| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Sunday, Monday, Tuesday |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:53:30 -0300 (ART) |
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Salve
According to a picture found in a wall of a ancient
house (Antium, i believe), the ancient romans had a
version of our week, called "nundina" (nine days),
each day receiving a letter, from A to H.
Because of the peculiar numeration system of the
romans, the nundina has only eight days, because them
include the both extremes of a interval; the day
before the kalends is "ante diem II Kalendas
Decembris" because the kalendas himself is the I.
Perhaps because that the ancient romans doesnt had the
concept of the number zero (0).
The week names (sunday etc) relating the planetary
gods with each day, seems to be a later adaptation,
perhaps in the imperial times, and the week of seven
days, perhaps in the fourth century AD.
Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
--- "M. Flavius Aurelius"
<marcus.flavius@bigpond.com> escreveu: > Did the
Romans use the 7 day week as we do? What did
> they call each day?
>
> Or was it all "the day before the Kalends of
> December"?
>
> Marcus Flavius Aurelius
> Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
> marcus.flavius@bigpond.com
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Sunday, Monday, Tuesday |
| From: |
StarVVreck@aol.com |
| Date: |
Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:58:41 EDT |
|
Salve
The current 7 day week is based on a mix of Celtic and Norse heritage.
Monday is The Moon's Day, Sunday is the Sun's Day, Thursday is Thor's Day,
Wenesday Odin's (Wodin's) Day. Etc...
Vale
Iulius Titinius Antonius
In a message dated 6/2/2002 9:54:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
marminius@yahoo.com.br writes:
> Salve
>
> According to a picture found in a wall of a ancient
> house (Antium, i believe), the ancient romans had a
> version of our week, called "nundina" (nine days),
> each day receiving a letter, from A to H.
> Because of the peculiar numeration system of the
> romans, the nundina has only eight days, because them
> include the both extremes of a interval; the day
> before the kalends is "ante diem II Kalendas
> Decembris" because the kalendas himself is the I.
> Perhaps because that the ancient romans doesnt had the
> concept of the number zero (0).
>
> The week names (sunday etc) relating the planetary
> gods with each day, seems to be a later adaptation,
> perhaps in the imperial times, and the week of seven
> days, perhaps in the fourth century AD.
>
> Vale
> Marcus Arminius Maior
>
> --- "M. Flavius Aurelius"
> <marcus.flavius@bigpond.com> escreveu: > Did the
> Romans use the 7 day week as we do? What did
> > they call each day?
> >
> > Or was it all "the day before the Kalends of
> > December"?
> >
> > Marcus Flavius Aurelius
> > Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
> > marcus.flavius@bigpond.com
>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday |
| From: |
"Julilla" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 03 Jun 2002 04:30:36 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "M. Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@b...>
wrote:
> Did the Romans use the 7 day week as we do? What did they call each
day?
>
> Or was it all "the day before the Kalends of December"?
>
> Marcus Flavius Aurelius
> Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
> marcus.flavius@b...
> ICQ: 4895187
>
> Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur
>
An interesting subject!
So far, about 200 fragments of Roman calendars, or fasti, have been
discovered thus far. Some were carved in marble or stone, but many
were painted on walls for decoration, and little resemble our modern
calendar pages.
Months contained three primary markers: the Kalends, the Nones and
the Ides. The Kalends were always the first day of the month, the
Nones were usually on the fifth but sometimes on the seventh, and the
Ides were either the 13th or 15th of the month.
All days after the Ides were numbered by counting down towards the
next month's Kalends. Holidays generally formed continuous
celebrations, and the remaining days of the month were usually
workdays. There were no 'weekdays' such as our Monday, Tuesday
Wednesday, etc.
In the early Republic, months were of a length identical to the lunar
cycle. Each month was divided into sections that ended on the day of
one of the first three phases of the moon: new, first quarter or
full. All days were referred to in terms of one of these three moon
phase names, Kalends, Nones or Ides.
At that time, a pontifex was assigned to observe the sky and when he
first sighted a thin lunar crescent, he declared the next month had
started. For centuries afterward, Romans referred to the first day of
each month as Kalendae or Kalends from the Latin word calare (to
announce solemnly, to call out). The word "calendar" is derived from
this custom.
Evidence for Roman's use of the modern seven-day week seems to point
to a time about 200 years after Constantine, when Pope John I asked
Dionysius Exiguus to determine when Easter celebrations would be held
in the coming decades. Dionysius, a Church abbot trained in
mathematics and astronomy, started work on his calendar of Easters
around 525 CE.
The calendar that emerged -- our basic system for numbering years
included the Julian calendar's 12 months and the seven-day weeks.
O well, I natter on, last, it might be of some interest for all to
know the days of the week in Latin, and those of us who can speak
French, Spanish or Italian will recognise the genesis of some of our
modern day names.
Sunday Dies Solis
Monday Dies Lunae
Tuesday Dies Martis
Wednesday Dies Mercurii
Thursday Dies Iovis
Friday Dies Veneris
Saturday Dies Saturni (or Dies Sabbatum)
Here's a nice article on Roman Calendars by my great amicus, L.
Aelius Stilo:
http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~snlrc/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/romancalenda
r.html
---
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|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday |
| From: |
"Miguel Cividanes" <tear@ciudad.com.ar> |
| Date: |
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 05:24:03 -0300 |
|
Well, I speak spanish as my first language and a little french and
portuguese. Just for fun, as in spanish and french the names are by far more
similar to their latin counterparts, i decided to translate them, so....
(first in spanish, then in french)
Sunday Dies Solis (Sun) - Domingo, Dimanche
> Monday Dies Lunae (Moon)- Lunes, Lundi
> Tuesday Dies Martis - Martes, Mardi
> Wednesday Dies Mercurii - Miercoles, Mercredi
> Thursday Dies Iovis - Jueves, Jeudi
> Friday Dies Veneris - Viernes, Vendredi
> Saturday Dies Saturni (or Dies Sabbatum) - Sabado, Samedi
It seems to me that the spanish and italian have retained a lot more from
the latin than any other "latin oriented" languaje, such as romanian or
french. Anyone knows why?
Adios! ;-)
Caius Argentinus Cicero
> O well, I natter on, last, it might be of some interest for all to
> know the days of the week in Latin, and those of us who can speak
> French, Spanish or Italian will recognise the genesis of some of our
> modern day names.
>
> Sunday Dies Solis
> Monday Dies Lunae
> Tuesday Dies Martis
> Wednesday Dies Mercurii
> Thursday Dies Iovis
> Friday Dies Veneris
> Saturday Dies Saturni (or Dies Sabbatum)
>
> Here's a nice article on Roman Calendars by my great amicus, L.
> Aelius Stilo:
> http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~snlrc/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/romancalenda
> r.html
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com/
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
> Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
> Curatrix Araneae,
> America Boreoccidentalis
> http://ambor.konoko.net
>
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 01:58:36 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salve Caius Argentinus Cicero,
I do not find any significant differences between
italian, spanish, portuguese and french concerning the
day of the week. The only one would be that french
chains the latin word "dies" to the name of the god.
Thus "Lundi" is "Lun"-ae + "Di"-es, and so on.
For the latin remaining in modern languages, France
was invaded by the franks, an "almost" civilised
nation (compared to the Vandals for example) that did
have a strong imprint on the roman-gauls living at
this time. This helped to the creation of the germanic
roman empire that did not include Italy or Spain. Even
so this empire did not last long, it had a strong
germanic influence on what is now France.
Vale,
--- Miguel Cividanes <tear@ciudad.com.ar> wrote:
> Well, I speak spanish as my first language and a
> little french and
> portuguese. Just for fun, as in spanish and french
> the names are by far more
> similar to their latin counterparts, i decided to
> translate them, so....
> (first in spanish, then in french)
>
> Sunday Dies Solis (Sun) - Domingo, Dimanche
> > Monday Dies Lunae (Moon)- Lunes, Lundi
> > Tuesday Dies Martis - Martes, Mardi
> > Wednesday Dies Mercurii - Miercoles, Mercredi
> > Thursday Dies Iovis - Jueves, Jeudi
> > Friday Dies Veneris - Viernes, Vendredi
> > Saturday Dies Saturni (or Dies Sabbatum) -
> Sabado, Samedi
>
> It seems to me that the spanish and italian have
> retained a lot more from
> the latin than any other "latin oriented" languaje,
> such as romanian or
> french. Anyone knows why?
>
> Adios! ;-)
>
> Caius Argentinus Cicero
>
>
> > O well, I natter on, last, it might be of some
> interest for all to
> > know the days of the week in Latin, and those of
> us who can speak
> > French, Spanish or Italian will recognise the
> genesis of some of our
> > modern day names.
> >
> > Sunday Dies Solis
> > Monday Dies Lunae
> > Tuesday Dies Martis
> > Wednesday Dies Mercurii
> > Thursday Dies Iovis
> > Friday Dies Veneris
> > Saturday Dies Saturni (or Dies Sabbatum)
> >
> > Here's a nice article on Roman Calendars by my
> great amicus, L.
> > Aelius Stilo:
> >
>
http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~snlrc/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/romancalenda
> > r.html
> >
> > ---
> > cura ut valeas,
> > @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> > |||| www.villaivlilla.com/
> > @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> > |||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
> > Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
> > Curatrix Araneae,
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> > http://ambor.konoko.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br> |
| Date: |
03 Jun 2002 08:32:51 -0300 |
|
Em Seg, 2002-06-03 às 05:58, Sextus Apollonius Scipio escreveu:
> Salve Caius Argentinus Cicero,
>
> I do not find any significant differences between
> italian, spanish, portuguese and french concerning the
> day of the week.
>
Portuguese totally lost the latin origin for the days of the week,
they are totally christianized:
Day of God, 2nd day, 3rd day ... 6th Day, sabbath
Certainly the farest away from the archetyp.
> The only one would be that french
> chains the latin word "dies" to the name of the god.
> Thus "Lundi" is "Lun"-ae + "Di"-es, and so on.
> For the latin remaining in modern languages, France
> was invaded by the franks, an "almost" civilised
> nation (compared to the Vandals for example) that did
> have a strong imprint on the roman-gauls living at
> this time.
This very far from truth, which lies in nearly the exact opposite:
the Franks were foreigners to the Roman Empire while the goths and
Vandals were long time foederates (sort of mobile mercanaries),
strongly romanized before they settled down in a specific province
(Italy for the ostrogoths, Spain for the Wisigoths, Africa for the
Vandals). Therefore their specific characterisitics have been lost
before their domination and had little to no influence on the final
province.
The Franks only settled in large number in north-eastern Gaul which for
most part became of germanic language (Saarland, Alsace, part of
Lorraine, Luxembourg, Part of Belgium). In the remainder of Gaul, their
domination was only politic,
similar to the Normand domination of England which left some linguistic
traces but didn't not turn the Anglo-Saxon language in French.
> This helped to the creation of the germanic
> roman empire that did not include Italy or Spain. Even
> so this empire did not last long, it had a strong
> germanic influence on what is now France.
Germanic Roman Empire included Italy all of its real existence (before
turning in a nearly heredetary Habsbourg Empire) but did never include
what it is now France. The variation of french with respect of
Mediteranean neo-latin languages (including langue d'oc which is french)
is mostly due to the less "civilized" (in the sense of city life) nature
of northern Gaul/France which brought the most "pagan" (villages,
country) pronounciation of Latin, with a lot of elisions, disaparition
of non-tonic syllabs after the tonic one. (Mostly the last syllab
disapeared in French)
Vale,
Manius Villius Limitanus
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:06:37 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salve,
> This very far from truth, which lies in nearly the
> exact opposite:
> the Franks were foreigners to the Roman Empire while
> the goths and
> Vandals were long time foederates (sort of mobile
> mercanaries),
> strongly romanized before they settled down in a
> specific province>
This is exactly what I was meaning. Because the Franks
were not "romanized" when they invaded what is now
France, they brought some of their own
characteristics.
> The Franks only settled in large number in
> north-eastern Gaul which for
> most part became of germanic language (Saarland,
> Alsace, part of
> Lorraine, Luxembourg, Part of Belgium). In the
> remainder of Gaul, their
> domination was only politic,
> similar to the Normand domination of England which
> left some linguistic
> traces but didn't not turn the Anglo-Saxon language
> in French.
I do not agree. The frankish empire (under
CharleMagne) was extremely well organised from the
Pyreneans to Germany, especially in the IXe.
> Germanic Roman Empire included Italy all of its real
> existence (before
> turning in a nearly heredetary Habsbourg Empire) but
> did never include
> what it is now France.
Once again I disagree. Unless we do not speak of the
same empire, as Charlemagne was a frankish king, it is
obvious that France was within his empire.
Nowadays Northern Italy was included as well, but this
part was not considered as italian at this time.
Concerning the frankish vocabulary heritage there is
more than 800 words that we know being of frankish
origins in the french language: balafre ,broyer,
butin, effrayer, éperon....are all frankish words that
are widely used today.
Respectfully,
=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Acting Praefectus for France, Sodalitatis Egressus
Terrarum dea gentiumque, Roma
Cui par est nihil et nihil secundum.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] WL: Women |
| From: |
<3s@hsk-net.de> |
| Date: |
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:24:14 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salvete Quirites.
For your interest. Perhaps somebody wants to get in correspondence with her about that matter.
Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor
-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Jack & Kristi Schultz <falcon@nacs.net>
An: censors@novaroma.org
Senden: 02:09
Betreff: Women
Hi--I just found your site today and as a lover of
ancient history was impressed. Not having enough time to really explore your
site I was wondering if you could direct me to information on the role of women
in your society. My knowledge of the role of women in ancient rome is not the
greatest. I was under the impression that Roman women were a rather oppressed
group. Anyhow, I would appreciate any info you can give me of refer me to. As
you can tell my ancient history interests have been rather into
Celts,Vikings,egypt and Greek. In all honesty I haven't delved much into
Rome.However,I am always looking to learn and your site caught my interest.
Thanks
Kristi
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] ATTN [Religio Romana]: ante diem III Nonas Iunias (June 3rd) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <antonio.grilo@inov.pt> |
| Date: |
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:51:09 +0100 |
|
ANTONIVS GRYLLVS GRAECVS PONTIFEX OMNIBVS CIVIBVS SALVTEM
This is a dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can vote on
political or criminal matters.
Today is the aniversary of the 'dedicatio' of the temple of Bellona, the
goddess of war, in the Campus Martius near the Circus Flaminius. This temple
was vowed by Appius Claudius Caecus in 296 BC during a war against the
Etruscans and Samnites, and dedicated a few years later. It was located
outside of the walls of Rome and so it could conveniently be used as a
meeting-place for the Senate for receiving those foreign ambassadors who
were not to be admitted into the city or for welcoming returning roman
generals who were reporting to the Senate or asking for a triumph, since as
long as they held 'imperium' they could not enter within the walls. In front
of the temple stood a little pillar ('columella') over which a Fetialis
priest, in declaring war on an overseas enemy, symbolically hurled a spear
into 'enemy territory'.
Di vos bene ament
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Sunday, Monday, Tuesday |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:06:03 +0100 (BST) |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Titini Antoni.
--- StarVVreck@aol.com wrote:
> Salve
>
> The current 7 day week is based on a mix of Celtic and Norse
> heritage.
> Monday is The Moon's Day, Sunday is the Sun's Day, Thursday is Thor's
> Day, Wenesday Odin's (Wodin's) Day. Etc...
>
> Vale
>
> Iulius Titinius Antonius
Your statement above is, I am afraid to say, only partially correct.
You are right when you write that the names in English of the days of
the week come from the names of Germanic gods. However, these names are
simple translations of the original Roman names, that were applied to
the seven days of the week in the 2nd century CE and that are still
kept (evolved) in modern Romance languages.
The names follow:
Roman God Day(Latin) Day(Italian) Germanic God Day(English)
Luna Dies Lunae Lunedí Moon Monday
Mars Dies Martis Martedí Tyw (War) Tuesday
Mercurius Dies Mercurii Mercoledí Woden (Wind) Wednesday
Iupiter Dies Iovis Giovedí Thor (Thunder) Thursday
Venus Dies Veneris Venerdí Freya Friday
Saturnus Dies Saturni Sabato -------- Saturday
Sol Dies Solis Domenica Sun Sunday
=====
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:20:26 +0100 (BST) |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Apolloni Scipio.
--- Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> wrote:
<<snipped>>
> Once again I disagree. Unless we do not speak of the
> same empire, as Charlemagne was a frankish king, it is
> obvious that France was within his empire.
> Nowadays Northern Italy was included as well, but this
> part was not considered as italian at this time.
> Concerning the frankish vocabulary heritage there is
> more than 800 words that we know being of frankish
> origins in the french language: balafre ,broyer,
> butin, effrayer, éperon....are all frankish words that
> are widely used today.
As a matter of fact, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese also present a
similar number of Germanic words. In fact, they are mostly the same
words as in French.
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] WL: Women |
| From: |
Jenny Harris <J.Harris@awgais.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:29:00 -0600 |
|
Ave,
I have contacted her, and gave some suggestions.
Vale Bene,
Aeternia
-----Original Message-----
From: 3s@hsk-net.de [mailto:3s@hsk-net.de]
Sent: None
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: falcon@nacs.net
Subject: [Nova-Roma] WL: Women
Salvete Quirites.
For your interest. Perhaps somebody wants to get in
correspondence with her about that matter.
Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor
-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Jack & Kristi Schultz <falcon@nacs.net>
An: censors@novaroma.org
Senden: 02:09
Betreff: Women
Hi--I just found your site today and as a lover of
ancient history was impressed. Not having enough time to
really explore your
site I was wondering if you could direct me to information
on the role of women
in your society. My knowledge of the role of women in
ancient rome is not the
greatest. I was under the impression that Roman women were a
rather oppressed
group. Anyhow, I would appreciate any info you can give me
of refer me to. As
you can tell my ancient history interests have been rather
into
Celts,Vikings,egypt and Greek. In all honesty I haven't
delved much into
Rome.However,I am always looking to learn and your site
caught my interest.
Thanks
Kristi
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Edictum Aedilicium XIV - Investigation of Charges and Complaints |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:23:50 +0200 |
|
Ex Officio Curile Aedile Caeso Fabius Q.
Edictum Aedilicium XIV - Investigation of Charges and Complaints
Introduction
In accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma, section IV.A.4.b,
the Curule Aediles have the obligation to ensure order at public
religious events and to administer the law, along with other duties.
This edict sets forth the manner and methods by which the Curule
Aediles shall carry out investigations into charges and complaints
brought by any person - either citizen or guest or other associate of
Nova Roma - under the lawful authority of the Curule Aediles.
I. As Curule magistrates of Nova Roma, the Curule Aediles may be
approached by any person with a complaint or charge of wrongdoing by
a citizen or associate or guest of Nova Roma, on matters falling
within the purview of the Curule Aediles. Such charges must be
examined and investigated to establish the facts and circumstances
surrounding the matter.
II. If an offense is obvious, the Curule Aedile to whom charges are
brought may elect to conduct a quick investigation and then deal with
the matter. When charges are complicated, or not obvious, or
otherwise require further investigation, the charges and complaints
shall be investigated either by the Curule Aedile personally, or by
his/her designated representatives. These investigations will be
recorded and kept confidential by the Curule Aediles.
III. All investigations into charges and complaints of wrongdoing
shall be conducted in such a way as to respect the dignitas of all
parties concerned. Investigators shall maintain strict
confidentiality, discussing matters under investigation only with the
accused, other witnesses, the plaintiff, the Curule Aedile to whom
they answer and other investigators appointed to the same case.
Investigators shall urge plaintiffs, accused parties, and witnesses
to limit comment on such matters out of respect for all.
IV. When investigation shows that an offense has occurred, the
Curule Aedile who initiated the investigation shall exercise
invocatio to call the accused to justice. The manner in which
justice is then served shall be as declared in separate edicta and
other laws of Nova Roma.
V. Records of all investigations - even the most cursory - shall be
kept by the Curule Aediles and their designated scribae. When a
Curule Aedile relinquishes office that Aedile's confidential records
of investigations shall be transferred into the custody of the Temple
of Ceres, or such other archive as the Temple of Ceres shall
designate, there to be retained for a period of not less than two
years for investigations which did not lead to trial, and not less
than five years for investigations which did lead to trial. These
records are confidential, and may be released only to Curule
magistrates engaged in their lawfully appointed duties. They may not
be published save for such portions as become a matter of public
record through being introduced as evidence in a trial or magisterial
nonjudicial hearing.
VI. Each record of investigation shall include, at a minimum:
a. Name (NovaRoman and legal names) of the plaintiff(s)
b. Name (NovaRoman and legal names) of the accused if known
c. Statement of charges and/or complaints including specifications
d. Names (NovaRoman if applicable and legal names) of witnesses
e. Statements of witnesses, plaintiff(s), and accused
f. Investigator's findings of fact and evidence
g. Investigator's conclusions
h. NovaRoman and legal name of Investigator
i. NovaRoman and legal Name of Curule Aedile who commissioned the
investigation, if complaint not investigated by the Curule Aedile
directly.
VI. Investigators appointed by a Curule Aedile to investigate charges
and complaints brought before the Curule Aedile shall be considered
commissioned representatives of their magistrate, and given full
cooperation in their investigations by all plaintiffs, witnesses, and
other citizens and associates of Nova Roma. Any citizen who feels
that an investigator thus appointed has abused their authority to
harass, insult, or otherwise damage a person may bring the matter to
the attention of either Curule Aedile, or any other Curule magistrate
who may wish to intervene, or in the case of Plebeians, any Tribune
of the Plebs.
VII. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
Given on the 3rd of June, in the year of the consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, 2755 AUC.
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Curule Aedile
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Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
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http://thule.novaroma.org/
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Edictum Aedilicium XII - Fair Business Practices |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:23:57 +0200 |
|
Ex Officio Curile Aedile Caeso Fabius Q.
Edictum Aedilicium XII - Fair Business Practices
Introduction
Since the establishment of the office of Curule Aedile in antiquity,
the Curule Aedile has been charged with maintaining fair and just
business practices within the marketplaces of Roma. Nova Roman
citizens deserve the same assurances of fair dealing as their fellow
Roman citizens of antiquity, and promise of redress in the event of
grievance.
Therefore:
I. Any Nova Roman citizen may seek justice from the Curule Aediles in
the event they feel they have been dealt with unfairly in any
marketplace operating under the authority of Nova Roma.
II. Marketplaces under this edict include world wide web based
businesses operated by members of the Ordo Equester, businesses
operating at sponsored Nova Roma events, and any other business
activity carried out with express knowledge that Nova Roma citizens
are involved, whether by Nova Roma citizens or by associates who
knowingly do business with Nova Roma.
III. The Curule Aedile shall examine charges brought by citizens,
and shall determine whether an investigation into the charges and
specifications is warranted.
IV. If investigation of a charge reveals probable wrongdoing, the
Curule Aedile shall prosecute directly for minor offenses against the
Constitution of Nova Roma and the Mos Maiorum, prosecuting these
cases in the Comitia Populi Tributa. Major offenses shall be remanded
to the Praetors and Consuls, and in those cases where macro-national
law is involved, to local civil legal authority.
V. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
Given on the 3rd of June, in the year of the consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, 2755 AUC.
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Curule Aedile
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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************************************************
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Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
************************************************
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Edictum Aedilicium XIII - Law Enforcement and Prosecution |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:24:06 +0200 |
|
Ex Officio Curile Aedile Caeso Fabius Q.
Edictum Aedilicium XIII - Law Enforcement and Prosecution
Introduction
In accordance with the Constitution of NovaRoma, section IV.A.4.b,
the Curule Aediles have the obligation to ensure order at public
religious events and to administer the law, along with other duties.
This edictum sets forth the manner and methods by which the Curule
Aediles shall carry out their law enforcement and prosecutorial
duties. These manners and methods will serve for current
requirements and such other administrative and enforcement duties as
may be assigned to the Curule Aediles in the future.
I. Since the establishment of the office of Curule Aedile in
antiquity, the Curule Aediles have from time to time been required to
enforce the laws within their respective areas of authority.
Historically such enforcement included direct imposition of
nonjudicial penalties and prosecutions before the Comitia Populi
Tributa. This edictum establishes the continuation of these practices
from antiquity as appropriate in the Republic of Nova Roma.
II. The Curule Aediles, by virtue of the potestas invested in the
office, may act to investigate and punish violations of the laws they
are charged to administer. They may also prosecute serious violations
before a jury in the Comitia Populi Tributa, or before higher
magistrates acting as judges.
III. Every Nova Roman citizen has the right to a trial by a jury of
his peers. Therefore, any citizen may refuse nonjudicial penalties
imposed by a Curule Aedile and instead insist on a trial before the
Comitia Populi Tributa. In such cases, the investigating Curule
Aedile or a designated representative will prosecute the case before
a jury of citizens, the majority of whom are of the same order -
patrician or plebian - as the accused. Such prosecutions shall occur
in the Comitia Populi Tributa.
IV. In the case of serious offenses which, in the Curule Aedile's
judgement, fall outside the range of minor offenses for which
nonjudicial penalties would be appropriate and sufficient, the Curule
Aedile will remand the case to the Praetors for their disposition.
Any case which becomes a matter for macro-national authorities must
be remanded to the Praetors.
V. Nonjudicial penalties
The following measures may be imposed against citizens of Nova Roma
by the Curule Aediles for offenses against the laws, subject to the
provisions listed above which guarantee all citizens the choice of
trial before the Comitia Populi Tributa in lieu of Curule Aedelian
imposed nonjudicial penalties:
a. official recommendation to a list moderator that an offender be
removed from the concerned list for a specified period of time or
permanently.
b. official demand for apologies that must be publicly made in the
same forum where the offense was made, with a copy sent to the Curule
Aediles, and another to all other parties involved.
c. official request to the Censores for the issuance of a nota
against the offender.
d. imposition of a fine of not more than $50 US, to be paid in the
same way as taxes within a time specified by the Curule Aedile
imposing the fine.
e. all these measures may be combined as the Curule Aediles see fit.
f. no corporal punishments of any sort, including flogging, beating
with rods from the Lictor's bundle of fasces, or any other sort of
violent physical contact, may be imposed.
VI. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
Given on the 3rd of June, in the year of the consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, 2755 AUC.
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Curule Aedile
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
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Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10
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