| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] What Can a Kid Do in Nova Roma? |
| From: |
"Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:29:09 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Hi, Gallus! You asked a good question. I wonder if
there is any information available on Roman children's
games. Maybe it would be possible to create
something, yourself--in other words, imagine a game
that Roman children might have played and create rules
for it.
Another fun thing you can do is Roman cooking.
There's a cookbook called _Roman Cookery,_ by Mark
Grant that you should be able to get at a bookstore or
through Amazon.com. It has Roman recipes in it.
Something else you might be able to do is write your
own Roman-themed plays and make them available for
others to act in. You probably aren't a fan of
_Little Women,_ but hey, if Jo March could do it, so
can you.
Another idea might be building your own chariot. Have
you ever seen Junkyard Wars? People will go out into
a junkyard and use the stuff they find there to build
things you'd never believe they could put together,
but they do. That might be a thought.
If you know of an adult who knows how to do
leatherworking, that person might be able to teach you
or others how to make leather sandals in the Roman
style.
Or, last idea, you could have a toga party, but in
real togas. (g)
Hope that helps!
---
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| Subject: |
AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cultural Contribution Vote - Results |
| From: |
<3s@hsk-net.de> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:36:37 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salvete,
also my heartful congrats to Antonius Gryllus Graecus. Contrbutions must be rewarded. You earned the reward well.
Bene Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor, Senator
-- Original Nachricht--
Von: pompeia_cornelia <trog99@hotmail.com>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Senden: 24.06.2002
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cultural Contribution Vote - Results
---
Salve Pontiff Antonius Gryllus Graecus;
Many congratulations on receiving this well-deserved honour, and my
personal thanks for all you do for Nova Roma.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
In Nova-Roma@y...,
"curiobritannicus" <Marcusaemiliusscaurus@h...>
wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> The vote has drawn to a close, and you will be pleased to know that
> each of your votes had immense influence - the winner was only one
> vote ahead of the other two!
>
> A week ago, I asked you all to vote for the three people who had
> gained most votes in the previous vote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Each of these has contributed a great deal to Nova Roma, and I
salute
> each of you good men for being in the shortlist. However, the
> winner, by one vote, was Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
>
> Congratulations, Antonius Gryllus Graecus! While no material prize
> rewards you, may I be the first to congratulate you! You have
given
> much to Nova Roma, and I hope you are pleased by this recognition
of
> all the work you have done.
>
> Once again, congratulations to all three men, but especially
Antonius
> Gryllus Graecus.
>
> Bene valete,
> Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus.
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Cultural Contribution Vote - Results |
| From: |
"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:51:13 -0000 |
|
AVETE OMNES
I aslo would like to congratulate Antonius Gryllus Graecus for his
cultural contribution award.
With no doubt it is absolutely deserved!
VALETE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] *other curiosities about the first novaroman Venationes* |
| From: |
"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:24:23 -0000 |
|
AVETE OMNES
I am here again to carry on giving you some kind detail about the
first Venationes of Nova Roma, organized for the Ludi Apollinares by
the Aedilis Plebis Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix Administration.
This time I will speak about the four Ludi we have in our
Venationes.
A Ludus was a place where gladiators trained in ancient Rome. They
even slept and ate here.
In Rome there were several important Ludi (the biggest one was the
Ludus Magnus), but Venatores (also called Bestiarii) in particular
trained in the Ludus Matutinus.
In the novaroman Venationes the Ludus Matutinus is the best one: it
gives to your fighter the opportunity of improving his abilities more
than elsewhere.
However, we have other three Ludi: Leontinum, Tauriscum and
Pentasium.
Where do these names come from? Obviously they are not invented!
You must know that the popularity of Venationes brought about the
birth of professional venatorial associations.
Very celebrated were african Venatores, united in guilds. These
guilds were those of the Leontii, the Taurisci and the Pentasii, so
their name became Leontinum, Tauriscum and Pentasium.
Each of them had a particular symbol.
Leontinum: a millet branch
Tauriscum: an ivy branch
Pentasium: a five-tip crown
That's all for today!
I strongly invite you to join the first Venationes of Nova Roma!!!
Visit the Ludi Apollinares Web Site at
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix
only other 11 citizens will have the opportunity of seeing their
fighter battle in the arena against the beasts!!!
BENE VALETE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
***LVDI APOLLINARES***
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Reminder: Literary contest (Ludi Apollinares) |
| From: |
"consulromanus" <consulromanus@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:09:22 -0000 |
|
Salvete!
During the Ludi Apollinares (July 6-13) different
contests will be held (see our website, the address is
at the bottom of this mail).
One of them is a literary contest, where Nova Romans
may compete by writing a text, prose, poetry or drama,
about a Roman-related subject (ancient and Nova Roma).
Here are the rules of this contest:
LITERARY CONTEST
1) This literary contest is organized by aedilis
plebis Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix, with the support
of his two assistents and the praetores. The contest
is open to all citizens of Nova Roma. To participate,
one has to write a text (drama, poetry or prose) about
a Roman subject (this covers a very wide range of
possible subjects!).
2) Each participant can participate with just one
work. The contributed work must be in English, with a
maximum of 5 pages (standard A4 format). MS Word
format is preferred.
3) The deadline to send your work is July 5, 2002
(2755 AUC), by e-mail to Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
(consulromanus@y...), and in the subject line
"LC". Don't forget to include your Nova Roma name and
email address!
4) The texts will judged by a jury (from July 6-11)
following this table of judgement:
- language style (linguistic qualities) (10 points)
- content (Roman references) (10 points)
- lay-out of the work (5 points)
- artistic value (very general) (5 points)
5) The jury will be composed as follows:
- Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix, aedilis plebis
- Manius Constantinus Serapio,
- Titus Labienus Fortunatus, praetor
- Pompeia Cornelia Strabo, praetrix
- Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, aedilis curulis
6) The participating texts will appear on the Ludi
website. The participants thus grant the copyrights of
their text to the organization accepting this
regulation. This Regulation is accepted by taking part
in the contest.
7) The winner shall be announced on the Main List and
on the website on July 13. He/She will receive a prize
from praetrix Pompeia Cornelia Strabo.
Information:
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix.html
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix: consulromanus@y...
I really hope to see many participants in this
contest!!
Valete bene
=====
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Aedilis Plebis
Coryphaeus Sodalitatis Musarum
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
civis Novae Romae
***HORUM OMNIUM FORTISSIME SUNT BELGAE***
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] What Can a Kid Do in Nova Roma? |
| From: |
StarVVreck@aol.com |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:42:08 EDT |
|
:-D The only thing I can remember from my 4 years of Latin in High School
about Children's games was the using of tame mice to pull miniature wagons or
chariots. LoL
In a message dated 6/24/2002 11:30:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
aerdensrw@yahoo.com writes:
> Hi, Gallus! You asked a good question. I wonder if
> there is any information available on Roman children's
> games.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] What Can a Kid Do in Nova Roma? |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:51:36 +0200 |
|
Salvete Quirites!
We could try to start a "Roman Youth Union" (RYU) with some nice
titles, but also some _real_ work. Work in the RYU would give CPs and
count for century placement when you become that age. What do You
think? Could this be another part of our answer to You, Honorable
Gallus Tullius Cato?
--
Valete
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
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http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
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************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?EDICTUM_PROPRAETORICIUM_V_-_COMITIA_PROVINCIAE_ITALIAE_DE_ELECTIONE_SYMBOLORVM_PROVINCIAE?= |
| From: |
"=?iso-8859-1?Q?Franciscus_Apulus_Caesar?=" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:30:14 +0200 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM V
COMITIA PROVINCIAE ITALIAE DE ELECTIONE SYMBOLORVM PROVINCIAE
Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae
I. By this Edictum the Propraetor summons the Comitia as written in the
Edictum Propraetoricium I -
par.D., for the planning and the creation of the
representative symbols of Provincia Italia, aiming to improve the feelin
g of
identification of the italic citizens with their own Provincia and to cr
eate
easy and recognizable symbols outside of Nova Rome too.
II. The symbols of the Provincia Italia will be:
1) a provincial logo
2) a provincial hymn
3) protecting and representative gods of the Provincia
III. All the italic citizens are invited to send the own proposals since
July 6th 2755 to sacro_barese_impero@libero.it [Franciscus Apulus Caesa
r].
IV. The proposals shall be in the following shapes:
1) The provincial logos, composed by representative and recognizable
symbols, shall be an image in bmp, jpg, gif, tif or fh10 formats. The im
ages
shall have a minimum resolution of 300 dpi, and 500x500 pixels as a
minimum, with sufficiently great dimensions to be reproduced on advertis
ing
materials and flags. All the proposals will be inserted at the address
http://italia.novaroma.org/logos.htm.
2) The provincial hymn can be composed only by music, or only by text or
both by music and text. The proposers shall have to send musics and text
of
the hymn, or executable in MIDI, mp3 or wav formats. All the proposals w
ill
be inserted at the address http://italia.novaroma.org/inno.htm.
3) The proposals for the protecting gods of the Province Italia shall ha
ve
an attached explanation and sent to the provincial mailing list.
V. The Comitia Provinciae Italiae will be since the Nonis to the Idiis o
f
July 2755 ( July 7th-
15th 2002) through the polls service of Yahoo!!! at the
website of the mailing list NR_Italia
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nr_italia or by e-mail, sending their own
opinion to stefano.trivisani@tin.it [Marcus Apulus Caesar] with object
"Comitia -
nova roman name". The proposals that will receive the greater number of
votes in each category will be adopted by a successive Edictum
Propraetoricium.
VI This edictum has an immediate effect. Promulgated on a.d. VII Kalenda
s
Iulias 2755 (June 25, 2002), in the year of the consuls Marcus Octavius
Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.
VII. This Edictum is approved by Curia Italica (24/04/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r21062002.txt).
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
---------------------------------------------
##### italian translation ########
---------------------------------------------
EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM V
COMITIA PROVINCIAE ITALIAE DE ELECTIONE SYMBOLORVM PROVINCIAE
Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae
I. Con questo Edictum il Propraetor indice i Comitia, come previsto
dall'Edictum I - par. D., per l'ideazione e la realizzazione della
simbologia rappresentativa della Provincia Italia, con l'obiettivo di
migliorare il sentimento di identificazione dei cittadini italinia con l
a
propria Provincia e di creare dei simboli facilmente riconoscibili anche
fuori di Nova roma.
II. La simbologia della Provincia Italia sarà composta da:
1) logo provinciale
2) inno provinciale
3) divinità protettrici e rappresentative della Provincia
III. Tutti i cittadini sono invitati a presentare le proprie proposte en
tro
il 6 Luglio 2755 a sacro_barese_impero@libero.it [Franciscus Apulus Caes
ar].
IV. Le proposte dovranno essere presentate nelle seguenti forme:
1) Il logo provinciale, composto da simboli rappresentativi e facilmente
riconoscibili, dovrà essere un'immagine in
formato .bmp, .jpg, .gif, .tif o .fh10. Le immagini dovranno essere con
risoluzione a 300 dpi, di dimensioni minime 500x500 pixel, sufficentemen
te
grandi da poter essere riprodotte su bandiera e materiale pubblicitario.
Tutte le proposte saranno inserite e visionabili all'indirizzo
http://italia.novaroma.org/logos.htm.
2) L'inno provinciale potrà essere composto solo da musica, o solo da te
sto
o da musica e testo. Il proponente dovrà inviare spartito e testo dell'i
nno,
o eseguito in formato MIDI, .mp3 o .wav. Tutte le proposte saranno inser
ite
e visionabili all'indirizzo http://italia.novaroma.org/inno.htm.
3) Le proposte per le divinità protettrici della Provincia Italia dovran
no
essere accompagnate da spiegazione ed inviate alla mailing list provinci
ale.
V. I Comitia Provinciae Italiae si svolgeranno dalle Nonis alle Idiis di
Luglio 2755 (7 -
15 Luglio 2002) tramite il servizio di sondaggio Yahoo!!
(polls) sul sito Internet della mailing list NR_Italia
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nr_italia oppure tramite e-
mail inviando il
proprio parere all'indirizzo e-mail
stefano.trivisani@tin.it [Marcus Apulus Caesar] con oggetto "Comitia -
nome
nova romano". Le proposte che riceveranno il maggior numero di voti in o
gni
categoria saranno adottata tramite un Edictum Propraetoricium
immediatamente successivo il sondaggio.
VI. Questo edictum ha effetto immediato. Promulgato il a.d. VII Kalendas
Iulias 2755 (25 Giugno, 2002), nell'anno del consolato di Marcus Octaviu
s
Germanicus e Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.
VII. Questo Edictum ha l'approvazione della Curia Italica (24/06/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r21062002.txt)
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
-----------------------------------
Thanks to Marcus Iulius Perusianus for the english translation.
The Edictum will be published at http://italia.novaroma.org too.
Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] What Can a Kid Do in Nova Roma? |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br> |
| Date: |
25 Jun 2002 13:37:10 -0300 |
|
Em Ter, 2002-06-25 às 10:51, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus escreveu:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> We could try to start a "Roman Youth Union" (RYU) with some nice
> titles, but also some _real_ work. Work in the RYU would give CPs and
> count for century placement when you become that age. What do You
> think? Could this be another part of our answer to You, Honorable
> Gallus Tullius Cato?
This seems an excellent idea, let the children form a shadow government,
in a way the exact opposite of the senate: advices from the youngsters
Vale
Manius Villius Limitanus
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Cultural Contribution Vote - Results |
| From: |
"amrcg" <antonio.grilo@inov.pt> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:27:28 -0000 |
|
Antonius Gryllus Graecus omnibus salutem
Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has voted me in this
contest, which - I confess =( - I was not aware of. I would also like
to thank the several personal friends of mine who have followed up
the announcement with their usual kind words. Moreover it is my
belief that with such a small advantage, the results do not clearly
show my advantage. I think that all the three most voted ones have
won, if not in terms of the absolute number of votes (the logic of
numbers is often illogically cruel), at least in terms of the esteem
demonstrated by the citizens of Nova Roma. And this esteem - I'm
fairly sure that the other winners will agree - is necessarily
directly proportional to the added responsibility.
And this introduces another subject, which is an apology I am owing
to you. I would like to apologize for not having been as active this
month posting the regular festivals of our sacred calendar, which is
both a fortunate and an unfortunate thing. Risking to be boring, I
nevertheless feel it is my duty to provide an explanation. It is
fortunate because two of my papers have been accepted for
publication, and this is very important for my PhD which I plan to
finish next year... It is unfortunate because those papers need a
revision and I have been working A LOT to finish them. But both
deadlines fall on July 1st, and so I will soon return to my normal
activity.
I would also like to express my desire for the winners of this year
to be beaten in the next year, which can only be a sign that new
people with more work, more study and more knowledge of roman
subjects have come to the active life of the respublica and have
replaced these old veterans in the podium of Cultural Contribution
i.e. recovering the lore of the roman ancestors, making Nova Roma
more roman in the eyes of the citizens, the simply curious and the
scholars.
And speaking of scholars, there are good news. The proceedings of the
3rd Congress of Peninsular Archaeology that took place in Portugal in
the year 2000 have just been published and I have one volume with me.
It includes a paper presented orally by me titled "Nova Roma:
Classical Rome Reborn in the Internet". It is my wish that this paper
will bring more knowledged people to Nova Roma, which can only help
fulfilling the desire I have expressed in the previous paragraph.
Di vos bene ament
> In Nova-Roma@y..., "curiobritannicus" <Marcusaemiliusscaurus@h...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > The vote has drawn to a close, and you will be pleased to know
that
> > each of your votes had immense influence - the winner was only
one
> > vote ahead of the other two!
> >
> > A week ago, I asked you all to vote for the three people who had
> > gained most votes in the previous vote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> > Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> > Marcus Minucius Audens
> >
> > Each of these has contributed a great deal to Nova Roma, and I
> salute
> > each of you good men for being in the shortlist. However, the
> > winner, by one vote, was Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
> >
> > Congratulations, Antonius Gryllus Graecus! While no material
prize
> > rewards you, may I be the first to congratulate you! You have
> given
> > much to Nova Roma, and I hope you are pleased by this recognition
> of
> > all the work you have done.
> >
> > Once again, congratulations to all three men, but especially
> Antonius
> > Gryllus Graecus.
> >
> > Bene valete,
> > Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus.
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Oath of Office |
| From: |
"Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius" <sceptia@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:46:12 +0200 |
|
Salve amice.
First of all, apologyze myself for not participating in the Philosophy
course. Due to personal matters known by all of you, I had to reduce my
duties almost to nothing. I´m just working in a local event, the Naumachiaes
in Hispania, and I don´t know my future inside Nova Roma. I expect to take
again the responsabilities a Decurio, a Scriba and a Praeceptor must hold.
But not in the next months. So I want to apologyze if my Oath sounds a
little cynical. I don´t pretend to be so. If my colleages, the Academiae and
all citizens agree, I should consider my charge as a "Stand-by" charge, I
mean, I´ll be there, but not inmediately. I hope you will understand.
On the other hand, thanks to the Thuless´ staff. Your behaviour towards me
has been so kind that I must thank you for it. Sorry for the Course, it
seems to be under the worst side of luck.
So I will make the Oath if you all agree:
- I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
- As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P.
Sandoval) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
- I,Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
- I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
- I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Academiae
Thules Praeceptor to the best of my abilities.
- On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Academiae Thules Praeceptora and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant there to.
Vale,
L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] "Roman Youth Union" (RYU) |
| From: |
"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:48:01 -0000 |
|
AVETE SENATOR CAESO FABI QVINTILIANE OMNESQVE
A very good idea, in my opinion! I really would be interested in
investigating this matter.
Did you already have anything in mind while proposing such an
institution?
I don't know why, but as I read your proposal, I immediately
thought to organize Ludi for children during our novaroman feasts. We
often proclaim poetry contests, art contests etc., that are not
suitable for a child.
Or perhaps we even could organize novaroman small games during the
whole year (obviously respecting roman religious dictates) through
which children can learn roman related things. They also could earn
some sort of CPs winning games (so demonstrating they learned
something)
This also could make more children approach Nova Roma.
However, we also shall consider that at the moment (please, correct
me if I am wrong) Gallus Tullius Cato is the only child of Nova Roma.
VALETE OMNES
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
Legatus externis Rebus Provinciae Italiae
Dominus Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressus
------------------------------
***LVDI APOLLINARES***
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix
Provincia Italia: http://italia.novaroma.org
Gens Constantinia: http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/constantinia-en
> We could try to start a "Roman Youth Union" (RYU) with some nice
> titles, but also some _real_ work. Work in the RYU would give CPs
and
> count for century placement when you become that age. What do You
> think? Could this be another part of our answer to You, Honorable
> Gallus Tullius Cato?
> --
> Valete
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
> Propraetor of Thule
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: latin reading + a history lesson |
| From: |
"Andrew Behm" <tyrael_equitius@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:37:42 -0500 |
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Amulius Equitius Germanicus Gaio Galerio Viatri S.P.D.
I agree and disagree with you in many respects. I agree that over the entire Empire, the Latin language would have a some variation in the accent depending on the native people's original language. But even then, the latin would have been basicly the same with little variation. The Romance languages we know of today (Spanisch, Italian, French, et cetera) were not what they are in their difference today until about the 11-12th century. Logically the closest language to the original Latin is Italian, but more so than you might expect. It would be so due to the work of Petrarch (1304-1379). Petrarch disliked the forms that Latin had mutated into, into a tainted Latin. He idolized the original "classical" Latin. He then catagorized the Latin's history into three groups. The most "pure" for of Latin was the Latin of the Roman Republic, which he called Gold. The next form was the Latin in the time of the first Emperors, only a tad and a half as bad as the best Latin, so he gave it a silver. The next group was so corrupted by time and diversity he didn't even give it a medal. The last was all the different Romance languages. Petrarch learned "gold" Latin so well, that he could speak it perfectly. Infact it was his work in the original Latin language that shaped the Italian language of today. With that and the known correct pronounciation of the consonants and vowels, we can used a little imagination of the three to figure out about what the original "gold" Latin sounded like.
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:06:26
From: "gaius galerius viator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: latin reading
Salve Cl. Salix Davianus
Regarding Latin accent, I agree with you to a certain point, that we may
find in the peripheries archaisms that are lost elsewhere. But that could
only serve to support a proposition already established. I would even
include in that category major Roman centers where Latin flourished, and, in
fact, even sustained a literary tradition such as France and the Iberian
peninsula simply because there are too many layers over the original Latin.
As an example, if you would filter out Celtic, Visigoth, and Arabic
influences on Spanish, it would sound very close to Italian. Italian has
less of such linguistic layers and influences, and Italy is the natural
place to look for how an Italic language sounded like.
We live in an age of TV and radio that made speech uniform within
national bounderies, with relatively little variation, and we automatically
assume that to have been always the case. Gallia and Hispania were
conquered lands, and there lived people who spoke a variety of languages and
they would certainly have added their own linguistic variations into their
Latin. So Latin varied from region to region reflecting local linguistic
patterns of the conquered lands. More the reason to look in Italy; why look
at copies when you could have the original.
But my main argument is the question of accent itself in speech. Accent
is a function of correct pronunciation; no easy task. If pronunciation is
done correctly then accent will come out on its own, ( And I say this as
one who speaks several languages ),and correct pronunciation involves the
correct placement of the tongue and lips, and voice pitch. That forms a
linguistic pattern particular to the group. That linguistic pattern of a
language forms a permanent feature of the landscape. It does not disappear
unless one ethnically cleanse the whole population.
Only a few days ago, with the World Cup going on in Korea, I saw a
report on TV about Korea that illustrates this very nicely:
In Korea there are people who are resorting to a surgical procedure in the
mouth to better be able to pronounce English. And of course, those same
Koreans, were they born and reared in, say, America, would have no problem
pronouncing their English. Geography does matter, and that's why Italian is
the closest to Latin.
If you pronounce your vowels and consonants correctly, the rest is
music, and we all know that to hear good music you must go to Italy.
I am open to contrary opinions, and welcome any criticism.
Vale
Gaius Galerius Viator.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] What Can a Kid Do in Nova Roma? |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:01:17 +0100 (BST) |
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Salvete Quirites.
--- "Chantal G. Whittington" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi, Gallus! You asked a good question. I wonder if there is any
> information available on Roman children's games. Maybe it would be
> possible to create something, yourself--in other words, imagine a
game
> that Roman children might have played and create rules for it.
In fact, we *do* know a few things about Roman childrens' games :-). If
you all want, I could explain a few things about them.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Oath of Office |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:15:02 +0200 |
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Salve Honorable Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius!
As I have done elsewhere I just once again want to assure You that we
understand and the Academia and its Staff will wait for You until You
are ready. Until then we include You and your family our prayers.
>Salve amice.
>
>First of all, apologyze myself for not participating in the Philosophy
>course. Due to personal matters known by all of you, I had to reduce my
>duties almost to nothing. I´m just working in a local event, the Naumachiaes
>in Hispania, and I don´t know my future inside Nova Roma. I expect to take
>again the responsabilities a Decurio, a Scriba and a Praeceptor must hold.
>But not in the next months. So I want to apologyze if my Oath sounds a
>little cynical. I don´t pretend to be so. If my colleages, the Academiae and
>all citizens agree, I should consider my charge as a "Stand-by" charge, I
>mean, I´ll be there, but not inmediately. I hope you will understand.
>On the other hand, thanks to the Thuless´ staff. Your behaviour towards me
>has been so kind that I must thank you for it. Sorry for the Course, it
>seems to be under the worst side of luck.
>So I will make the Oath if you all agree:
>
>- I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval) do hereby solemnly
>swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
>interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
>- As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P.
>Sandoval) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
>dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
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>- I,Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval) swear to uphold and
>defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
>to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
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>- I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval) swear to protect and
>defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
>- I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David P. Sandoval) further swear to
>fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Academiae
>Thules Praeceptor to the best of my abilities.
>
>- On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
>Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
>position of Academiae Thules Praeceptora and all the rights, privileges,
>obligations, and responsibilities attendant there to.
>
>Vale,
>
>L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
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AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
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Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
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http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
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