| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: latin reading + a history lesson |
| From: |
Pan144@aol.com |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:48:54 EDT |
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Avete, omnes!
I would like to make a few comments on what the esteemed Gaius
Galerius Viator has said about Italian being closest to Latin pronunciation.
We should be very careful about making such assumptions. To begin
with, there's the very important issue of vowel sounds. Classical Latin (from
the Republic to the early Empire at least) made important distinctions
between long and short vowels just as we do in English. For example, the long
"u" sound in boot compared to the short sound in but. Italian makes no such
differentiation, but Latin did with all the vowel sounds.
As for consonants, there's the ongoing raging argument about whether
the "c" was always pronounced hard like a "k" or could opt for the "ch" sound
depending on the following vowel. And then there's the case of the "v." Was
it pronounced like a "w" or was it, in fact, pronounced as we pronounce "v"?
I don't honestly know if Italian necessarily puts us closer to Latin
pronunciation than Spanish or any other language, for that matter. I've heard
on several occasions, however, that Lugudorense, a dialect spoken on
Sardinia, is the closest living language to Latin. That's the claim I've
heard made. Has anybody else heard that?
On another note, what has always fascinated me is Latin vocabulary. If
caput is the word we've all learned for "head," why is it that Italian has
testa and French has tête and not something like the Spanish and Portuguese
cabeza, which shows an obvious connection to caput? If equus is "horse," why
do caballo, cheval, cavalo, and cavallo appear in 4 of the 5 Romance
languages instead of a variation of equus? Without doubt, there must be
hundreds and hundreds of examples like these.
I've always wondered if anybody has ever come up with a grammar and
lexicon for colloquial Latin as it was spoken by the everyday Roman during,
let's say, the latter part of the Republic. I'd love to know how close that
was to so-called Classical Latin we know in the literature of the time. How
similar or dissimilar were the two? I, for one, have never been able to find
a text that answers these questions.
One final note: Has anybody heard of Luigi Miraglia and all the work
he's been doing in Italy to promote the use of Latin as a living, spoken
language? There was a fascinating article about him and his organization in
the September 17, 2001 issue of The New Yorker, pp. 107-117. I've been in
contact with him once. He's a very interesting man with some very interesting
ideas and plans.
Well then, I've finally come to the end of my message. Salutationes to
all of you!
Apicius Faunius Comissator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] What Can a Kid Do in Nova Roma? |
| From: |
"T. Cornelius Crispus" <centuriocornelius@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:10:25 -0500 |
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Ave Gallus,
Renata Corva wrote:
>>I wonder if there is any information available on Roman children's games.
There is! Check out this site that has both board and ball games.
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/
I am pretty sure I have seen some other sites like it, but can't put my
fingers on them at the moment.
Vale,
T. Cornelius Crispus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: What Can a Kid Do in Nova Roma? |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:53:44 -0000 |
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---Salve Frater T. Corneli Crispe:
You know, I have 'seen' this site before, and I lost track of it.
Thanks for providing the link. I have saved it to my bookmarks, as
this is a valuable source of information on how to entertain kids at
a Roman event.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
In Nova-Roma@y..., "T. Cornelius Crispus" <centuriocornelius@h...>
wrote:
> Ave Gallus,
> Renata Corva wrote:
> >>I wonder if there is any information available on Roman
children's games.
> There is! Check out this site that has both board and ball games.
> http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/
> I am pretty sure I have seen some other sites like it, but can't
put my
> fingers on them at the moment.
> Vale,
> T. Cornelius Crispus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PROVINCIAE PANNONIAE III. |
| From: |
"gaiuscoriolanus" <jozef.duhacek@siemens.sk> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:31:59 -0000 |
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G. MARCIUS CORIOLANUS OMNIBUS QUIRITIBUS S.P.D
First, let me say that I got inspired by F.A. Caesar propraetor
provinciae Italiae (gratias multas).
EDICTUM PROVINCIAE PANNONIAE III.
Issued June 26th, in the year of the consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, 2755 AUC.
Subject: Symbols of Provincia Pannonia will be
I. Provincial emblem
II. Provincial hymn
III. Protecting Gods
Propraetor would like to invite not only pannonian citizens to make
proposals and send it to him with short explantation.
I. Provincial emblem
The main symbol of provincia should be prepared in bmp or jpg file in
resolution higer than 300x300.
II. Provincial hymn consist of music and text that could be composed
separately and prepared in wav, midi, mp3 or wma file
III. It should be explained the choice of Protecting Gods regarding
relations to provincia.
Your proposals should be sent to coriolanus@centrum.sk
Ave atque Vale
Gaius Marcius Coriolanus
Propraetor Pannoniae
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] AR war game |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:33:11 -0400 |
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Ave, omnes!
Recently, I've been playing around with a game system, "Xconq - The
School for Strategy" by Stanley T. Shebs, that has great potential for
those of us who enjoy recreating various battles. Interestingly enough,
it comes with an "Ancient Rome" base module (which can be used to create
any new AR scenarios) and a "Roman Civil War: Caesar vs. Pompeius, 48BC"
pre-made scenario, a fairly complex recreation of the above conflict.
If you've played any of the heavily graphical empire-builder games
before, the interface will be somewhat familiar; ditto if you're used to
various tank-battle games. As well, this is a networked game - it can be
played stand-alone, vs. computer (AI) opponents, but is a lot more fun
playing against other people. The version with which I'm familiar runs
under Linux; clients for Wind*ws and MacOS are also available.
Presumably, these are all free and Open Source, like the Linux version.
Also, if you have a friend with a Linux system and a full-time Net
connection, he could simply create an account from which you could play
without the necessity of installing it yourself.
To me, the most exciting thing about this is the fact that you can
easily write your own scenario - even if you've never done any
programming before! The scenario file can be as simple as a list of
"units" which are the combatants, a bit of scenery, and some basic
rules; in the introductory documents, the author walks you through
creating a "Godzilla-vs.-Tokyo" scenario that consists of about 25 lines
(!) - and results in a playable, though simple game. On the other hand,
scenarios can involve weather, revolts, alliances, creatures (Hannibal's
elephants, anyone?), any sort of terrain including sea (or space)... the
possibilities are nearly infinite.
So, if your favorite battle in history has never been adequately
represented... or you just want your chance to show how it really
*should* have been done... or (drum roll, please) if somebody wants to
have a *REALLY* great gladiator battle for the next Ludi! - there's now
an accessible way to do it. For more info, install "Xconq" on
your system (available from <http://sources.redhat.com/pub/xconq/>) and
read the copious included documentation. Feel free to e-mail me with any
comments; I'd enjoy play-testing any AR scenarios that anyone builds.
Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
-- Vegetius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] "Roman Youth Union" (RYU) |
| From: |
"T. Cornelius Crispus" <centuriocornelius@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:17:43 -0500 |
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Salvete,
Manius Constantinus Serapio wrote:
>>However, we also shall consider that at the moment (please, correct me if
I am wrong) Gallus Tullius Cato is the only child of Nova Roma.
I would like to correct you, if I may. My four children; Lucius Cornelius
Petrus (10), Primia Cornelia Ambrosia (8), Secundia Cornelia Helena (6),
Tertia Cornelia Nina (4), are all Nova Roma citizens. I believe that a
cursory look at the Cives list would turn up quite a few more also. I for
one would be interested is seeing what we could do to organize something
along the lines of a "Roman Youth Union". I the more our children learn of
Roman history, and culture, the more enriched their lives would be, I
believe.
Vale,
T. Cornelius Crispus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Cultural Contribution Vote - Results |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:45:34 -0300 (ART) |
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Salute omnes,
Glory to Grillus! Many times he has supported us on Religious and Cultural subjects! In the name of all Faustus in Nova Roma, our special congratulations. Grillus, humble and thankful we shall cheer the glorious roman hail to you:
Ave, Imperator!
And because some greetings only have the same meaning in mother language: Parabéns, colega! Eu ca entre nós, eu me lembro especialmente do que dizias: "Trabalho e trabalho mais para dar o exemplo!". Salve! Não deixa de ser estimulante para os novos novoromanos que o bom trabalho seja recompensado diante de todos!
És um exemplo para nós.
L. Arminius Faustus
Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae
Verdades vou dizer, ficção lhes chames, Se os numes aos mortais não crês visíveis!
Um deus referve em nós, assomos de estro Baixam da etérea mente à mente humana,
Quem, quem pode vedar-me o ver deidades, Sendo eu vate, eu cantor dos sacrifícios?
Ovídio, Faustus, poema VI
---------------------------------
Copa 2002
Yahoo! - Patrocinador oficial da Copa do Mundo da FIFA 2002
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: "Roman Youth Union" (RYU) |
| From: |
"pro_postumius" <socraticquestion@netscape.net> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:12:19 -0000 |
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Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus Civibus Novis Romanis S.P.D.
Salvete,
Let me again, as I always do, apologize for the apparent ignorance of
Nova Roma operations in my messages, as I still am not yet a citizen.
That said, I have been reading the inherent thread, and I agree with
the general contention that a Roman Youth Union would be a good
institution for not only the youth of Nova Roma but also for all
other cives who so choose to further involve themselves moreso than
being a citizen in itself is involved. It would, as I have come to
understand, provide the younger citizens with a better understanding
of government and religious procedures, as well as procedures in
everyday life, more readily assist in the assurance of the
continuation of Nova Roma (which I would hope all of us wish for),
and above all, help better instill in the Nova Romana youth a greater
respect for Roman ways, traditions and virtues )because let's face
it, parents can only do so much before the children stop paying
attention to them). The only problem I can see here is getting things
organized and getting the Comitiae to pass a lex allowing minores to
be granted duly earned CP's (if there is any citizen who would be
interested in doing so, I'll have a draft of said lex in a few days,
just drop me an e-mail if interested). I would like greatly to see
the flourishment of this institution, and will be readily available
should anyone desire my help or assistance in anything.
Semper Cogitans et Sapiens, ut Cras Meliores Omnes Simus
Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] LVDI APOLLINARES - VENATIONES |
| From: |
"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:51:01 -0000 |
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AVETE QVIRITES
After about one week, only other 11 people will still have the
opportunity of buying a Venator who will fight during the Venationes
of next Ludi Apollinares (july 6th-13th).
Should we think that you are afraid of several little animals?
Buy a fighter in the Forum Boarium! He will cover your name with
glory defeating lions, tigers, bulls, rhinoceroses and other beasts!
If you join the Venationes Programme you will be considered as
possessing 10,000 Sestertii. Use them to buy the strongest Venator on
sale and to make him/her train in the right Ludus!
Visit the website of the Ludi Apollinares and enter the Venationes
section at:
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix
If you want the glory, you have to conquer it!!!
DII VOS BENE AMENT
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
Legatus Externis Rebus Provincia Italia
Dominus Praefectus - Sodalitas Egressus
-------------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia: http://italia.novaroma.org
Gens Constantinia: http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/constantinia-en
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: "Roman Youth Union" (RYU) |
| From: |
Jenny Harris <J.Harris@awgais.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:47:47 -0600 |
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Salvete,
I'd like to make a suggestion/ comment if possible.
The idea of something for the Youth of Nova Roma,
Sounds like a great idea. An additional item to be
Considered. Classical Literature, I feel would be
A bonus to the Youth. When I was young Tullius'
Age it would've been nice if my parents had me
Reading Vergil, Ovid, etc..... Here is another idea
To consider.
Valete Bene,
Aeternia
-----Original Message-----
From: pro_postumius [mailto:socraticquestion@netscape.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:12 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: "Roman Youth Union" (RYU)
Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus Civibus Novis
Romanis S.P.D.
Salvete,
Let me again, as I always do, apologize for the apparent
ignorance of
Nova Roma operations in my messages, as I still am not yet a
citizen.
That said, I have been reading the inherent thread, and I
agree with
the general contention that a Roman Youth Union would be a
good
institution for not only the youth of Nova Roma but also for
all
other cives who so choose to further involve themselves
moreso than
being a citizen in itself is involved. It would, as I have
come to
understand, provide the younger citizens with a better
understanding
of government and religious procedures, as well as
procedures in
everyday life, more readily assist in the assurance of the
continuation of Nova Roma (which I would hope all of us wish
for),
and above all, help better instill in the Nova Romana youth
a greater
respect for Roman ways, traditions and virtues )because
let's face
it, parents can only do so much before the children stop
paying
attention to them). The only problem I can see here is
getting things
organized and getting the Comitiae to pass a lex allowing
minores to
be granted duly earned CP's (if there is any citizen who
would be
interested in doing so, I'll have a draft of said lex in a
few days,
just drop me an e-mail if interested). I would like greatly
to see
the flourishment of this institution, and will be readily
available
should anyone desire my help or assistance in anything.
Semper Cogitans et Sapiens, ut Cras Meliores Omnes Simus
Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: AR war game |
| From: |
"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:05:24 -0000 |
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AVE CAI MINVCI SCAEVOLA
Thank you for your message! But the link is unavailable. Is it
correct?
(available from <http://sources.redhat.com/pub/xconq/>)
Thank you
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] The "Roman Youth Union" (RYU), organization and mailing list |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:33:02 +0200 |
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Salvete Quirites!
It seems as if my idea about a Roman Youth Union really found some
supporters among the grown-ups here. That is OK I think. Why not
organizing a "Supporting committee" of three grown ups and let them
develop the Regula (Constitution of the RYU). Then we start a new RYU
mailing list and transfer it to some of the young citiizens and their
elected leadership.
The following persons have shown their interest: Aeternia,
<J.Harris@awgais.com>, Manius Constantinus Serapio
<mcserapio@yahoo.it>, Nero Drusus Sepulchratus,
<socraticquestion@netscape.net>, T. Cornelius Crispus,
<centuriocornelius@hotmail.com>, Manius Villius Limitanus,
<loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
What do You Illustri Consules think??? Could You maybe organize such
a "Supporting committee" to get things going?
>Salvete,
>
>I'd like to make a suggestion/ comment if possible.
>The idea of something for the Youth of Nova Roma,
>Sounds like a great idea. An additional item to be
>Considered. Classical Literature, I feel would be
>A bonus to the Youth. When I was young Tullius'
>Age it would've been nice if my parents had me
>Reading Vergil, Ovid, etc..... Here is another idea
>To consider.
>
>Valete Bene,
>Aeternia
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
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