| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Roman Seaborne Commerce |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:20:35 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Nova-Roma List;
Even worse than the conditions that were added to my own by others
(sudden storms in the Bay of Biscay, clawing off a lee shore, and only a
single clumsy square sail to rely on for power)
these ships had no means of navigating with any accuracy out of sight of
land. Therefore, in all probability, they stayed within sight of land,
until they reached a point that was familiar to them, and where they
felt comfortable to bear up for Britain or to ascend one of the Main
Iland waterways. Obviously, one of these places would be the Rhinus
Delta.
However, these ships could run close-hauled with the wind abeam, by
hauling in the yard until it was braced around from bow to quarter.
They could probably come no closer to the wind than seven points,
though.
Some of the larger ships may well have been Naval Galleys with oars as a
secondary means of power. The reference previously provided, on this
topic, mentions that the military assisted shippers in moving heavy
bulky cargoes like barrels of wine, when conditions or final markets
justified such.
Some of the ships were good sized, and while those sailing vessels from
350 to 500 tons (bulk cargo carriers -- wine and stone) were obviously
large, they were by no means rare (1).
Another consideration is that they may not have shipped goods by sea
during the winter months, when the worst of the storms occur. Vegitus
speaks of the optimum sailing season being from 27 May to 14 September.
This caution not only because of the winter storms, but also because of
fog, cloudness, scud and mist that often masked the important navigation
and danger points to be marked and / or avoided along the coastline (1).
One final area of consideration for ancient sailors were prevailing
winds and currents. Different seasons affected the prevailing wind
patterns and special problem areas like the hot winds off the Sahara
Desert, the Fohn winds coming down the river valleys from the alpine
cold, and the Mistral in the West, a swell as the Etesians which ruled
the Aegean. These winds are still extant today, and are taken into
onsideration even with ships under steam or motor power. Currents were
not a great concern in the mediterranean except in certain straits and
channels (euripus, Messina, Hellspont, Bosporus, etc. However, currents
were a major consideration at the Pillrs of Hercules, and along the
Oceanus Atlantico's coasts of Iberia and Gaul (1).
(1)-----"Ship's and Seamanship in the Ancient World," Lionel Casson,
Princeton University Press, Prnceton, NJ, 1971.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Seaborne Commerce |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:40:38 -0000 |
|
---
Salvete Omnes:
Lionel Casson, the author of the reference Senator Marcus Audens
sites, is author of a few books on ancient naval dynamics, merchants,
warfare, famous ports, ship structure, navigation.
This author was recommended to me by both Senators Audens and Fabius
Maximus, and I recommend them highly. I own two of his publications,
and I have learned a good deal from them. They are well referenced,
with primary sources cited, atleast in the books I own.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Praetor et Militarium Naval Affictionado :)
In Nova-Roma@y..., jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Nova-Roma List;
>
> Even worse than the conditions that were added to my own by others
>
> (sudden storms in the Bay of Biscay, clawing off a lee shore, and
only a
> single clumsy square sail to rely on for power)
>
> these ships had no means of navigating with any accuracy out of
sight of
> land. Therefore, in all probability, they stayed within sight of
land,
> until they reached a point that was familiar to them, and where they
> felt comfortable to bear up for Britain or to ascend one of the Main
> Iland waterways. Obviously, one of these places would be the Rhinus
> Delta.
>
> However, these ships could run close-hauled with the wind abeam, by
> hauling in the yard until it was braced around from bow to quarter.
> They could probably come no closer to the wind than seven points,
> though.
>
> Some of the larger ships may well have been Naval Galleys with oars
as a
> secondary means of power. The reference previously provided, on
this
> topic, mentions that the military assisted shippers in moving heavy
> bulky cargoes like barrels of wine, when conditions or final markets
> justified such.
>
> Some of the ships were good sized, and while those sailing vessels
from
> 350 to 500 tons (bulk cargo carriers -- wine and stone) were
obviously
> large, they were by no means rare (1).
>
> Another consideration is that they may not have shipped goods by sea
> during the winter months, when the worst of the storms occur.
Vegitus
> speaks of the optimum sailing season being from 27 May to 14
September.
> This caution not only because of the winter storms, but also
because of
> fog, cloudness, scud and mist that often masked the important
navigation
> and danger points to be marked and / or avoided along the coastline
(1).
>
> One final area of consideration for ancient sailors were prevailing
> winds and currents. Different seasons affected the prevailing wind
> patterns and special problem areas like the hot winds off the Sahara
> Desert, the Fohn winds coming down the river valleys from the alpine
> cold, and the Mistral in the West, a swell as the Etesians which
ruled
> the Aegean. These winds are still extant today, and are taken into
> onsideration even with ships under steam or motor power. Currents
were
> not a great concern in the mediterranean except in certain straits
and
> channels (euripus, Messina, Hellspont, Bosporus, etc. However,
currents
> were a major consideration at the Pillrs of Hercules, and along the
> Oceanus Atlantico's coasts of Iberia and Gaul (1).
>
> (1)-----"Ship's and Seamanship in the Ancient World," Lionel Casson,
> Princeton University Press, Prnceton, NJ, 1971.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Summoning the Comitia Centuriata |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:50:37 -0700 |
|
Avete Omnes,
It is my pleasure the summon the Comitia Centuriata for this month. In
this session the following will be the schedule and agenda:
The Contio begins today, June 20th.
Voting begins on June 28th
Voting ends on July 5th.
I. Lex Cornelia Octavia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuriatorum
I. All previous laws relating to the Comitia Centuriata are hereby
rescinded as they apply to the election of magistrates and the voting of
leges by the Comitia Centuriata. This Lex Cornelia Octavia de Ratione
Comitiorum Centuriatorum is hereby enacted to define the procedures by
which the Comitia Centuriata shall conduct the business of electing
magistrates and voting on leges.
II. Calling the Comitia to Order.
Either a Consul or Praetor may, as described in the Constitution, call
the Comitia to order, to hold a vote on a lex or leges, or to hold an
election. The magistrate who calls the Comitia to order shall be
referred to herein as the presiding magistrate.
A. This shall be done by making a public announcement announcing the
call in those public fora which shall have been designated for such
purpose, in which must be included:
1. The names of candidates for office and the office for which they are
running (when the Comitia is being called for an election);
2. Date of Citizenship of each candidate.
3. The full text of any leges, which are being voted on (when the
Comitia is being called to legislate);
4. The dates and time when the members of the Comitia shall begin
and finish voting;
5. Any special instructions that pertain to the mechanics of the
vote, if any.
B. The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking
all reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold
whatever qualifications are required by law. The Censors shall assist in
such efforts as to the best of their ability.
III. Timing of the vote.
A. The edictum containing the call to vote must be issued at least 120
hours (5 days) prior to the start of the vote. This period shall be
known as the Contio, and shall be used for formal discussion of the
issues and/or candidates before the People for vote.
1. In the event that, in an election for a magisterial office, there
are not sufficient candidates elected to fill all vacancies in that
office, the presiding magistrate may call for a follow-up election among
those same candidates who failed to obtain that office in the previous
election. For these follow-up elections, the 120-hour (5-day)
requirement for the length of the Contio (official discussion period)
shall be shortened to 24 hours.
B. During the Contio, the following conditions shall apply:
1. Those constitutionally empowered to do so may exercise their
powers of intercessio or nuntiatio.
a. Intercessio may be exercised against either the entire election
or vote, or against one or more individual items on the ballot. If there
are any items on the ballot that have not been subjected to intercessio,
voting on them shall proceed normally. The removal of an item from the
ballot due to intercessio shall not prevent that item from being placed
upon the ballot for a different vote at a later time.
b. The exercise of nuntiatio shall extend the Contio, postponing
the start and end dates of the voting period by 24 hours, during which
time nuntiatio may again be exercised.
c. Should the exercise of nuntatio cause the voting period to move
such that it conflicts with calendarical restrictions as defined by the
Collegium Pontificum, the presiding magistrate may change or extend the
dates of the vote and/or contio at his discretion.
2. A member of the Collegium Augurum shall be invited by the
presiding magistrate to seek favorable auspices for the conduct of the
vote, subject to those rules and regulations the Collegium Augurum shall
set forth by decreta. Should the presiding magistrate himself be a
member of the Collegium Augurum, he may take the auspices for the vote
himself.
C. The period between the start and end of the voting must last no
less than 120 hours (5 days).
D. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted and/or
suspended due to calendrical issues as enacted by decreta of the
Collegium Pontificum.
E. The rogatores shall tally the vote and shall deliver the results to
the presiding magistrate within 48 hours of the close of the voting
period.
F. The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote
within 24 hours of receiving the results from the rogatores, in at least
the same venues as the original announcement calling the vote was
published.
IV. Voting procedures.
A. The censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter
identification code. This code shall be used to maintain anonymity in
the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In a
timely fashion prior to the vote, the censors shall make available to
the rogatores a list of valid voter identification codes and the
centuries with which they are associated. The rogatores shall not have
access to the names of the citizens associated with particular voter
identification codes.
B. In consultation with the rogatores, the curator araneum shall make
available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to vote
directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall record
the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual.
The information thus collected will either be forwarded to the rogatores
as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their discretion.
Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other legislation as
required.
C. Each Citizen shall have the opportunity to vote for a single
candidate for each office for which a vacancy exists, regardless of the
number of vacancies within a given magistracy. Citizens may cast a vote
for a candidate not listed on the ballot, or may waive their right to
cast a vote for a given magistracy. Once cast, no vote may be altered,
even with the correct voter identification code. Should multiple votes
be registered with the same voter identification code, only the first
one recorded shall be used when tallying the vote.
V. Procedures for counting votes.
A. Votes shall be counted by centuries.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, each century shall cast a
number of votes equal to the number of vacancies for the magistracy in
question or the number of candidates who received individual votes from
members of that century, whichever is less. Votes shall be assigned to
those candidates who received votes by members of the century, with
those candidates receiving the most valid individual votes receiving the
century's vote first, then working down in descending order until either
all the century's votes have been assigned, or there are no remaining
candidates who received votes from citizens in that century.
2. In the case of a vote on a lex, each century shall vote in favor
of the lex if a majority of the votes received by members of the century
are in favor. Otherwise, the century shall be considered to have voted
against the proposed lex.
3. Should a tie occur within a given century, the winner shall be
the candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall
not decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores
may decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
4. No candidate may win a century unless he or she has received
at least one vote from a citizen within that century.
B. A vote or election shall be decided by a majority of the centuries.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, candidates must receive
votes from a simple majority of the centuries casting votes in order to
win.
a. Should not enough candidates receive votes from at least a
simple majority of the centuries casting votes to fill all vacancies, a
new election shall be called within 30 days from the end of the current
election.
b. Should more candidates receive votes from at least a simple
majority of the centuries casting votes than there are vacancies, the
winner shall be the candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias,
or if such shall not decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by
lot. The rogatores may decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in
a fair manner.
2. In the case of a vote on a lex, a simple majority of the
centuries casting votes must vote in favor for the lex to be adopted.
3. "A simple majority" is hereby defined as "one half of the number
of centuries casting votes, plus one". Abstentions are not considered
votes, and a century in which all voters abstained shall not be counted
toward this total.
C. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the rogatores
determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as, a manual
count.
D. Only the aggregate votes of the centuries shall be delivered to the
presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizens shall be secret.
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Summoning of Comitia Populi Tributa |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:51:12 -0700 |
|
Avete Omnes,
It is my pleasure to summon the Comitia Populi Tributa for this month.
In this session the following will be the schedule and agenda:
The Contio begins today, June 20th.
Voting begins on June 28th
Voting ends on July 3rd.
I. - Vote for Quaestor:
Ianus Minicius Sparsus
Gauis Geminius Germanus
II. - Lex Cornelia Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum Populi Tributorum
I. All previous laws relating to the Comitia Populi Tributa are hereby
rescinded as they apply to the election of magistrates and the voting of
leges by the Comitia Populi Tributa. This Lex Cornelia Vedia de Ratione
Comitiorum Populi Tributorum is hereby enacted to define the procedures
by which the Comitia Populi shall conduct the business of electing
magistrates and voting on leges.
II. Calling the Comitia to Order.
Either a Consul or Praetor may, as described in the Constitution, call
the Comitia to order, to hold a vote on a lex or leges, or to hold an
election. The magistrate who calls the Comitia to order shall be
referred to herein as the presiding magistrate.
A. This shall be done by making a public announcement announcing the
call in those public fora which shall have been designated for such
purpose, in which must be included:
1. The names of candidates for office and the office for which they are
running (when the Comitia is being called for an election);
2. Date of Citizenship of each candidate.
3. The full text of any leges which are being voted on (when the
Comitia is being called to legislate),
4. The dates when the members of the Comitia shall begin and finish
voting,
5. Any special instructions that pertain to the mechanics of the vote,
if any.
B. The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking all
reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold
whatever qualifications are required by law. The Censors shall assist in
such efforts as to the best of their ability.
III. Timing of the vote.
A. The edictum containing the call to vote must be issued at least 120
hours (5 days) prior to the start of the vote. This period shall be
known as the Contio, and shall be used for formal discussion of the
issues and/or candidates before the People for vote.
B. During the Contio, the following conditions shall apply:
1. Those constitutionally empowered to do so may exercise their powers
of intercessio or nuntiatio.
a. The exercise of intercessio will remove an individual item from the
vote, but voting on the other items will still be allowed.
b. The exercise of nuntiatio shall extend the Contio, postponing the
start and end dates of the voting period by 24 hours, during which time
nuntiatio may again be exercised.
c. Should the exercise of nuntatio cause the voting period to move such
that it conflicts with calendarical restrictions as defined by the
Collegium Pontificum, the presiding magistrate may change or extend the
dates of the vote and/or contio at his discretion.
2. A member of the Collegium Augurum shall be invited by the presiding
magistrate to seek favorable auspices for the conduct of the vote,
subject to those rules and regulations the Collegium Augurum shall set
forth by decreta. Should the presiding magistrate himself be a member of
the Collegium Augurum, he may take the auspices for the vote himself.
C. The period between the start and end of the voting must last no less
than 120 hours (5 days).
D. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted and/or
suspended due to calendrical issues as enacted by decreta of the
Collegium Pontificum.
E. The rogatores shall tally the vote and shall deliver the results to
the presiding magistrate within 48 hours of the close of the voting
period.
F. The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote
within 24 hours of receiving the results from the rogatores, in at least
the same venues as the original announcement calling the vote was
published.
IV. Voting procedures.
A. The censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter identification
code. This code shall be used to maintain anonymity in the voting
process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In a timely
fashion prior to the vote, the censors shall make available to the
rogatores a list of valid voter identification codes and the centuries
and/or tribes with which they are associated. The rogatores shall not
have access to the names of the citizens associated with particular
voter identification codes.
B. In consultation with the rogatores, the curator araneum shall make
available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to vote
directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall record
the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual.
The information thus collected will either be forwarded to the rogatores
as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their discretion.
Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other legislation as
required.
C. Each Citizen shall have the opportunity to vote for a single
candidate for each office for which a vacancy exists, regardless of the
number of vacancies within a given magistracy. Citizens may cast a vote
for a candidate not listed on the ballot, or may waive their right to
cast a vote for a given magistracy. Once cast, no vote may be altered,
even with the correct voter identification code. Should multiple votes
be registered with the same voter identification code, only the first
one recorded shall be used when tallying the vote.
V. Procedures for counting votes.
A. Votes shall be counted by tribes.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, each tribe shall cast a number
of votes equal to the number of vacancies for the magistracy in
question. Votes shall be assigned to those candidates who received votes
by members of the tribe, with those candidates receiving the most valid
individual votes receiving the tribe's vote first, then working down in
descending order until all the tribe's votes have been assigned.
EXAMPLE: Four candidates are running for Consul. Each tribe casts two
votes, because there are two vacant positions. In tribe III, there are
26 votes for candidate A, 32 votes for candidate B, 2 votes for
candidate C, and 13 votes for candidate D. The tribe's two votes are
cast for candidates A and B, since they received the two highest vote
totals within the tribe.
2. In the case of a vote on a lex, each tribe shall vote in favor of the
lex if a majority of the votes received by members of the tribe are in
favor. Otherwise, the tribe shall be considered to have voted against
the proposed lex.
3. Should a tie occur within a given tribe, the winner shall be the
candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall not
decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores may
decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
B. A vote or election shall be decided by a majority of the tribes.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, candidates must receive votes
from at least 18 of the 35 tribes in order to win.
a. Should not enough candidates receive votes from at least 18 of the 35
tribes to fill all vacancies, a new election shall be called within 30
days from the end of the current election.
b. Should more candidates receive votes from at least 18 of the 35
tribes than there are vacancies, the winner shall be the candidate who
is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall not decide the
issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores may decide how
such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
2. In the case of a vote on a lex, 18 of the 35 tribes must vote in
favor for the lex to be adopted.
C. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the rogatores
determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as, a manual
count.
D. Only the aggregate votes of the tribes shall be delivered to the
presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizens shall be secret.
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:49:26 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete Omnes,
I am trying a new version for Apollonia Acta, hoping I
will have more luck this time.
For the E-cards, the provider did not find yet where
is the problem. I am just beginning to suspect where
this problem could be...
Otherwise, my sister just got a new baby girl,
Cassandra, I am off to Marseilles, France, for a
while!!
Exotic beasts from Africa and Asia were captured ready
for slaughter in the Colosseum in Rome by army units
and civilian hunters virtually unknown to history,
even though they matched gladiators for daring,
according to new research.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4436401,00.html
On the shores of the Sea of Galilee, Israeli
archaeologists have uncovered what they believe are
the remains of a Roman stadium from the time of Jesus,
where thousands watched horse races, track events and
boat races on long, man-made pools.
http://www.nj.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0451_BC_Israel-RomanStadium&&news&newsflash-international
Nearly 2,000 years ago, the western German city of
Xanten was one of the largest Roman settlements north
of the Alps. For the past 25 years, archeologists have
been reconstructing the ancient town.
http://dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1441_A_579491_1_A,00.html
CASHING IN ON THE COLOSSEUM controversial plan to
privatize management of Rome's Colosseum and the
Pompeii archaeological site has now become law.
Devised by Italy's minister of culture, Giuliano
Urbani, the plan offers five-year contracts to private
companies to manage the sites in exchange for donating
a portion of their profits to the state. Urbani claims
that competitive market forces will end neglect,
bureaucratic indifference, and poor management at
these popular sites. The plan has been widely
criticized by current and former directors of 37 of
the world's leading museums, including London's
National Gallery, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and
the Louvre. They argue that the cultural heritage of
Europe belongs to the nation states and must be
maintained and preserved by scientists,
conservationists, and museum directors employed by the
state, not by private companies who will profit from
its management. It remains to be seen to what extent
the experience of the visitor to some of Italy's
best-loved sites will change. Will there one day be
golden arches atop the Porta Marina, the entrance to
ancient Pompeii?--JARRETT A. LOBELL
The remains of a monumental public building
archeologists think may be a stadium from the first
century CE have been found during a dig on the grounds
of the Galei Kinneret Hotel in Tiberias.
http://www.jpost.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1023716498987
ARCHAEOLOGISTS excavating an ancient sea port near the
border of Egypt and Sudan have found evidence of a
trade in gems, spices and fabric between the Roman
Empire and India 2000 years ago that rivals that of
the Silk Road.
http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,4504194%255E703,00.html
Valete,
=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Acting Praefectus for France, Sodalitatis Egressus
Terrarum dea gentiumque, Roma
Cui par est nihil et nihil secundum.
__________________________________________________
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|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: BENE GESSERIT |
| From: |
"gaiuscoriolanus" <jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:28:14 -0000 |
|
Slavete
From: http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/q076.htm -
"QUAMDIU SE BENE GESSERIT - As long as he shall behave himself well.
It is another way to explain it (maybe).
Coriolanus
PS: I know DUNE chronicles very good, I've just wanted to find origin
of this word.
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Marcelus Arminius Faustus Mariliensis"
<mafmariliensis@h...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> BENE GESSERIT, the creation of the genious Frank Herbert on the
best novel
> of all times, DUNE!
>
> The Bene Gesserit is a religous Sisterhood of womens with awesome
powers and
> secret objectives, which the official matter is "to help the grow
of the
> mankind", but was described as the ENGINEERING OF RELIGION. Its
literary
> genesis has a lot of psicological Yunguian theorys, but also a lot
of reals
> elements of very organized and ancient churchs as the Roman
Catholic.
>
> Bene Gesserit is a "mix" of radicals from hebraic/arabic and
latin/greek
> language: It means "Sisterhood" (Bene) of "Nutrition"
or "Generation".
> Remember the radicals in Venus "GENITRIX". Also even on Dune
the "Bene
> Tleilax" of the strange cientifical amoralists tleilaxu are a
brotherhood.
>
> The son of Frank Herbert, Brian Herbert, has a project to specially
write a
> book about the creation of the Sisterhood of Bene Gesserit for the
future.
>
> Salve iterum. Siaynoq! I'm very pleased to see people interested on
Dune.
> "In the name of our sacred sisterhood..."
>
> Marcelus Arminius Faustus Mariliensis
>
>
> >From: labienus@t...
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@y...
> >To: Nova-Roma@y...
> >Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] BENE GESSERIT
> >Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:39:15 US/Central
> >
> >Salvete Coriolane et alii
> >
> > > BENE GESSERIT
> > >
> > > Some friend said that this means something like "well behaved"
Is she
> > > right?
> >
> >I don't know enough Latin to say for certain, but she's probably
wrong
> >though
> >close. 'Gesserit' is a form of the verb 'gero', which means 'to
bear
> >about', 'bear', 'carry', 'wear', 'have', 'hold', or 'sustain'.
>From what I
> >can
> >tell, it may be better translated, "It shall be borne well,"
or "May it
> >bear
> >well." Hopefully, someone more literate than I will be able to
give you a
> >more
> >definite answer.
> >
> >Valete
> >T Labienus Fortunatus
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Bene Gesserit |
| From: |
"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:42:00 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Re: "Quamdiu se bene gesserit." (As long as he shall
behave himself well)
'Behave' and 'carry' or 'bear' can be construed to
have somewhat similar meanings, at least, in English.
If we say, 'He bore that well,' we mean that 'He
behaved well, despite pain or disappointment.'
Works for me!
---
Renata Corva, now happily on digest mode. Many
thanks, Marcus Octavius!
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Praeceptor Acceptance |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:17:49 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Honored Citizens of Nova Roma;
It is with humble countenance and great honor do I accept the position
of Praeceptor of Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova.
I, James Lee Mathews, "Marcus Minucius Audens," do hereby solemly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act aways in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Minucius Audens, swear to honor
the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the
Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Marcus Mnucius Audens, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana
as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that
would threaten it's status as the State Religion.
I, Marcus Minucius Audens, swear to protect and defend the Constitution
of Nova Roma.
I, Marcus Minucius Audens, further swear t fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Praeceptor to the Academia Thules ad
Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by thier will and favor, do I
acept the position of Praeceptor to the Academia Thules ad Studia Romana
Antiqua et Nova and all the rights and privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendat thereto.
Note 1:----while I do not believe that the position of Praeceptor
qualifies as yet as a Magistrate under the Nova Roma Constitution, I
have followed the Lex Iunia de Iusiurando as it was written.
Note 2:----Since I am not currently a member of the Nova Roma Thule
List, I would ask my colleague Senator Quintillianus to forward this
message to the said list, and to provide me with another invitation to
said list, if such an invitation is applicable.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Chainquiz XIII |
| From: |
"curiobritannicus" <Marcusaemiliusscaurus@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:02:03 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes,
The next question is upon us! Only a few people answered yesterday's
question correctly, but the first was Manius Constantinus Serapio who
knew that it was Gaius Iulius Caesar's ashes who were supposed to lie
within globe on top of the obelisk.
He asks: Which were the biggest Baths of Rome?
If you know the answer, please e-mail me at
marcusscribonius@hotmail.com with your answer, your Roman name, and
the question you would like to ask.
Bene valete,
Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus.
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Fwd: Re: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM NOVA ROMA FORUM GUIDELINES |
| From: |
"Susan Brett" <trog99@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:37:38 -0400 |
|
>From: Susan Brett <pompeia_cornelia@yahoo.ca>
>To: Trog99@hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM NOVA ROMA FORUM GUIDELINES
>Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:40:57 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--- Susan Brett <pompeia_cornelia@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On behalf of the Office of the Praetors:
> > P. Cornelia Strabo Omnibus Nova Roma Mainlist S.P.D.
> >
> > By consular edictum issued by Marcus Octavius
> > Germanicus, and by subsequent will of the citizens
> > of
> > Nova Roma through electorial process of comitia, The
> > Office of the Praetor hereby issues revised
> > guidelines
> > to Forum Communications, to wit,
> > Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Some of the text and policies shall remain
> > unchanged,
> > and I thank both Patricia Cassia, and despite recent
> > circumstance, the former P. Vedia Serena, for their
> > contributions to both this text and to making the
> > mainlist a safer, enjoyable place in which to
> > communicate.
> >
> > These guidelines are not a rote attempt at
> > censorship,
> > but rather, a tool to keep communications as
> > appropriate and enjoyable as possible for everyone.
> > This way we can all celebrate our Roman heritage.
> >
> > I. The Nova Roma forum (herein referred to as 'the
> > list') is set up so that replies will automatically
> > be
> > sent to the entire list. Please keep this in mind
> > when you are replying. You are not issuing a
> > private
> > email. If your reply is intended for only one
> > member,
> > and has no benefit to the rest of the list
> > subscribers, consider sending it privately.
> >
> > II. "Me too" posts, or "I hear you" posts are not
> > against the law, but they are discouraged, unless
> > you
> > are expanding on the issue in a way other than the
> > current facts presented.
> >
> > III. Please trim your posts!! Some threads can end
> > up being as large as 50K when all the replies are
> > tagged on to an initial post. This fills up folks'
> > mailboxes rather rapidly, which can result in their
> > emails from other venues from being bounced. When
> > you
> > have cut a portion of another persons post for
> > purposes of brevity, please indicate you have done
> > so
> > by printing 'snipped' at that spot.
> >
> > IV. If you feel you must dispute or criticize
> > another
> > person's post, consider doing so in private.
> > Sometimes a person makes a genuine mistake, and your
> > gentle correction via private email means much more
> > to
> > them than potentially embarrassing them in the forum
> > over what is an innocent error. I know that during
> > political debates, private exchanges are
> > impractical.
> > Please use discretion in this area.
> >
> > V. It is entirely appropriate to disagree
> > publicaly
> > with another's stated views or another's actions as
> > they report such, or with the actions of Nova Roma's
> > Magistrates, Senate or otherwise appointed
> > officials.
> > Nova Roma is an organization of individuals from a
> > wide variety of nations, religions, cultural
> > backgrounds and political viewpoints, and it is only
> > reasonable that our views should differ.
> >
> > It is not the disagreement per se which is
> > inappropriate, it is the manner in which we deliver
> > our opposing viewpoints. When expressing
> > disagreements, the following steps are recommended:
> >
> > * Express respect for the person and the
> > entitlement
> > to his opinion, and faith in his or her good
> > intentions.
> >
> > * Point out any themes in which you do not agree.
> >
> > * If in the criticism of a person's actions,
> > perhaps
> > in the capacity of a magistrate or senator, point
> > out
> > specifically which actions you are referring
> > to...perhaps quote the message number of the post in
> > which you base your account and opinions. This
> > makes
> > things more objective and often helpful to the
> > person
> > in question, as to what, specifically, you are
> > referring to, and your issues with same.
> >
> > * in an academic debate, endeavor to offer
> > references
> > to back up your assertions.
> >
> > * Be pleasant in the expression of your opinion,
> > with
> > respect for the rights of others to believe
> > differently from you.
> >
> > * In the case of religious discussions, kindly
> > confine
> > your comments regarding other religions. It is
> > fine
> > to say that you do not agree with their spiritual
> > path
> > and why, but it is not ok to disrespect others or to
> > embarrass them for their beliefs. Treat others as
> > you
> > would like to be treated. There are many people
> > here,
> > of differing religious backgrounds. It is a shame
> > for
> > people to feel they must leave because their
> > religious
> > path is being attacked in the forum. It is not only
> > a
> > shame, it is against list guidelines and
> > constitutional articles on discrimination.
> >
> > Further,it is absolutely 'not' OK to:
> >
> > use profane language, misrepresent the truth for the
> > purpose of making another person look foolish, call
> > other's names, criticize a poster's personal
> > character
> > as opposed to criticizing his ideas, make
> > derrogatory,belittling, subjective statements about
> > the Gods and Goddess of Rome (quoting from a myth
> > does not apply) or belittle deities of other
> > religions
> > for entertainment. Further, in the interests of
> > those
> > under 18, sexual references must be strictly within
> > the context of an historical discussion. Otherwise,
> > they are to be made in private.
> >
> > The arbitrary advertisment of goods and services
> > (SPAM) is not permitted on the Nova Roma mainlist,
> > unless the advertiser is a member of Nova Roma's
> > marketplace, the Macellum. Macellum merchants are
> > welcome to advertise from time to time in a low-key
> > fashion. This entails a signature line/file, a
> > one-time announcement of initial affiliation with
> > the
> > Macellum, advertising in response to a post of
> > inquiry made in the forum, or an ad once every three
> > months or so advertising your presence in the
> > Macellum.
> >
> > VI If you read a post which upsets you, and you are
> > angry or sad, consider replying to the poster in
> > private, telling him how you feel. Perhaps ask him
> > to
> > clarify his position If you are angry, wait 24
> > hours
> > before responding. All too often email can be
> > misinterpreted, especially if you haven't known the
> > poster for very long. Everyone has their 'writing
> > style' and it takes time to get to know peoples'
> > various 'expressions'. Quite often no harm or
> > insult
> > was intended at all.
> >
> > If you would like to talk to me confidentially about
> > a
> > particular post, please contact me at the above
> > address.
> >
> > VII: During the time leading up to elections (held
> > each December and occasionally at other times if
> > offices become vacant) this list is one of the
> > forums
> > where candidates express their views and present
> > their
> > qualifications to the populace. All of the
> > strictures
> > governing appropriate behaviour mentioned hereto,
> > shall remain in place and apply to all candidates
> > and
> > their supporters.
> >
> > VII: Please do not give out personal information ie
> > address, phone number to the list. While it would
> > be
> > pleasant to believe we are all good-hearted and
> > sane,
> > we are not; you cannot trust in that.
> >
> > VII: Due to the influxes of SPAM and past incidents
> >
>=== message truncated ===
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] new citizen |
| From: |
"gaius_constantinus_flavius" <fistfullofdust@angelfire.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:17:17 -0000 |
|
hello everyone.. I was just accepted as a citizen. Just figured I
would drop in to say hi. I will be back with some conversation later.
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: new citizen (Gaius Constantinus Flavius) |
| From: |
"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:55:44 -0000 |
|
AVE GAI CONSTANTINE FLAVI
I am Manius Constantinus Serapio and welcome you to Nova Roma and
to our Gens!
I aslo would like to tell you that your name has already been
inserted in the web site of the Gens Constantinia.
You probably didn't know that our gens has one. Well, you can find it
at:
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/constantinia-en
If you want, you can send me a photograph of you; I would put it near
your name in the members page.
VALE BENE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
Legatus Externis rebus - Provincia Italia
Dominus Praefectus - Sodalitas Egressus
---------------------------
***Ludi Apollinares***
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix
Provincia italia: http://italia.novaroma.org
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Regarding the List Guidelines I Just Posted |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:48:09 -0000 |
|
Salvete Omnes:
Evidentally The Revised Forum Guidelines are not appearing in their
completeness.
It all started when I mistyped an addie and ending up forwarding to
another address to get it to post here from the address from which I
originally pennned the guidelines. What a shamazle!!!!
I will retype them and post the complete text tonight.
I am sorry for the inconvenience. I am truly not having a good time
with my computer, or my brain today....alas.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Praetor
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PRAETORIUM NOVA ROMA FORUM GUIDELINES (fwd) |
| From: |
Matt Haase <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:53:06 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Forwarded.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:08:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Susan Brett <pompeia_cornelia@yahoo.ca>
To: NovaRoma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Labienus@Texas.net, Consuls@novaroma.org
Subject: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM NOVA ROMA FORUM GUIDELINES
On behalf of the Office of the Praetors:
P. Cornelia Strabo Omnibus Nova Roma Mainlist S.P.D.
By consular edictum issued by Marcus Octavius
Germanicus, and by subsequent will of the citizens of
Nova Roma through electorial process of comitia, The
Office of the Praetor hereby issues revised guidelines
to Forum Communications, to wit,
Nova_Roma@yahoogroups.com
Some of the text and policies shall remain unchanged,
and I thank both Patricia Cassia, and despite recent
circumstance, the former P. Vedia Serena, for their
contributions to both this text and to making the
mainlist a safer, enjoyable place in which to
communicate.
These guidelines are not a rote attempt at censorship,
but rather, a tool to keep communications as
appropriate and enjoyable as possible for everyone.
This way we can all celebrate our Roman heritage.
I. The Nova Roma forum (herein referred to as 'the
list') is set up so that replies will automatically be
sent to the entire list. Please keep this in mind
when you are replying. You are not issuing a private
email. If your reply is intended for only one member,
and has no benefit to the rest of the list
subscribers, consider sending it privately.
II. "Me too" posts, or "I hear you" posts are not
against the law, but they are discouraged, unless you
are expanding on the issue in a way other than the
current facts presented.
III. Please trim your posts!! Some threads can end
up being as large as 50K when all the replies are
tagged on to an initial post. This fills up folks'
mailboxes rather rapidly, which can result in their
emails from other venues from being bounced. When you
have cut a portion of another persons post for
purposes of brevity, please indicate you have done so
by printing 'snipped' at that spot.
IV. If you feel you must dispute or criticize another
person's post, consider doing so in private.
Sometimes a person makes a genuine mistake, and your
gentle correction via private email means much more to
them than potentially embarrassing them in the forum
over what is an innocent error. I know that during
political debates, private exchanges are impractical.
Please use discretion in this area.
V. It is entirely appropriate to disagree publicaly
with another's stated views or another's actions as
they report such, or with the actions of Nova Roma's
Magistrates, Senate or otherwise appointed officials.
Nova Roma is an organization of individuals from a
wide variety of nations, religions, cultural
backgrounds and political viewpoints, and it is only
reasonable that our views should differ.
It is not the disagreement per se which is
inappropriate, it is the manner in which we deliver
our opposing viewpoints. When expressing
disagreements, the following steps are recommended:
* Express respect for the person and the entitlement
to his opinion, and faith in his or her good
intentions.
* Point out any themes in which you do not agree.
* If in the criticism of a person's actions, perhaps
in the capacity of a magistrate or senator, point out
specifically which actions you are referring
to...perhaps quote the message number of the post in
which you base your account and opinions. This makes
things more objective and often helpful to the person
in question, as to what, specifically, you are
referring to, and your issues with same.
* in an academic debate, endeavor to offer references
to back up your assertions.
* Be pleasant in the expression of your opinion, with
respect for the rights of others to believe
differently from you.
* In the case of religious discussions, kindly confine
your comments regarding other religions. It is fine
to say that you do not agree with their spiritual path
and why, but it is not ok to disrespect others or to
embarrass them for their beliefs. Treat others as you
would like to be treated. There are many people here,
of differing religious backgrounds. It is a shame for
people to feel they must leave because their religious
path is being attacked in the forum. It is not only a
shame, it is against list guidelines and
constitutional articles on discrimination.
Further,it is absolutely 'not' OK to:
use profane language, misrepresent the truth for the
purpose of making another person look foolish, call
other's names, criticize a poster's personal character
as opposed to criticizing his ideas, make
derrogatory,belittling, subjective statements about
the Gods and Goddess of Rome (quoting from a myth
does not apply) or belittle deities of other religions
for entertainment. Further, in the interests of those
under 18, sexual references must be strictly within
the context of an historical discussion. Otherwise,
they are to be made in private.
The arbitrary advertisment of goods and services
(SPAM) is not permitted on the Nova Roma mainlist,
unless the advertiser is a member of Nova Roma's
marketplace, the Macellum. Macellum merchants are
welcome to advertise from time to time in a low-key
fashion. This entails a signature line/file, a
one-time announcement of initial affiliation with the
Macellum, advertising in response to a post of
inquiry made in the forum, or an ad once every three
months or so advertising your presence in the
Macellum.
VI If you read a post which upsets you, and you are
angry or sad, consider replying to the poster in
private, telling him how you feel. Perhaps ask him to
clarify his position If you are angry, wait 24 hours
before responding. All too often email can be
misinterpreted, especially if you haven't known the
poster for very long. Everyone has their 'writing
style' and it takes time to get to know peoples'
various 'expressions'. Quite often no harm or insult
was intended at all.
If you would like to talk to me confidentially about a
particular post, please contact me at the above
address.
VII: During the time leading up to elections (held
each December and occasionally at other times if
offices become vacant) this list is one of the forums
where candidates express their views and present their
qualifications to the populace. All of the strictures
governing appropriate behaviour mentioned hereto,
shall remain in place and apply to all candidates and
their supporters.
VII: Please do not give out personal information ie
address, phone number to the list. While it would be
pleasant to believe we are all good-hearted and sane,
we are not; you cannot trust in that.
VII: Due to the influxes of SPAM and past incidents
of posts from those who wish nothing but to cause
disruption and insult to the list, or particular
subscribers of the list, to wit, TROLLS, it has become
necessary to place all new list members on Moderated
Status, just until we are satisfied that such persons
are indeed here to celebrate aspects of Roma Antiquita
and Nova Roma, as opposed to being here for
unjustifiable reasons. This is unfortunate, but it
has proved necessary.
IV: Language Policies
The forum of Roma Antiquita was a large venue, with
people of different languages conversing, a few in
this corner, a few in that corner. Rome was a very
mulicultured place in her glory. Mind you official
information was in Latin, and in some cases Greek, but
people were free to speak informally as they wished in
the language of their choice. Our constitution
mandates freedom of communication provided it is not
dangerous or disruptive.
Because of the restrictions of the language knowledge
of the list moderator, coupled with some trouble from
TROLLS and SPAM, we needed an English translation with
each post.
Since we have several magistrates or legates who are
willing to assist with list moderation, 'informal'**
communication in the forum is open to most main
languages. Feel free to post in English, Latin,
Italian, Portugese, Spanish, German, French, Russian,
Norweigan, Finnish, Swedish, the Slavik languages. The
Praetors have many to thank for efforts in this
regard, and I shall do so in a separate post.
***Exception: This does not contravene the Lex
Cornelia de Linguis Publicus
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lege/index/html
which stipulates, though electoral mandate, that any
offical government legislation or priestly decrees
must be issued in English or Latin where applicable,
so they can be translated verbatim into other
languages to be more easily understood by the entirety
of the populace. For further clarification, please
click on the link provided.
So, if you are weak in written English and wish to
greet the populace in your own native language, I hope
the selection of languages here is helpful.
I am always happy to add to this list of languages we
offer services in, commensurate with those available
to moderate posts in said languages.
Since this is a new initiative, this system is on a
trial basis for about three months. If it is not
function efficiently, we will review and amend as
necessary, but I do not anticipate any problems.
X. Topics of Discussion
The topic of this list is Ancient Rome and Nova Roma.
The best posts include those which help us better
understand some aspect of Roman history, or which
offer ideas and energy to the furtherance of Nova
Roma's goals. On-topic postings include, but are not
limited to:
Anything related to ancient history. This is broadly
iterpreted to include religion, cooking gardening,
family life, politics, military, costuming, medicine
and many other topics.
Anything having the effect of building community among
list members, ie announcements of local events,
planning of get-togethers, sharing occasional personal
milestones.
Information of interest to Nova Romans (links, news,
tourism information for Roman sites, updates from
political or religious bodies relative to Nova Roma,
regional or Sodalitas projects.
The Praetors reserve the right, by their imperium to
call a halt to discussions which prove to be
off-topic, offensive, and/or dangerous and disruptive
as per the stipulations of the consitution of Nova
Roma.
Please do not discuss well-worn and off-topic
controversies like gun control, abortion. Please take
these discussions privately.
XI: The Praetors have the imperium to govern the
list, but prefer to encourage postive interaction as
opposed to punishing negative behaviour. In the case
of a poster whose actions violate these guidelines
aforementioned, the following escalated courses of
action shall be taken:
A private memo from the Praetors' office or a Scribal
designate, stating the incident of infarction, and a
reminder to review the guidelines. Often people who
are new to the list are not intentionally trying to
upset anybody.
Another private memo as above.
Moderated status (the poster may post but all posts
they issue are first reviewed by the Praetors or their
designate). The length of moderation shall be
determined by the number of offences in the past, the
severity of the violation, and the intent to violate.
(For example: Nobody is going to be placed on
moderated status for an extended time for failure to
trim posts or for saying 'me too')
In very 'extreme' cases, one could be permanently
dismissed from the list, or in the case of citizens, a
note to the Censors could be issued recommending a
Nota.
Such decision will be carefully weighed in consulting
the Constitution of Nova Roma and these guidelines.
These guidelines are subject to amendment as necessary
by the Praetors.
If you have any questions regarding list policies,
please do not hesistate to contact me.
Dated June 21 2755, in the Consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus et Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix II
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