Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Dianas
From:	Marcus Vitellius Ligus <mvitelliusligus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:37:56 -0700 (PDT)

No offense taken at all...
Jenny Harris <J.Harris@awgais.com> wrote: Ave Marcus,

Looks like the 'Reply All' button must have been hit again. These have
happened before I've seen it.
It should've went to me I believe and me only. My apologies, I thought it
would be nice to have an
More in depth discussion about the Roman Goddess Diana and the relation with
the Goddess Aradia.
No intention of insulting of anyone was meant.

Vale,
Raina Cornelia Aeternia (Who freely admits to dying her hair black, running
around in medieval,
For the sure sake of being a total imp)


-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Vitellius Ligus
[mailto:mvitelliusligus@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Dianas


Nice little educational tip, Diana...As a practicing Wiccan
myself, I appreciate the information. even though I knew what you were
talking about, I apparently missed the original thread that led to this
point.
And No, I'm not dressed in black with dyed black hair...
Vale,
Diana Aventina <diana_aventina@yahoo.com> wrote: Salve
Aeternia,

Nice name by the way!

I don't want to bash Wiccans, but what most of
them don't realize is that modern wicca was
pretty much "created" by Gerald Gardner. And most
of what he created, he really copied word for
word from Charles Leland who did a lot of
research on Italian Witchcraft. That is how our
Diana became Diana the mother of Aradia in modern
Wicca & "the Queen of the Witches". But it all
links back to the original worship of Roman
Diana, who was still worshipped in secret in
small villages after the Christians took over. In
my little opinion, I think that the Christians
negatively gave Diana the title of Queen of the
Witches because anyone who didn't worship Christ
was a heretic and a witch and that was that. The
modern Wiccans kept the negative title that she
was given as if it were a compliment, just like
many new wiccans dye their hair black and dress
in witchy clothes like the negative medieval
stereotype of a witch.

Greetings,
Diana (neither the Goddess Diana nor the Witch
Queen :-)



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] new citizen
From:	"gaius117" <lanius117@aol.com>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:00:52 -0000

SALVETE OMNES

As paterfamilias of Gens Lania, I wish to publicly welcome the newest
member of our Nova Roma family, Quintus Lanius Paulinus. I have been
communicating with him over the past several weeks and feel he will
be a most enthusiastic and productive citizen, one who will bring
honor and reknown to Gens Lania. I encourage all citizens to take a
moment and send along a message of good will and camaraderie.

WELCOME, QUINTUS LANIUS PAULINUS, TO NOVA ROMA!!!

Bene vale,

Gaius Lanius Falco
Paterfamilias Gens Lania

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Another funny Phaedrus tale, or two
From:	"Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:28:44 -0700

This one is humorous:

The Cat and Venus
A Cat fell in love with a handsome young man, and entreated Venus to change
her into the form of a woman. Venus consented to her request and transformed
her into a beautiful damsel, so that the youth saw her and loved her, and
took her home as his bride. While the two were reclining in their chamber,
Venus wishing to discover if the Cat in her change of shape had also altered
her habits of life, let down a mouse in the middle of the room. The Cat,
quite forgetting her present condition, started up from the couch and
pursued the mouse, wishing to eat it. Venus was much disappointed and again
caused her to return to her former shape. Nature exceeds nurture


And this one too:
The Frogs Asking for a King
The Frogs, grieved at having no established Ruler, sent ambassadors to
Jupiter entreating for a King. Perceiving their simplicity, he cast down a
huge log into the lake. The Frogs were terrified at the splash occasioned by
its fall and hid themselves in the depths of the pool. But as soon as they
realized that the huge log was motionless, they swam again to the top of the
water, dismissed their fears, climbed up, and began squatting on it in
contempt. After some time they began to think themselves ill-treated in the
appointment of so inert a Ruler, and sent a second deputation to Jupiter to
pray that he would set over them another sovereign. He then gave them an Eel
to govern them. When the Frogs discovered his easy good nature, they sent
yet a third time to Jupiter to beg him to choose for them still another
King. Jupiter, displeased with all their complaints, sent a Heron, who
preyed upon the Frogs day by day till there were none left to croak upon the
lake.



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Diana etc.
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:54:52 -0400

On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 10:14 PM, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

> The
> modern Wiccans kept the negative title that she
> was given as if it were a compliment, just like
> many new wiccans dye their hair black and dress
> in witchy clothes like the negative medieval
> stereotype of a witch.

I agree that there are those, perhaps many, who do these things out of
ignorance, yet may we also postulate that there are some in the
community who are aware of the historical implications of these surface
choices and continue to choose them as a commentary on history? Of
course, some people just like black.

In other news: Some of you may have heard that I was ill, and indeed it
will be many days before I am fully healed. I have spent six days in the
hospital being treated for cellulitis, a bacterial infection in my lower
leg. I wish to apologize for missing my Venatrix's first fight (she's
not much on social graces, but that girl can think on her feet!), and to
thank those of you who have offered prayers and good wishes on my behalf.

I am also grateful to Minerva Medica, who received and answered my
prayers. She showed me a powerful vision of a service I can perform on
Her behalf, and you may hear more of this in the future as I bring it to
fruition.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Venationes, 6th day - comments
From:	Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2002 05:39:07 -0700 (PDT)

AVETE NOVAROMANI OMNES

Oooops... I wouldn't like that Serpeniius, Tiberius
Ullerius Faber's venator, lost his combat because of
the message I sent yesterday!!! Yes, I said that I
wanted to see different "fates", but I absolutely
wasn't referring to yesterday's fighting!!!
I am sorry for Ullerius Faber: the first lion of the
novaroman venationes has been lethal for Serpeniius.
It means that we will see this lion again during next
Ludi Venatorii.

On the contrary Aquinca did an excellent work. My
congratulations, Lucius Arminius Faustus: Apollo was
with you, and your fighter defeated his foe without
any particular problem!

Now let's see what will happen today... the last two
combats before the great finale of tomorrow!!! Victor
and Hilarinus, by Artorius Arius Sarmaticus and
Amulius Equitius Germanicus respectively. These
fighters will meet two powerful rivals...
As I said, let's see what happens!!!

HAVE A GOOD TIME WITH THE LUDI APOLLINARES!!!

BENE VALETE
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] 12th july 99 B.C.
From:	"mcserapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:54:15 -0000

AVETE OMNES

Just a mention of today's date: 12th july, birthday of Caius Iulius
Caesar!!!

VALETE BENE
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Glory to the venationes!
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:03:21 -0300 (ART)

Salve,
I would like to public praise Victoria and Virtus by the victory of Aquincas. Well, here we also are in celebrations by the glorious victory on the World Cup. Gratias agimus vobis, deae!
And offer everyone in my domus not only our faustan wine, but cachaça, our really brazilian strong beverage that almost has killed a legion! A specially bottle for our TV Master Pompeia... but be carefully in the drinks!
It is time to celebrate! Salve Apolo!
Vale,




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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: How choose a NR name...
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:31:06 -0300 (ART)

Salve, Dianae Aventinae!
My angry friend, the boring six months is the cooking period of six month before you get acess to the magistracies. My praise to the pontiffs that lowed this period for priesthood for three months.
When I was director of the Gremio Politecnico of USP, I have seen that the people everytime want responsibility for dedication.
In other words less philosofical, few people waits the six months and offer themselves for magistracies. That is A LOT OF time. They simple forget the existance of NR. Getting a magistracy is a way to be constant remembering NR by the duty.
But I don´t want to discuss this matter. There is provincial imediate magistracies. But few provinces have a good roman life to provincial magistracies have some value. So, the six month is a crux to all Novoromanus, a boring and isolate crux.

Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:40:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Diana Aventina
Subject: Re: How choose a NR name...

Salve Lucius Arminius Faustus

As a person who didn't exactly follow the name
rules (referring to myself by my praenomen and
not my cognomen :-)

I didn't understand one thing that you wrote. You
mentioned that it could be boring during the
isolation of the first 6 months. Could you
clarify a bit?
Thanks!
Diana






L. Arminius Faustus

Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae

Verdades vou dizer, ficção lhes chames, Se os numes aos mortais não crês visíveis!

Um deus referve em nós, assomos de estro Baixam da etérea mente à mente humana,

Quem, quem pode vedar-me o ver deidades, Sendo eu vate, eu cantor dos sacrifícios?

Ovídio, Faustus, poema VI


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cognoma
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:56:06 +0100 (BST)

Salvete,

Thanks to all those who replied to my request...it was
greatly appreciated.

And oops...yes....it is cognomina. Yet again, I show
my latin for what it really is ;-)

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ludi Apollinares - Roman authors VI
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:52:57 +0100 (BST)

Salvete!

Today the last of the Roman authors I would like to
write about; this time the greatest of all, IMHO:
Publius Vergilius Maro.

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PUBLIUS VERGILIUS MARO

LIFE
Vergilius was born in Andes, near Mantua (northern
Italy, near the river Po) in 70BC. He lived with his
mother and father on a country estate, given to them
by his mother's father. His names 'Vergilius' and
'Maro' are more than likely stage names. 'Vergilius'
is derived from 'vergiliae', stars who have in many
cultures much to do with literature, art, poetry, etc.
'Maro' means 'he who is sensible', 'he who has a good
memory'.

Vergilius received his first education in Mantua from
a 'ludi magister' (age 7 to 12), and afterwards he
went to a 'grammaticus' in Milan, capital of Gallia
Cisalpina (age 12 to 18). After this he was also
educated by a 'rhetor' and a 'philosophus' (his
philosophus was Siron, an epicurian). In 51BC
Vergilius came to Rome, in a difficult period, because
a civil war is at hand. He becomes a lawyer, but soon
quits this job because of his rather shy nature and
weak health.

But while in Rome, he is introduced to the rich man
Maecenas (friend and advisor of Octavianus), who
brings him into his own literary company, and who
gives him an estate near Naples. This way Vergilius
also has the chance to meet Octavianus.



BUCOLICA
'Bucolica' means 'things that have to do with the life
of a shepherd' (pastoral poetry) and is dedicated to
Asinius Pollio, general of Antonius and propraetor of
Gallia Cisalpina. His great example for this work is
the "Eidullia" (< idyllic poetry) by Theocritos of
Syracuse (around 250BC). The Bucolica consists of 10
eclogues, and is written between 45BC and 38BC. An
extract from the fourth eclogue:

Sicelides Musae, paulo maiora canamus.
Non omnes arbusta iuvant humilesque myricae.
Si canimus silvas, silvae sint consule dignae.
Ultima Cumaei venit iam carminis aetas,
Magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo.
Iam redit et Virgo, redeunt Saturnia regna,
Iam nova progenies caelo demittitur alto.
Tu modo nascenti puero, quo ferrea primum
Desinet ac toto surget gens aurea mundo,
Casta, fave, Lucina. Tuus iam regnat Apollo.
(Vergilius, Bucolica, IV, 1-10)

TRANSLATION : muses of Sicily, essay we now a somewhat
loftier task! Not all men love coppice or lowly
tamarisk: sing we woods, woods worthy of a Consul let
them be. Now the last age by Cumae's Sibyl sung has
come and gone, and the majestic roll of circling
centuries begins anew: justice returns, returns old
Saturn's reign, with a new breed of men sent down from
heaven. Only do thou, at the boy's birth in whom the
iron shall cease, the golden race arise, befriend him,
chaste Lucina; 'tis thine own apollo reigns. (ed. JB
Greenough)



GEORGICA
'Georgica' means 'things that have to do with the life
on the land' and is dedicated to Maecenas, his rich
friend. His great example for this work is the "De
Rerum Natura" by Titus Lucretius Carus. The Georgica
consists of 4 books (about farming, cultivation of
plants, cattle breeding and apiculture), and is
written between 38BC and 30BC. It is a work about
agriculture, but not a manual for farmers; this work
is part of the promotion of Octavianus' politics: a
revival of the ancient virtues (patriae virtutes). An
extract from the second book:

O fortunatos nimium, sua si boni norint,
Agricolas, quibus ipsa, procul dicordibus armis,
Fundit humo facilem victum iustissima tellus.
Si non ingentem foribus domus alta superbis
Mane salutantum totis vomit aedibus undam,
Nec varios inhiant pulchra testudine postes
Illusasque auro vestes Ephyreiaque aera,
Alba neque Assyrio fucatur lana veneno,
Nec casia liquidi corrumpitur usus olivi,
At secura quies et nescia fallere vita,
Dives opum variarum, at latis otia fundis,
Speluncae vivique lacus et frigida Tempe
Mugitusque boum mollesque sub arbore somni
Non absunt. Illic saltus ac lustra ferarum,
Et patiens operum exiguoque adsueta iuventus,
Sacra deum sanctique patres. Extrema per illos
Iustitia excedens terris vestigia fecit.
(Vergilius, Georgica, II, 458-474)

TRANSLATION :
Oh! all too happy tillers of the soil,
Could they but know their blessedness, for whom
Far from the clash of arms all-equal earth
Pours from the ground herself their easy fare!
What though no lofty palace portal-proud
>From all its chambers vomits forth a tide
Of morning courtiers, nor agape they gaze
On pillars with fair tortoise-shell inwrought,
Gold-purfled robes, and bronze from Ephyre;
Nor is the whiteness of their wool distained
With drugs Assyrian, nor clear olive's use
With cassia tainted; yet untroubled calm,
A life that knows no falsehood, rich enow
With various treasures, yet broad-acred ease,
Grottoes and living lakes, yet Tempes cool,
Lowing of kine, and sylvan slumbers soft,
They lack not; lawns and wild beasts' haunts are
there,
A youth of labour patient, need-inured,
Worship, and reverend sires: with them from earth
Departing justice her last footprints left.
(ed. JB Greenough)



AENEIS
This 'typical Roman' national epic poem is dedicated
to Octavianus, by then already known as Augustus. His
great example for this work is of course Homeros, with
his Iliad and Odyssea. The Aeneis consists of 12
books, and is written between 30BC and 19BC. This work
does not describe the founding of the Eternal City,
but what happened before that. He tells about the
great ancestor Aeneas from Troy. He escaped the
destruction of Troy with the help of Iupiter and must
complete a task with the same divine help: he has to
sail to Latium and there he must lay the foundations
for the people of yet-to-be-built Rome. An extract
from the first book, an explanation of what will be
told in the Aeneis:

Arma virumque cano, Troiae qui primus ab oris
Italiam fato profugus Laviniaque venit
Litora, multum ille et terris iactatus et alto
Vi superum, saevae memorem Iunonis ob iram,
Multa quoque et bello passus, dum conderet urbem
Inferetque deos Latio, genus unde Latinum
Albanique patres atque altae moenia Romae.
Musa, mihi causas memora, quo numine laeso
Quidve dolens regina deum tot volvere casus
Insignem pietate virum, tot adire labores
Impulerit. Tantaene animis caelestius irae?

(Vergilius, Aeneis, I, 1-11)

TRANSLATION :
Arms, and the man I sing, who, forc'd by fate,
And haughty Juno's unrelenting hate,
Expell'd and exil'd, left the Trojan shore.
Long labors, both by sea and land, he bore,
And in the doubtful war, before he won
The Latian realm, and built the destin'd town;
His banish'd gods restor'd to rites divine,
And settled sure succession in his line,
>From whence the race of Alban fathers come,
And the long glories of majestic Rome.
O Muse! the causes and the crimes relate;
What goddess was provok'd, and whence her hate;
For what offense the Queen of Heav'n began
To persecute so brave, so just a man;
Involv'd his anxious life in endless cares,
Expos'd to wants, and hurried into wars!
Can heav'nly minds such high resentment show,
Or exercise their spite in human woe?
(ed. J Dryden)


Publius Vergilius Maro dies in 19BC, at the age of 51,
before he is able to finish his greatest work Aeneis.
He asks his friends not to publish it, because of its
many incompletenesses. Fortunately, Octavianus forbids
this; he insists on publishing this work. Thus we are
now able to read this magnificent epic about Aeneas,
the great ancestor.

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I really hope everyone enjoyed trhese postings on the
Roman authors. Glory to the Latin writers, in honour
of Apollo and the Muses!!

Valete bene

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Senator Cassia
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:11:06 EDT

In a message dated 7/12/02 4:56:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
pcassia@novaroma.org writes:


> In other news: Some of you may have heard that I was ill, and indeed it
> will be many days before I am fully healed. I have spent six days in the
> hospital being treated for cellulitis, a bacterial infection in my lower
> leg

Salve Senator Cassia

I'm glad you are feeling better. Remember antibotics kill all the helpful
bacteria in a system as well, so replace it as soon as you are off your meds.

Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Diana etc.
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:41:13 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Patricia Cassia <pcassia@n...> wrote:
>
> I am also grateful to Minerva Medica, who received and answered my
> prayers. She showed me a powerful vision of a service I can perform
on
> Her behalf, and you may hear more of this in the future as I bring
it to
> fruition.

We too are grateful to Minerva Medica for taking a guiding hand
through your illness. You and Marcus were in my thoughts and prayers
and am relieved that you are on the mend. It is strange how the Gods
choose moments of severe illness to speak. Perhaps it is one of the
few times in our lives we are silent enough to listen?

I'm not a doctor, but for a while I worked in a nursing home and seen
first hand the effects of massive doses of antibiotics. May I
suggest plenty of live culture yogart to replace the good bacteria
that are killed off as collaterial damage in your battle with the
unwanted bacteria?

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Alternate History Novel of Rome
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:20:03 -0500

Salve,
I just got a Alternate History novel of Rome. It is called "Hannibal's Children" by John Maddox Roberts
the author of the SPQR series. In this book Hannibal defeats Rome and gives the Romans a choice exile
or extermination. They take exile and go north to the Alps and Noricum. Now after 115 years the small but
well trained and equiped(with weapons and equipment delveloped by the Greek Archimedes)Roman Army
is ready to move against Carthage. One of the main characters is named Marcus Cornelius Scipio. I got it
at Barnes & Noble. It should be a good read.

Sextus Cornelius Cotta
Propraetor
America Medioccidentalis Superior

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