Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship approved!
From:	"Julilla" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Sun, 07 Jul 2002 01:04:59 -0000

Julilla Sempronia Magna Marcus Varius Pullus SPD

Felicitatio, paterfamilias Varia! Congratulations civis NovaRomanus!

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Declaration of candidacy
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Sun, 07 Jul 2002 03:49:38 -0000

Salve,

I, Quintus Cassius Calvus, would like to take this moment to
introduce myself and declare my candidacy for the office of
rogator.

By trade I work in logistics support for a mid-sized multinational
firm and my experience in the area of accounting and inventory
control leads me to feel that I am qualified to act in the office of
rogator with professional efficiency. I have been a citizen the
required six months and at the "ripe old age" of 34 well above the
age restrictions for office.

Aside from personal qualifications for the office, I am "throwing my
hat into the ring" because it is my duty as a Roman to participate in
our republican system of government. At the heart of that system is
the electorial and legislative process. The office of rogator
ensures that the republican process is fair, unbiased, and accurate.
The vacancy in the offices of the rogators is counter to our
republican process.

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship approved!
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Sun, 07 Jul 2002 04:22:04 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., MVariusPM@a... wrote:
> Salve,
>
> It is with great pleasure I announce the approval of my
application to
> become a Citizen! I just got my email from the Censors this
morning. I am so
> excited and pleased (not to mention the fact it didn't take very
long, at
> all)! I am very happy to be participating in this group and am
already
> enjoying myself immensely. Thank you, for having me as a member.
>
> Valate,
> Marcus Varius Pullus

Salve Marcus Varius,

Welcome to Nova Roma.

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LVDI APOLLINARES - Roman authors
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:37:01 -0700 (PDT)

AVETE QVIRITES

Today I send you the first of the posts written by
our Aedilis Plebis Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix about
several important Roman authors!
The following one concerns Decimus Iunius
Iuvenalis.
Before starting, I tell you that you can find these
texts on the web site of the Ludi Apollinares, in the
"scriptores" section:
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix.html

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

DECIMUS IUNIUS IUVENALIS

Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis was born in the first century
and died around 140 AD. He is considered the last and
greatest representant of a very typical Roman form of
literature: satire. We don’t know very much about his
life because of very unreliable biographies, and also
because he almost nowhere writes about himself. (as
for example Horatius did). He considers himself a
‘cliens’, and according to him, nobility should
respect these ‘clientes’, because they could not live
without them. Iuvenalis was born in Aquinum and later
came to Rome, but after a quarrel with the imperial
court, he was banished by emperor Domitianus. So he
must have been a rather important person in his era,
although he was poor and depending on protection (this
changed later, when he lived in more pleasant
circumstances). He is also much mentioned by his
friend Martialis, another poet, who had the same
opinion about him. Iuvenalis also gave rhetorical
lectures in public, and he only started writing
satires when he was in the last thirty years of his
life. He was worried about the decay in the Roman
empire, but he seems that much embittered, that we can
suspect personal rancour. The period of Domitianus
(81-96 AD) has shocked him very much, and his satires
are a response to this. Although he wrote them during
the calmer periods of Traianus and Hadrianus.



Iuvenalis’ work contains 16 satires, varying in length
between 60 and 661 verses, compiled in five books.
They are all characterized by great bitterness and
much seriousness, also by avoiding references to
current facts and only referring to persons and events
from a recent past, and, last but not least, by much
pessimism. With his special sarcastic statement he
reacts against the corruption within the empire,
vanity, the rich ones, hypocrisy, the Greeks, … and
women. In his third satire he describes very elaborate
the many dangers of the rough city life, written in an
excellent style with a content still relevant in our
times. His descriptions are mostly full of humour and
splendid linguistic qualities. But sometimes he may
seem to exaggerate in his rather rude language,
especially in his first satires. Without doubt
Iuvenalis can be considered the greatest Roman
satirist.



Some well known Roman sayings, coming from Iuvenalis:

Mens sana in corpore sano

Panem et circenses

Pecunia non olet

Difficile ast satiram non scribere

Nulla fere causa est in qua non femina litem moverit

Aliena vivere quadra





EXTRACT FROM SATIRE III (212-231)

Si magna Asturici cecidit domus, horrida mater,

pullati proceres, differt vadimonia praetor.

tunc gemimus casus urbis, tunc odimus ignem.

ardet adhuc, et iam accurrit qui marmora donet,

conferat inpensas; hic nuda et candida signa,

hic aliquid praeclarum Euphranoris et Polycliti,

hic Asianorum vetera ornamenta deorum,

hic libros dabit et forulos mediamque Minervam,

hic modium argenti. meliora ac plura reponit

Persicus, orborum lautissimus et merito iam

suspectus tamquam ipse suas incenderit aedes.

Si potes avelli circensibus, optima Sorae

aut Fabrateriae domus aut Frusinone paratur

quanti nunc tenebras unum conducis in annum.

hortulus hic puteusque brevis nec reste movendus

in tenuis plantas facili diffunditur haustu.

vive bidentis amans et culti vilicus horti,

unde epulum possis centum dare Pythagoreis.

est aliquid, quocumque loco, quocumque recessu

unius sese dominum fecisse lacertae.



But if the grand house of Asturicus be destroyed, the
matrons go dishevelled, your great men put on
mourning, the praetor adjourns his court: then indeed
do we deplore the calamities of the city, and bewail
its fires! Before the house has ceased to burn, up
comes one with a gift of marble or of building
materials, another offers nude and glistening statues,
a third some notable work of Euphranor or Polyclitus,
or bronzes that had been the glory of old Asian
shrines. Others will offer books and bookcases, or a
bust of Minerva, or a hundredweight of silver-plate.
Thus does Persicus, that most sumptuous of childless
men, replace what he has lost with more and better
things, and with good reason incurs the suspicion of
having set his own house on fire.

If you can tear yourself away from the games of the
Circus, you can buy an excellent house at Sora, at
Fabrateria or Frusino, for what you now pay in Rome to
rent a dark garret for one year. And you will there
have a little garden, with a shallow well from which
you can easily draw water, without need of a rope, to
bedew your weakly plants. There make your abode, a
friend of the mattock, tending a trim garden fit to
feast a hundred Pythagoreans. It is something, in
whatever spot, however remote, to have become the
possessor of a single lizard!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

BENE VALETE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship approved!
From:	"mikesaraw" <MVariusPM@aol.com>
Date:	Sun, 07 Jul 2002 07:58:32 -0000

Salve,

Thank you, so much. I am so very pleased to begin the
paterfamiliias Varius. It is truly a great honor and I hope that the
gens shall be one of distinction. As soon as I recieve said "login
code" I shall most certainly update the profile. As yet, my wife and
I do not have a suitable photo to include (I don't think Elizabethan
court garb would probably do... need a new photo). Working on that.
As soon as possible, we shall post one.

As an aside, having the worst time with yahoo for getting the list.
Apparently, my wife and I shall have to have different yahoo accounts
to each get the list mail separately. We've had the worst time trying
to figure out why it keeps sending the list to one or the other of
us, since we've got both our email addresses listed. My new
understanding of it is, the "primary" gets mail and even though other
email addresses are able to be listed, they don't get the posts and
they can't send mail back to the list... very awkward. She said she
didn't mind setting up her own yahoo account so we can both get the
list and post from our respective emails. It's just an electronic
pain in the... something. Just seemed so odd that a server would
allow alternate email addresses and then not allow each of them to
recieve mail. Very strange.

Valate,
M. Varius

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Julilla" <curatrix@v...> wrote:
> Julilla Sempronia Magna Marcus Varius Pullus SPD
>
> Felicitatio, paterfamilias Varia! Congratulations civis NovaRomanus!
>
> Your profile has already been added to the roster of cives
> NovaRomanae, and if you have received your login code, you can
> customize your citizen profile.
>
> If you have a photo that you'd like added to your profile, I invite
> you to send it to me and I will upload it.
>
> Again, welcome!
>

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Fwd: LUDI VENATORI JUL vii
From:	"Susan Brett" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 07 Jul 2002 06:04:32 -0400

>From: "Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" To: trog99@hotmail.com Subject: LUDI
>VENATORI JUL vii Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 09:59:11 +0000
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" To: mcserapio@yahoo.it CC:
>>scriba_forum@hotmail.com Subject: Ludi Venatorii for July 7 Date: Fri, 05
>>Jul 2002 18:39:57 +0000
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>CIVITES, PEREGRINI, AMICII NOVA ROMA!!!!
>>
>>LIVE FROM THE AMPHITEATRUM FLAVIUM....ROMA!!!!
>>
>>IN HONOUR OF APOLLO.....WITH THE BLESSING OF THE SENATE AND MAGISTERIUM
>>
>>WELCOME....TO THE VENATIONES LUDI APOLLONAIRES......
>>
>>
>>Oh, it is hard to get a word in edgewise here, amidst the ecstatic crowds
>>of fans gathered for an afternoon of excitement and entertainment!!!!! I
>>am Pompeia Cornelia, your host and play-by-play telecaster.
>>
>>We have some talented fighters, some miserable beasts (no endangered
>>species), all ready to rip the hide off one another if need be.
>>
>>The office of the Aedilius Plebis, Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix has worked
>>indefatigably for put this spectacle together.
>>
>>Scores of television cameras lurk away...everyone in anticipation of the
>>action to come!!!!
>>
>>And now, we are going to take a few moments to celebrate with a ritual in
>>honour of Apollo, sing the national anthem, and the games shall formally
>>begin......
>>
>>We are back....!!!
>>
>>OUR FIRST CHALLENGE:
>>
>>Now entering the arena, the famed gladiator Baccibus from Aegyptus, owned
>>by Quincitus Quinctilius Varus Galili, Purchased for for a tidy price of
>>7,000 Sestertii. Trained at his Ludus for an additional 2,000
>>Sestertii.....where do these people get the money???
>>
>>Well, speaking of $$$ all our Quinctus has left is a cool thousand
>>sestertii...hmm...I hope things go as well as he hopes!!!
>>
>>Baccibus, huge, armed with scabbard and scutum, is decked out in his usual
>>leather attire, trimmed in silver studs....more tattoos than bare skin,
>>and more earrings than ears. Not a fella you'd want to bring home to
>>mater!!!
>>
>>Well, not 'my' mater, anyway...hee hee :)
>>
>>Baccibus, student of the Ludus Leontinum, with a strength of 36 and
>>resistance of 34.
>>
>>Ahhhhh...........WHAT DO WE HAVE ENTERING THE ARENA NOW???
>>
>>Weighing in at 478 pounds, we have a black bear from the regions of Retia,
>>growling, parading around the arena in hot pursuit of some
>>'chow'......ohh, Gentle Ben he is not....the show of teeth is 'not' a
>>friendly grin........he is 'ugly' and he is 'mad'.............Our beastial
>>competitor is out to win his blueberries today....and a piece of Baccibus
>>if he can get it.
>>
>>Baccibus struts out to meet his challenger.....scabbard and scutum....the
>>bear and our fighter stare each other down briefly...Baccibus dubs the
>>bear in the ear with the scabbard...then punts him with his shield!!!
>>Ugghhh......the bear is growling, and pounces toward
>>Baccibus.....uggh.....Baccibus has lost his scabbard!! The bear is on
>>Baccibus!!!!
>>
>>THIS LEAVES BACCIBUS WITH A RESISTENCE COUNT OF 38 AND THE BEAR A
>>RESISTANCE OF 8 !!!
>>
>>Baccibus and the Bear are groveling as one on the arena floor! Baccibus
>>attempts to smack the bear with his scutum....useless!
>>
>>They are 'wrestling'.....rolling one on top of another ....the crowd goes
>>wild.....the bear trying relentlessly to sink his teeth into the corpus of
>>Baccibus! Our hero is in a jam now!
>>
>>What's this???? Baccibus has sunk his teeth into the bear!!!
>>Auughhh.....how terribly Barbarian.......but seemingly effective.
>>Baccibus' large triceps gave him the strength to bend the bear's head back
>>so he could bite him in the neck.
>>
>>The bear is weakened....but remains dangerous at this point. The bear is
>>trodding about with an ataxic gait.....moaning....This has taken a bit out
>>of Baccibus too.
>>
>>Baccibus is crawling, searching for his scabbard....the beast is now
>>growling, not moaning....Baccibus continues to crawl toward his
>>scabbard....the bear is behind him....the bear bites our fighter in the
>>gluteus! A loud, pain-filled holler is delivered by Baccibus...his rear is
>>bleeding.....ouch!! Closer and closer to the scabbard......he's got
>>it.....the bear in close pursuit.....weakened...Baccibus has his hand on
>>the scabbard, turns over, more by accident than by choice....the bear is
>>ontop of our fighter.......Knowing it is 'do' or 'die'....Baccibus musters
>>up his strength, and does what has to be done......
>>
>>Baccibus connects the scabbard with the bear as hard as he can...it is
>>enough.....the bear succumbs, and is no longer a factor in this encounter.
>>
>>BACCIBUS VICTOR WITH A RESIDUAL OF 31.
>>
>>A CLOSE ENCOUNTER OF AN INEGMATIC KIND!!!
>>
>>Sponsor Quinctius Quinctilius Varus Galili is thrilled.
>>
>>The crowd is unrelenting, as you can hear.....
>>
>>BACCIBUS IS VICTOR!!!
>>
>>NO DOUBT HE WILL GO TO GREAT HEIGHTS IN THE GLADIATORIAL ARTS!!!!!
>>
>>**************And now, we must pause for a network time out, and yours
>>truly, is going to the Falernian stand.........
>>
>>THIS IS THE MUSARUM TELEVISION NETWORK..........
>>
>>
>>*****************************
>>
>>We are back amicii for the second spectacle!!!
>>
>>Wait, I am hearing music.......oh a band accompanying our next
>>fighter.....who is accompanied by his sponsor........ooooohhhhhh, women
>>are going nuts here people!!!!
>>
>>IT IS..........
>>
>>GAIUS CORNELIUS AHENOBARBUS!!!!!! The heartthrob of Cornelia!!! One of the
>>most eligible bachelors in Rome!
>>
>>THE WOMEN ARE CHANTING "Gai, Gai, Gai,"....Cornelius appears to be taking
>>all this in stride, smiling and waving to his public.
>>
>>Ahh, but girlies, he is a gambler!!!!!
>>
>>The competitor he sponsors, receiving equal waves and cheers is Invictus
>>from Cilicia, from the Ludus Pentasium. Cornelius paid 9000 Sestertii to
>>buy this guy, and a thousand to have him trained....Cornelius is now
>>broke, folks!!!
>>
>>Let's hope this pays off. Invictus is good......but only human!!! Invictus
>>has a strength of 45 and a resistance of 35, which is favourable. Invictus
>>is using a scabbard and a net today.
>>
>>
>>WHAT HAS JUST BEEN RELEASED INTO THE ARENA????? CORNELIUS HAD BETTER GET
>>OUT OF THE FIGHTING AREA OR HE IS IS GOING TO BE CAT CHOW!!!
>>
>>
>>THE BEAST IS A PANTHER!!!!! This beast, caught in Africa while trying to
>>take a chunk out a few legionaries has a strength of 32, and a resistance
>>of 39.
>>
>>LOOK AT THOSE TEETH.....chow, chow, CHOW!!!!!
>>
>>Invictus ventures toward the center of the arena to 'greet' his feline
>>competitor and begins casually swinging his net toward the
>>panther...trying to egg him on...the panther stands there and
>>growls....Invictus drops the net, and slowly drags it away from the
>>panther...the panther pursues the net. The panther has the net between his
>>teeth. For the moment, Invictus' sword is stationed on his person.
>>
>>Invictus tugs away on the net...maybe he'll jockey some teeth
>>around...Invictus is trying to get the net around the beast's head and
>>neck, it seems; our fighter, holding one end of the net, dances around to
>>the posterior of the beast, while the panther orally entertains the other
>>end of the net. The panther's head and neck are encircled by the net, held
>>securely by Invictus!!
>>
>>Invictus has a resistance of 33 and our feline friend a resistence of
>>29!!!
>>
>>THE BEST LAID PLANS OF MICE AND MEN!!! WHAT'S HAPPENING????
>>
>>The panther catches Invictus trying to move away...the panther tugs hard
>>at the net, catching Invictus off guard.....the panther pursues Invictus
>>and has him by the back of the leg!! INVICTUS HAS LOST HIS END OF THE NET
>>and he is howling from the hold our panther has on his leg....those teeth
>>are sharp!!
>>
>>AMICII WE HAVE A PANTHER WITH A HAIRNET ON WITH A PASSION FOR HUMAN
>>LEGS!!!
>>
>>Invictus, for the moment is waning in options. If he moves, he'll upset
>>the Panther more, and even if he manages to get his sword, how can he stab
>>him when the panther is behind him??? What to do???
>>
>>Invictus has apparently realized that he *must* use his sword...
>>
>>Our eligible bachelor, Gai Corneli is trying to remember the words to the
>>song "Amicus can you Spare a Denarii" I can see him from my vantage point,
>>and man, is he sweating!!!
>>
>>Invictus, slowly moves the net with one hand, and distracts the Panther
>>with a bit of "play"...with the other hand, he slowly draws his weapon
>>from his belt......swiftly, Invictus does a 360 and delivers two blows to
>>the panther's back....The panther is down.......!!!!!
>>
>>INVICTUS HAS A RESISTENCE OF 32 AND THE PANTHER A RESISTENCE OF 15....BOY
>>WAS INVICTUS LUCKY.....TALK ABOUT FORTUNA'S FAVOURITES!!!!
>>
>>Invictus has lost considerable blood from the panther's attempt to feast
>>on his leg....and he must finish off the beast quickly. Another blow to
>>the left lateral chestwall, sets the matter straight once and for all!
>>
>>INVICTUS VICTOR!!!! Invictus left with a resistence of 32
>>
>>Gaius Cornelius wipes the sweat from his brow!!!
>>
>>The crowd howls.......such close competitions we have seen today!!!
>>
>>BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS FOR INVICTUS, NO DOUBT IN THE FUTURE, AND A TIDY
>>SUM FOR THE ULTIMATE VICTOR IN THIS WAGER.....GAIUS CORNELIUS
>>AHENOBARBUS!!!
>>
>>**************Another network time out, followed by a few musical numbers
>>here in the Amphiteatrum Flavium, by Rome's favourite pop music groups:
>>
>>THE SUBURA BOYS!!! Ahh, we all love Hortensius, A.J., Brianus, Nicholaus,
>>Cevonius.....atleast "I" do!!!
>>
>>
>>***************
>>
>>AHH, BACK TO THE SPECTACLES..........!!!!
>>
>>*******
>>
>>Cheers and crowd waves accompany the entrance of our third sponsor and
>>competitor in the Ludi Venatorii, in honour of the farseeing one, Fair
>>Apollo!
>>
>>It is none other than Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus!!!!! (another
>>eligible bachelor, I might add) Noted for his promotion of Roman culture
>>in the province of Britannica, he greets his public with a silk toga and
>>tunic, handwoven, no doubt.
>>
>>His choice of colours is dapper....dark blue toga and a cream coloured
>>tunic. Honestly, I have seen some interesting combinations to date!!
>>
>>Always remember: Blue and green should 'never' be seen, unless they are
>>seen in the washing machine!!!! ANYWAY.......
>>
>>His Venator accompanies him....
>>
>>THE FAMOUS MAGERI..........Great Mother Cornelia!!!...what's he bedeckled
>>in???? Blue and Green!!!! uggh.......Blue-dyed leather cuirass,
>>green-painted armour....gold boots and knee guards. Hmm.... shiny and
>>colourful. I hope his fighting skills are with him...
>>
>>Marcus Scribonius has paid 7,000 sestertii for him, PLUS 1,500 to for
>>training in the ludus..AND, has 1,500 sestertii to spare! Now dominillae,
>>here's a man with sense enough to keep a little 'uncommitted' cash :)
>>
>>Mageri, armed with scutum and a spike ball on a chain, with a whopping
>>strength of 40 and a resistance of 30, entertains:
>>
>>OH MY GOODNESS!!
>>
>>NOT A RHINOCEROS!!!! Yes, one from Numidia, with a strength of 44 and a
>>resistance of 32. Ohhhh, that's not so wonderful.
>>
>>Mageri quickly catches the eye of the Rhino with his outfit (blue and
>>green should *never*......) and the Rhino gives him a hard head-punt in
>>the groin...
>>
>>MAGERI RESISTENCE 26, RHINO 27
>>
>>Mageri is doubled over....another punt from the Rhino....THIS TIME TO THE
>>HEAD OF MAGERI!!
>>
>>MAGERI RESISTENCE 20, RHINO 26
>>
>>Another punt to Mageri...this time after a running charge by the
>>Rhino......this is not good.
>>
>>MAGERI RESISTENCE OF 15, RHINO 24
>>
>>Mageri is very hurt, and delivers a weak bash to the corpus of the
>>Rhinoceros and some superficial hits with his spike ball....
>>
>>The Rhino affixes his teeth around the left ankle of Mageri and proceeds
>>to drag him about.
>>
>>MGERI HAS A RESISTENCE OF ONLY 9 AND THE RHINO 23
>>
>>At this point, amicii, the officium of the ludi are concerned. The
>>physical condition of our fighter is compromised. However he signals to
>>the Ludi officials and to Marcus Scribonius that he will NOT quit...that
>>he shall continue this fight. The crowd is rather quiet at this point, not
>>sure what his going on.
>>
>>The Rhino continues to drag Mageri around...Mageri is arrested by his own
>>physical weakness... The Rhino has the brunt of this encounter, although
>>Mageri still has his ball and his making weak swipes at our Rhino when he
>>can.
>>
>>MAGERI RESISTENCE 4 AND THE RHINO 23.
>>
>>Mageri lets a piercing wince out of his mouth, which seemingly has annoyed
>>the Rhino...he further drags our fighter, and is now delivering repeated
>>head bunts.
>>
>>MAGERI HAS SUCCUMBED.....
>>
>>He would not have it otherwise...as Iulius Caesar once said "he would have
>>it so"
>>
>>MAGERI RESISTENCE ZERO......RHINO....10
>>
>>Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus, very despondent looking at this
>>point. A loser of the encounter, but apparently also of a good friend;
>>Mageri and he have quite a history of friendship.
>>
>>This was Mageri's choice of lifestyle, and this time, there would be no
>>'next time'. Word has it that he would not be happy living any other way.
>>
>>All of Rome will mourn his loss.......
>>
>>
>>**************
>>
>>Well, this concludes today's segment of the Ludi Venatorii. Until
>>tomorrow, we bid you Bene vale, et Buonum Fortunam.
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] another candidate
From:	"artabrus" <piteas@inicia.es>
Date:	Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:07:07 -0000

Avete, cives!

My name is Gn. Salix Galaicus, citizen of the province Hispania, and
I want to be a candidate for the post of rogator of NR.
I am scriba (scriba of the chariot races) of the aedilis curulis and
scriba (the chairman of the provincial curia) of the propraetor of my
province. Therefore I am experienced at the basic novoroman
bureaucracy.
I offer my time to occupy this post and to help in this simple but
necessary task of government.

Valete!

Salix Galaicus
Scriba cursus equorum aedilis curulis.
Princeps Curiae Hispaniae

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LEX OCTAVIA DE PRIVATUS REBUS, french translation
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:48:42 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete Quirites,

Voici une des nombreuses issues que j’aimerais
présenter au Comitia ce mois ci:

Loi proposée LEX OCTAVIA DE PRIVATUS REBUS

La LEX OCTAVIA DE PRIVATUS REBUS est amendée afin d’y
inclure ce qui suit:

Les Patresfamilias et Matresfamilias doivent avoir
accès aux adresses E-mail de tous les membres et
postulants à leur Gentes. Ils peuvent obtenir cette
information à partir du site Internet, quand un outil
permettant de la voir est disponible, ou des Censores.

Cela sera bénéfique pour deux raisons:
- Les postulants à des Gentes, quelquefois ne donnent
pas suite aux demandes des Paterfamilias pour obtenir
de plus amples renseignements. A moins que le
Paterfamilias ait conservé la lettre initiale de
notification, ce citoyen potentiel peut arriver à ne
plus être contacté, et peut très bien ne pas être
approuvé comme citoyen.
- Après qu’un citoyen ait été aprouvé au sein de NR et
de sa Gentes, the moyens de communication peuvent être
perdus. Le citoyen peut avoir modifié son adresse
E-mail sur le site Internet de NR, mais oublie d’en
informer sa Gentes, il peut aussi se désabonner de la
liste de discussion en ligne. Dans ce cas, les
informations du Paterfamilias peuvent s’avérer être
obsolèles.

Qund cette loi sera passée, je demanderai à ce que la
page Internet “Acces Gens”, à laquelle tous les
Paterfamilas ont accès, contienne toutes les adresses
E-mail de tous les memebres de la Gentes ainsi que des
postulants. Cela soulagera les Paterfamilias de gérer
une liste d’adresses E-mail et réduira les risques que
cette liste devienne obsolète.

Valete, Octavius.

Translated by Sextus Apollonius Scipio.


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LEX SECUNDA OCTAVIA DE CENTURIATA, french translation
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:49:31 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete Quirites,

En Mai, nous avons fait passer la Lex Octavia de
Centuriata, qui amendait la Constitution afin de
réduire le nombre des Centuries:

“Il doit exister un nombre de Centuries, nombre à
déterminer par acte légal provenant du Comitia
Centuriata et ne devant pas excéder 193, dans lesquels
les Censors repartiront tous les citoyens.”

Cela réfère à un acte légal devant être promulgué par
le Comitia Centuriata et devant fixer le nombre exact
de Centuries. Je vous présente ci-après la loi qui
rempliera ce role.

La loi proposée: LEX SECUNDA OCTAVIA DE CENTURIATA

Cette loi est édifiée afin de déterminer le nombre de
Centuries comme le demande le paragraphe II.E.2 de la
constitution de Nova Roma, comme amendé par la Lex
Octavia de Centuriata. Dans le cas oû l’amendement
n’est pas ratifié, la loi ne sera pas effective.
(l’amendement est en souffrance auprès du Senat, qui
doit statuer ce mois ci)

I. le nombre de Centuries doit être calculé en
divisant le nombre de Citoyens Assidui par huit, en
arrondissant au plus bas. Le calcul sera fait chaque
fois qu’une réallocation des Centuries est entreprise
par les Censors. Si le calcul donne un nombre
supérieur à 193, il ne dvra y avoir alors que 193
Centuries. Si ce nombre est inférieur à 51, il y aura
alors 51 Centuries.

II. Les Censors détermine le nombre de Centuries dans
chaque classe par édit, comme prévu dans la Lex Iunia
Centuriata. Si les Censors décident de ne pas le
faire, alors la même proportion déjà en vigueur et
provenant de l’allocation précédente doit s’appliquer
en prenant soin de préserver les tailles relatives de
chaque classe. A noter que la Centurie comprenant les
Capite Censi doit être considéré en dehors de toute
classe.

J’aimerais exposer tout ceci par un exemple
d’allocation.

Il y a actuellement 424 citoyens Assidui. 171 paient
leur taxes et 253 en sont exempts jusqu’à l’année
prochaine.

424 divisé par 8 font 53, il y aura donc 53 Centuries.

Classe Ancienne Nouvelle Taille relative
I 55 55/192=0.286 0.286*52=14.87
II 47 47/192=0245 0.245*52=12.72
III 39 39/192=0.203 0.203*52=10.56
IV 30 30/192=0.156 0.156*52=8.12
V 21 21/192=0.109 0.109*52=5.6
Capite Censi 1 1 1
Total 193 53

Ce calcul devra être automatique et devra être fait
comme tel, si les Censors ne publient pas un édit
fixant la taille des Centuries.

En Novembre, juste avant les élections annuelles, nous
ferons les calculs. De nombreux citoyens nous auront
rejoint et ils seront considérés comme Assidui.

171 citoyens payant leur taxe
253 nouveaux citoyens (Décembre à Juin)
180 prévus avant Décembre (5/7 * 253)
604 au toatl de nouveaux citoyens Assidui.

Avec cela, chaque Centurie sera plus importante
qu’auparavant, il y aura de nombreux votes. (notre
système dvra fonctionner parfaitement, souvenez vous
des difficultés rencontrées en Janvier pour les
élections d’un Praetor)

Je vous demande d’approuver cette loi afin de
permettre plusieurs votes en même temps de chaque
centurie et d’avoir un bon déroulement lors des
élections au sein du Comitia Centuriata.

Valete, Octavius.

Translated by sextus Apollonius Scipio


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] COMITIA PROVINCIAE ITALIAE
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:19:11 +0200

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

The COMITIA PROVINCIAE ITALIAE DE ELECTIONE SYMBOLORVM PROVINCIAE are
convened as published in the Edictum Propraetoricum Provinciae Italiae VI.

All the Nova Roman citizens of the Provincia Italia are called to vote the
provincial symbology which will be official by an Edictum after the end of
the polls. The Comitia will finish in the Idiis of July in 2755 (July 15,
2002), when the results will be announced, and the voted not will anonymous.

The Comitia run by the polls' service of the mailing list
NR_Italia by Yahoo!!! at http://it.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Italia/polls .
However, the citizens not memebers of the provincial mailing list can vote
sending an e-mail to Marcus Apulus Caesar [stefano_trevisani@tin.it] within
nova roman name, real name and votes.

The proposals running are the following:

##### HYMN ##### http://italia.novaroma.org/inno.htm
1) "Coram Deis" (Davanti agli dei) by Manius Constantinus Serapio

##### LOGO ##### http://italia.novaroma.org/logos.htm
1) LUPA E GEMELLI by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
2) LUPA E SPQR by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
3) ELMO PROVINCIALE by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
4) CORONA DORATA by Lucius Spartacus
5) SPQR ITALIANO by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
6) ROMA INVICTA by Marcus Iulius Perusianus
7) COLOSSEUM by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
8) COLONNA ITALICA by Franciscus Apulus Caesar
9) UMBELICUS ORBIS by Marcus Iulius Perusianus
10) UMBELICUS ORBIS 2 by Marcus Iulius Perusianus
11) SETTE COLLI by Brettia Solaria Danica
12) LUPA E UMBELICUS ORBIS by Marcus Iulius Perusianus
13) LUPA E UMBELICUS ORBIS 2 by Marcus Iulius Perusianus
14) AQUILA ROMANA by Gaius Quirinus Longinus Minor
15) PENINSULA ITALICA by Gaius Quirinus Longinus Minor

##### GODS ##### http://italia.novaroma.org/gods.htm
1) GIOVE STATORE
2) MARS
3) FORTUNA PRIMIGENIA and ROMOLUS QUIRINUS
4) ROMA AETERNA and GIOVE INDIGETO
5) GIOVE
6) DEA ROMA
7) DIVO IULIO

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship approved!
From:	"Julilla" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Sun, 07 Jul 2002 22:04:00 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "mikesaraw" <MVariusPM@a...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
<snipped>
>
> As an aside, having the worst time with yahoo for getting the
list.
> Apparently, my wife and I shall have to have different yahoo
accounts
> to each get the list mail separately. We've had the worst time
trying
> to figure out why it keeps sending the list to one or the other of
> us, since we've got both our email addresses listed. My new
> understanding of it is, the "primary" gets mail and even though
other
> email addresses are able to be listed, they don't get the posts and
> they can't send mail back to the list... very awkward.

Salve! Try deleting your cookie files. Yahoo's simply dreadful about
setting them (among other bad habits) and clearing your cookies may
help both of you. You'll have to go through the bother of logging out
and in again, but... famous last words... it SHOULD work!

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.konoko.net

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Gratias, thankyouverymuch
From:	"Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:50:45 -0700

What a great kickoff to what promises to be a great festival of Apollo!
My thanks to Manius Constantius Serapio and my soror Pompeia Cornelia
Strabo, our halftime entertainment, the Subura Boys and foremost, our
Plebian Aedile, Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix.
I just want to say on behalf of Invictus, he's glad to have won what turned
out to be a desperate, if entertaining hunt. He's getting a nasty leg wound
treated by the finest doctor from Alexandria that money can buy.
Getting Invictus was all done for our fans in the Flavian Amphitheater and
our home viewers, who make it all possible. It took a lot of time, effort
and sesterces to get Invictus. Unfortunately this Cornelian sponsor is not
as rich as the family name, and couldn't put him into the finest training
camp. Uh, maybe we can get him in better fighting trim next time around.
Frankly this is my first ludi beyond the Circenses, so I've got a lot to
learn here. Did I mention that we've got more Ludi Circenses coming in the
future?
In conclusion, Invictus will be recovering, and will be glad to meet the
women of the aristocratic and equestrian families. Gaius Cornelius
Ahenobarbus would like a small fee for the priviledge of the introduction.



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