Subject:	[novaroma] Fwd: Ceremony for Temple of Religio Romana
From:	AntoniaCorneliaOctavia <europamoon7@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 14 May 2002 20:22:57 -0700 (PDT)

--- Romancivis@aol.com wrote:
> From: Romancivis@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 23:16:45 EDT
> Subject: Ceremony for Temple of Religio Romana
> To: europamoon7@yahoo.com
>
>                                          
Avete Omnes!
>
> Just a reminder that the next ceremony for the
> Temple of Religio Romana will be this Sunday, May
19 at 1:00 p.m. in Tustin, Ca.
>
> The month of May is sacred to Maia, Goddess who is
> often associated with the
> Earth-Goddess Terra.  Maia is also the Mother of
> Mercury, God of trade,
> abundance and commerce and son to Jupiter, King of
> the Gods.
>
> In the ancient world May was the month for
> celebrating spirituality,fertility and sexuality of

the earth, humans, and animals.  These were seen
> as one and were honored jointly.  
>
> Topics of discussion will include:
>
> Jupiter, King of the Gods and God of the sky, moon,
> winds, rain and thunder. Jupiter is a most
enigmatic and charismatic God and was part of the
> cornerstone of the Religio Romana.  This will begin
> a series of discussions on the Dii Consentes, a
group of twelve Gods especially honored by the
> Romans.
>
> The Virtue Auctoritas: "Spiritual Authority"  and
> the sense of one's social standing, built up
through experience, duty and hard work.  The Roman
to be discussed in accordance with this virtue is
Marcus Aurelius: Emperor and Philosopher.  We will
be discussing his determination in achieving and
> maintaining spritual and ethical responsiblity
> towards himself, the Roman Empire and the Gods.
>
> Divination, as discussed by Cicero in his book De
> divinatione "On Divination." We will be discussing
some of Cicero's thoughts on this subject.
>
> Anyone who is interested in the ancient Roman
> culture or in ancient cultures is encouraged to join

us in this informal setting as we all share and
learn from one another.
>
> A Roman style lunch and drinks will be included.
>
> Pax donation
>
> Directions are as follows: 5 freeway to Tustin Ranch
> Road, exit and head
> south. Go down to the first light (Walnut) and make
> another right. Go to the
> first street (Raintree) and make another right. Go
> all the way down towards
> the end of the street and you will see Fuschia on
> the right hand side. Go
> into parking lot and park in guest parking. If no
> guest parking spots are
> available there is parking on the street which is
> very close to my unit. You
> will see my unit from the parking lot and I will
> have a sign posted on the
> gate.
>
> Temple phone line is 714/734-6616 if you need
> further information or email romancivis@aol.com.
>
> I hope to see you!
>
> Pax Deorum
>
> Antonia Octavia
> President: Board of Directors
> Temple of Religio Romana
>
> "A God, a Goddess resides within each of us.  When
> the spirit arouses us, we
> radiate with an inner glow-an aura.  It is this
> sacred spirit that plants the
> seeds of all we are and all we do.  This sacred
> spirit is our inspiration"  
> Ovid Fasti 6.3
>
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Legio XIV
From:	"artoriusp" <rabotnik@wp.pl>
Date:	Tue, 14 May 2002 20:29:25 -0000

Salve!
thank you so much for your help and good words
Vale!
Petrus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] CPT Item III: Census
From:	"Marcus Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@bigpond.com>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 05:54:42 +1000

Consul,

While that goal is a worthy one, several provisions in the law are at odds
with that.

The idea of someone not being contactable, and then being struck off makes
sense. But if they subsequently surface, there is provision for the Censors
decision to *not* reinstate them to be appealed. That implies that the
Censors have some kind of freedom to decide if the citizen has resurfaced or
not. That strikes me as a bit silly.

And if a citizen is out of communications for 90 days beyond the census,
their email saying "Hey, I'm here" cannot be accepted??? Beyond that, what
happens? If I write in and say "Oh, I was out of contact for a year. But I'm
back now", will I be rejected? Not reinstated as a citizen? Have to reapply?

A similar situation occurred with the taxation legislation - pay by this
date or you gain a status that limits you for the coming year. While it is
good for encouraging people to pay, it creates the absurdity that citizens
who wish to pay after the due date cannot.

The remainder of the proposed rule, Sulla, is creditable. It is the later
paragraghs about citizens that we cannot locate that brings the whole thing
undone by making it look a bit silly.

Marcus Flavius Aurelius
Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
marcus.flavius@bigpond.com
ICQ: 4895187

Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur



----- Original Message -----
From: "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
To: <novaroma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] CPT Item III: Census


> Ave,
>
> This has been discussed last month, actually. :) But the answer is
quite simple. We have 1200+ citizens of Nova Roma and most of them are not
around. This Census will serve the two fold purpose of contacting our
citizens and confirming their contact information and reacquainting them
back into Nova Roma.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Consul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marcus Flavius Aurelius
> To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] CPT Item III: Census
>
>
> Why?
>
> Marcus Flavius Aurelius
> Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
> marcus.flavius@bigpond.com
> ICQ: 4895187
>
> Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Haase" <haase@konoko.net>
> To: <novaroma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:39 AM
> Subject: [novaroma] CPT Item III: Census
>
>
>
> Item III:
>
> Pursuant to the Constitution of Nova Roma (II.A. 4 and IV.A.1.b) the
> following law is hereby enacted to determine the accurate numbers of
> citizens who make up Nova Roma.
>
> I. A Census of all citizens of Nova Roma should be done every 2 years.
> This would be the responsibility of the Censors.
>
> II. The Nova Roma Census will last for a period of 8 weeks, and must be
> completed by the Ides of September. The start and end of the census
period
> will be announced by the Censors on the NR website, official lists, and
in
> the major forums. The official lists are currently located at
> novaroma@yahoogroups.com and NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com.
> Notification must also be published on the Nova Roma Message board.
>
> III. The Census will consist of the following:
>
> A. Active citizens are those citizens that do not need to be contacted
by
> the Censors to determine if they are apart of Nova Roma:
>
> 1. Those citizens who voted in the main election (in December) shall be
> considered "censi."
> 2. Those citizens who have paid taxes for the current calendar year
shall
> be considered "censi".
> 3. Paterfamiliae who have successfully responded to the yearly
registration
> of the Lex Cornelia de Tabulis Gentium Novaromanarum Agendis shall be
> considered "censi".
> 4. Persons who became citizens during the current calendar year shall
be
> considered "censi".
>
> IV. Inactive citizens are those citizens who fail to meet at least one
of
> the conditions in IV A. The following will lay down some of the
procedures
> to contact inactive citizens. Inactive citizens are those citizens who
will
> need to be contacted by the National Census. The following methods will
be
> used to contact inactive citizens:
>
> A. Bulk Email. At least two attempts should be done to contact
citizen
> via this avenue.
>
> B. Individual email. If a Citizen email bounces back as invalid from
the
> bulk email, the Censors shall send them an individual email to verify
there
> was not a problem with an email service filter.
>
> C. Phone calls. If a Citizen is unreachable due to an invalid
email
> address, the Censors shall attempt to contact them by phone. This may be
> done on the Provincial level under the direction of the Censors if
possible.
>
> D. Surface mail. "Inactive" Citizens who are unreachable by email
or
> phone shall receive a mailing from the Censors. This may also be done on
the
> Provincial level if possible. Surface mail information should be
forwarded
> to whatever official NR address is specified by the
> Censors. Surface mail information must reach the Censors before the
Ides
> of September.
>
> The Current Official address of all Nova Roman Mail correspondence is:
>
> Nova Roma
> P.O. Box 1897
> Wells, ME 04090
>
> At the time of the passage of this lex, the above address is the
official
> address, if the official address changes in the future; the new address
> should be utilized.
>
> E. A temporary banner and link will be put on the main NR website for
the
> duration of the Census, where individual citizens may input their
> information to comply with the Census.
>
> V. All communicated information pertaining to the Census shall be noted
in
> a database on the Nova Roma Website, the address of which will be
specified
> by the Censores at the beginning of the Registration Period. Citizen
> information may be inputted into this database by the Censores, their
> appointed assistants, or by the individual citizens.
>
> VI. By the Ides of August, the Censors should post a list to the
official
> email list of Nova Roma displaying the names of those citizens who have
> failed to respond.
>
> VII. If a citizen fails to respond to the contact attempts, that person
> will no longer be considered a citizen of Nova Roma. His name will be
> stricken from the Album Civium and if he/she is a Pater/Mater, the
Censors
> will abide by the Constitution, any laws, and any Censorial edict if the
> appointment of a paterfamilias is necessary. However, the Censors have
the
> discretion to waive this clause if both Censors feel there are
legitimate
> reasons for the citizen to remain incommunicado.
>
> VIII. If a citizen who knows of an extended period of unavailability
that
> will coincide with the census, he may contact the censors up to 3 months
> before the census is to begin to inform them of his active status and
his
> desire to be counted in the census. Such contact will be considered by
the
> censors as having fulfilled the citizen's duty to reply during the
census
> period. Proxies are not permitted during the National Census effort.
>
> IX. A former citizen may appeal to the Senate to have his removal from
the
> Album Civium reconsidered. Such an appeal must be filed with the consuls
> within 90 days of the former citizens removal from the Album Civium. A
> 2/3rds vote of the Senate is needed to overturn the decision of the
censors.
>
> X. A budget is to be provided for the Censors' Office to offset costs
for
> conducting the census. This budget is to be included only for the years
that
> a Census takes place. The amount to be set aside would be established
by
> the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> XI. The First Census will take place during the Consulship of Marcus
> Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (2755 AUC).
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] CPT Item I: Quaestor
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 14 May 2002 20:51:59 EDT

Salvete Quirites,

I must take this opportunity to apologize to all citizens for declaring for
candidacy for the upcoming election of Quaestor. As the Honorable Gnaeus
Salix Astur has pointed out, and rightfully so, I am a relatively new citizen
and was not aware of the requirement he mentions. Therefore, since I do not
legally qualify as a candidate according to the Lex Vedia de Curso Honorum, I
hereby publicly withdraw my declaration as a candidate.

I apologize again for any inconvenience and/or embarassment caused any cives
for this premature gesture. My only intention was to try to serve Nova Roma.

I thank Gnaeus Salix Astur for the congenial manner in which he phrased his
email. I totally agree with his observation "lex dura, sed lex". You can
rest assured I will profit by this experience.

Valete,

Gaius Lanius Falco
Scriba Propraetoris Nova Britannia
Paterfamilias Gens Lania


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: CPT Item I: Quaestor
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 03:32:38 -0000

---Salvete Gai Lani et alii:

I do not feel there is a need to apologize :) You were obviously
not aware of certain qualifications in the declaration of your
candidacy, but this is no way nullifies the fact that you were
willing to put forth your time and effort in service of Nova Roma.
This is to be appreciated. And I am sure I do not stand alone in this
appraisal.

I am hoping in future, when you present with all the necessary
qualifications, that you will reconsider a bide for quaestorship in
Nova Roma.

With equal weight, I am pleased we have such an astute Tribunus
Plebis, who recognizes inconsistencies, and explains legal parameters
in both an understandable and kind manner. Ave G. Salix Astur :)

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia,
Praetor


In novaroma@y..., lanius117@a... wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I must take this opportunity to apologize to all citizens for
declaring for
> candidacy for the upcoming election of Quaestor. As the Honorable
Gnaeus
> Salix Astur has pointed out, and rightfully so, I am a relatively
new citizen
> and was not aware of the requirement he mentions. Therefore,
since I do not
> legally qualify as a candidate according to the Lex Vedia de Curso
Honorum, I
> hereby publicly withdraw my declaration as a candidate.
>
> I apologize again for any inconvenience and/or embarassment caused
any cives
> for this premature gesture. My only intention was to try to serve
Nova Roma.
>
> I thank Gnaeus Salix Astur for the congenial manner in which he
phrased his
> email. I totally agree with his observation "lex dura, sed lex".
You can
> rest assured I will profit by this experience.
>
> Valete,
>
> Gaius Lanius Falco
> Scriba Propraetoris Nova Britannia
> Paterfamilias Gens Lania
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] CPT Item I: Quaestor
From:	Piparskeggr - Venator <catamount_grange@inwave.com>
Date:	Tue, 14 May 2002 22:30:00 -0500

Avete Omnes,

This bears re-reading.

lanius117@aol.com wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I must take this opportunity to apologize to all citizens for
> declaring for candidacy for the upcoming election of Quaestor.
> As the Honorable Gnaeus Salix Astur has pointed out, and
> rightfully so, I am a relatively new citizen and was not aware
> of the requirement he mentions. Therefore, since I do not
> legally qualify as a candidate according to the Lex Vedia de
> Curso Honorum, I hereby publicly withdraw my declaration as a
> candidate.
>
> I apologize again for any inconvenience and/or embarassment
> caused any cives for this premature gesture. My only intention
> was to try to serve Nova Roma.
>
> I thank Gnaeus Salix Astur for the congenial manner in which he
> phrased his email. I totally agree with his observation "lex
> dura, sed lex". You can rest assured I will profit by this
> experience.
>
> Valete,
>
> Gaius Lanius Falco
> Scriba Propraetoris Nova Britannia
> Paterfamilias Gens Lania
>

This is a dignified, Roman response, adhering well to a spirit of concordia.

Gaius Lanius, I shall be looking for your name on future ballots.

I thank you both for your interest in serving our beloved Res Publica and for your wellwritten
words.

--
=========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Civis Nova Romana et Paterfamilias
Legatus Occidentalis pro Magna Lacus

Domus Familias
http://www.geocities.com/gens_ulleria/index.html

Dominus Sodalis
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

So much to Do, not enough time in this life!
- Pip's musings

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] CPT Item III: Census
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 05:36:41 -0700

Marcus Flavius Aurelius wrote:

> Consul,
>
> While that goal is a worthy one, several provisions in the law are at
> odds
> with that.
>

Ave,

>
> The idea of someone not being contactable, and then being struck off
> makes
> sense. But if they subsequently surface, there is provision for the
> Censors
> decision to *not* reinstate them to be appealed. That implies that the
>
> Censors have some kind of freedom to decide if the citizen has
> resurfaced or
> not. That strikes me as a bit silly.
>

The Censors are conducting the Census, so they would have that ability
once all means of communication have been attempted and failed to get a
response.

>
> And if a citizen is out of communications for 90 days beyond the
> census,
> their email saying "Hey, I'm here" cannot be accepted??? Beyond that,
> what
> happens? If I write in and say "Oh, I was out of contact for a year.
> But I'm
> back now", will I be rejected? Not reinstated as a citizen? Have to
> reapply?
>

Remember, there will be a banner on the NR website, mass email to each
email address, individual emails, phone call, and surface mail attempts.
:) We are exhausting EVERY potential rememdy. On top of that, if you
know you are not going to be available during the three months you can
contact the censors ahead of time (item VIII). And, if by chance you
still fail to respond to the census and still want to be counted there
is an appeal process built in.

>
> A similar situation occurred with the taxation legislation - pay by
> this
> date or you gain a status that limits you for the coming year. While
> it is
> good for encouraging people to pay, it creates the absurdity that
> citizens
> who wish to pay after the due date cannot.
>

In the United States, as an example there is a deadline of April 15th.
And if you failed to pay your tax there, LOL there are severe
repercussions. Here your power of the vote is just weakened. I don't
have a problem with a citizen paying taxes after that date but they
should not get the same benefit, unless a penalty is tacked on or
something, for the individual who paid the tax late.

>
> The remainder of the proposed rule, Sulla, is creditable. It is the
> later
> paragraghs about citizens that we cannot locate that brings the whole
> thing
> undone by making it look a bit silly.
>

I understand you think its silly but its necessary, the purpose of the
Census is not to throw people out of NR..but to contact them, get them
re-interested back into NR, and hopefully productive members of our
community. We have 1200+ citizens, only about 13%-14% paid the tax that
leaves 85%+ that will need to be contacted, if we can, via this process
get ALL of them back into Nova Roma without removing a single
person...then that is absolutely wonderful. :)

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul

>
> Marcus Flavius Aurelius
> Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
> marcus.flavius@bigpond.com
> ICQ: 4895187
>
> Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
> To: <novaroma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] CPT Item III: Census
>
>
> > Ave,
> >
> > This has been discussed last month, actually. :) But the answer
> is
> quite simple. We have 1200+ citizens of Nova Roma and most of them
> are not
> around. This Census will serve the two fold purpose of contacting our
>
> citizens and confirming their contact information and reacquainting
> them
> back into Nova Roma.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > Consul
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marcus Flavius Aurelius
> > To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 7:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] CPT Item III: Census
> >
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > Marcus Flavius Aurelius
> > Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
> > marcus.flavius@bigpond.com
> > ICQ: 4895187
> >
> > Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --------
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt Haase" <haase@konoko.net>
> > To: <novaroma@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:39 AM
> > Subject: [novaroma] CPT Item III: Census
> >
> >
> >
> > Item III:
> >
> > Pursuant to the Constitution of Nova Roma (II.A. 4 and IV.A.1.b)
> the
> > following law is hereby enacted to determine the accurate numbers
> of
> > citizens who make up Nova Roma.
> >
> > I. A Census of all citizens of Nova Roma should be done every 2
> years.
> > This would be the responsibility of the Censors.
> >
> > II. The Nova Roma Census will last for a period of 8 weeks, and
> must be
> > completed by the Ides of September. The start and end of the
> census
> period
> > will be announced by the Censors on the NR website, official
> lists, and
> in
> > the major forums. The official lists are currently located at
> > novaroma@yahoogroups.com and NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com.
> > Notification must also be published on the Nova Roma Message
> board.
> >
> > III. The Census will consist of the following:
> >
> > A. Active citizens are those citizens that do not need to be
> contacted
> by
> > the Censors to determine if they are apart of Nova Roma:
> >
> > 1. Those citizens who voted in the main election (in December)
> shall be
> > considered "censi."
> > 2. Those citizens who have paid taxes for the current calendar
> year
> shall
> > be considered "censi".
> > 3. Paterfamiliae who have successfully responded to the yearly
> registration
> > of the Lex Cornelia de Tabulis Gentium Novaromanarum Agendis shall
> be
> > considered "censi".
> > 4. Persons who became citizens during the current calendar year
> shall
> be
> > considered "censi".
> >
> > IV. Inactive citizens are those citizens who fail to meet at
> least one
> of
> > the conditions in IV A. The following will lay down some of the
> procedures
> > to contact inactive citizens. Inactive citizens are those
> citizens who
> will
> > need to be contacted by the National Census. The following
> methods will
> be
> > used to contact inactive citizens:
> >
> > A. Bulk Email. At least two attempts should be done to
> contact
> citizen
> > via this avenue.
> >
> > B. Individual email. If a Citizen email bounces back as invalid
> from
> the
> > bulk email, the Censors shall send them an individual email to
> verify
> there
> > was not a problem with an email service filter.
> >
> > C. Phone calls. If a Citizen is unreachable due to an
> invalid
> email
> > address, the Censors shall attempt to contact them by phone. This
> may be
> > done on the Provincial level under the direction of the Censors if
>
> possible.
> >
> > D. Surface mail. "Inactive" Citizens who are unreachable by
> email
> or
> > phone shall receive a mailing from the Censors. This may also be
> done on
> the
> > Provincial level if possible. Surface mail information should be
> forwarded
> > to whatever official NR address is specified by the
> > Censors. Surface mail information must reach the Censors before
> the
> Ides
> > of September.
> >
> > The Current Official address of all Nova Roman Mail correspondence
> is:
> >
> > Nova Roma
> > P.O. Box 1897
> > Wells, ME 04090
> >
> > At the time of the passage of this lex, the above address is the
> official
> > address, if the official address changes in the future; the new
> address
> > should be utilized.
> >
> > E. A temporary banner and link will be put on the main NR website
> for
> the
> > duration of the Census, where individual citizens may input their
> > information to comply with the Census.
> >
> > V. All communicated information pertaining to the Census shall be
> noted
> in
> > a database on the Nova Roma Website, the address of which will be
> specified
> > by the Censores at the beginning of the Registration Period.
> Citizen
> > information may be inputted into this database by the Censores,
> their
> > appointed assistants, or by the individual citizens.
> >
> > VI. By the Ides of August, the Censors should post a list to the
> official
> > email list of Nova Roma displaying the names of those citizens who
> have
> > failed to respond.
> >
> > VII. If a citizen fails to respond to the contact attempts, that
> person
> > will no longer be considered a citizen of Nova Roma. His name
> will be
> > stricken from the Album Civium and if he/she is a Pater/Mater, the
>
> Censors
> > will abide by the Constitution, any laws, and any Censorial edict
> if the
> > appointment of a paterfamilias is necessary. However, the Censors
> have
> the
> > discretion to waive this clause if both Censors feel there are
> legitimate
> > reasons for the citizen to remain incommunicado.
> >
> > VIII. If a citizen who knows of an extended period of
> unavailability
> that
> > will coincide with the census, he may contact the censors up to 3
> months
> > before the census is to begin to inform them of his active status
> and
> his
> > desire to be counted in the census. Such contact will be
> considered by
> the
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> > IX. A former citizen may appeal to the Senate to have his removal
> from
> the
> > Album Civium reconsidered. Such an appeal must be filed with the
> consuls
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Subject:	[novaroma] Comitia Centuriata Item I: Century Amendment
From:	Matt Haase <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 10:28:12 -0500 (CDT)

Omnibus Civibus Novae Romae M. Octavius Germanicus Consul SPD,

I present, for your consideration, an amendment to the Constitution
that will reduce the number of Centuries.

Last December, we had some difficulty electing senior magistrates. Our
voting system works well only if there is a large voter turnout, and
multiple votes in each century.

In the recent election, one Censor and two Consuls were elected during
the first round. We were able to accomplish this only because there was
a relatively small number of candidates for those offices, thus the vote
was not split to such an extent that none were able to gain a majority.

However, the race for Praetor was different; in the first round, none of
the three candidates had a majority, although one had nearly enough.
A "run-off" election was needed, and in it, Pompeia Cornelia widened
her lead enough to be elected; but neither of the other two candidates,
T. Labienus or Q. Fabius, achieved a majority. Thus, a third election
had to be called, and only now that the number of candidates had been
reduced were we guaranteed that one would have a majority.

These repeated elections were the cause of much extra work for the
Rogators, and caused our Junior Praetor to lose one month from his
term of office, as we spent January trying to choose that Praetor.

What if there had been four or more candidates for Consul? We might
have begun the year with no Consuls at all. This can still happen
next year unless the voting system is further refined.

At the end of this month, when the deadline for payment arrives,
citizens will be divided into "assidui" and "capiti censi", depending
on whether each has paid the required amount. With all of the
capiti censi grouped into one century, the remaining citizens will
be spread thinly across all the other centuries, and achieving a
majority in multi-candidate elections (which is only likely if there
are multiple votes per century) becomes even less likely.

Thus, I propose to reduce the number of centuries.

The Constitution fixes this number at 193, which was the number of
centuries in existence during the late Republic. I propose to
remove the requirement that there be 193, instead making the total
number of centuries dependent upon the population of assidui.
(The exact formula won't be specified in the Constitution, but rather
in another law that we also be presented to you this month).

The Senate saw this proposal in January, and were asked to determine
whether it should be presented to the People. The majority of the
Senate voted "YES", and therefore I now ask you to consider it. If
this passes, it must be ratified by a 2/3rds majority of the Senate;
I believe that this will happen, for 2/3rds already voted in favor
of it when making the preliminary recommendation.

Here, then, is the proposed amendment:

Paragraph II.E.2 of the Constitution is hereby amended to read as follows:

] 2. There shall exist a number of centuries, said number to be set by law
] enacted by the Comitia Centuriata and not to exceed one hundred ninety three,
] into which the censors shall divide all of the citizens. Until such
] a law is passed, the number of centuries shall be one hundred ninety three.
] The exact composition of these centuries shall be determined by law passed
] by the comitia centuriata, but shall be weighted in favor of
] those citizens who have shown the greatest commitment to Nova Roma.

The existing text that would be replaced is this:

2.There shall exist one hundred and ninety-three centuries,
into which the censors shall divide all of the citizens. The exact
composition of these centuries shall be determined by law passed
by the comitia centuriata, but shall be weighted in favor of
those citizens who have shown the greatest commitment to Nova Roma.

Valete, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	[novaroma] Letter of Resignation
From:	Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT)

Unto the honorable populous of Rome, I Marcus Scipio
Africanus send my greetings.

It is with a saddened heart that I must announce my
resignation as Curator Differium and Rogator. I have
been going through a very difficult time in my
personal life, and until my affairs are settled, I
fear I cannot in good conscience perform my duties as
is expected of me. It is my hopes that by year's end,
my life will have stabilized enough for me to return
to public service, but until then, I need to retire to
my villa, and tend to my crops. I am truly sorry for
any inconveniences this may bring upon anyone, and I
truly hope that I will be allowed to serve our
Glorious Republic when my life permits me to. I love
all of my fellow civies, and I will continue to
monitor what is going on (by staying on the lists),
and I look forward to being able to become active
again.

Most Sincerely Yours,
M. Scipio Africanus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Letter of Resignation
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 09:30:32 -0700

Ave M. Scipio Africanus,

Sir, you really dont have to resign your citizenship. Just go inactive and give up your offices if you have them.

Later next month I am going into surgery, and I will be gone for at least a week and recovering for 6 weeks, but I am not going to resign my citizenship.

At times life is hard and prevents us from being more invovled in NR as we want to be.....but that is the great thing with NR, NR doesnt go away, and Rome wasn't built in a day. Settle your life and Rome will still be here when your ready to get involved again.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma
----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Evans
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Letter of Resignation


Unto the honorable populous of Rome, I Marcus Scipio
Africanus send my greetings.

It is with a saddened heart that I must announce my
resignation as Curator Differium and Rogator. I have
been going through a very difficult time in my
personal life, and until my affairs are settled, I
fear I cannot in good conscience perform my duties as
is expected of me. It is my hopes that by year's end,
my life will have stabilized enough for me to return
to public service, but until then, I need to retire to
my villa, and tend to my crops. I am truly sorry for
any inconveniences this may bring upon anyone, and I
truly hope that I will be allowed to serve our
Glorious Republic when my life permits me to. I love
all of my fellow civies, and I will continue to
monitor what is going on (by staying on the lists),
and I look forward to being able to become active
again.

Most Sincerely Yours,
M. Scipio Africanus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Letter of Resignation
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 12:18:22 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Colleague,

> Sir, you really dont have to resign your citizenship. Just go
> inactive and give up your offices if you have them.

That's what he did. He did not resign citizenship, nor did he
resign Propraetorship of Lacus Magni.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Letter of Resignation
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 10:24:34 -0700

Ave Colleague,

Yeah I noticed that after I received three copies from two different email lists of it each with different positions he is resigning. <g>

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus
To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Letter of Resignation


Salve Colleague,

> Sir, you really dont have to resign your citizenship. Just go
> inactive and give up your offices if you have them.

That's what he did. He did not resign citizenship, nor did he
resign Propraetorship of Lacus Magni.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana]: Idibus Maiis (on May 15th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <antonio.grilo@inov.pt>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 19:23:09 +0100

ANTONIVS GRYLLVS GRAECVS PONTIFEX OMNIBVS CIVIBVS SALVTEM

This is one of the dies nefasti publici (NP), a day for special religious
observance on which no legal action can take place.

The Ides of every month are sacred to Iuppiter. An white ewe is sacrificed
to Iuppiter by the Flamen Dialis.

Today Maia and Mercurius are honoured together. Why Mercurius is today
associated to Maia, we don't know... But some say that being Maia a Godess
of growth, the deceased and the Earth, being Mercurius the God of enterprise
and commerce, they jointly assimilate the power of the spirits of the
ancestors, who watch from the kingdom of Dis (=Plouton=wealth) beneath the
Earth and help us in our daily affairs.

The merchants ('mercatores') celebrate the dedication of the temple of
Mercurius which is near the Circus Maximus. This was dedicated in 495 BC.
Prayers ask for his help to grant the success of our affairs.
As described in [Ovid, Fasti, V.663-692], not far away from the temple, near
the Porta Capena, the pious merchant, after purification and with his tunic
girt up, draws water from a "spring of Mercurius" with a jar duly submited
to fumigations. He then soaks a laurel bough, lifts his merchandise and
sprinkles it. He also sprinkles his hair. While doing this he prays as
follows:

"Ablue praeteriti periuria temporis, ablue praeteritae perfida verba die.
Sive ego te feci testem falsove citavi non audituri numina magna Iovis, sive
deum prudens alium divamve fefelli, abstulerint celeres improba verba Noti,
et pateant veniente die periuria nobis, nec curent superi si qua locutus
ero. Da modo lucra mihi, de facto gaudia lucro, et fac, ut emptori verba
dedisse iuvet"
"Wash away the perjuries of past time, wash away my glozing words of the
past day. Whether I have called thee to witness, or have falsely invoked the
great divinity of Iuppiter, in the expectation that he would not hear, or
whether I have knowingly taken in vain the name of any other god or goddess,
let the swift south winds carry away the wicked words, and may tomorrow open
the door for me to fresh perjuries, and may the gods above not care if I
shall utter any! Only grant me profits, grant me the joy of profit made, and
see to it that I enjoy cheating the buyer!"

Well, remind that Hermes has once stolen the cattle of Apollo, and this
greek myth may have indeed introduced this rite and the aspect of Mercurius
as the advocate of less honest merchants.

I also remind you that Maius is the month of the old and the dead. Maia, the
Lares and the Manes and their mother (Mater Larum) are specially honoured.

Di vos bene ament

Subject:	[novaroma] Legion XXIV - Vicessima Quarta Newsletter May 2002
From:	Legion XXIV <legionxxiv@comcast.net>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 14:23:14 -0400

VICESIMA QUARTA
LEGION XXIV MEDIA ATLANTIA
Defending the Frontiers of Ancient Rome
in the Mid-Atlantic Province of North America

May 2002

Avete et Salutatio Commilitonis
Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas
George W. Metz Praefectus / Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073
legionxxiv@comcast.net 610-353-4982
www.legionxxiv.org

NEW MEMBERS

We have had a bevy of potential recruits lately.

Daniel Zeidler (Cnaeus Valerious Dannicus), an Air Force Officer
stationed overseas has expressed interest in becoming involved
when he gets back "State-Side". We look forward to him coming
onboard with his military experience.

Matthew Barron of York, PA (Titus Verus Romanus) has inquired about
what it will take for him to join with us in defending the interests of Rome.
He has been so informed and we await his induction into the Legion.

James (Quinius) Cantrell in the province of Delaware desires to sign-up
as a "conscribere" recruit. We can certainly use him in defending Rome's
interests down there in the Land of Purdue".
Quintius? Could you maybe provision us with some "tender" chickens?

LEGION XXIV and LUDIS MAGNUS in the ARENA !

The Ludis Magnus Gladiatore, Legion XXIV's Great School of the Gladiator,
received inquiries from the New Jersey "Gladiators" Arena Football Team
to provide atmosphere and entertainment during one or more of its games.
Noble Senator Marcus Audens, our school Lanista and General Casca of
Legio VI forwarded these inquiries to John Ebel, Maximus Mercurius Gladius,
our Palus Primus and Chief Training Officer. The "Gladiators" Operations
Department were skilled and formidable traders. After much discussion and
protracted negotiations, in which our "humble" Palus Primus shrewdly
negotiated with the cunning of an Arab trader; a price was agreed upon and
the commitment of the School was given to appear at the Team's Home Opener
Game on Sunday, April 28, 2755 AUC (2002) at the Great Continental Airlines
Arena in the Meadowlands Sports Complex.

We were engaged to appear fully armored and prepared to interact with the
"mob", guests and fans of the N.J. Gladiators and to stage fights and
performances at designated time intervals during the game.

In addition to our Palus Primus "Maximus", Michael Cattelier and his wife,
Paula; joined with our newest recruit Peter Santamaria and his wife Cathy,
who was also assisted by a friend to attend to the video documentation of
the event. Mike, as always, was eager and enthusiastic to attain his persona
as the fierce Lupus Brittanicus (Wolf of Briton), fighting in the "ordinary" style
as an "Ordinnaire", clad in wolf skins and the hides of unfortunate creatures
indigenous to his brute homeland and sported a round parma, bearing a
menacing visage of Medusa - a sight bound to chill to the very bone with fear
his most determined opponent!

"Maximus" chose to fight in the "Thracian" style, using a brass griffin-crested
helmet, leather greaves ornamented with lion's heads, leather cingulum belt
with ornate brass studs and waist clincher belt.
He also utilized his smaller squared scutum "parma" style shield in green with
matching tunic decirtaed in gold-braid trim, befitting his status of a top-ranked
gladiator. The Roman Champion's sword arm was protected by a lion's head
ornamented black leather arm guard with leather hand wraps -
A very intimidating sight indeed!

Peter Santamaria appeared as "Urbico" The City Boy from Florence; which was
his actual hometown in Italy! He was to fight in the light-fighter variation as "Thraex"
with round leather clad parma, curved "sica" sword and no greaves; but with
heavy arm padding and shoulder guards. A tall crested Thracian III brass helmet
completed his attire for his debut at so auspicious an event. Your Commander,
in the usual lorica segmentata, crested Italic-D helmet, caligae and Maintz gladius,
took the position of seeing that the combatants performed in a manner that would
render due credit to Rome and the "games".

Upon our arrival at the complex, we were all struck by the sheer immensity of the
Arena and its resemblance and configuration, albeit modern in form, to the Great
Flavian Amphitheater, the Colosseum in Rome!! We were conducted to the lower
dressing chambers in the bowels of the Great Arena and after being properly
attired we proceeded to the floor of the Arena to rehearse. We did not need to be
reminded, that here we stood, prepared to engage on the floor of an edifice which
traced its roots directly back to Mother Roma and to every other great amphitheater,
Provincial, or in the Capitol of Rome itself. After a proper rehearsal we proceeded
to the entrance plaza to greet the fans, hustle tourists out of their few meager
sescertes on "side bets" and to generally heckle and entertain the mob as they
flowed in. Instruction in proper stance and swordmanship was, as always, given to
young and eager gladiatorial recruits accompanied by their parents, who struck
away with promising skill and commendable enthusiasm.

At 2:30 PM, we were ushered to one of the entrance tunnels to await our cue.
The excitement built to a fevered pitch as we made last minute preparations for the
Opening Procession. We savored the moment, cognizant of the heat and dull roar
of the waiting crowds. There we were, members of the Ludus Magnus Gladiatore,
waiting to enter the Great Arena to entertain the thundering mob!
The cue came and we entered onto the floor of the Arena, along with the "Team's"
"Gladiator Girls" Dance Troupe, to form a gauntlet with raised swords as the New
Jersey Gladiators Team players were introduced to the screaming fans.
Our minds flashed back to 87 AD and the Great Flavian Amphitheater in Rome.
It was as if the Press Box was the Emperor's Gallery and the entrance tunnel had been
the Porta Sanvivaria, "Gates of Life" through which our predecessors had entered
feeling great anticipation and excitement. After the opening ceremonials, we turned,
quit the floor and prepared for the half-time fight.

At the half-time, the Champion of Rome, engaged the Wolf of Briton. The action was
quick, while both fighters cautiously circled each other, punctuated by fast and savage
exchanges of thrust and parry combinations with a violent clashing of shields.
After about one minute of exchange, the 'Wolf" struck decisively with a quick and
telling thrust into the left side of the Champion wounding "Maximus" grievously.
The crowd went wild! Foolishly, the Wolf paraded around the Arena, playing to the
mob and strutting his manhood in front of the "Gladiator Girls".
As the referee approached Maximus to see if he had been done in - "Habet !"
"He's had it !" - the Champion brushed the "ref" aside, recovered to re-engage and
motioned contemptuously to the Wolf, who with a guttural roar, ran full-bore at Maximus,
swinging his gladius overhead in a great and massive blow contemplated to finish the
Champion. Maximus, with a lightning fast leg sweep, knocked the barbarian to the
ground, disarming him. The still undefeated Champion of Rome held the point of his
gladius to the neck of the vanquished barbarian challenger. The Champion elected to
invoke his right to grant clemency - "Missus" "Spared" to the Wolf and the engagement
was over amidst the roar of the crowd.

Due to last minute changes in the schedule, Urbico was denied the opportunity to face
the Champion of Rome. This only intensified his lust to engage Maximus in the future!
Arena football is, at best, an exercise in "controlled chaos", with a much faster pacing
than NFL football with uncertain time slots. It is played on a 50 yard long and half-width
field. The rules of play are similar to NFL and at first appearance, would seem to be an
"excuse" for real football. Such was not the case. The game was as exciting as any full
field contest and the final minutes of play were as thrilling as a Super Bowl Game, with
missed field goals by each team and a final interception by the Gladiators on their
2 yard line with 3 seconds "to go", to hold onto and clinch a final 45 to 44 victory over
the team from Dallas Texas.

After the game, our members remained on the arena floor, chatting with the mob and
posing for photo opportunities. Needless to say, this was a great thrill to the men of the
Ludus Magnus. The "after-glow" generated by this event was distinct and palpable.
Aside from being the largest crowd the "Ludus" has played to, and accentuated by the
obvious similarities between this modern Great Arena and those of Ancient Rome,
the pride and camaraderie reinforced by our Member's participation in this event was
most apparent; especially considering that our School is not yet one year old!
The "Gladiator's" management was pleased with our performance and it is expected
that the Ludus Magnus of Legion XXIV will be invited to return to excite the crowds in
the Great Arena of the Meadowlands.

See the us in the Great Arena at www.legionxxiv.org/njgladgallery More photos are
due soon, so check back for views of the Ludus Magnus in action.

RE-OPENING of U of PA ROMAN EXHIBIT and GALA

Mark October 19 and 26, 2002 on your calendars!!
The Legion has been invited to participate in two events for the re-opening, after many
years, of the Roman Artifacts Exhibit at the Univ. of Penn Museum of Archaeology and
Anthropology in Philadelphia.
There will be a Re-Opening Gala on Saturday Evening, October 19; at which we are
to provide the proper Roman atmosphere and appearance.
No tactics or camp. Just be there to chat up the guests, provide photo opportunities
and, most importantly, be fed. A week later on Saturday October 26; the Exhibit will
open to the public and the Legion is to be there from 10 AM till about 5PM.
Here, we will probably set-up a camp, do some tactics, and again, provide photo
opportunities and converse with the attendees about what it was like to be a Roman
Legionary in First Century AD. The Ludus Magnus may also put on a gladiatorial
combat exhibition and lecture. It is likely we will be joined by some troops
from Legion XX.
The Museum is located at 38th and Walnut Streets, west of Center City Philadelphia.
More details will follow; but here is an event in our own Provincia, where Legion XXIV
should have a strong presence. It could be the largest invasion of Roman troops into
Philadelphia since the Empire!! And, Legion XXIV should be First to Advance and
Last to Retreat !!

The Commander has done a number of school demonstrations in recent months.
"Word of Mouth" is generating more requests for these "Show and Tell" demo's;
which are always well received by instructors and students alike.
They are during the week; but if you have the day free the Commander would welcome
having you join him for a school demo.

UPCOMING EVENTS

May 17, 2002 Roman Legionary Demonstration, Neshaminy Middle School, Newtown, PA

May 25-26, 2002 "Quest" SCA Barony of Settmour Swamp, Neshanic Station, near Flemington, NJ

June 8 - 9, 2002 "Roman Days" Encampment , Marietta Mansion, Rt 193, N of Rt 450, Glen Dale, MD 11 AM - 4 PM Arrive by 9:30 to unload and have your vehicle off the site by 10 AM.

September 7-8, 2002 Nova Roma Market Days, Sacred Oaks, Wells, Maine - similar to Roman Days at Marietta Mansion in Maryland. Camp, Tactics, Sutlers, Food. There is a campground next door with kitchen and bathroom facilities. A long trek; but the weather and scenery should be nice. More info from Cassius (William Bradford) at cassius622@aol.com

October 12-13, 2002 Marching Through Time - Memory Town, Mt. Pocono, PA, Rt 611 off I-80 or I-380

October 19, 2002 Roman Atmosphere, Univ.-PA Museum Archaeology Gala, Philadelphia

October 26, 2002 Roman Camp & Demonstration , Univ.-PA Museum Archaeology, Philadelphia

ROMAN FRANCE, GERMANY & ENGLAND TOUR JULY 26 - AUGUST 15, 2002

Depart Dullas (Wash-DC) to Heathrow -London - Visit Cologne, Kalkreise (Tueterburger Vald 9AD), Saalburg Fort, St.Germain Museum, Celtic Theme Park, Caesar's Alesia, Paris, Dover, Chester, Three days along Hadrian's Wall - Glasgow to Dullas - $2,250 or $1,600 with own air fare - $250 deposit due now

It may be too late to join; but you may try. Contact Robert Garbisch - 224 Masonic Drive - Vallejo CA 94591 - 707-557-4188 fireman_bob1@juno.com

Directions to Settmour Swamp:
The site is located on the Neshanic Station Fire Dept. picnic grove, corner of River Rd and Elm St, Neshanic Station NJ.

Take Rt. 206 to county Rd 514 [Amwell Rd] in Hillsborough. If you are coming from the north turn right onto Rt 514, if you are
coming from the south turn left.

Stay on Rt 514 for about 8 miles until you come to a 3-way intersection at a large white Church.

Turn right onto Rt 567 [River Rd]. A mile or so down the road turn left and go across a white metal girder bridge (Elm St).
The site is just across the bridge on the right.
Rt 206 can be reached from routes I-287 and US-22 from the north and from routes I-95/295, and I-195 from the south.

>From Rt 202 North -- Past Flemington Circle, 5.7 miles to right turn at "Neshanic" sign. South 2 miles to jct. with Rt 567.

Continue on Rt 567, 1 mile under RR bridge to white truss bridge on the right.
Right turn across bridge to campground on the right.

Directions to Marietta Mansion: 5626 Bell Station Rd., Glenn Dale, MD 20769. 301-464-5291.
>From I-95/495, the Capital Beltway, take Exit 20 onto Rt. 450 East, go 4 miles, turn left on Rt. 193, then left onto Bell Station Rd. and a 1000 feet to left into Marietta (or follow the signs to the parking area).

Check our Website. It has links to other reenactment Roman Legions worldwide,

Historical Sources and Suppliers. Pages deal with Standards & Guidelines,
Equipment, Weapons and Armor. Extensive Timeline, Glossary and Photo
Gallery Thru Time. Other pages deal with the History of Rome and its Legions,
Gladiatorial Combat and the Colosseum. Check it Out!

Thanking you for your continued support of Legion XXIV,

I manere in Viresium et Honorare
I remain in Strength and Honor

(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Republica
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic

Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire

Gallio / George




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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] CPT Item I: Quaestor
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 20:48:36 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, C. Lani Falco.

--- lanius117@aol.com wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I must take this opportunity to apologize to all citizens for
> declaring for candidacy for the upcoming election of Quaestor. As
> the Honorable Gnaeus Salix Astur has pointed out, and rightfully so,
> I am a relatively new citizen and was not aware of the requirement he
> mentions. Therefore, since I do not legally qualify as a candidate
> according to the Lex Vedia de Curso Honorum, I hereby publicly
> withdraw my declaration as a candidate.

This is an attitude that really says much about your quality as a
person and as a citizen. I am sure that all the citizens of Nova Roma
will realize how difficult can be to accept such a drawback with a
smile. I am really impressed. Well done, Gai Lani!

> I apologize again for any inconvenience and/or embarassment caused
> any cives for this premature gesture. My only intention was to try
> to serve Nova Roma.

No need to apologize at all. We all have been new here some time :-).

> I thank Gnaeus Salix Astur for the congenial manner in which he
> phrased his email. I totally agree with his observation "lex dura,
> sed lex". You can rest assured I will profit by this experience.

I am happy to see that I was lucky enough to express what I meant to
say correctly, and I am even more happy to see that you have understood
it correctly as well.

I look forward to hear from you again, Gai Lani.

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Tribunus Plebis
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Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Roman Days Red Roof Burnt down
From:	Joanne Shaver <merlinia@comcast.net>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 17:02:17 -0400

Salvete!
The Red Roof in Lanham burnt down, and they contacted me.
Unfortunately, they do not have the phone # or Email for one of the
attendees-
Quentin Johansen
If he or anyone who may know him sees this, please have him call

1 (800)874- 9000 ask for Amanda

Subject:	[novaroma] Serapio for Quaestor - Financial issue
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 14:43:07 -0700 (PDT)

Citizens of Nova Roma,

during the last days you read my candidacy message
for the office of Quaestor; you read infomations about
me; you read some proposals I made to collaborate with
the magistrate the elected Quaestor will work with.
You also read several support messages by respectable
citizens of our Res Publica. I collected all those
informations in a small website at
http://italia.novaroma.org/serapio
I would think that those of you that still didn't
know me, now could have formed an opinion.
So this is the moment to raise an important issue.

In reading my proposals, some of you could have said
"This is more like a candidacy as Aedile than as
Quaestor!"
Yes, and it is even quite small as amount of projects
for an Aedile, simply because I am not running for
this position. Anyway, I made some proposals, given
the present-day condition of the Quaestor magistracy,
that is to say a condition where a person that should
have to deal with financial matters, in fact work in
completely different areas. Isn't it a contraddiction?

It is my belief that you won't criticize me for
bringing up this matter, because it can't be denied
that it exists. We have several Quaestors who were
elected but who are not being used, because they are
working with magistrates who have no financial
connection in Nova Roma. What is being done to deal
with this problem???

My purpose is to bring the Quaestor magistracy nearer
to the historical reality, that is a Magistrate who
have to deal with financial matters. If it isn't
possible to administrate funds allocated for different
Magistrates, simply because our Res Publica hasn't yet
enough money to finance the projects of every
magistracy, so the task of Quaestors will be that of
studying, elaborating, and enabling solutions for this
problem. We can't imagine of satisfying Nova Roma's
financial needs only through taxes or small
"equestrian" incomes!

About taxes: how much did citizens pay to send their
cash or their money order to another country?
Shouldn't the Quaestors, magistrates on financial
matters, find the cheapest and easiest way to pay
taxes, in order to reduce commissions to a minimum?

I know that some of these topics were already
discussed in the past by novaromans, including past
Quaestors.
I am asking: what has changed? Quaestors of Nova
Roma: what has changed and what is there to be still
changed? What is being done to enable a solution?

I would like to know the answers to those questions
for two reasons:
-1- I am not so arrogant to say that I have nothing
more to learn (even though I think I have some
experience on this matter)
-2- I would like to start from a solid base with some
ideas. And if there is no solid base, I want to build
one, but I need your answers to my questions.
Couldn't it be possible to discuss those issues
togather? But not just for a few days or even less!
I think we should go on until we have a complete,
organic and concrete plan to make this magistracy less
ambiguous, and to find the way of a new financial
policy for our Res Publica. And don't say "I can't
join another list": why did you run for this office?
I am sure you didn't present your candidacy as
Quaestor because this magistracy is "easy to hold". It
isn't easy at all, and we are seeing it now!
So you can understand why in my first message as
candidate for Quaestor I said "I didn't take this
decision lightly, but rather I carefully considered
it". I am conscious of the role the Questors play in
ancient Rome, and I humbly think to be conscious of
the role the Quaestors could/should play in Nova Roma.

Citizens of Nova Roma, this is a very important issue,
and nothing effective has been done up to now. I
strongly invite you to express your doubts, which
problems you see in the financial aspect of the Res
Publica as in the magistracy of the Quaestor, which
financial matters should be faced to improve the life
of every citizen in Nova Roma and which ideas,
solutions would you propose.

I would like to come to a concrete plan within the end
of this year.
It doesn't means that within the end of this year we
will have money in Nova Roma's budget, and that the
Senate will have the possibility of allocating a lot
of funds for Magistrate's projects (so for the people
of Nova Roma), with Quaestors who will administrate
those funds.
It means that within the end of this year we will have
a strong strategy that will enable us to reach those
goals!

BENE VALETE OMNES IN PACE DEORVM!

MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
***Candidate for Quaestor***
http://italia.novaroma.org/serapio
Legatus Externis Rebus
Provinciae Italiae
Dominus Praefectus
Sodalitatis Egressus
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: CPT Item I: Quaestor (Lanius Falco)
From:	"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 22:39:53 -0000

VAE GAI LANI FALCO

I won't repeat the same right words of other citizens, concerning
the laudable attidude you wrote your message with.

I just want to tell you that you have not to wait six months to
collaborate in Nova Roma. Your behaviour got you the attention of a
lot of people: I am sure that nobody will be so stupid to refuse your
collaboration!
If you really want to serve our Res Publica. If you are interested
only in the Quaestor area, I am sure you will find the way of
expressing your abilities.
Otherwise take a look around: Nova Roma offers a lot of
opportunities! During the 4 months you have before having the
possibility of running for such a Magistracy, you have the
possibility of showing you abilities, dedication, etc...

When you find what you would like to do, ask without hesitation:
enthusiasm is always very appreciated!

VALE OPTIME
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
***Candidate for Quaestor***
My Page: http://italia.novaroma.org/serapio
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Italiae
Dominus Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressus
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: KDE translation to Latin - V
From:	"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Wed, 15 May 2002 23:25:00 -0000

AVE MANI VILLI LIMITANE

I have technical problems to use the program you use. Anyway I will
be happy of helping you in any other way!

I can give you the latin translation of about all geographical names.
> Latin translation of country names/languages
> Thai/Thailand
Thailandienses, ium/Thailandia, ae

> Turkish/Turkey
Turcae, arum/ Turcia, ae

> Afrikaans
Africani, orum

> Azerbaijani/Azerbaijan
Azerbaianenses, ium/ Azerbaiana, ae

> Belarusian/Belarussia
Bielorussi, orum/ Bielorussia, ae

I am available for any other name!

VALE BENE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
***Candidate for Quaestor***
My Page: http://italia.novaroma.org/serapio
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae italiae
Dominus Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressus
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Provincia Italia Website: http://italia.novaroma.org