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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Caligae Romanae
From:	"corvus_cassius_taurusis" <corvus_cassius_taurusis@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:40:21 -0000

To be quite honest I stoped giving Mueseum Replicas any more of my
money. In the past I've ordered too many things from them and I've
found their quality is not for the type of person who actualy use
the equipment. I've yet to get a full season out of the things I've
bought from them before I needed to replace them. Between fabric
giving out rather quickly, rivits snaping, leather breaking or
tearing... I just don't feel it's worth what they are asking. (I'm
not even going to get into the historical accuracy of their roman
gear)
I agree that La Wrens Nest and Albion Armour are great people and
suppliers. I've even visited Albion in person on many occations and
been allowed to hold stock and see items being created in their shops.
Another place to call for roman gear is Nix Imperial Creations.
http://www.niximperial.com/ Any of these three are easy to talk to
and willing to help you in any way they can. I wish that I could say
the same for Museum Replicas.
I wouldn't say I'm bitter from my experances with them but I have more
knowlege now as to what is workable and what is not. They may seem
cheap and easy to get but if you've sat through months of back orders,
or later found better quality things for cheaper, as I have you
wouldn't use them.
For anyone with even a drop of craftyness I'd recomend makeing what
they can for their impression. I've now made my tunic, sandals, belt,
and am much happier with these than those I've spent more money on.
Good Luck with your buys,
Corvus Cassius Taurusis

--- In novaroma@y..., "Christopher Duemmel" <cduemmel@b...> wrote:
> While Museum Replicas is extremely conveniant, I would shy away from
> them...their quality is not all that good. Most of their stuff is
mass
> produced and is lacking in several areas in detail.
>
> Some excellent sources you may wish to look into would be:
>
> Albion Armourers at www.albionarmorers.com. They have excellent
weapons and
> balteus parts.
> La Wren's Nest at http://www.lawrensnest.com. Clothing and
additional
> weapons/gear. Some good, some bad.
> William Stephenson Leather Crafts no website. He has the best
caligae I've
> seen and most of the re-enaction folks tend to agree. His e-mail is
> Uilliam@a...
>
> More sources can be found at Matthew Amt's Legion XX website. URL:
> http://www.larp.com/legioxx/.
>
> Good luck and hope this helped.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julilla Sempronia Magna [mailto:curatrix@v...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:58 PM
> To: novaroma@y...
> Subject: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae
>
>
> I have a recommendation for the well-dressed dominus et domina:
hie
> thyselves to Museum Replicas and type "roman" into their search
box. I
> have
> just received a fine pair of black caligae (2-3 rd Century Roman
Boot as
> they list it) and I believe it's being phased out of their product
> listings,
> though there is another Roman shoe listed.
>
> Price, with shipping included, is $71, and there is a limited
supply of
> black and red shoes. Women need to order one size smaller, and
when I
> ordered last week (during a brief 10% off sale) the smallest sizes
they
> carried were 7.
>
> In addition to footwear, there are tunicae, stolae, and all manner
of
> weaponry, all of excellent make. Some may be priced beyond the
number of
> your sestertii, others may give you ideas of what can be made
yourself, if
> you're crafty. But good footwear is hard to replicate and hard to
come by,
> so try these on for size, and don't forget the Floralia fashion
show
> contest!
>
> Museum Replicas
> www.museumreplicas.com
>
> Floralia Fashion Contest
> http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/floreales/award.htm
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
> Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
> Curatrix Araneae,
> America Boreoccidentalis
> http://ambor.konoko.net
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Caligae Romanae
From:	"Julilla" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:01:24 -0000

Corvus Cassius Taurusis scripsit
<snipped>
> For anyone with even a drop of craftyness I'd recomend makeing what
they can for their impression. I've now made my tunic, sandals, belt,
and am much happier with these than those I've spent more money on.
> Good Luck with your buys,
> Corvus Cassius Taurusis

No argument here, and I make all my own stolae, tunicae, etc, but
caligae are outside my limited expertise, so was happy to find a pair
at a reasonable price.

I just checked La Wren's Nest, which now carries hobnailed caligae,
probably better suited to our honoured military than to we matronae,
as hobnails are quite hard on my hardwood floors.

I certainly encourage cives to visit and patronise La Wren's Nest,
(www.lawrensnest.com), one of our featured tabernae, and by this, we
can encourage an even broader array of products for the privatus and
privata.

Look around, research, shop, ask questions, and as with any other
product, listen to the recommendations of your fellow cives,
and 'caveat emptor!'

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.konoko.net


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Caligae Romanae
From:	"Christopher Duemmel" <cduemmel@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:07:04 -0400

To be quite honest I stoped giving Mueseum Replicas any more of my
money. In the past I've ordered too many things from them and I've
found their quality is not for the type of person who actualy use
the equipment. I've yet to get a full season out of the things I've
bought from them before I needed to replace them. Between fabric
giving out rather quickly, rivits snaping, leather breaking or
tearing... I just don't feel it's worth what they are asking. (I'm
not even going to get into the historical accuracy of their roman
gear)
I agree that La Wrens Nest and Albion Armour are great people and
suppliers. I've even visited Albion in person on many occations and
been allowed to hold stock and see items being created in their shops.
Another place to call for roman gear is Nix Imperial Creations.
http://www.niximperial.com/ Any of these three are easy to talk to
and willing to help you in any way they can. I wish that I could say
the same for Museum Replicas.
I wouldn't say I'm bitter from my experances with them but I have more
knowlege now as to what is workable and what is not. They may seem
cheap and easy to get but if you've sat through months of back orders,
or later found better quality things for cheaper, as I have you
wouldn't use them.
For anyone with even a drop of craftyness I'd recomend makeing what
they can for their impression. I've now made my tunic, sandals, belt,
and am much happier with these than those I've spent more money on.
Good Luck with your buys,
Corvus Cassius Taurusis

[Christopher Duemmel] I can certainly agree with you on that aspect.
It'smuch better to make than to but...in general, it tends to be cheaper.
I've made my tunica, and have all the material for my caligae. I have one
more purchase and then a lot of patience and I'll have completed my Lorica
Segmentata, and the Hamata should be done in about a month or so. I'll jump
on my balteus next, as soon as I can figure out a few manufacturing items. I
find that making your own material is extremely rewarding, as something made
with your own hands is valued more than something purchased.

Vale!

--- In novaroma@y..., "Christopher Duemmel" <cduemmel@b...> wrote:
> While Museum Replicas is extremely conveniant, I would shy away from
> them...their quality is not all that good. Most of their stuff is
mass
> produced and is lacking in several areas in detail.
>
> Some excellent sources you may wish to look into would be:
>
> Albion Armourers at www.albionarmorers.com. They have excellent
weapons and
> balteus parts.
> La Wren's Nest at http://www.lawrensnest.com. Clothing and
additional
> weapons/gear. Some good, some bad.
> William Stephenson Leather Crafts no website. He has the best
caligae I've
> seen and most of the re-enaction folks tend to agree. His e-mail is
> Uilliam@a...
>
> More sources can be found at Matthew Amt's Legion XX website. URL:
> http://www.larp.com/legioxx/.
>
> Good luck and hope this helped.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julilla Sempronia Magna [mailto:curatrix@v...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:58 PM
> To: novaroma@y...
> Subject: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae
>
>
> I have a recommendation for the well-dressed dominus et domina:
hie
> thyselves to Museum Replicas and type "roman" into their search
box. I
> have
> just received a fine pair of black caligae (2-3 rd Century Roman
Boot as
> they list it) and I believe it's being phased out of their product
> listings,
> though there is another Roman shoe listed.
>
> Price, with shipping included, is $71, and there is a limited
supply of
> black and red shoes. Women need to order one size smaller, and
when I
> ordered last week (during a brief 10% off sale) the smallest sizes
they
> carried were 7.
>
> In addition to footwear, there are tunicae, stolae, and all manner
of
> weaponry, all of excellent make. Some may be priced beyond the
number of
> your sestertii, others may give you ideas of what can be made
yourself, if
> you're crafty. But good footwear is hard to replicate and hard to
come by,
> so try these on for size, and don't forget the Floralia fashion
show
> contest!
>
> Museum Replicas
> www.museumreplicas.com
>
> Floralia Fashion Contest
> http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/floreales/award.htm
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
> Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
> Curatrix Araneae,
> America Boreoccidentalis
> http://ambor.konoko.net
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: The Century Points lex
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:40:42 +0200

Salve Illustrus Junior Consul!!

I have been told that even some people who have been elected have not
done their part, for someone who loves titles, but not work, to try
to buy influence seems quite believable. For You who work so hard for
Nova Roma I guess that that is hard to comprehend. ;-)

><SNIP>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:02 PM
>
>
> Salve Pater et Quirites!
>
> The thought that influence would be possible to buy is, I am sorry to
> say both revolting and sad. Revolting as it will open the door to
> those who have money and possibly no love for Rome, sad because the
> figures that may slowly carve a power base to themselves within the
> Res Publica will not have to prove themselves.
>
> Yes, Rome could use more money! So let those who love Rome donate it
> to her without second thoughts, as my assistants have donated their
> work to Rome and as hundreds of Quirites have done!
>
> Avete Omnes,
>
> I just have a question, I guess of logic...but if you have money
>but no love for Rome why would you donate money to Nova Roma. I am
>sorry, but that logic simply doesnt work for me. If I didnt care
>about Nova Roma, I wouldnt be here....getting 200+ emails a day. If
>I didnt care about Nova Roma I wouldnt be investing my time and
>money into NR. The logic that those who have money will just simply
>throw it in NR without any feeling or regard for Her direction does
>not make sense.
>
> Very Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
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PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10


Subject:	[novaroma] Going to Oslo
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:46:01 +0200

Salvete Patres et Conscripti et Quirites!

I am on my way to Oslo to meet with Illustrus Marcus Minucius Audens
and representatives of Legio XV. I just want to apologize to those
who expect answers to mails or who would like to communicate with me,
as I will not be able to answer for a few days!

I will give a short report on issues of interest that we will
discuss, when I come back.
--
Valete

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10


Subject:	[novaroma] FLOREALES FASHION AWARD - 1 day
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:37:02 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

Nova Romans waht matter? Do you not have a roman cloath? Please, if you have
a digital photo about a cloath created by you, send it to the FLOREALES
FASHION AWARD. The subscriptions are open too since tomorrow, April 27.

The Florales Fashion Award is the first contest of cloath in Nova Roma,
organized by the Cohors Aedilis Caeso Fabius Quintilianus.
The regulations are at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/floreales/award.htm

The Award is open to single participants or to groups composed by a maximum
of 5 citizens. Each participant or group of participants can participate
with just _one_ collection (picture) of cloths sending picture in JPG,
GIF, TIFF or BMP.
Each collection must have the following facts about the participant(s): Nova
Roman name, real name, Nova Roman Province age, e-mail address.

KEEP ATTENCTION!!! The deadline to send own picture is April 27, 2002 (2755
a.u.c.), by e-mail
to sacro_barese_impero@libero.it [Franciscus Apulus Caesar] with the subject
"Fashion Award".
The winner shall be announced on the Cohors Aedilis Website - Section
Ludi and at the Nova Roman Main Mailing List at April 30, 2002.

INFORMATIONS:
- Megalesia c/o Cohors Aedilis - Section Ludi:
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi
- Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus: tjalens.h@telia.com
- Quaestor Franciscus Apulus Caesar: sacro_barese_impero@libero.it

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Trip to Rome pics
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:37:16 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete Pompeia Cornelia et Omnes,

> I had a chance to look over the pics today...very
> nice photographs.
> I was particularily drawn to the numbers of cut
> flowers laid at
> Julius Caesar's tomb.

You are most welcome for the pics. It is a real
pleasure to share them. By the way, this is not
Caesar's tomb but the altar on which he got cremated.
This altar stands in Casar's temple.
I will upload the second batch of pics next week.

Valete,

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Acting Praefectus for France

Terrarum dea gentiumque, Roma
Cui par est nihil et nihil secundum.

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Subject:	AW: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae
From:	"solinvictus" <caiustarquitius@gmx.de>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:24:06 +0200

The quality of Albionarmorers is not that high, I think. To get really good
replikas try http://www.hr-replikate.de
Cheers, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christopher Duemmel [mailto:cduemmel@bellsouth.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. April 2002 01:31
An: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: RE: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae

While Museum Replicas is extremely conveniant, I would shy away from
them...their quality is not all that good. Most of their stuff is mass
produced and is lacking in several areas in detail.

Some excellent sources you may wish to look into would be:

Albion Armourers at www.albionarmorers.com. They have excellent weapons and
balteus parts.
La Wren's Nest at http://www.lawrensnest.com. Clothing and additional
weapons/gear. Some good, some bad.
William Stephenson Leather Crafts no website. He has the best caligae I've
seen and most of the re-enaction folks tend to agree. His e-mail is
Uilliam@aol.com.

More sources can be found at Matthew Amt's Legion XX website. URL:
http://www.larp.com/legioxx/.

Good luck and hope this helped.
-----Original Message-----
From: Julilla Sempronia Magna [mailto:curatrix@villaivlilla.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:58 PM
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae

I have a recommendation for the well-dressed dominus et domina: hie
thyselves to Museum Replicas and type "roman" into their search box. I
have
just received a fine pair of black caligae (2-3 rd Century Roman Boot as
they list it) and I believe it's being phased out of their product
listings,
though there is another Roman shoe listed.

Price, with shipping included, is $71, and there is a limited supply of
black and red shoes. Women need to order one size smaller, and when I
ordered last week (during a brief 10% off sale) the smallest sizes they
carried were 7.

In addition to footwear, there are tunicae, stolae, and all manner of
weaponry, all of excellent make. Some may be priced beyond the number of
your sestertii, others may give you ideas of what can be made yourself, if
you're crafty. But good footwear is hard to replicate and hard to come by,
so try these on for size, and don't forget the Floralia fashion show
contest!

Museum Replicas
www.museumreplicas.com

Floralia Fashion Contest
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/floreales/award.htm

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.konoko.net

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Subject:	[novaroma] Century points ?
From:	"gaiuscoriolanus" <jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:35:58 -0000

Slavete

I try to show a different point of view on CP. I don't want to talk
about Sulla's law, but about CP system itself.

I know that it is a kind of heresy against all roman we admire but I
guess that CP based system is not equal and fair.

I don't call for cancelling this system, we all are romans and we all
are respecting mos maiorum in reasonable range (to respect it at any
cost is the same madness as to don't respect it at all).

But would you like to live in such kind of democracy? I would but
only as high magistrate. To be a "common" people means to be a bit
unvalued. Of course unvalued Roman citizen was still king
between "brabrians" in ancient Roma but there are no "barbarians"
around us today. We can not talk about equality when vote of consul
is more than vote of citizen.

And someone (wise I have to admit)has said that Nova Roma is not
about collecting CP. Frankly I haven't red Sulla's proposal and after
all I don't care how much CP I'll get. There is a lot of "roman" how
to ensure that one's law or proposal will be accepted or not and I'm
sure that Sulla knows them too.

AVE ATQVE VALE
GAIVS MARCIVS CORIOLANVS
PATERFAMILIAS GENTIS MARCIAE
PROPRAETOR PANNONIAE


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Century points ?
From:	Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
Date:	26 Apr 2002 10:14:19 -0300

On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 09:35, gaiuscoriolanus wrote:
> Slavete
>
> I try to show a different point of view on CP. I don't want to talk
> about Sulla's law, but about CP system itself.
>
> I know that it is a kind of heresy against all roman we admire but I
> guess that CP based system is not equal and fair.
>
> I don't call for cancelling this system, we all are romans and we all
> are respecting mos maiorum in reasonable range (to respect it at any
> cost is the same madness as to don't respect it at all).
>
> But would you like to live in such kind of democracy? I would but
> only as high magistrate. To be a "common" people means to be a bit
> unvalued. Of course unvalued Roman citizen was still king
> between "brabrians" in ancient Roma but there are no "barbarians"
> around us today. We can not talk about equality when vote of consul
> is more than vote of citizen.
>

The Roman system is not arithmetic democracy, it is a geometric
democracy (for it's democratic part) and it has an oligarchic part: the
senate.

If we want to recreate Rome we have to recreate also its form of
government. And this is also interresting for a test of alternative
forms of goverment in today's democracies.

The geometric factor was, in my opinion, correctly choosen to be
involvment with the conduct of the state and not wealth as it was in
ancient Rome or early modern reconstructions (French Ist republics,...?)

In my opinion a mixed oligarchic/democratic system with arithmetic
democracy would very rapidly lead to a full democracy or a full
oligarchy which in turn would show all the problems such pure systems
had in Ancient Greece.

Turning NR in a representative democracy, while giving a stable form of
government as shown in various modern states, would totally remove its
value as a modern political laboratory and remove its strong links with
the original Rome.

Manius Villius Limitanus

> And someone (wise I have to admit)has said that Nova Roma is not
> about collecting CP. Frankly I haven't red Sulla's proposal and after
> all I don't care how much CP I'll get. There is a lot of "roman" how
> to ensure that one's law or proposal will be accepted or not and I'm
> sure that Sulla knows them too.
>
>
> AVE ATQVE VALE
> GAIVS MARCIVS CORIOLANVS
> PATERFAMILIAS GENTIS MARCIAE
> PROPRAETOR PANNONIAE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae
From:	"Christopher Duemmel" <cduemmel@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:46:12 -0400

A reference for other cloothing syles and ideas, including footwear, can be
found here:

http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing.html
-----Original Message-----
From: solinvictus [mailto:caiustarquitius@gmx.de]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 8:24 AM
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AW: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae

The quality of Albionarmorers is not that high, I think. To get really
good
replikas try http://www.hr-replikate.de
Cheers, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christopher Duemmel [mailto:cduemmel@bellsouth.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. April 2002 01:31
An: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: RE: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae

While Museum Replicas is extremely conveniant, I would shy away from
them...their quality is not all that good. Most of their stuff is mass
produced and is lacking in several areas in detail.

Some excellent sources you may wish to look into would be:

Albion Armourers at www.albionarmorers.com. They have excellent weapons
and
balteus parts.
La Wren's Nest at http://www.lawrensnest.com. Clothing and additional
weapons/gear. Some good, some bad.
William Stephenson Leather Crafts no website. He has the best caligae I've
seen and most of the re-enaction folks tend to agree. His e-mail is
Uilliam@aol.com.

More sources can be found at Matthew Amt's Legion XX website. URL:
http://www.larp.com/legioxx/.

Good luck and hope this helped.
-----Original Message-----
From: Julilla Sempronia Magna [mailto:curatrix@villaivlilla.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:58 PM
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae

I have a recommendation for the well-dressed dominus et domina: hie
thyselves to Museum Replicas and type "roman" into their search box. I
have
just received a fine pair of black caligae (2-3 rd Century Roman Boot as
they list it) and I believe it's being phased out of their product
listings,
though there is another Roman shoe listed.

Price, with shipping included, is $71, and there is a limited supply of
black and red shoes. Women need to order one size smaller, and when I
ordered last week (during a brief 10% off sale) the smallest sizes they
carried were 7.

In addition to footwear, there are tunicae, stolae, and all manner of
weaponry, all of excellent make. Some may be priced beyond the number of
your sestertii, others may give you ideas of what can be made yourself,
if
you're crafty. But good footwear is hard to replicate and hard to come
by,
so try these on for size, and don't forget the Floralia fashion show
contest!

Museum Replicas
www.museumreplicas.com

Floralia Fashion Contest
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/floreales/award.htm

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae
From:	"Christopher Duemmel" <cduemmel@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:46:12 -0400

That depends on what you are looking for.

Their swords are pretty much second to none, however they do stock some
Deepeka materials. I'm not sure about caligae, but I'm pretty sure that
theirs is Deepeka, that's why I mentioned Williams Stephensen's. While his
caligae are miliraty, his is a custom leathercrafter and can probably make
something more appropriate to the civies.
-----Original Message-----
From: solinvictus [mailto:caiustarquitius@gmx.de]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 8:24 AM
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AW: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae

The quality of Albionarmorers is not that high, I think. To get really
good
replikas try http://www.hr-replikate.de
Cheers, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christopher Duemmel [mailto:cduemmel@bellsouth.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. April 2002 01:31
An: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: RE: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae

While Museum Replicas is extremely conveniant, I would shy away from
them...their quality is not all that good. Most of their stuff is mass
produced and is lacking in several areas in detail.

Some excellent sources you may wish to look into would be:

Albion Armourers at www.albionarmorers.com. They have excellent weapons
and
balteus parts.
La Wren's Nest at http://www.lawrensnest.com. Clothing and additional
weapons/gear. Some good, some bad.
William Stephenson Leather Crafts no website. He has the best caligae I've
seen and most of the re-enaction folks tend to agree. His e-mail is
Uilliam@aol.com.

More sources can be found at Matthew Amt's Legion XX website. URL:
http://www.larp.com/legioxx/.

Good luck and hope this helped.
-----Original Message-----
From: Julilla Sempronia Magna [mailto:curatrix@villaivlilla.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:58 PM
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [novaroma] Caligae Romanae

I have a recommendation for the well-dressed dominus et domina: hie
thyselves to Museum Replicas and type "roman" into their search box. I
have
just received a fine pair of black caligae (2-3 rd Century Roman Boot as
they list it) and I believe it's being phased out of their product
listings,
though there is another Roman shoe listed.

Price, with shipping included, is $71, and there is a limited supply of
black and red shoes. Women need to order one size smaller, and when I
ordered last week (during a brief 10% off sale) the smallest sizes they
carried were 7.

In addition to footwear, there are tunicae, stolae, and all manner of
weaponry, all of excellent make. Some may be priced beyond the number of
your sestertii, others may give you ideas of what can be made yourself,
if
you're crafty. But good footwear is hard to replicate and hard to come
by,
so try these on for size, and don't forget the Floralia fashion show
contest!

Museum Replicas
www.museumreplicas.com

Floralia Fashion Contest
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/floreales/award.htm

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re:
From:	Terry Wilson <pudens656@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:57:38 -0700 (PDT)

"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:02 PM

Salve Pater et Quirites!

The thought that influence would be possible to buy is, I am sorry to
say both revolting and sad. Revolting as it will open the door to
those who have money and possibly no love for Rome, sad because the
figures that may slowly carve a power base to themselves within the
Res Publica will not have to prove themselves.

Yes, Rome could use more money! So let those who love Rome donate it
to her without second thoughts, as my assistants have donated their
work to Rome and as hundreds of Quirites have done!

Avete Omnes,

I just have a question, I guess of logic...but if you have money but no love for Rome why would you donate money to Nova Roma. I am sorry, but that logic simply doesnt work for me. If I didnt care about Nova Roma, I wouldnt be here....getting 200+ emails a day. If I didnt care about Nova Roma I wouldnt be investing my time and money into NR. The logic that those who have money will just simply throw it in NR without any feeling or regard for Her direction does not make sense.

Very Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Avete,

I really don't think the question is, will those with no love for Rome bother to donate money, thereby buying influence. Rather it is, will those with no love for work substitute money for time and labor and still be able to advance in influence.

Perhaps the solution is to allow such persons to use their money to increase their power and influence, if and only if those who give of their time and hard work (not just their pocketbooks) advance as well. If you award century points (or whatever you want to call them) to all citizens who participate in any official capacity, then I believe objections to points awarded for financial contributions only would be limited. But, as I read the law as it now exists, that is not the case. The proposed law, which would have addressed some of these problems is now withdrawn. Perhaps a new law should be proposed that incorporates both ideas.

Without doubt there are those who are generous now with their time and work and with their money. Citizens such as that should absolutely be accorded honor and rewarded with influence and power. My only concern is that equity prevails in our social and political systems.

With great respect,

Gaius Cornelius Pudens

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: FLOREALES FASHION AWARD - 1 day
From:	"roweena13" <roweena13@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:14:06 -0000

---Will everyone be able to see the entries of the fashion contest?
Lvia

In novaroma@y..., "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Nova Romans waht matter? Do you not have a roman cloath? Please, if
you have
> a digital photo about a cloath created by you, send it to the
FLOREALES
> FASHION AWARD. The subscriptions are open too since tomorrow, April
27.
>
> The Florales Fashion Award is the first contest of cloath in Nova
Roma,
> organized by the Cohors Aedilis Caeso Fabius Quintilianus.
> The regulations are at
> http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/floreales/award.htm
>
> The Award is open to single participants or to groups composed by a
maximum
> of 5 citizens. Each participant or group of participants can
participate
> with just _one_ collection (picture) of cloths sending picture in
JPG,
> GIF, TIFF or BMP.
> Each collection must have the following facts about the participant
(s): Nova
> Roman name, real name, Nova Roman Province age, e-mail address.
>
> KEEP ATTENCTION!!! The deadline to send own picture is April 27,
2002 (2755
> a.u.c.), by e-mail
> to sacro_barese_impero@l... [Franciscus Apulus Caesar] with the
subject
> "Fashion Award".
> The winner shall be announced on the Cohors Aedilis Website -
Section
> Ludi and at the Nova Roman Main Mailing List at April 30, 2002.
>
> INFORMATIONS:
> - Megalesia c/o Cohors Aedilis - Section Ludi:
> http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi
> - Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus: tjalens.h@t...
> - Quaestor Franciscus Apulus Caesar: sacro_barese_impero@l...
>
> Valete
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> -------------------------------------------
> Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
> Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
> Scriba Curatoris Araneum
> -------------------------------------------
> Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
> Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
> Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
> http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
> Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	[novaroma] Re:
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:12:42 -0700

gaiuscoriolanus wrote:

> Slavete
>
> I try to show a different point of view on CP. I don't want to talk
> about Sulla's law, but about CP system itself.
>
> I know that it is a kind of heresy against all roman we admire but I
> guess that CP based system is not equal and fair.
>

It is not supposed to be equal and fair. We are supposed to be
reconstruction and reimplementing as much of ancient Roman Procedures as
possible. This is one of the main reasons I am here, and one of the
reasons I ran for Consul. To try to bring us closer to the ancients.

>
> I don't call for cancelling this system, we all are romans and we all
> are respecting mos maiorum in reasonable range (to respect it at any
> cost is the same madness as to don't respect it at all).
>

Your reasonable range must be allot narrower than mine. When I try to
promulgate a law I always first think, is this law consistent with the
ancients? If it isn't, then I do not promulgate it.

>
> But would you like to live in such kind of democracy? I would but
> only as high magistrate. To be a "common" people means to be a bit
> unvalued. Of course unvalued Roman citizen was still king
> between "brabrians" in ancient Roma but there are no "barbarians"
> around us today. We can not talk about equality when vote of consul
> is more than vote of citizen.
>

Oh not a question of democracy again...havent we gone through this
enough? Nova Roma should not reform and sanitize itself to make her
more palatable for the 20th and 21st century, since this is basically
what you are asking, Gaius Marcius.

>
> And someone (wise I have to admit)has said that Nova Roma is not
> about collecting CP.

That was Senator Q. Fabius Maximus, and I agree with him.

> Frankly I haven't red Sulla's proposal and after
> all I don't care how much CP I'll get. There is a lot of "roman" how
> to ensure that one's law or proposal will be accepted or not and I'm
> sure that Sulla knows them too.
>

Of course I know that. Others and myself wrote the law so that those
citizens who are in the 5th, 4th and 3rd class would have an opportunity
to climb up the Comitia Centuriata. Those of us in the 1st class, in
reality, do not derive any benefit from loosening the standards of the
Comitia Centuriata. And, after all of the controversy from a few
governors, I decided trying to promulgate that law was simply not worth
the effort.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re:
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:14:15 -0700

Avete Omnes,

Then maybe we should adopt a system that allows both participation
through hard work...and monetary as well. That would be the most
equitable system that would give Nova Roma the resources in both
individual effort and financial resources.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul

Terry Wilson wrote:

>
>
> "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> wrote:
> <SNIP>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:02 PM
>
>
> Salve Pater et Quirites!
>
> The thought that influence would be possible to buy is, I am sorry
> to
> say both revolting and sad. Revolting as it will open the door to
> those who have money and possibly no love for Rome, sad because the
> figures that may slowly carve a power base to themselves within the
> Res Publica will not have to prove themselves.
>
> Yes, Rome could use more money! So let those who love Rome donate it
>
> to her without second thoughts, as my assistants have donated their
> work to Rome and as hundreds of Quirites have done!
>
> Avete Omnes,
>
> I just have a question, I guess of logic...but if you have money but
> no love for Rome why would you donate money to Nova Roma. I am sorry,
> but that logic simply doesnt work for me. If I didnt care about Nova
> Roma, I wouldnt be here....getting 200+ emails a day. If I didnt care
> about Nova Roma I wouldnt be investing my time and money into NR. The
> logic that those who have money will just simply throw it in NR
> without any feeling or regard for Her direction does not make sense.
>
> Very Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> Avete,
>
> I really don't think the question is, will those with no love for Rome
> bother to donate money, thereby buying influence. Rather it is, will
> those with no love for work substitute money for time and labor and
> still be able to advance in influence.
>
> Perhaps the solution is to allow such persons to use their money to
> increase their power and influence, if and only if those who give of
> their time and hard work (not just their pocketbooks) advance as
> well. If you award century points (or whatever you want to call them)
> to all citizens who participate in any official capacity, then I
> believe objections to points awarded for financial contributions only
> would be limited. But, as I read the law as it now exists, that is
> not the case. The proposed law, which would have addressed some of
> these problems is now withdrawn. Perhaps a new law should be proposed
> that incorporates both ideas.
>
> Without doubt there are those who are generous now with their time and
> work and with their money. Citizens such as that should absolutely be
> accorded honor and rewarded with influence and power. My only concern
> is that equity prevails in our social and political systems.
>
> With great respect,
>
> Gaius Cornelius Pudens
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re:
From:	Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
Date:	26 Apr 2002 13:17:10 -0300

On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 13:12, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix wrote:
>
>
> gaiuscoriolanus wrote:
>
> > Slavete
> >
> > I try to show a different point of view on CP. I don't want to talk
> > about Sulla's law, but about CP system itself.
> >
> > I know that it is a kind of heresy against all roman we admire but I
> > guess that CP based system is not equal and fair.
> >
>
> It is not supposed to be equal and fair. We are supposed to be
> reconstruction and reimplementing as much of ancient Roman Procedures as
> possible. This is one of the main reasons I am here, and one of the
> reasons I ran for Consul. To try to bring us closer to the ancients.
>
> >
> > I don't call for cancelling this system, we all are romans and we all
> > are respecting mos maiorum in reasonable range (to respect it at any
> > cost is the same madness as to don't respect it at all).
> >
>
> Your reasonable range must be allot narrower than mine. When I try to
> promulgate a law I always first think, is this law consistent with the
> ancients? If it isn't, then I do not promulgate it.
>
Dear Consul,

you don't promulgate laws, you propose them to the people
who can freely choose to promulgate it or not.

Manius Villius Limitanus

> >
> > But would you like to live in such kind of democracy? I would but
> > only as high magistrate. To be a "common" people means to be a bit
> > unvalued. Of course unvalued Roman citizen was still king
> > between "brabrians" in ancient Roma but there are no "barbarians"
> > around us today. We can not talk about equality when vote of consul
> > is more than vote of citizen.
> >
>
> Oh not a question of democracy again...havent we gone through this
> enough? Nova Roma should not reform and sanitize itself to make her
> more palatable for the 20th and 21st century, since this is basically
> what you are asking, Gaius Marcius.
>
> >
> > And someone (wise I have to admit)has said that Nova Roma is not
> > about collecting CP.
>
> That was Senator Q. Fabius Maximus, and I agree with him.
>
> > Frankly I haven't red Sulla's proposal and after
> > all I don't care how much CP I'll get. There is a lot of "roman" how
> > to ensure that one's law or proposal will be accepted or not and I'm
> > sure that Sulla knows them too.
> >
>
> Of course I know that. Others and myself wrote the law so that those
> citizens who are in the 5th, 4th and 3rd class would have an opportunity
> to climb up the Comitia Centuriata. Those of us in the 1st class, in
> reality, do not derive any benefit from loosening the standards of the
> Comitia Centuriata. And, after all of the controversy from a few
> governors, I decided trying to promulgate that law was simply not worth
> the effort.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Consul
>
> >
> >
> > AVE ATQVE VALE
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re:
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:21:52 -0000

Limitanus {to Sulla} <<...you don't promulgate laws, you propose them
to the people who can freely choose to promulgate it or not.>>

Merriam Websters Online Dictionary
PROMULGATE
1 : to make known by open declaration : PROCLAIM
2 a : to make known or public the terms of (a proposed law)
b : to put (a law) into action or force

Since Consuls have the power to issue edicta {1} and since Sulla
presented the terms of this proposed law to "the people" {2a} it
would seem Consuls do promulgate laws.

Gaius Cassius Nerva


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: The Century Points lex
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:37:34 EDT

In a message dated 4/26/02 2:40:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tjalens.h@telia.com writes:

> I have been told that even some people who have been elected have not
> done their part, for someone who loves titles, but not work, to try
> to buy influence seems quite believable. For You who work so hard for
> Nova Roma I guess that that is hard to comprehend. ;-)
>
>

Salvete!
Again, I say, nobody would be buying titles. The best they could aspire for
would be "second class" citizenship, which if they wanted to stand for an
office such as Quaestor, or Aedile, if elected might vault them into the
"first class." But the people would have to elect them to such an office,
all the sestercii in the world couldn't buy it for them.
Valete

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Caligae Romanae
From:	"corvus_cassius_taurusis" <corvus_cassius_taurusis@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:44:02 -0000

>>>Their swords are pretty much second to none, however they do stock
some
>>> Deepeka materials. I'm not sure about caligae, but I'm pretty sure
that
>>> theirs is Deepeka,

> >
> > The quality of Albionarmorers is not that high, I think.
> >

Albion does carry Deepeeka as well as Del Tin swords. I have held and
used swords from more manufactures than I can count any more. In my
not so humble opinion the ones the Albion makes themselves are by far
the best there is. They are extreamly light weight and durable. Well
ballanced and hold a shavable edge if you want it sharpened. I have
watched them bulding the swords from rough steel to the finest sword
original or reproduction that I have ever held. If you havn't held
one of the Albion Mark swords you can have little idea what it is
really like to have a sword become a true part of you arm. I'm more
than impressed and I have become hard to impress over the years.

I'm not impuning other sword makers. Deepeeka's ok and Del Tin's
great but The Albion Mark is incredable.


Subject:	[novaroma] Re:
From:	"otto_von_sitter" <otto_von_sitter@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:11:40 -0000

Ok, I just thought I should put my two cents in since everbody
else is. :-) I freely admit that all I know about this topic is of what I
read in this post, so please don't be offended if I get a few things
wrong.

>From what I have learned of the system that we currently use as
compared to what I have learned about the system the ancients
used, NR's version is much more fair. I keep hearing all this talk
about how you get so many voting points and how that is unfair,
but I think it is very fair. From my understanding, you get more
points the longer you have been a citizen and the more civic duty
you perform. Isn't that reasonable?

In the system that ancients used, or at least in the later Republic,
there were two Comitas: the Centuriata (sp) and the Tribuna
(sp). The Centuriata was only for those in the Legions and the
officers' votes counted for more thanthe common footsoldier's.
So it was basically based on rank. The Tribuna was all the other
free men and it had all of them divided into tribes, Urban tribes
for those that lived within the walls of Rome, and Rural tribes for
all the rest of Latium. The problem with this was that certain
corrupt Senators only had to convince a few rural citizens in order
to outvote all the urban tribes. Even if all however many in the
urban tribes got together, they still only had one vote per tribe.
So the rural tribes were more powerful in that they didn't have to
have as many per tribe and they still got their one vote. There
were also many more rural tribes than urban, so it was easy for
the rural tribes to outvote the urban tribes.

>From what I understand of NR's Comitia system, they are kind of
mixed, keeping the idea of tribes and centuries. Someone
please correct me if I'm wrong. Even though our system isn't
"perfection" it is much more fair than the ancient one. Another
thing is, NR is not intended to be a utopia, it was meant to try and
revive the ancient Roman culture. Part of that is trying to replicate
their governmental system, but with modern cencessions.
Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong on these points. The
system the ancients had would never work with so few people
because they were strictly Plebians and Patricians. Even if a
Plebian became more rich than some Patricians, he could never
become a Patricians and thus could never sit on the Senate or
really aver get a position of substantial power. From what I
understand, though I don't know the specifics, can't a Plebian
become a Patrician in NR through some process? Another way
that we are much more far than the ancient system is that
women would have never been able to hold the positions that
they do in NR. Women were treated almost as badly as the
slaves as far as their rights went.

So, whenever someone wants to whine about how unfair the
system is, just remember that NR's system isn't MEANT to be
perfect, but it is still better than the system it closely follows.

PS - Something my History Professor said today in lecture:
"Whining is very un- Roman, that was something the Greeks
did." He was discussing the Roman Virtues and I think when he
said that he was talking about SEVERITAS and how the Romans
always tried to be serious.

--- In novaroma@y..., Michel Loos <loos@q...> wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 13:12, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
wrote:
> >
> >
> > gaiuscoriolanus wrote:
> >
> > > Slavete
> > >
> > > I try to show a different point of view on CP. I don't want to
talk
> > > about Sulla's law, but about CP system itself.
> > >
> > > I know that it is a kind of heresy against all roman we
admire but I
> > > guess that CP based system is not equal and fair.
> > >
> >
> > It is not supposed to be equal and fair. We are supposed to
be
> > reconstruction and reimplementing as much of ancient
Roman Procedures as
> > possible. This is one of the main reasons I am here, and
one of the
> > reasons I ran for Consul. To try to bring us closer to the
ancients.
> >
> > >
> > > I don't call for cancelling this system, we all are romans
and we all
> > > are respecting mos maiorum in reasonable range (to
respect it at any
> > > cost is the same madness as to don't respect it at all).
> > >
> >
> > Your reasonable range must be allot narrower than mine.
When I try to
> > promulgate a law I always first think, is this law consistent
with the
> > ancients? If it isn't, then I do not promulgate it.
> >
> Dear Consul,
>
> you don't promulgate laws, you propose them to the people
> who can freely choose to promulgate it or not.
>
> Manius Villius Limitanus
>
> > >
> > > But would you like to live in such kind of democracy? I
would but
> > > only as high magistrate. To be a "common" people means
to be a bit
> > > unvalued. Of course unvalued Roman citizen was still king
> > > between "brabrians" in ancient Roma but there are no
"barbarians"
> > > around us today. We can not talk about equality when vote
of consul
> > > is more than vote of citizen.
> > >
> >
> > Oh not a question of democracy again...havent we gone
through this
> > enough? Nova Roma should not reform and sanitize itself to
make her
> > more palatable for the 20th and 21st century, since this is
basically
> > what you are asking, Gaius Marcius.
> >
> > >
> > > And someone (wise I have to admit)has said that Nova
Roma is not
> > > about collecting CP.
> >
> > That was Senator Q. Fabius Maximus, and I agree with him.
> >
> > > Frankly I haven't red Sulla's proposal and after
> > > all I don't care how much CP I'll get. There is a lot of
"roman" how
> > > to ensure that one's law or proposal will be accepted or not
and I'm
> > > sure that Sulla knows them too.
> > >
> >
> > Of course I know that. Others and myself wrote the law so
that those
> > citizens who are in the 5th, 4th and 3rd class would have an
opportunity
> > to climb up the Comitia Centuriata. Those of us in the 1st
class, in
> > reality, do not derive any benefit from loosening the
standards of the
> > Comitia Centuriata. And, after all of the controversy from a
few
> > governors, I decided trying to promulgate that law was simply
not worth
> > the effort.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > Consul
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > AVE ATQVE VALE
> > > GAIVS MARCIVS CORIOLANVS
> > > PATERFAMILIAS GENTIS MARCIAE
> > > PROPRAETOR PANNONIAE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: FLOREALES FASHION AWARD - 1 day
From:	"fraelov" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:07:25 -0000

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Livia S.P.D.

> ---Will everyone be able to see the entries of the fashion contest?

Of course, all the pictures will be published in the website of the
Cohors Aedilis Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
Unlucky now we haven't received works running in the Award.
Please Nova Romans, send tehir.

Valete
F.A.C.

>
>
>
>
> In novaroma@y..., "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
> <sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> > Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
> >
> > Nova Romans waht matter? Do you not have a roman cloath? Please,
if
> you have
> > a digital photo about a cloath created by you, send it to the
> FLOREALES
> > FASHION AWARD. The subscriptions are open too since tomorrow,
April
> 27.
> >
> > The Florales Fashion Award is the first contest of cloath in Nova
> Roma,
> > organized by the Cohors Aedilis Caeso Fabius Quintilianus.
> > The regulations are at
> > http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/floreales/award.htm
> >
> > The Award is open to single participants or to groups composed by
a
> maximum
> > of 5 citizens. Each participant or group of participants can
> participate
> > with just _one_ collection (picture) of cloths sending picture in
> JPG,
> > GIF, TIFF or BMP.
> > Each collection must have the following facts about the
participant
> (s): Nova
> > Roman name, real name, Nova Roman Province age, e-mail address.
> >
> > KEEP ATTENCTION!!! The deadline to send own picture is April 27,
> 2002 (2755
> > a.u.c.), by e-mail
> > to sacro_barese_impero@l... [Franciscus Apulus Caesar] with the
> subject
> > "Fashion Award".
> > The winner shall be announced on the Cohors Aedilis Website -
> Section
> > Ludi and at the Nova Roman Main Mailing List at April 30, 2002.
> >
> > INFORMATIONS:
> > - Megalesia c/o Cohors Aedilis - Section Ludi:
> > http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi
> > - Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius Quintilianus: tjalens.h@t...
> > - Quaestor Franciscus Apulus Caesar: sacro_barese_impero@l...
> >
> > Valete
> > Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> > -------------------------------------------
> > Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
> > Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
> > Scriba Curatoris Araneum
> > -------------------------------------------
> > Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
> > Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
> > Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
> > http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
> > Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	[novaroma] Unavailability
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:34:28 -0700

Avete Omnes,

I will be unavailable beginning tonight, I will be out of town till
Wednesday.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix