Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The best Candidate
From:	"sceptia" <sceptia@yahoo.es>
Date:	Mon, 08 Jul 2002 01:39:50 -0000

Salve amice.

Galaicus has been my predecessor in the charge of managing the Ludii
in Hispania, and his work has been so brilliant that it´s very
difficult for me to follow the wide path he opened for us. As
Princeps Curiae he organizated and leads the Provincial politics like
a real expert, discussing and providing a wise guide to all of us.
His writtings are just marvellous. And his use of time, a virtuousm
lesson.
And of course, I will support him. :-)

Vale,

Sceptius.
Scriba P. Arenae. Hispania


--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "artabrus" <piteas@i...> wrote:
> Avete, cives!
>
> My name is Gn. Salix Galaicus, citizen of the province Hispania,
and
> I want to be a candidate for the post of rogator of NR.
> I am scriba (scriba of the chariot races) of the aedilis curulis
and
> scriba (the chairman of the provincial curia) of the propraetor of
my
> province. Therefore I am experienced at the basic novoroman
> bureaucracy.
> I offer my time to occupy this post and to help in this simple but
> necessary task of government.
>
> Valete!
>
> Salix Galaicus
> Scriba cursus equorum aedilis curulis.
> Princeps Curiae Hispaniae

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Formidable Opponent
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Jul 2002 03:26:13 -0000

Salve fellow cives,

I am pleased to see another stepping forth to declare his candidacy
for the office of Rogator. One with an excellent resume of service
and an obvious fire of enthusiasm to serve. Gn. Salix Calaicus is
indeed a formidable opponent that I face.

I will not go on length about my past service to Nova Roma as I will
freely admit I have no great laurels, just the fire of enthusiasm to
serve Nova Roma. A fire that is unbanked by having many tasks and
duties. After all how many irons can one fire hold before it is
quenched? How many duties can one man or woman perform before one
duty or the other suffers neglect? Is it better to have one person
who is willing to serve one duty or to have one person attempting to
serve many duties?

I do not demean Galaicus' laurels and accomplishments in service to
Nova Roma, in deed they should be rewarded and applauded. But I do
ask, fellow cives, is the office of Rogator a mere trinket to be
given as a reward like a gold watch at a retirement ceremony?

I may not have intimate knowledge of the Nova Roman bureaucracy, but
if I am elected I would have three experienced colleagues. I must
ponder just how much bureaucracy a Rogator must face as thanks to our
Consul and his Lex Cornelia Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum Populi
Tributorum and Lex Cornelia Octavia de Ratione Comitiorum
Centuriatorum, the election laws are now cut and dry and all in one
place. The duty of the rogator is to make a fair and accurate tally
of the votes and report them back to the presiding magistrate. A
rogator hardly faces the bureaucratic tangle that a Consul, Censor,
Praetor, Quaestor, or provinicial governor may face.

I ask for your vote, cives, not as a reward for past service, but as
an opportunity to serve my fellow cives.

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] VENATIONES - 1st day comments
From:	"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Mon, 08 Jul 2002 08:47:53 -0000

AVETE OMNES

What a great start for the first Venationes of Nova Roma!!!
One fighter out of three has been killed: we are quite lucky, aren't
we? :)

Obviously I am sorry for Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus: our
Mageri had all the abilities to win, but a *rhino* is no joke! Now he
has only 500 Sestertii: I don't think we will have a Venator so cheap
(at least, he would be veeery, veeery frail: not so good for the
Arena). He may always ask somebody for a money loan (or even a small
gift), otherwise he won't be able to take part to next venationes.

On the contrary, MY CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR FIRST WINNERS!!!

Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili, with his strong Baccibus: [ich
gratuliere, mein Freund, ein Schwarzbar ist kein Pluschtier!!!]
congratulation, my friend, a black bear is not a teddybear!!!

And Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus, whose fighter, Invictus, didn't
betray his latin name ("undefeated"). Hercle! A *panther*! I must
confess that I had little hope for him. Ahenobarbus now has no
Sestertii, but he will receive a good award from Ludus Pentasium (the
gymnasium Invictus trains in) the last day of these Ludi Apollinares.

What can I say more? Start doing calculations! Every gymnasium
allocated 50,000 SESTERTII !!! In every gymnasium, they will be
divided among the winners!
e.g. if Ahenobarbus will be the only winner within the Ludus
Pentasium, he will be awarded with 50,000 Sestertii (I am
fainting...) But, if in this Ludus there will be five winners,
everyone will receive 10,000 Sestertii (no bad anyway!).
So, dear Ahenobarbus, you can hope to see your colleagues' fighters
loosing next combats!!!

Today our Optima Praetrix Pompeia Cornelia Strabo and "The Musarum
Network" will entertain us again with the commentary of the second
day of fighting.
Afer (by the italic decurion Marcus Apulus Caesar) and Crispinus (by
the neoPropraetor Galliae Sextus Apollonius Scipio) are the venatores
that will battle in the Colosseum today.
I hope they keep calm and concentration: their little animals don't
look very.... friendly!

HAVE A GOOD TIME, QUIRITES, WITH THE SECOND DAY OF THE NOVAROMAN
VENATIONES OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES!!!

BENE VALETE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
***LVDI APOLLINARES***
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix.html

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Fwd: Re: Ludi Venatorii July 8
From:	"Susan Brett" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:27:49 -0400

>From: "Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
>To: trog99@hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: Ludi Venatorii July 8
>Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:25:35 +0000
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
>>To: mcserapio@yahoo.it
>>CC: scriba_forum@hotmail.com
>>Subject: Ludi Venatorii July 8
>>Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:38:36 +0000
>>
>>
>>
>>CIVITES, PEREGRINII, AMICII NOVA ROMA!!!
>>
>>ONCE AGAIN, LIVE AT THE AMPHITEATRUM FLAVIUM ROMA!!!!!!
>
>BY THE WILL OF THE SENATUS POPULESQUE NOVA ROMA!!!!!
>>
>>THE LUDI VENATORII OF THE LUDI APOLLONARES
>>
>>IN HONOUR OF APOLLO!!!!!
>>
>>Salvete Omnes!!! Once again we ready ourselves for another session of
>>gladiatorial/venatorial spectacles, as part of this festival.
>>
>>Pompeia Cornelia here live in the Amphiteatrum to give you the
>>play-by-play action!
>>
>>Right now the Consuls are being escorted in with their lictors and are
>>taking their places in the theatre, amidst cheers of "Sulla" and
>>"Octavi"!!! Octavius has brought his cat!!! I love that cat...he better
>>not leave that cat lying around....kidding, kidding :)
>>
>>Beautiful maidens, courtesy of the office of the Plebian Aedile, Tiberius
>>Apollonius Cicatrix, are handing out, huge, stunning sunflowers to the
>>spectators, a favourite flower of fair Apollo, as we are historically
>>advised.
>>
>>Women are fashioning hats, belts, bustiers and anything imaginable with
>>these big, lovely flowers. The amphiteatrum is a sea of yellow!!
>>
>>You cannot accuratly describe the ecstasy of this noisy, cheering crowd.
>>You have to be here....I have no words, amicii.
>>
>>And now, the formal religious exercises are about to commence, followed by
>>a singing of the Nova Roma National Anthem by the famous tenor from Turin,
>>Manius Constantius Serapio.....
>>
>>Oh Serapio's singing brings a tear to my sentimental eye...alas!!!
>>
>>AND NOW.....
>>LET THE LUDII COMMENCE!!!!!
>>
>>
>>***********ENTERING THE ARENA.............
>>
>>amidst a hovering groups of admirers and servants, is a frequent
>>participant of various ludi: Citizen Marcus Apulus Caesar. Friends chant
>>"Hail Caesar", and the crowd joins in....oh WHAT'S THIS???
>>
>>A WAVE IN THE THEATRE...THE CROWD IS CREATING A MASSIVE WAVE, WHILE
>>CHANTING 'HAIL CAESAR'......
>>
>>Ahh, now that they have quieted down a bit, we can find out whose is
>>combating on his behalf.....here he is:
>>
>>AFER of AFRICA!!!! FROM THE LUDUS PENTASIUM!!!
>>
>>Now there's one bruin of a fellow, and to boot....he has a strength of 38
>>and a resistance of 42.
>>
>>Our Caesar has paid a huge 9,000 sestertii for this brute, plus a grand to
>>have him trained. Unfortunately, that renders Caesar broke.
>>
>>Well, perhaps, like his cognomenal namesake, he is going to make a divine
>>gamble, Venus Victrix style!!??? I hope he is as lucky and as calculated
>>as Iulius of old!!!
>>
>>Afer of Africa, wearing a straw skirt, calligae, and a thick ring of gold
>>around his trunk-like neck. His wife, Dippea Caput Absentia is in the
>>crowd....she is not allowed to speak in public, I'm told.
>>
>>Afer has a pilum and scutum to aid in his pursuit.
>>
>>Afer ventures to the center of the ring to meet a formidable foe just
>>released into the arena. Caesar has exited to his place of view (and
>>safety!!)
>>
>>A BRUIN......caught in Gallia Cisalpina.......a black bear, with a
>>strength of 16 and a resistence of 40.
>>
>>With bears, you can never go by numbers, amicii....even though the
>>strength tally is down compared to Afer's, the outcome can still go either
>>way.
>>
>>After rushes to the center of the arena...sticks the pilum in the ground,
>>polevaults off the end of the pilum to land smack on the bruins'
>>back......the bruin squirms and growls...this is one big, big bear!!!
>>
>>AFER HAS A RESISTENCE OF 42.....OUR BRUIN A RESISTENCE OF 22
>>
>>Our beast scrambles to get on all four legs, but is having difficulty.
>>This is a bear and not an elephant, and Afer is about 350 lb. and is built
>>like a brick vomitorium!!!! The bear manages, but just briefly...the
>>crowd is wild with the strength of this bear. Afer, for the moment is not
>>worried about the location of his pollvault/pilum..the bear sits back
>>down, and Afer gives him a rather tight 'bearhug' from behind....the bear
>>is wincing...he is 'not' having a good time!!!
>>
>>AFER HAS A RESISTENCE OF 41....OUR BEAR A RESISTENCE OF 22.
>>
>>Afer jumps off the bear.......runs to his pilum.....stops.....runs away
>>from the pilum........and runs around and around, laughing, singing,
>>dancing......the crowd is going crazy!!! What is he up to??? What is his
>>plan......does he have one????
>>
>>Dippea Caput Absentia is even wondering about her husband' modus
>>operandae, I'm sure........but as usual....likely "dosn't have a clue",
>>and if she ever did have one, she is not allowed to speak in
>>public...alas........
>>
>>Afer, far away from the struggling bear and the pilum......stops....then,
>>at unrelenting speed runs toward the pilum, pollvaults off it once again,
>>and LANDS ONCE AGAIN DIRECTLY ON THE BEAR!!!!!! UNBELIEVABLE ACCURACY IN
>>POLLVAULTING.......SUCH COURAGE IN THE FACE OF SUCH A FORMIDABLE FOE!!!!!!
>>
>>The crowd is unrelenting! Caesar's gamble paid off!!!!
>>
>>THE BEAR SUCCUMBS!!!
>>
>>AFER VICTOR!!!!!
>>
>>AFER FINISHES WITH A RESISTENCE OF 38!!!! AND FURTHER OPPORTUNITIES AT
>>EVEN GREATER SPECTACLES THAN THIS, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE A GREATER SPECTACLE
>>THAN THIS!!
>>
>>***************And now a network timeout*************
>>
>>THIS IS THE MUSARUM TELEVISION NETWORK
>>
>>****************************
>>
>>We are back live.......alas, there are so many food and Falernian stands
>>... represented by Senator Venator's Fast Foods, Clodia's Deli and
>>Sweetmeats, Vineyards, fruit and vegetable growers....ahh, nobody will
>>starve here today!!!
>>
>>WHAT'S THIS?????
>>
>>DANCING GIRLS.....THERE MUST BE A HUNDRED OF THEM.....SINGING AND DANCING
>>IN THE ARENA.......AND WHOSE COMING???
>>
>>It's Sextus Apollonius Scipio, riding his famous thoroughbread from
>>Gallia, "Gallian Stallion". The Propraetor of Gallia has obviously spared
>>no expense at providing the crowd with some additional
>>entertainment.......the girls are continuing to dance, and behold....also
>>riding a horse is Sextus' fighter, Crispinus of Sarmatia, from the Ludus
>>Leontinus. Crispie, as his friends call him, has a strengh of 30 and a
>>resistance of 30. Hmm....nice even numbers I guess.
>>
>>Apollonius has shelled out 5,000 for crispie, and an additional 2,000 to
>>train him at the ludus, leaving our Propraetor Gallia with 3,000 cold,
>>hard, uncommitted cash.
>>
>>The dancing girls encircle themselves around Apollonius and Crispie,
>>singing, dancing, wielding yellow ribbons around themselves as they flit
>>about....the look like beautiful fairies.........
>>
>>Our beauties and Propraetor Apollonius exit the arena....and Crispie take
>>his place to greet.......
>>
>>A BULL!!! This bull was caught in Lusitania (apparently nearly tore down
>>all the tents of the via Praetoria in a military camp). He has a strength
>>of 20 and a resistence of 25.
>>
>>Crispie will ride his horse, and will use a noose and a red palla to rouse
>>the bull, I suppose.
>>
>>Crispie begins to ride behind the charging bull, who has, I believe caught
>>site of the red palla......that bull is charged, I do believe!!!
>>Crispie is behind the bull, and is trying to lasoo him....Crispie is
>>whirling the noose around....well, it would appear that he 'has' the
>>bull....ahhh, by the tail!! Oh, well......
>>
>>CRISPIUS HAS RESISTENCE OF THIRTY AND THE BULL, SEVEN
>>
>>The noose is loose from the bull's tail (fortunately for the bull!)
>>
>>The bull runs away from Crispinus and his horse...stops, sees the red
>>palla, and begins his head-on charge toward our horseriding
>>fighter........Crispinus wields his noose, while holding the red palla
>>within eyesight of the bull..........the bull approaches with flank speed
>>CRISPIE......YOU ARE GOOD!!! RIGHT ON TARGET!!! OUR BULL IS HEAD TIED
>>The bull succumbs in an fruitless attempt to free himself.
>>
>>CRISPINUS VICTOR!!!!
>>FINALE: CRISPINUS RESISTENCE 28....BULL, NONE, NOTTA ZIPPO
>>
>>Crispinus waves to the receiving cheering crowd and takes his place among
>>the spectators.
>>
>>Congratulations to the victors, and many thanks to the staff of Tiberius
>>Apollonius Cicatrix, Plebian Aedile, who made this festival possible.
>>
>>AND THAT IS IT FOR COMBAT ACTIVITY TODAY, AMICII......MANY ARE STAYING TO
>>ENJOY FURTHER MUSICAL ACTIVITIES, COMEDY SKITS AND THE LIKE.
>>
>>FOR FURTHER INFORMATION PLEASE CONSULT THE WEBSITE OF THE LUDI APOLLONARES
>>OR CHECK YOUR LUDI PROGRAMS
>>
>>AVE AND BENE VALETE QUIRITES!!!!
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship approved!
From:	"gaius galerius viator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:19:26 +0000

I'd suggest to subscribe to hotmail, instead, for clarity and simplicity.


>From: "mikesaraw" <MVariusPM@aol.com>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship approved!
>Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 07:58:32 -0000
>
>Salve,
>
> Thank you, so much. I am so very pleased to begin the
>paterfamiliias Varius. It is truly a great honor and I hope that the
>gens shall be one of distinction. As soon as I recieve said "login
>code" I shall most certainly update the profile. As yet, my wife and
>I do not have a suitable photo to include (I don't think Elizabethan
>court garb would probably do... need a new photo). Working on that.
>As soon as possible, we shall post one.
>
> As an aside, having the worst time with yahoo for getting the list.
>Apparently, my wife and I shall have to have different yahoo accounts
>to each get the list mail separately. We've had the worst time trying
>to figure out why it keeps sending the list to one or the other of
>us, since we've got both our email addresses listed. My new
>understanding of it is, the "primary" gets mail and even though other
>email addresses are able to be listed, they don't get the posts and
>they can't send mail back to the list... very awkward. She said she
>didn't mind setting up her own yahoo account so we can both get the
>list and post from our respective emails. It's just an electronic
>pain in the... something. Just seemed so odd that a server would
>allow alternate email addresses and then not allow each of them to
>recieve mail. Very strange.
>
>Valate,
>M. Varius
>
>--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Julilla" <curatrix@v...> wrote:
> > Julilla Sempronia Magna Marcus Varius Pullus SPD
> >
> > Felicitatio, paterfamilias Varia! Congratulations civis NovaRomanus!
> >
> > Your profile has already been added to the roster of cives
> > NovaRomanae, and if you have received your login code, you can
> > customize your citizen profile.
> >
> > If you have a photo that you'd like added to your profile, I invite
> > you to send it to me and I will upload it.
> >
> > Again, welcome!
> >
>
>
>




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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship approved!
From:	Jenny Harris <J.Harris@awgais.com>
Date:	Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:50:15 -0600

Ave Varius,

First off, welcome to Nova Roma! I've had many many e-mail addresses and
yahoogroups can be a pain....
The method that worked for me and I'll suggest is having your alternate
e-mail address become your primary
One. That can be easily be done in the section of changing settings. Well in
any case I hope this solution
Will help and good luck.

Vale Bene,
Aeternia

-----Original Message-----
From: gaius galerius viator
[mailto:gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:19 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship approved!

I'd suggest to subscribe to hotmail, instead, for clarity
and simplicity.


>From: "mikesaraw" <MVariusPM@aol.com>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship approved!
>Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 07:58:32 -0000
>
>Salve,
>
> Thank you, so much. I am so very pleased to begin the
>paterfamiliias Varius. It is truly a great honor and I hope
that the
>gens shall be one of distinction. As soon as I recieve said
"login
>code" I shall most certainly update the profile. As yet, my
wife and
>I do not have a suitable photo to include (I don't think
Elizabethan
>court garb would probably do... need a new photo). Working
on that.
>As soon as possible, we shall post one.
>
> As an aside, having the worst time with yahoo for
getting the list.
>Apparently, my wife and I shall have to have different
yahoo accounts
>to each get the list mail separately. We've had the worst
time trying
>to figure out why it keeps sending the list to one or the
other of
>us, since we've got both our email addresses listed. My new
>understanding of it is, the "primary" gets mail and even
though other
>email addresses are able to be listed, they don't get the
posts and
>they can't send mail back to the list... very awkward. She
said she
>didn't mind setting up her own yahoo account so we can both
get the
>list and post from our respective emails. It's just an
electronic
>pain in the... something. Just seemed so odd that a server
would
>allow alternate email addresses and then not allow each of
them to
>recieve mail. Very strange.
>
>Valate,
>M. Varius
>
>--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Julilla" <curatrix@v...> wrote:
> > Julilla Sempronia Magna Marcus Varius Pullus SPD
> >
> > Felicitatio, paterfamilias Varia! Congratulations civis
NovaRomanus!
> >
> > Your profile has already been added to the roster of
cives
> > NovaRomanae, and if you have received your login code,
you can
> > customize your citizen profile.
> >
> > If you have a photo that you'd like added to your
profile, I invite
> > you to send it to me and I will upload it.
> >
> > Again, welcome!
> >
>
>
>





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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: LUDI VENATORI JUL vii
From:	"curiobritannicus" <Marcusaemiliusscaurus@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Jul 2002 17:51:21 -0000

Salvete omnes,

> >>Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus, very despondent looking at
this
> >>point. A loser of the encounter, but apparently also of a good
friend;
> >>Mageri and he have quite a history of friendship.
> >>
> >>This was Mageri's choice of lifestyle, and this time, there would
be no
> >>'next time'. Word has it that he would not be happy living any
other way.

**Curio stands up in his seat, muttering,
"By Iuppiter, that Rhino was tenacious - perhaps it has an ox in its
ancestry?"
He holds his head high, his stoic nature refusing him the luxury of
grief. He holds his hand up, to gesture that he would like to make
an announcement. The cives quieten, wondering what an Aedile who
just lost a good friend to the Ludi might say.
"I have 1500 sestertii left, which are useless to me, given my frugal
lifestyle. In any case, I could not honourably use money supplied by
the organiser of these Ludi for my own ends. I therefore make this
promise, in order to help promote activity at the next Ludi: I will
give my last 1500 sestertii to the first new person to sign up for
the venationes at the next Ludi organised my honourable colleague,
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix."
Having made this promise, Curio walks calmly back to his insula,
ignoring the cheering crowds.**

Bene valete,
Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus.

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] ATTN [Religio Romana]: ante diem VIII Idus Quinctilias (July 8th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <antonio.grilo@inov.pt>
Date:	Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:02:55 +0100

PONTIFEX ANTONIVS GRYLLVS GRAECVS OMNIBVS CIVIBVS SALVTEM

This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action or
public voting can take place.

Macrobius [Macrobius, Saturnalia, 3.2.11 seq.] says that after the roman
people had fled before the Etruscans on the Nones (and he points this flight
to be the origin of the Poplifugia - which nevertheless is marked on the
calendar as July 5th and not as on the Nones of July 7th), they won a
victory on the following day (July 8th) and established sacrifices for the
goddess Vitula. Macrobius quotes various explanations of the name: Piso
connected it with 'victoria' (victory); Fabius derived it from 'vitulari'
which meant 'voce laetari', perhaps 'to sing a paean', while a certain
Hyllus said that Vitula was the goddess of joy; others connected her name
with 'vita' (life), since she received as offerings the first fruits of the
earth which give life [Vergilius, Georgicae, 3.77]. Roman scholars do not
seem to have considered the possibility of 'vitulus' (heifer), an animal
which was offered as a scapegoat in the rites at Iguvium. However, whatever
the precise nature of the goddess, the ceremony on July 8th seems to have
been an official one which was attended by the Pontifices.

The month of Quinctilis was renamed Iulius in 44 BCE in honour of the
deified C. Iulius Caesar. This month is sacred to Iuppiter.

Di vos bene ament

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] 'Caesars' on Jeopardy!
From:	"radams36" <radams36@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:23:50 -0000

Okay, who saw the Jeopardy! category 'Caesars' show up Friday (from
the sequence - Rock, Paper, Caesars)? Wish that had been a category
the day I played. If anyone's interested, my show will air a while
from now, scheduled for October 9th. I'll be the guy in the middle
who comes in second....

Valete!

Rufus Iulius Palaeologus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LUDI APOLLI ARES - Roman authors II
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:50:22 +0100 (BST)

Salvete!

The second Roman author I would like to present is the
great Marcus Tullius Cicero:

----------
MARCUS TULLIUS CICERO

Marcus Tullius Cicero was born (106 BC) in Arpinum, a
small town almost 100 km / 62 miles south from Rome.
There, on the countryside of Latium, the old
republican spirit had been kept, and the people there
looked with utmost respect to the holy city, the
centre of the world: Rome. But in this holy city there
ruled a completely opposite spirit: there were wars
and revolutions without end: nobility, the equites,
plebeians, slaves, city proletarians and Italian
‘municipia’ formed just as much parties with different
concerns. All that was sacred before, is now fought,
and after many upheavals the senate had lost almost
all of their influence. Around 106 BC, when Cicero was
born, a fellow citizen from Arpinum, Caius Marius, had
his greatest triumphs: in 107 BC he was consul, the
first ‘homo novus’ to reach this office; in 105 BC he
defeated Jugurtha; he was again consul from 104 to 101
BC; and in 102-101 BC he defeated the Teutons and
Cimbri. He will be an example for Marcus Tullius
Cicero.

In 92 BC Cicero started his great adventure: together
with his brother Quintus he entered the City, where a
new world opens up before him. Cicero’s father was an
equestrian and possessed a house in Rome; the contacts
he had with the greatest personalities, are immense:
Cicero’s political career was well prepared. Now his
serious studies began, and Cicero was a very gifted
student. His first teacher was Crassus, a friend of
the family. He died in 91 BC, and Cicero himself tells
us he went to the curia six days later to see the
place where Crassus had last spoken; already then the
young Cicero will have been thinking of his future. On
March 17, 90 BC Cicero received the ‘toga virilis’.
Next he was introduced in the cultural circle of the
jurist Mucius Scaevola. This 80 year old man forms a
bridge between Cicero and the former circle around
Scipio: everyone who had a great name in Rome, stopped
by at his house. This way the ambitious Cicero meets
rather early with all the greatest personalities in
Rome. Also around this time, 90-89 BC, he served in
the army, first under Gnaeus Pompeius Strabo, then
under Sulla.

When Cicero was 24 years old, his education was
completed. He was ready to enter the political life of
the disturbed capital; on that moment ruled by
dictator Sulla. In 81 BC Cicero appeared for the first
time in public: he defended Quinctius against
Hortensius, the best known lawyer at that time, and
against the party of Sulla. The following year, in 80
BC, he defended Sextus Roscius against a protégé of
Sulla, something no other lawyer would have dared.
With these two orations (also published) Cicero
achieved what he desired: he became famous and there
was no trial up to his talent. But Cicero suffered
from shortness of breath, and doctors advised him to
stop his career as an orator. But this would have
meant mental suicide. Thus Cicero, accompanied by his
brother Quintus and his friend Atticus, travelled to
Greece to learn the perfect breathing techniques. At
first he studied in Athens with Demetrius. Then he
travelled to Asia Minor, where he visited all
universities, and then he reached Rhodos, where he
found his greatest teacher Apollonius Molon.


EXTRACT FROM THE ORATIO PRO SEXTO ROSCIO:
“Credo ego vos, iudices, mirari quid sit quod, cum tot
summi oratores hominesque nobilissimi sedeant, ego
potissimum surrexerim, is qui neque aetate neque
ingenio neque auctoritate sim cum his qui sedeant
comparandus. Omnes hi quos videtis adesse in hac causa
iniuriam novo scelere conflatam putant oportere
defendi, defendere ipsi propter iniquitatem temporum
non audent. Ita fit ut adsint propterea quod officium
sequuntur, taceant autem idcirco quia periculum
vitant. Quid ergo? audacissimus ego ex omnibus?
Minime. An tanto officiosior quam ceteri? Ne istius
quidem laudis ita sum cupidus ut aliis eam praereptam
velim. Quae me igitur res praeter ceteros impulit u
causam Sex. Rosci reciperem? quia, si qui istorum
dixisset quos videtis adesse, in quibus summa
auctoritas est atque amplitudo, si verbum de re
publica fecisset, id quod in hac causa fieri necesse
est, multo plura dixisse quam dixisset putaretur. Ego
autem si omnia quae dicenda sunt libere dixero,
nequaquam tamen similiter oratio mea exire atque in
volgus emanare poterit. Deinde quod ceterorum neque
dictum obscurum potest esse propter nobilitatem et
amplitudinem neque temere dicto concedi propter
aetatem et prudentiam. Ego si quid liberius dixero,
vel occultum esse propterea quod nondum ad rem
publicam accessi, vel ignosci adulescentiae meae
poterit; tametsi non modo ignoscendi ratio verum etiam
cognoscendi consuetudo iam de civitate sublata est.
Accedit illa quoque causa quod a ceteris forsitan ita
petitum sit ut dicerent, ut utrumvis salvo officio se
facere posse arbitrarentur; a me autem ei contenderunt
qui apud me et amicitia et beneficiis et dignitate
plurimum possunt, quorum ego nec benevolentiam erga me
ignorare nec auctoritatem aspernari nec voluntatem
neglegere debebam.”

“I imagine that you, O judges, are marvelling why it
is that when so many most eminent orators and most
noble men are sitting still, I above all others should
get up, who neither for age, nor for ability, nor for
influence, am to be compared to those who are sitting
still. For all these men whom you see present at this
trial think that a man ought to be defended against
all injury contrived against him by unrivalled
wickedness; but through the sad state of the times
they do not dare to defend him themselves. So it comes
to pass that they are present here because they are
attending to their business, but they are silent
because they are afraid of danger. What then? Am I the
boldest of all these men? By no means. Am I then so
much more attentive to my duties than the rest? I am
not so covetous of even that praise, as to wish to rob
others of it. What is it then which has impelled me
beyond all the rest to undertake the cause of Sextus
Roscius? Because, if any one of those men, men of the
greatest weight and dignity, whom you see present, had
spoken, had said one word about public affairs, as
must be done in this case, he would be thought to have
said much more than he really had said. But if I
should say all the things which must be said with ever
so much freedom, yet my speech will never go forth or
be diffused among the people in the same manner.
Secondly, because anything said by the others cannot
be obscure, because of their nobility and dignity, and
cannot be excused as being spoken carelessly, on
account of their age and prudence; but if I say
anything with too much freedom, it may either be
altogether concealed, because I have not yet mixed in
public affairs, or pardoned on account of my youth;
although not only the method of pardoning, but even
the habit of examining into the truth is now
eradicated from the State. There is this reason, also,
that perhaps the request to undertake this cause was
made to the others so that they thought they could
comply or refuse without prejudice to their duty; but
those men applied to me who have the greatest weight
with me by reason of their friendship with me, of the
kindnesses they have done me, and of their own
dignity; whose kindness to me I could not be ignorant
of whose authority I could not despise, whose desires
I could not neglect.”


In 75 BC, two years after his return from Greece,
Cicero became quaestor; now he was also a member of
the senate. He held this office on Sicily, where his
main task was to take care of grain supplies. Cicero
was sure he did his job excellent, but already on his
return to Rome he noticed that it did not matter in
the capital whatever he did in the provinces.
Something else he learned; if one doesn’t want to be
forgotten in Rome, one has to be there constantly. His
rise in politics now went very quick: aedilis in 69
BC, praetor in 66 BC. Immediately hereafter he began
with his greatest dream: becoming consul. His main
opposites were Caius Antonius and Lucius Sergius
Catilina. But because these two seemed very
unreliable, Roman nobility felt obliged to support
Cicero with all possible means. And indeed, Cicero is
chosen as consul with an enormous majority of votes;
Caius Antonius won from Catilina to become the second
consul.

At the end of 64 BC Cicero manages to temper his new
colleague by giving him the very rich province of
Macedonia to rule. And more, Antonius is attached to
quaestor Publius Sestius, a good friend of Cicero (and
a nice spy!). then started the year 63 BC, a
political highlight for Cicero. A conspiracy,
organised by Catilina, with plans for a big
revolution, was discovered by Cicero. He attacks
Catilina in the senate with his four orations Against
Catilina (this conspiracy is also desribed by
Sallustius: De Catilinae Coniuratione). He received
the title ‘Pater Patriae’, but also gained three
powerful enemies: Pompeius, Caesar and Crassus, the
first triumvirate. Cicero was banished after an
interception by Clodius, but he could return one year
later. Then he became propraetor in Cilicia until his
return in 49 BC, where he wrote his work De Oratore in
55 BC.


EXTRACT FROM THE FIRST SPEECH AGAINST CATILINA:
Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra?
Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? Quem ad
finem sese effrenata iactabit audacia? Nihilne te
nocturnum praesidium Palati, nihil urbis vigiliae,
nihil timor populi, nihil concursus bonorum omnium,
nihil hic munitissimus habendi senatus locus, nihil
horum ora voltusque moverunt? Patere tua consilia non
sentis, constrictam iam horum omnium scientia teneri
coniurationem tuam non vides? Quid proxima, quid
superiore nocte egeris, ubi fueris, quos convocaveris,
quid consili ceperis quem nostrum ignorare arbitraris?
O tempora, o mores! Senatus haec intellegit, consul
videt; hic tamen vivit. Vivit? Immo vero etiam in
senatum venit, fit publici consili particeps, notat et
designat oculis ad caedem unum quemque nostrum. Nos
autem fortes viri satis facere rei publicae videmur,
si istius furorem ac tela vitamus. Ad mortem te,
Catilina, duci iussu consulis iam pridem oportebat, in
te conferri pestem quam tu in nos omnis iam diu
machinaris. An vero vir amplissimus, P. Scipio,
pontifex maximus, Ti. Gracchum mediocriter
labefactantem statum rei publicae privatus interfecit:
Catilinam orbem terrae caede atque incendiis vastare
cupientem nos consules perferemus? Nam illa nimis
antiqua praetereo, quod C. Servilius Ahala Sp. Maelium
novis rebus studentem manu sua occidit. Fuit, fuit
ista quondam in hac re publica virtus ut viri fortes
acrioribus suppliciis civem perniciosum quam
acerbissimum hostem coercerent. Habemus senatus
consultum in te, Catilina, vehemens et grave, non
deest rei publicae consilium neque auctoritas huius
ordinis: nos, nos, dico aperte, consules desumus.

“When, O Catiline, do you mean to cease abusing our
patience? How long is that madness of yours still to
mock us? When is there to be an end of that unbridled
audacity of yours, swaggering about as it does now? Do
not the nightly guards placed on the Palatine Hill--do
not the watches posted throughout the city--does not
the alarm of the people, and the union of all good
men--does not the precaution taken of assembling the
senate in thus most defensible place--do not the looks
and countenances of this venerable body here present,
have any effect upon you? Do you not feel that your
plans are detected? Do you not see that your
conspiracy is already arrested and rendered powerless
by the knowledge which every one here possesses of it?
What is there that you did last night, what the night
before-- where is it that you were--who was there that
you summoned to meet you--what design was there which
was adopted by you, with which you think that any one
of us is unacquainted? Shame on the age and on its
principles! The senate is aware of these things; the
consul sees them; and yet this man lives. Lives! aye,
he comes even into the senate. He takes a part in the
public deliberations; he is watching and marking down
and checking off for slaughter every individual among
us. And we, gallant men that we are, think that we are
doing our duty to the republic if we keep out of the
way of his frenzied attacks. You ought, O Catiline,
long ago to have been led to execution by command of
the consul. That destruction which you have been long
plotting against us ought to have already fallen on
your own head. What? Did not that most illustrious
man, Publius Scipio, the Pontifex Maximus, in his
capacity of a private citizen, put to death Tiberius
Gracchus, though but slightly undermining the
constitution? And shall we, who are the consuls,
tolerate Catiline, openly desirous to destroy the
whole world with fire and slaughter? For I pass over
older instances, such as how Caius Servilius Ahala
with his own hand slew Spurius Maelius when plotting a
revolution in the state. There was--there was once
such virtue in this republic, that brave men would
repress mischievous citizens with severer chastisement
than the most bitter enemy. For we have a resolution
of the senate, a formidable and authoritative decree
against you, O Catiline; the wisdom of the republic is
not at fault, nor the dignity of this senatorial body.
We, we alone,--I say it openly, --we, the consuls, are
waiting in our duty.”


At this time he also wrote some other philosophical
works: De Re Publica (on the best form of government),
De Legibus (on law), De Finibus Bonorum Et Malorum (on
the boundaries of good and evil), Tusculanae
Disputationes (discussions is Tusculum, on death and
pain, on passion and luck), De Natura Deorum (on the
nature of gods), De Officiis (on duties), … He also
wrote many letters, published after his death, about
the period 68-43 BC: Ad Familiares, Ad Atticum, Ad
Quintum Fratrem, Ad M. Brutum.


EXTRACT FROM A LETTER TO POMPEIUS MAGNUS:
“Scr. Romae m. Apr. a. 692 (62). M. TVLLIVS M. F.
CICERO S. D. CN. POMPEIO CN. fl
MAGNO IMPERATORI. S. T. E. Q. V. B. E. ex litteris
tuis, quas publice misisti, cepi una cum omnibus
incredibilem voluptatem; tantam enim spem oti
ostendisti, quantam ego semper omnibus te uno fretus
pollicebar. sed hoc scito, tuos veteres hostis, novos
amicos, vehementer litteris perculsos atque ex magna
spe deturbatos iacere. ad me autem litteras quas
misisti, quamquam exiguam significationem tuae erga me
voluntatis habebant, tamen mihi scito iucundas fuisse;
nulla enim re tam laetari soleo quam meorum officiorum
conscientia; quibus si quando non mutue respondetur,
apud me plus offici residere facillime patior. illud
non dubito quin, si te mea summa erga te studia parum
mihi adiunxerint, res publica nos inter nos
conciliatura coniuncturaque sit. ac ne ignores quid
ego in tuis litteris desiderarim, scribam aperte,
sicut et mea natura et nostra amicitia postulat. res
eas gessi, quarum aliquam in tuis litteris et nostrae
necessitudinis et rei p. causa gratulationem
exspectavi; quam ego abs te praetermissam esse
arbitror, quod vererere ne cuius animum offenderes.
sed scito ea, quae nos pro salute patriae gessimus,
orbis terrae iudicio ac testimonio comprobari; quae,
cum veneris, tanto consilio tantaque animi magnitudine
a me gesta esse cognosces, ut tibi multo maiori, quam
Africanus fuit, me non multo minorem quam Laelium
facile et in re p. et in amicitia adiunctum esse
patiare.”

“M. Tullius Cicero, son of Marcus, greets Cn.
Pompeius, son of Cneius, Imperator.
If you and the army are well I shall be glad. From
your official despatch I have, in common with everyone
else, received the liveliest satisfaction; for you
have given us that strong hope of peace, of which, in
sole reliance on you, I was assuring everyone. But I
must inform you that your old enemies--now posing as
your friends--have received a stunning blow by this
despatch, and, being disappointed in the high hopes
they were entertaining, are thoroughly depressed.
Though your private letter to me contained a somewhat
slight expression of your affection, yet I can assure
you it gave me pleasure: for there is nothing in which
I habitually find greater satisfaction than in the
consciousness of serving my friends; and if on any
occasion I do not meet with an adequate return, I am
not at all sorry to have the balance of kindness in my
favour. Of this I feel no doubt--even if my
extraordinary zeal in your behalf has failed to unite
you to me--that the interests of the state will
certainly effect a mutual attachment and coalition
between us. To let you know, however, what I missed in
your letter I will write with the candour which my own
disposition and our common friendship demand. I did
expect some congratulation in your letter on my
achievements, for the sake at once of the ties between
us and of the Republic. This I presume to have been
omitted by you from a fear of hurting anyone's
feelings. But let me tell you that what I did for the
salvation of the country is approved by the judgment
and testimony of the whole world. You are a much
greater man than Africanus, but I am not much inferior
to Laelius either; and when you come home you will
recognize that I have acted with such prudence and
spirit, that you will not be ashamed of being coupled
with me in politics as well as in private friendship.”


After the death of Caesar, Cicero once again stood up
as the defender of the Res Publica, now threatened by
Marcus Antonius. His last orations, called
Philippicae, are written against Antonius. And the new
triumvirate between Octavianus, Marcus Antonius and
Lepidus demanded the sacrifice of the great orator:
Cicero was killed by soldiers of Marcus Antonius near
the end of 43 BC.

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Tomorrow a new great Roman author! Wait and see!

Valete bene

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Aedilis Plebis
Coryphaeus Sodalitatis Musarum
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
civis Novae Romae

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: LUDI VENATORI JUL vii (Curio Britannicus)
From:	"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:12:33 -0000

AVE MARCE SCRIBONI CVRIO BRITANNICE

> "I have 1500 sestertii left, which are useless to me, given my
frugal
> lifestyle. In any case, I could not honourably use money supplied
by
> the organiser of these Ludi for my own ends. I therefore make this
> promise, in order to help promote activity at the next Ludi: I will
> give my last 1500 sestertii to the first new person to sign up for
> the venationes at the next Ludi organised my honourable colleague,
> Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix."

Are you sure??? We already have 4 winners that will receive an
award, I (I hope) we will have other winners next days.
In Rome it was absolutely normal to ask for a money loan or a gift.
You could just ask for a little loan... if you win next venationes
you give the sestertii back and all is ok.
So, I repeat, are you sure?
Be careful: if you confirm your decision I will publish your promise
on the web site of the Venationes! May I? :)

VALE BENE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] 'Caesars' on Jeopardy!
From:	Krysialtemus@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:36:53 -0400

Geez, I wish you hadn't told us what place you came in! Anyway, was it what you thought it would be like?
Caecilia Drusa Dalmatica

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] A project for Provincia Gallia
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:24:13 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete Omnes,

the citizens of Gallia, and our friends, are welcome
to visit:

http:/www.fr-novaroma.com/Nova_Roma/Introduction.html

You will find there a project for our Provincia.
Thank you for your time.

Salvete,


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Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Provinciae Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Acting Praefectus for France

Terrarum dea gentiumque, Roma
Cui par est nihil et nihil secundum.

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