) 
>  
> IV.  PROVINCIAL POSITIONS 
> Provincial Legate: (1 individual only) 
> Praefectus (Regional Administrators) (4 individuals only) 
> Provincia Scriba: (Up to 6 individuals) 
> Provincia Sarcerdos (1 individual) 
> Viatores:  (Up to 6 individuals) 
 
Salve, Luci Corneli Sulla Felix. 
 
First, I don't see the need for a completely new century point system, 
even though I'm not satisfied with the current one. A couple of 
amendments would work just as well, without having to come up with new 
names for old concepts. The basic structure would be the same, anyway, 
so keep the old and throw in some new, don't throw out the old and see 
what new can be fitted into the empty space. 
 
That said, on to the second, and more important, point: I'm strongly 
opposed to the limits on supportive/administrative staff. Well, not 
actual limits, but limits on how many "approved" assistants one may 
have. Nothing prevents a governor from appointing two legatii or five 
praefectii, but only one legatus and four praefectii will receive any 
recognition for their efforts. Why not leave the exact numbers of 
assistants to the magistrate/governor, as it is now? A governor who 
abuses the system will not be prorogued by the senate, and a magistrate 
who does will not receive a second mandate for office. 
 
Why would anyone need more than four praefectus? I'll use my own 
provincia for an example. We are composed of five different 
macronations, each with their own language and customs, and hence in 
need of a regional administrator, whom our propraetor has chosen to name 
as regional legatii. There are, admittedly, not many provinciae composed 
of so many macronations, but many contain a wide variety of subcultures, 
each of whom should have the possibility of a contact they can interact 
with on equal terms. 
 
My point here is that we cannot know for sure how large the demand is, 
much less how large it will be at a later point, and should therefore 
not this severly limit the tools our propraetors have and use to 
administer their provinciae. 
 
And yes, yes...he CAN appoint more. But how will he explain to the fifth 
regional praefectus that he won't get any century points/Civil Service 
Index for his service, while they will? Is this a way to motivate the 
fifth, and maybe sixth and seventh, regional administrators to render 
service to Nova Roma? 
 
Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed herein are my own, and not in any way 
connected to my friends, contacts or associates within Nova Roma, nor to 
any offices which I hold. I have endeavoured to express them in a 
non-aggressive, constructive way, and have no intentions of offending 
anyone. If you eat any printouts of this e-mail, I am not responsible if 
you choke. Rubber gloves are recommended when handling printouts, so as 
to avoid papercuts. Electric shocks received while digitally viewing 
this document are not covered by the insurance provided according 
to...<trails off into undecipherable legal mumbo-jumbo> 
 
(Pardon the last part of the disclaimer, I'm tired and got carried away. 
Some humour is always advisable, even in a serious political 
discussion.) 
 
Vale, Titus Octavius Pius. 
 
--  
 
"Qui desiderat bellum, praeparet bellum." - Vetinari 
 
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	| Subject: | 
	 Re: [novaroma] Lex Cornelia de suffragiis tribuendis | 
 
	| From: | 
	 =?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:56:18 +0100 (BST) | 
 
 | 
Salvete Quirites; et salve, consul Sulla. 
 
I have a couple of questions about your latest legislative proposal, if 
you don't mind. 
 
--- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:  
 
<<snipped>> 
 
> Censor: 
>   60 CSI (first year of service) 
> 120 CSI (second year of service) 
>  
> Past Service:  30 CSI Per year of service. 
 
What does it exactly mean "past service" in this context? How are these 
points exactly awarded? 
 
<<snipped>> 
 
> Scriba of a Censor, Praetor, Aedile or Vigintisexviri: (Maximum of 4 
> scribes) 
>  25 CSI 
>  
> This does not prevent magistrates from appointing additional scribes, 
> however if this is done, it is the responsibility of the magistrate 
> to notify the Censors, which scribes are to be awarded the points by 
> the end of October. 
 
I am not sure why this proposal tries to establish a limit of the 
official assistants of a magistrate. Surely, you will understand that 
the number of assistants a certain magistrate might need can vary 
wildly, depending on particular circumstances and on the actual 
workload a specific magistrate wants to undertake. 
 
I understand that you want to avoid free giving of these points. No one 
wants to see how points are awarded to people that are not doing 
anything. However, limiting the number of assitants of a magistrate is 
not a good solution, because a magistrate can need *many* assitants. 
 
My solution would be this: let each magistrate decide how many 
assistants he needs. If a magistrate commited abuse on this issue, 
well, that can be publicly denounced. A magistrate that does not behave 
properly will find himself short of votes in the next election. And, if 
the abuse were flagrant, the Consules or the Tribuni can always veto 
his appointments. 
 
Let's not fall in the mistake of making laws that are too rigid to be 
of any good. Laws should be as lax and flexible as possible, because 
laws, unlike computer programs or building structures, have to deal 
with the complexity of human minds and human relationships. 
 
===== 
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum! 
Gnaeus Salix Astur. 
Tribunus Plebis 
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae 
Triumvir Academiae Thules  
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules 
Lictor Curiatus. 
 
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	| Subject: | 
	 Re: [novaroma] Lex Cornelia de suffragiis tribuendis | 
 
	| From: | 
	 Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:11:01 -0700 | 
 
 | 
 
 
Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote: 
 
>  Salvete Quirites; et salve, consul Sulla. 
> 
> I have a couple of questions about your latest legislative proposal, 
> if 
> you don't mind. 
> 
> --- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote: 
> 
> <<snipped>> 
> 
> > Censor: 
> >   60 CSI (first year of service) 
> > 120 CSI (second year of service) 
> > 
> > Past Service:  30 CSI Per year of service. 
> 
> What does it exactly mean "past service" in this context? How are 
> these 
> points exactly awarded? 
> 
 
Past service would mean that I have been a Censor for two years, thus I 
would get 60  Points, because of holding office for two years.  Caius 
Marius Merullus, was censor for 1 year.  Thus he would get 30 Points.  I 
hope this clears that up. 
 
> 
> <<snipped>> 
> 
> > Scriba of a Censor, Praetor, Aedile or Vigintisexviri: (Maximum of 4 
> 
> > scribes) 
> >  25 CSI 
> > 
> > This does not prevent magistrates from appointing additional 
> scribes, 
> > however if this is done, it is the responsibility of the magistrate 
> > to notify the Censors, which scribes are to be awarded the points by 
> 
> > the end of October. 
> 
> I am not sure why this proposal tries to establish a limit of the 
> official assistants of a magistrate. Surely, you will understand that 
> the number of assistants a certain magistrate might need can vary 
> wildly, depending on particular circumstances and on the actual 
> workload a specific magistrate wants to undertake. 
> 
 
To prevent abuse. 
 
> 
> I understand that you want to avoid free giving of these points. No 
> one 
> wants to see how points are awarded to people that are not doing 
> anything. However, limiting the number of assitants of a magistrate is 
> 
> not a good solution, because a magistrate can need *many* assitants. 
> 
 
Yes, that is exactly why I am inputting this in.   And there is an 
appeal clause that magistrates, can draft a petition to the Senate to 
exempt them from the limitations contained therein. 
 
> 
> My solution would be this: let each magistrate decide how many 
> assistants he needs. If a magistrate commited abuse on this issue, 
> well, that can be publicly denounced. A magistrate that does not 
> behave 
> properly will find himself short of votes in the next election. And, 
> if 
> the abuse were flagrant, the Consules or the Tribuni can always veto 
> his appointments. 
> 
 
That hasn't been done.  And, I think most magistrates would be very 
cautious to publicly denounce another magistrate acting in such a way. 
 
> 
> Let's not fall in the mistake of making laws that are too rigid to be 
> of any good. Laws should be as lax and flexible as possible, because 
> laws, unlike computer programs or building structures, have to deal 
> with the complexity of human minds and human relationships. 
> 
 
Its not rigid at all.  Because there is an appeal mechanism inplace.  I 
would completely agree with you if there was not such a method built 
in.  Let the magistrate send a petition to the Senate justifying an 
increase of staff.  I see nothing wrong with that. 
 
Vale, 
 
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 
Consul 
 
> 
> ===== 
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> Gnaeus Salix Astur. 
> Tribunus Plebis 
> Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae 
> Triumvir Academiae Thules 
> Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules 
> Lictor Curiatus. 
> 
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	| Subject: | 
	 Re: [novaroma] Re: Lex Cornelia de suffragiis tribuendis | 
 
	| From: | 
	 Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net> | 
 
	| Date: | 
	 Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:21:02 -0700 | 
 
 | 
Avete Quaestor et Omnes. 
 
Kristoffer From wrote: 
 
>  Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix wrote: 
> > I.  MAGISTRATES ORDINARII (CURRENT/Past Service) 
> > Scriba of a Censor, Praetor, Aedile or Vigintisexviri: (Maximum of 4 
> 
> > scribes) 
> > 
> > IV.  PROVINCIAL POSITIONS 
> > Provincial Legate: (1 individual only) 
> > Praefectus (Regional Administrators) (4 individuals only) 
> > Provincia Scriba: (Up to 6 individuals) 
> > Provincia Sarcerdos (1 individual) 
> > Viatores:  (Up to 6 individuals) 
> 
> Salve, Luci Corneli Sulla Felix. 
> 
> First, I don't see the need for a completely new century point system, 
> 
> even though I'm not satisfied with the current one. A couple of 
> amendments would work just as well, without having to come up with new 
> 
> names for old concepts. The basic structure would be the same, anyway, 
> 
> so keep the old and throw in some new, don't throw out the old and see 
> 
> what new can be fitted into the empty space. 
> 
 
I respectfully disagree, as I posted in my introduction the lex Vedia 
that governed this is not adequate given the amount of growth Nova Roma 
experienced since it was drafted during the Dictatorship of Flavius 
Vedius. 
 
> 
> That said, on to the second, and more important, point: I'm strongly 
> opposed to the limits on supportive/administrative staff. Well, not 
> actual limits, but limits on how many "approved" assistants one may 
> have. Nothing prevents a governor from appointing two legatii or five 
> praefectii, but only one legatus and four praefectii will receive any 
> recognition for their efforts. Why not leave the exact numbers of 
> assistants to the magistrate/governor, as it is now? A governor who 
> abuses the system will not be prorogued by the senate, and a 
> magistrate 
> who does will not receive a second mandate for office. 
> 
 
Because, it has been suggested that such methods are needed.   As you 
are using your provincia as an example I shall also use it.  Your 
provincia has 30 citizens total.  16 of them are titled.  This means 
over 50% of your entire province has some kind of title.  This is 
excessive.  (Yes I am aware there are a couple of citizens who hold 
multiple titles) but given that situation it is overly bureaucratic.  I 
have already spoken with Propraetor Caeso Fabius and together we 
compromised in trying to create a workable plan that wont lead the 
system to be abused, but currently there is no check in preventing a 
governor from appointing every citizen in his province to some position 
or another.  This major loophole must be stopped before we have an 
incident. 
 
> 
> Why would anyone need more than four praefectus? I'll use my own 
> provincia for an example. We are composed of five different 
> macronations, each with their own language and customs, and hence in 
> need of a regional administrator, whom our propraetor has chosen to 
> name 
> as regional legatii. There are, admittedly, not many provinciae 
> composed 
> of so many macronations, but many contain a wide variety of 
> subcultures, 
> each of whom should have the possibility of a contact they can 
> interact 
> with on equal terms. 
> 
 
Please see my above comments.  In the plan I presented there will be 1 
Provincial Legate and 4 Praefectus.  I have explained to Propraetor 
Caeso, that being a second in command (Provincial Legate) would get more 
points because he/she would already be a Praefectus (over a region). 
Also, if a provincia is so wide a variety of subcultures, then there is 
always the option to have the Senate break up the provincia so that it 
would be more manageable, as well as having the Senate grant an 
exemption to increase the staff of the provincia as well. 
 
> 
> My point here is that we cannot know for sure how large the demand is, 
> 
> much less how large it will be at a later point, and should therefore 
> not this severly limit the tools our propraetors have and use to 
> administer their provinciae. 
> 
 
It is for this very reason that I have included the following clause: 
 
The Senate shall have the authority to set limits on the number of 
Provincial officials who receive points.  Until the Senate acts the 
limits shall be those limits stipulated in this law. 
 
> 
> And yes, yes...he CAN appoint more. But how will he explain to the 
> fifth 
> regional praefectus that he won't get any century points/Civil Service 
> 
> Index for his service, while they will? Is this a way to motivate the 
> fifth, and maybe sixth and seventh, regional administrators to render 
> service to Nova Roma? 
 
I have answered this above, if a governor feels he/she needs additional 
staff, he can petition the Senate justifying his need. 
 
> 
> Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed herein are my own, and not in any 
> way 
> connected to my friends, contacts or associates within Nova Roma, nor 
> to 
> any offices which I hold. I have endeavoured to express them in a 
> non-aggressive, constructive way, and have no intentions of offending 
> anyone. If you eat any printouts of this e-mail, I am not responsible 
> if 
> you choke. Rubber gloves are recommended when handling printouts, so 
> as 
> to avoid papercuts. Electric shocks received while digitally viewing 
> this document are not covered by the insurance provided according 
> to...<trails off into undecipherable legal mumbo-jumbo> 
> 
 
I like this disclaimer...can I borrow it.... :) 
 
Vale, 
 
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 
Consul 
 
 
 
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