Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Kid's Activities
From:	"pjane64" <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:20:01 -0000

That was a delightful summation, Marcus Minucius! While the
Roman Market Day in Maine this fall will likely be a somewhat
smaller event, we hope to have a children's table available and
will no doubt adapt some of the ideas that have worked at
Roman Days.

Patricia Cassia

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] VENATIONES - LVDI APOLLINARES
From:	"Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:39:31 -0700

Salve Quirites!
Who'll wager that my Venator Invictus can't live through a wild, wild hunt?
Think you can train a better hunter for the arena? Register your own!

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] coin pouch
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:22:27 EDT

In a message dated 6/23/02 6:10:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, asseri@aol.com
writes:


> If I am remembering correctly a toga would be folded and pleated so
> that a pocket would be created.
Salvete
True. It is called the sinus. Usually your vellum for your notes could be
rolled up and could be inserted there.
Togate citizens did not carry money. It would be carried by the body slave,
or usually known citizens ran tabs. During client mornings, as well as
clients, the merchant would appear to collect his fee. Lesser citizens may
have carried pouches, but nothing archeologically, or in literature has
turned up anything. It was the barbarians that introduced pockets to Rome in
the seventh century. A Byzantine historian laments that " ...have ruined the
simple lines of our tunics, by including stitched cloths so they (Germanic
barbarian mercenaries) can carry tokens and trifles."

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Cultural Contribution Vote - Results
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:22:07 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

It was a great honor to be mentioned on this list among these great
citizens. I am sure that I could mention a few more that should have
been there, still both those who are mentioned together with me have
been more active than me in this respect.

I now want to congratulate Illustrus Antonius Gryllus Graecus to his
win. I think that he is a very worthy winner, he has with his monthly
religious comments and support for everything Roman made a great job!

>Salvete omnes,
>
>The vote has drawn to a close, and you will be pleased to know that
>each of your votes had immense influence - the winner was only one
>vote ahead of the other two!
>
>A week ago, I asked you all to vote for the three people who had
>gained most votes in the previous vote:
>
>Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>Marcus Minucius Audens
>
>Each of these has contributed a great deal to Nova Roma, and I salute
>each of you good men for being in the shortlist. However, the
>winner, by one vote, was Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
>
>Congratulations, Antonius Gryllus Graecus! While no material prize
>rewards you, may I be the first to congratulate you! You have given
>much to Nova Roma, and I hope you are pleased by this recognition of
>all the work you have done.
>
>Once again, congratulations to all three men, but especially Antonius
>Gryllus Graecus.
>
>Bene valete,
>Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus.
>
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Cultural Contribution Vote - Results
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:48:54 -0000

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Salve Pontiff Antonius Gryllus Graecus;

Many congratulations on receiving this well-deserved honour, and my
personal thanks for all you do for Nova Roma.

Bene vale,

Pompeia Cornelia


In Nova-Roma@y..., "curiobritannicus" <Marcusaemiliusscaurus@h...>
wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> The vote has drawn to a close, and you will be pleased to know that
> each of your votes had immense influence - the winner was only one
> vote ahead of the other two!
>
> A week ago, I asked you all to vote for the three people who had
> gained most votes in the previous vote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Each of these has contributed a great deal to Nova Roma, and I
salute
> each of you good men for being in the shortlist. However, the
> winner, by one vote, was Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
>
> Congratulations, Antonius Gryllus Graecus! While no material prize
> rewards you, may I be the first to congratulate you! You have
given
> much to Nova Roma, and I hope you are pleased by this recognition
of
> all the work you have done.
>
> Once again, congratulations to all three men, but especially
Antonius
> Gryllus Graecus.
>
> Bene valete,
> Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus.

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] VENATIONES Challenge
From:	"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:24:06 -0000

AVETE OMNES

Hey Hey! Here is a true challenge to all novaromans by one who will
take part to the Venationes!!!
Come on, people!
Accept the challenge!!! Keep a fighter and make him/her battle in the
arena against the beasts!!!!!

http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix

VALETE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
Legatus Externis Rebus - Provincia Italia
Dominus Praefectus - Sodalitas Egressus
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--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus"
<ahenobarbus@h...> wrote:
>
> Salve Quirites!
> Who'll wager that my Venator Invictus can't live through a wild,
wild hunt?
> Think you can train a better hunter for the arena? Register your
own!
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Award
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:56:32 -0400 (EDT)

Pontiff / Sacerdos Militarium Antonius Graecus;

I offer you my sincerest congatulations. It is an award fairly won and
most deserved. Were I in your city I would place a laurel leaf on your
brw, and take you and your lovely wife to dinner at your favorite
restaurant. Alas our dstance apart does not allow such immediately, but
must be delayed until our meeting in the future, should our dieties
smile upon such a plan.

In absence of a face-to-face, my friend, I offer you the highest praise
of the Navy in which I served for twenty year.--Sir, I give you avery
hearty and thee times, "WELL DONE!!!"

Respectfully and With Great Pride;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] latin reading
From:	"gaius galerius viator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:06:26 +0000

Salve Cl. Salix Davianus

Regarding Latin accent, I agree with you to a certain point, that we may
find in the peripheries archaisms that are lost elsewhere. But that could
only serve to support a proposition already established. I would even
include in that category major Roman centers where Latin flourished, and, in
fact, even sustained a literary tradition such as France and the Iberian
peninsula simply because there are too many layers over the original Latin.
As an example, if you would filter out Celtic, Visigoth, and Arabic
influences on Spanish, it would sound very close to Italian. Italian has
less of such linguistic layers and influences, and Italy is the natural
place to look for how an Italic language sounded like.
We live in an age of TV and radio that made speech uniform within
national bounderies, with relatively little variation, and we automatically
assume that to have been always the case. Gallia and Hispania were
conquered lands, and there lived people who spoke a variety of languages and
they would certainly have added their own linguistic variations into their
Latin. So Latin varied from region to region reflecting local linguistic
patterns of the conquered lands. More the reason to look in Italy; why look
at copies when you could have the original.
But my main argument is the question of accent itself in speech. Accent
is a function of correct pronunciation; no easy task. If pronunciation is
done correctly then accent will come out on its own, ( And I say this as
one who speaks several languages ),and correct pronunciation involves the
correct placement of the tongue and lips, and voice pitch. That forms a
linguistic pattern particular to the group. That linguistic pattern of a
language forms a permanent feature of the landscape. It does not disappear
unless one ethnically cleanse the whole population.
Only a few days ago, with the World Cup going on in Korea, I saw a
report on TV about Korea that illustrates this very nicely:
In Korea there are people who are resorting to a surgical procedure in the
mouth to better be able to pronounce English. And of course, those same
Koreans, were they born and reared in, say, America, would have no problem
pronouncing their English. Geography does matter, and that's why Italian is
the closest to Latin.
If you pronounce your vowels and consonants correctly, the rest is
music, and we all know that to hear good music you must go to Italy.
I am open to contrary opinions, and welcome any criticism.

Vale
Gaius Galerius Viator.


>From: "Claudius Salix Davianus" <salixdavianus@terra.es>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] latin reading
>Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:54:39 +0200
>
>Salue G. Galeri Viator:
>
>There are many reason for wich Italian musn't be considered the closest
>accetn to Italian (only in prosody, but other romanic languages preserve
>other aspects better). It is a common error to think in geographic
>continuants as more closed to the ancient languages. But in general are
>peripheral areas those that preserver better archaisms. You can see the
>example of Scottish English that in many respects are more closest to the
>Shakespearean English thant RP of London (specially lacking the great vowel
>shift).
>
>Cl. Salix Davianus
>
>


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] coin pouch
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:37:52 EDT

Salvete, F. A. Drusila, Q. Fabius Maximus et omnes

Thank you both for your insights in how Romans carried money. But what about
those citizens who were wearing only a tunic? Or how did the legionaries
carry their money after they were paid?

Bene vale,

Gaius Lanius Falco


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