Subject: [novaroma] Re: A Note on Quaestors
From: "g_popillius_laenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 01:26:01 -0000
>>I thank you humbly for your kind and eloquent praise. I dare speak
for my colleague when I say that we have both done our utmost to
enable as many of our citisens to pay their taxes as possible.<<

Salvete Tite Octavi et Pompeia Cornelia et Quirites,

Indeed you do speak for me also, my esteemed colleague and friend.
As you do when you offer thanks to our kind Praetrix (I don't know if
that's proper latin, but it sounds right to me.)

I hope that some better means of remitting funds from outside the US
can be developed. The idea of collection (by the Governor, for
example) and remittance in lump sum is (and has been) a good one.
However, the concern of misappropriation by anyone having acess to
funds, and the prohibitive cost on bonding, have been the obstacles
that we have not been able to overcome.

Again thanks to Pompeia Cornelia. You are one of the people who are
key to holding NR together. (And...you must be extraordinary to be
so close to both Lucius Cornelius and Marcus Minucius!)


Just kidding guys.......sort of ;-O

Valete,
Gaiud Popillius Laenas


Subject: [novaroma] Nova Roman Best Kept Secrets... :)
From: cassius622@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:10:19 EDT
Salvete Omnes,

I was just going through some of the lists I'm subscribed to, and it suddenly
struck me that we have a lot of Roman resources that are not listed on the
main Nova Roma website. Some of these lists are Sodalitas groups that are
still in the unofficial 'forming' stages, some are 'official' lists that just
aren't linked. Others are lists that have been created by individual Nova
Romans for specific topics of discussion.

Here is a partial list of some of the 'best kept secrets' of the Nova Roman
community. Hopefully some of our Citizens will find them of interest, and
benefit from participating in them! :)


THE SODALITAS VIRTUTIS
List webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasVirtutis/

An as yet unofficial sodalitas formed for the discussion and promotion of the
Roman Virtues. Topics include making use of the Virtues in daily life,
researching examples of the Virtues in Roman history, etc. Want to learn
about the Virtues, discuss your personal experiences with the Virtues, or
discuss current events in light of the Virtues? This list is a good
discussion forum for an important aspect of Roman culture.

THE MACELLUM LIST
List website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macellum/

A list where Nova Roman Macellum vendors and buyers can interact. Topics
include introduction of new Roman products, the discussion of possible future
products, help for Citizens wishing to start a Roman business, etc.

NOVA ROMA LAWS
List website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaLaws/

A discussion list for aspiring Nova Roman 'Legal Eagles'. ;) Serious
discussion on both ancient Roman and Nova Roman law. A forum where possible
new laws are often discussed. I believe Citizens are allowed to join, but
must say this is a focused 'on topic' moderated group rather than a general
discussion group.

NOVA ROMA WEBSITES
List homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaWebSites/

A discussion list for those among us interested in producing Nova Roman
websites. Do you know .html or have a half-decent web design program? Been
thinking about starting a list for your Gens, a new Sodalitas, a reenactor
Legion, your Provincia or Regio, etc? This is a place for serious discussion
about graphics, content, design, and more.


THE SODALITAS ATHLETICA
List homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalitas_Athletica/

Another as yet 'unofficial' sodalitas dedicated to Roman Sport and Athletics.
Did you know that the rules to many Roman sports and games are known, and can
still be done today? This Sodalitas has been started to raise interest in
Roman sport, and possibly provide Roman sport at live NR events, etc. A good
general discussion list for the novice as well as the enthusiast.

THE PATERFAMILIAS LIST
List homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paterfamilias/

Are you the Pater or Materfamilias of a Gens in Nova Roma? This list is a
great discussion forum for the founders of Nova Roman families. So far only
23 of a few hundred Familiae are represented here, so your participation can
mean a lot!


NOVA ROMA LAND PROJECT
List homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NRLandProject/

A list created for the discussion of land for Nova Roma. How might Nova Roma
aquire some land? What would we do with it if we did? A list for putting Nova
Roma 'on the map'. *Please Note -* Any new subscriber to this list should
read the archives carefully before posting. Many ideas have already been
discussed, so knowing what has been discussed before will help you avoid
raising questions that have been previously posted by others and talked to
death already.

And two 'honorable mentions'...

TEMPLE OF ANTINOUS
List homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Temple-of_Antinous/

A list for the discussion and worship of Antinous, the companion of the
Emperor Hadrian who was deified after his death. (Temples to Antinous were
built throughout the Roman world in the latter part of Hadrian's life.) This
site is not part of NR, but was started by Marcus Cornelius Felix, one of the
NR Pontiffs. A unique forum for those interested in the creation of Mystery
cults, the life of Hadrian, etc.


THE LAST OF THE ROMANS
List homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thelastoftheromans/

This list has nothing to do with NR, but there are a few Citizens subscribed.
This list is for discussion of the life of Aetius Flavius, the Roman general
who defeated Attila the Hun, and who kept Roman civilization alive in the
West for a while longer.

OTHER LISTS....

There are about 65 Nova Roma lists on Yahoo Groups. (Not bad for one
organization!) Many of them are for individual Gentes, or for the various
Provinciae.
To find other NR lists, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/ and type 'Nova
Roma' into their search engine. :)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus





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Subject: [novaroma] Fwd: CEREMONY FOR THE TEMPLE OF RELIGIO ROMANA
From: AntoniaCorneliaOctavia <europamoon7@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:49:09 -0700 (PDT)

--- Romancivis@aol.com wrote:
> From: Romancivis@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:36:33 EDT
> Subject: CEREMONY FOR THE TEMPLE OF RELIGIO ROMANA
> >
> Avete Omnes,
>
> We had our ceremony today at 1:00 and I wanted to
> let everyone know how it went. There were six of us

in attendance, all Nova Roma cives.

We started the ceremony with a hymn to Maia followed
> by rituals to Jupiter and Mercury, and finally a
ritual for the Lemuria. A buffet lunch was then
> served before we started off our discussions for the
> afternoon.  The first topic was the Virtue
Auctoritas and Emperor Marcus Aurelius.  Remus
Octavius Porus led this discussion which we all
found very interesting and enlightening.  Remus
spoke about Marcus Aurelius'life and his influence
on the Roman Empire and his personal philosophies.
> Publicus Cornelius Scipio Corvus then led the
discussion about Jupiter, giving an extensive
background and history of the King of Gods. This
was the first in our series of discussions of the
Dii Consentes, the twelve main Gods of the Roman
Pantheon. The final presentation was led by myself
which was about the Religio Romana, focusing on the
indigenous rites, practices and beliefs of the
early Romans. We were all honored with the
appearance of Dionysus Flamen Solus in full
> legionnaire gear as guard of the Temple. His uniform
> was very impressive and everyone enjoyed his
presence, knowledge and wit. Dionysus shared his
> knowledge about the Roman military and his
> reenactment group which we hope to visit in July at
Fort MacArthur Days in San Pedro. The ceremony
lasted until 5:00 and we all had a very good time.
>
> I was very impressed with everyone who attended as
> they were all very intelligent, pleasant and
respectful.  I am looking forward to seeing
> everyone again next month.  
>
> The next ceremony will be held on Sunday, June 23 at
> 1:00 p.m. in Tustin, Ca.
>
> Here is the information for it:
>
> The month of June is sacred to Juno, Queen of Gods
> and wife to Jupiter, King
> of Gods. The Goddess has many epithets including
> agriculture, light and
> childbirth and was the Protectress of Rome.
>
> June is the month for settling into the warmth and
> security of Mother Earth
> and celebrating growth.  It is a time for relaxation
> and reflection, and a
> time to appreciate the gift of life.
>
> Topics of discussion will include:
>
> Diana, Goddess of the hunt and of the moon was also
> the protector of women. This virgin Goddess,
associated with wild nature and woods and sister to
> Apollo, also embodies mystery and ultimate power
> inherent in nature.
>
> The Virtue Uberitas: "Fertility" Particularly
> concerning agriculture. This discussion will center
on Cato the Elder, orator, statesman, soldier,
farmer and author.  He was the first important
writer in Latin prose and his work De Agricultura is

one of the most important surviving texts on Roman
life. We'll discuss how love for the land and
simplicity of life formed the foundation of Roman
culture and how this Roman struggled to maintain
these ideals in the state.
>
> Ancient Roman music will be explored as we delve
> into what it may have sounded like and look into
instruments that were used and their
history.  Excerpts from a CD of ancient Roman music
currently on the market will be played.

> Ceremony will include Roman style lunch and drinks.
>
> Pax donation
>
> Directions are as follows:
>
> 5 freeway to Tustin Ranch Road, exit and head south.
> Go down to the first
> light (Walnut) and make another right. Go to the
> first street (Raintree) and
> make another right. Go all the way down towards the
> end of the street and you
> will see Fuschia on the right hand side. Go into
> parking lot and park in
> guest parking. If no guest parking spots are
> available there is parking on
> the street which is very close to my unit. You will
> see my unit from the
> parking lot and I will have a sign posted on the
> gate.
>
> Temple phone line is 714/734-6616 if you need
> further information or email romancivis@aol.com.
>
> I hope to see you!
>
> Pax Deorum
>
> Antonia Cornelia Octaviana
> President: Board of Directors
> Temple of Religio Romana
>
> "A God, a Goddess resides within each of us.  When
> the spirit arouses us, we
> radiate with an inner glow-an aura.  It is this
> sacred spirit that plants the
> seeds of all we are and all we do.  This sacred
> spirit is our inspiration"  
> Ovid Fasti 6.3
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Antonia Octavia
> President: Board of Directors
> Temple of Religio Romana
>
> "A God, a Goddess resides within each of us. When
> the spirit arouses us, we
> radiate with an inner glow-an aura. It is this
> sacred spirit that plants the
> seeds of all we are and all we do. This sacred
> spirit is our inspiration"
> Ovid Fasti 6.3
>
>


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Subject: [novaroma] Addendum to Edictum Aedilicium XI about the appointment of four
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:46:32 +0200
Ex Officio Curile Aedile Caeso Fabius Q.

Addendum to Edictum Aedilicium XI about the appointment of four
Domini Factionum

In Edictum Aedilicium XII I published the possibility for Chariot
owners to become Dominus Factionis for their Factio (Russata,
Praesina, Veneta or Albata).

VIII. Those who want to become Dominus Factionis for their Factio
must publicly announce their candidacy for the position of Dominus
Factionis for their Factio on the Nova Roma main list
(novaroma@yahoogroups.com) to become the Dominus Factionis for the
Factio.

IX. The following Candidates are already put up for candidacy:
Russata: Honorable Marcus Minicius Rufus
Praesina: Honorable Caius Curius Saturninus
Veneta: Honorable Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus
Albata: Honorable Marcus Octavius Solaris

X. The election period for the Domini Factionum will end the 31th of
May and the Senior Curule Aedile will publish the citizens that the
Juppiter Optimus Maximus has selected soon after.

XI. This addendum becomes effective immediately.

Given May the 20th, in the year of the consulship of Marcus Octavius
Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, 2755 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Curule Aedile
--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
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Subject: [novaroma] Consul Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix / ProConsul Marcus Minucius
From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:09:56 -0400 (EDT)
Who!!!!!!! Me!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmmmmmmmmm!! There are always those who are the last to know
(Grin!!!!!!)

Consul Sulla Felix and I have resolved our differences as being
counterproductive to Nova Roma, and have assumed a posture of
cooperation and determination for the benefit of this micronation.

While Consul Sulla Felix and I have some differing opinions, and
oulooks, not to mention favorite subjects and pastimes, we have both
resolved that our very differences, as long as they are acceptable to
those whom we serve as Magistrates and Officers within Nova Roma,
constitute one of the many pillars of strength that support Nova Roma,
and that further with a modicum of patience and understanding of our
widely differing backgrounds, together with the kind assistance of our
mutual friends like Senator Strabo, we can forge a strength of
understanding so vital and so strong that nothing can prevail aganst
it!!!

That we may disagree is all too common, so we have agreed to disagree.
Since our ideas are so very different we have agreed to actively and in
detail search out the best from each other's views. Finally if niether
of the former can be accomplished we have agreed that no personal
criticisms mutually shall escape our lips or fingertips.

Having said all that, I doubt that we wil ever be pals, but Nova Roma
does not require such, and we will give Nova Roma what we beieve she
needs and desires by common agreement to the best of our ability.

I understand that this dialog was not asked for, but it is offered for
those who still may not understand recent improvements in internet
relations within Nova Roma.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject: [novaroma] Re: A Note on Quaestors
From: "mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:38:42 -0000
AVE QVAESTOR GAI POPILLI LAENAS

--G.Popillius Laenas:
> I hope that some better means of remitting funds from outside the
US
> can be developed. The idea of collection (by the Governor, for
> example) and remittance in lump sum is (and has been) a good one.
> However, the concern of misappropriation by anyone having acess to
> funds, and the prohibitive cost on bonding, have been the obstacles
> that we have not been able to overcome.

--M'. Constantinus Serapio:
You are right when you say that the idea of collection and remittance
in lump sum is a good one, and you also are right when you say that
there is the danger of the misappropriation by anyone having access
to funds. As you say the costs for bonding are prohibitive, so
perhaps we could make a different speech:

During last tax collection you received cashes and money orders: you
were (or better, Nova Roma) ensured for a certain sum. Than you sent
money to the treasury of Nova Roma. Citizens were calm thanks to the
bonding.

If this system, extended to more than one "collector", would be too
expansive, we could organize something like this:
we found a european citizen with PayPal that offers to receive e-mail
from the european citizens who want to pay taxes (those people dodn't
pay for now). This man will send his own money (through PayPal) to
the treasury of Nova Roma for those citizens who sent to him that e-
mail.

Nova Roma send a receipt-for-payment message to the people who wanted
to pay, so now they can pay their lex amount to the person who made
the service in Europe and they will surely pay less than if they
would have sent them to US.

If after a deathline some of those citizens didn't send money to the
european man, Nova Roma will send back (through PayPal) to the
european citizen who offered the service the sum equivalent to the
taxes of the citizens who didn't pay.

In this way:
- citizens would be calm, since they pay only when Nova Roma confirms
that their sum has been received.
- bonding costs would be erased.

Perhaps you will ask "And if several citizen say they will pay and,
after Nova Roma has received the sum from the european "collector",
they decide not to pay? Novaroma can't spend a lot to send back money
to the european "collector"!"
You are right, and this is way I proposed that our european men has
PayPal too. In this way costs are very low, and surely lower than
those for bonding!

I think that with this system next year Nova Roma could really have
more incomes from taxes: many european citizens who didn't pay this
year because of prohibitive commission costs, will pay because they
won't have high commission costs.

I wouldn't organize this system on a Provincial basis, because if
some citizens in a provincia decides not to pay after having received
the receipt for payment, and this fact happens also in other
Provinciae, Nova Roma would have to make too many reimbursement, and
this would be difficult and expensive.
Perhaps, a person in every Provincia (possibly having PayPal) could
collect the tax money and send them to the central european
collector, that send money to US. But this possibility should stll be
studied.

What do you think about this proposal?

VALETE BENE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
***Candidate for Quaestor***
My Page: http://italia.novaroma.org/serapio
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Italiae
Dominus Praefectus - Sodalitas Egressus
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Provincia Italia: http://italia.novaroma.org





Subject: [novaroma] Acknowledgement of new priests
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:55:38 +0100 (BST)
Salvete Quirites.

As a lictor of the Comitia Curiata, I hereby witness and acknowledge
the nominations of the new Sacerdos of Nova Roma.
I recognize Antonia Cornelia Octavia as the new Pontifex of Nova Roma
I recognize Marcus Equitius Paternus as the new Flamen Volcanalis of
Nova Roma
I recognize Lucia Ambrosia Valeria as the new Vestal of Nova Roma
I recognize Amulius Claudius Petrus as the new Sodales Salii of Nova
Roma

May the Gods and the spirit of Roma Antiqua watch over the Sacerdotess
of Nova Roma, and grant them the guidance and wisdom for the positive
furtherance of Romanitas. May this sacred bond bring favor upon our
Nation and our Citizens in this coming year.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject: [novaroma] The jdbgmgr.exe virus hoax going around again (offtopic)
From: "quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 13:24:58 -0000
Salve,

I know this is way off Roman topics, but a virus hoax about the
jdbgmgr.exe file that resides in windows/system is going around.

If you get this hoaxmail do not delete this file, it's your
Microsoft® Debugger Registrar for Java. For more info
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q322993&


Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus




Subject: [novaroma] Re: A Note on Quaestors
From: Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net>
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 01:27:55 +0200
Salve, Mani Constantine Serapio.

Disclaimer: I will use the male pronoun throughout this text when
referring to a supposed person of indeterminate gender because I'm a
sexist, misogynist scumbag who hate women and wish to insult them.

Disclaimer to disclaimer: Yes, I'm kidding. Just pointing out that our
man in Europe might as well be a woman.

One part at a time:

mcserapio wrote:
> we found a european citizen with PayPal that offers to receive e-mail
> from the european citizens who want to pay taxes (those people dodn't
> pay for now). This man will send his own money (through PayPal) to
> the treasury of Nova Roma for those citizens who sent to him that e-
> mail.

You're saying we need to find one man (or maybe a few) willing to front
money for all of Europe? How many european citisens do we have at the
moment, two hundred? Three? That's $3'000...up front, in advance,
without any guarantees of when it will be refunded.

mcserapio wrote:
> Nova Roma send a receipt-for-payment message to the people who wanted
> to pay, so now they can pay their lex amount to the person who made
> the service in Europe and they will surely pay less than if they
> would have sent them to US.

Would this have to be done before the regular taxation deadline? If not,
when would the "front man" have to submit his money? At the very
beginning of the same period?

mcserapio wrote:
> If after a deathline some of those citizens didn't send money to the
> european man, Nova Roma will send back (through PayPal) to the
> european citizen who offered the service the sum equivalent to the
> taxes of the citizens who didn't pay.

Will we pay him interest? And you say "A deadline", as though referring
to something other than the "official" tax deadline...again, when is the
"front man" supposed to make his deposit? And, I believe, PayPal will
take a percentage of the money transferred as opposed to a steady
fee...so if we guess at 5%, with $3000 running back and forth twice,
this would cost either Nova Roma or the "front man" $150. Not a lot, but
consider if, nay when, we expand further in numbers...the cost is cut in
half if nothing needs to be refunded.

mcserapio wrote:
> Perhaps you will ask "And if several citizen say they will pay and,
> after Nova Roma has received the sum from the european "collector",
> they decide not to pay? Novaroma can't spend a lot to send back money
> to the european "collector"!"
> You are right, and this is way I proposed that our european men has
> PayPal too. In this way costs are very low, and surely lower than
> those for bonding!

Yes, lower than for bonding...but the problem is still, how is this guy
supposed to get the money in the first place? Sent in regular
snail-mails to his home? And what happens if those get lost? Does he
lose his right to vote? Does the "front man" lose his deposit? Or does
Nova Roma accept the loss? And if neither Nova Roma nor the "front man"
want to lose money, how does this improve security for the taxpayers? If
Nova Roma accepts the loss, how can we be sure the "front man" isn't
lying and getting the money from the citisens as well as getting a
refund from us? And who would volunteer as a "front man" if they stood
to lose money because others CLAIMED they had sent them?

mcserapio wrote:
> I think that with this system next year Nova Roma could really have
> more incomes from taxes: many european citizens who didn't pay this
> year because of prohibitive commission costs, will pay because they
> won't have high commission costs.

...again, how? The best option would be through banks, but international
transfers are too expensive. Checks aren't useable the same way in
Europe as in the US. Mails...well, we looked it up. A post box, in
Sweden where I live, would cost $150 per year. Then we have the part
with no common currency in Europe...though the Euro is spreading, it
isn't usable everywhere. Will the citisens, the "front man" or Nova Roma
accept these fees? (And they can be quite prohibitive)

mcserapio wrote:
> I wouldn't organize this system on a Provincial basis, because if
> some citizens in a provincia decides not to pay after having received
> the receipt for payment, and this fact happens also in other
> Provinciae, Nova Roma would have to make too many reimbursement, and
> this would be difficult and expensive.

Correct, given the number of Provincia versus the number of taxpayers
today. However, this type of system would grow progressively more useful
as our recruitment of new citisens continues. At the same rate, or
maybe even more, the amount of work and money our "front man" has to
invest would grow. For instance, having the propraetors collect the
money, perhaps through their regional legates, would produce a natural
hierachial system which should minimise administrative efforts and fees.

mcserapio wrote:
> Perhaps, a person in every Provincia (possibly having PayPal) could
> collect the tax money and send them to the central european
> collector, that send money to US. But this possibility should stll be
> studied.

Sure...but if they have PayPal anyhow, why not transmit directly to NR?
Always try to cut out the middleman, if possible.

Here is how I visualise things:

1. Citisens.
1.1. Citisens who have access to PayPal use it.
1.2. Citisens who don't:
1.2.1. Send their taxes in the LOCAL CURRENCY.
1.2.2. Send their taxes to the closest official empowered by the
Propraetor to collect Taxes.
2. Propraetorial assistants.
2.1. Receive money.
2.3. Those who have access to PayPal use it.
2.4. Those who don't:
2.4.1. Exchange received currency to the currency desired by the
Propraetor.
2.4.2. Send this bulk sum to the Propraetor.
3. Propraetors.
3.1. Announce how much the tax will be in any currencies used in the
provincia.
3.2. Receive money.
3.3. Those who have access to PayPal use it.
3.4. Those who don't have three options:
3.4.1. Get access.
3.4.2. Appoint an assistant with access.
3.4.3. Contact the consular quaestors and ask for help.

Any uses of PayPal will, naturally, be sent directly to NR, with a list
of all citisens who are covered by those taxes.

Plausible? I hope so.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.