| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Oath of office |
| From: |
"astro_girl48" <aurora_777@angelfire.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:15:03 -0000 |
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I, keryn musgrave, Roman name Livilla Cassia do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Livilla Cassia swear to honor the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the
Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Livilla Cassia swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as
the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that
would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Livilla Cassia swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
Nova Roma.
I, Livilla Cassia further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Legatus of the regio Australia
Orientalis Superior to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Legatus of the regio Australia Orientalis
Superior and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Hello! |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:10:10 -0700 (PDT) |
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Well don't be a stranger write to us anytime.I'm in Denver right now and miss my home state.
G.Porticus Brutis
Amanda Bowen wrote: >WHAT we have two Houstonian?NO NO my brother you have 11 Houstonians in
>Nova Roma!!The Gen. Portica,we all come from Houston "the best place on
>Gods green earth"Texas,a round the ship channel.Ok Nrothshore to be
>exact.Thank God for Brothers!<
12, actually, as I wrote to Renata after seeing her message :) Northshore is
a bit far from me (other side, to the southwest, am I) but nice to see that
there are so many :)
Crispina
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Exhibit on Roman women |
| From: |
lanius117@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:30:06 EDT |
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Salve, Honorable Senator Patricia Cassia
I am happy to know you are feeling well enough to conduct a "field trip" to
Yale for the exhibition you mentioned. I am most interested; however, when I
tried to access the website you listed, I could not. Do you have more
information about this exhibition, such as when it is, or is there another
website I could try?
Bene vale,
Gaius Lanius Falco
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Hello |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:47:38 +0200 |
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Salve Jim!
You are welcome to just be amember of this mailing list,but I realy
hope that You somewhere in the near future will want to become a
citizen.
I could give You one more reason, if You are a citizen You will be
able to study at our Academia our on-line "University" to be. See
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/ There are a lot of course
going and more will come. Do You have any general questions please
ask the Procurator Academiae Thules (the Headmaster of the Academia):
Honorable Caius Curius Saturninus. His e-mail is:
insulaumbra@fiasco.fi
If You are especially interested in law and order, please contact the
Caput Generis Doctrinae Legis Honorable Marcus Marcius Rex. His mail
address is: mheinz@adb.org
>Hi!
>My name's Jim and I just signed up with this group. Ancient Rome
>(particularly between 50 BCE and 50 CE) is one of my favorite
>periods in history. I'm not exactly sure how your group works. I've
>glanced at your website and you seem pretty involved. I was
>wondering if you don't mind me hanging around and occasionally
>asking stupid questions.:) I imagine that y'all know a tremendous
>amount about Ancient Rome and I'd be grateful if I could pick your
>brains.
>Currently, I'm trying to find detailed info about the police force
>that Augustus sat up. Suetonius doesn't say much and I've spent
>hours searching websites to no avail. If anyone can tell me anything
>or point me in the right direction, I'd be very grateful.
>
>-jim
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Classical Reading Plan |
| From: |
"Claudius Salix Davianus" <salixdavianus@terra.es> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:22:40 -0500 |
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Salvete cives, ac salve tu Julilla:
> It may also be worth noting that we have a Camenaeum at our own
> website
> http://www.novaroma.org/camenaeum/
>
> which also has a few links
Most Latin version of this texts can be found at:
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/
(highly recommendable)
Cl. Salix Davianus
==================================
Praeceptor Linguae Latinae Academiae Thules
Tribunus Plebis Novae Romae
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Procrustes |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:28:28 -0000 |
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--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Michel Loos <loos@q...> wrote:
>
> You are then definitively against death penalty I think ?
>
> Manius Villius Limitanus
Salve Manius Villius Limitanus,
I am not sure to whom you are addressing this question, myself or
Sicinius Drusus. I know Sicinius Drusus has answered this question.
The question is not germane as Nova Roma does not have the death
penalty nor does it have the means to enforce it if it did.
I am opposed to the death penalty for one reason, human nature.
Humans by nature are imperfect (not to be confused with being
inherently evil) and their institutions are by nature reflect those
imperfections. Any judicial system being instituted by humans will
be flawed. Innocents, no matter how the system may be skewed to
prevent innocents from being found guilty, will be found guilty. A
government can release and pay financial restitution to a party
wrongly found guilty, no government has yet to find away to bring the
dead back to life.
That does not mean that there are not times where crimes are so
henious that I don't have a knee-jerk emotional response of "fry the
bastard(s)". After all I am human and humans are emotional beings.
Pax,
Quintus Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Oath of office / Galaicus |
| From: |
"Claudius Salix Davianus" <salixdavianus@terra.es> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:27:22 -0500 |
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Ave Galaice,
Emivero maxime congratulor tibi pro officio electo tuo!
Persuasum sum valde bona erit tua gestio officii huius!
Cl. Salix Davianus
======================
Tribunus Plebis Novae Romae
Mirator vis comicae Gn. Salicis Galaici!
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Classical Reading Plan |
| From: |
"Claudius Salix Davianus" <salixdavianus@terra.es> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:32:18 -0500 |
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Salve Dalmatica,
Of course omit Christian and Jewish writings is skipping an important part of history. But alslo to omit the writings of Confuce and other chinese authors, the Vedic scriptures, the islamic Qur´an scriptures or the poems of the great Nezahualcoyotl! Those all is part of the history of humans :-)
Cl. Salix Davianus
I agree with Gaius Cassius Nerva. To omit the Christian and Jewish writings
would be in essence skipping a major part of history. Other books on this
list appear to me to be tailored more for a "specialist" than these religious
works. After all, they were intentionally written for the masses. There is no
denying there contribution and vast importance to ancient history, wether you
agree with them or not. I am speaking as both a Doctoral candidate in Ancient
Sport History and Christian with a Jewish heritage. Caecilia Drusa Dalmatica
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Procrustes |
| From: |
"rexmarciusnr" <RexMarcius@aol.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:58:50 -0000 |
|
Salve Cassi Niger!
Thank you for your compassion and understanding. I am quite sure that
Adam Smith had a greater command of Roman roots than I do. But he
certainly also beats you and Lucius Sicinius Drusus in that area. FYI
I have actually read the Wealth of Nations (I do not know how many
people on this list can say they know the wages of wool combers in
Scotland in the second half of the 18th century, maybe Procunsul
Fabius Maximus but can you?).
However, I do not think that Adam Smith would endorse what L.
Sicinius Drusus has brought in as an argument against a convention
that was signed by no less than 145 nations worldwide. Maybe with
today's knowledge Adam Smith would revise some of his teachings (and
I do not only mean those regarding monetary theory). Or as Larry
Summers (as good a diplomat as I am for sure :-) ) put it: Maybe the
reason that Smith's invisible hand is invisible is because it is not
there. Our wealth today in the Western hemisphere is mainly based on
mass consumption that was only made possible through reforms
introducing certain social principles like those enshrined in the
Convention on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and a rigorous
following of the rule of law (even Milton Friedman I guess would sign
that).
I live in a Third World country and I know what I am talking about
when it comes to Poverty, exploitation and the abuse of economic
power by the elite and I do everything to counter that. The
invoked "right of association" derived from the "right to life" all
based in natural law to counter these realities is - and here you are
probably right - something that better belongs in the 18th century.
Frankly said: It makes me want to .... So please do not accuse me of
ignorance when only my guts were speaking aloud.
"Ius naturale est quod natura omnia animalia docuit"
(The law of nature is that law which nature teaches to all animals)
Eat and be eaten is not exactly a good basis for a society.
Ut recte valeant
Ave et Vale
Marcus Marcius Rex
--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "n_cassius_niger" <menippus@a...> wrote:
> Me miserum!
>
> What he is talking about is legacy of Adam Smith (1723-1790), a man
> who had a greater command of the Roman roots of Western Liberal
> thought that you M. Marcius. Smith argued that "society" does not
> simply equal the state; society is a complex web of relationships
> between families, individuals, and the community. He also believed
> that people do and should act out of enlightened self-interest...An
> Epicurean idea. The Epicureans were also influential in Rome, just
> as the Stoics were; however, it seems at times, Nova Roma only
> accepts the Stoic contributions to the Roman world-view.
> Nevertheless, /that/ is what he is talking about. In the future, M.
> Marcius, I suggest that you do not attempt to hide your ignorance
in
> a veil of ad hominem attacks. I do not have the same luxury as you;
> I am a teacher, and as such, I cannot "ignore" utter
> nonsense...instead I teach my students to recognize the errors they
> are making and show them how to correct them. I approach my
students
> with compassion and understanding, a much more effective way to
> change the world than your sanctimonious crusade, M. Marcius.
>
> Ut recte valeant!
>
> N. Cassius Niger
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Procrustes |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:04:30 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- rexmarciusnr <RexMarcius@aol.com> wrote:
> However, I do not think that Adam Smith would
> endorse what L.
> Sicinius Drusus has brought in as an argument
> against a convention
> that was signed by no less than 145 nations
> worldwide.
Philosphers of the 18th Century were a different breed
than the modern ilk. Since Wealth of Nations was
counter to the mercantilist economic theories of the
Politicans of the 18th Century I don't think Smith
would be too impressed by a doccument asserting
philosphical ideas signed by a pack of politicans.
Modern Philosphers are another story. They are born
followers incapable of the leadership needed to
challenge political agendas.
The closet I saw them come to it was the 1970 American
Philosphical Association. The Marxists introduced a
resoulation condeming the Viet Nam War in Marxist
terms (Of Course there was no hint of a challenge to
the politics of the Marxist states). The
"Conservatives" alleged that commenting on issuses was
against the purpose of Philosphy. They Comprimised (so
much for seeking truth) on condeming the war but
stripping the Marxist thesis out leaving a
Condemnation without a reason for the
Condemnation.(expected since modern philosphy begain
divorcing itself from reason shortly after Smith
Published "Wealth") What a joke. Leftist bootlickers
browbeating bootlickers with no convictions. Such is
the stae of Modern Philosphy.
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM IX - ELECTIO LEGATI PROPRAETORIS ET PROVINCIAE ITALIAE PRO TEMPORE ET IN LOCO NOVA ROMA RALLY 2002 |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:09:37 +0200 |
|
EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM IX
ELECTIO LEGATI PROPRAETORIS ET PROVINCIAE ITALIAE PRO TEMPORE ET IN
LOCO NOVA ROMA RALLY 2002
August 6, 2002
Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae
During the Nova Roma Rally 2002, the Nova Roman european meeting in Tongeren
(Belgio) organized by Illustrus Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus, one citizen from Provincia Italia will partecipe, Illustrus
Manius Constantinus Serapio, Legatus Externis Rebus. Given the importance of
the Rally, it need to represent the Provincia Italia and to partecipe to all
the administrive reunions. Constantinus Serapio, working in Nova Roma as
constant as optimum, have shown to be the suitable citizen to do it.
I. I hereby appoint Illustrus Manius Constantinus Serapio representative of
Provincia Italia and my delegated pro tempore in loco Tongeren from August 8
to 11, 2002 during the Nova Roma Rally 2002. He'll the spokesman of the
italian citizen and of the Propraetor, parteciping in each the activities
and reunions as my representative. As provincial representative he'll
present to the public the Provincia Italia, the new provincial symbols, the
results and the next activities by the actual provincial Administration.
II. Manius Constantinus Serapio will have to give me and to the citizens of
Provincia Italia a relation about the partecipation in Nova Roma Rally 2002.
III This edictum has an immediate effect. Promulgated on a.d. pridie Nonas
Iulias MMDCCLV a.u.c. (August 6, 2002), in the year of the consuls Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.
IV. This Edictum is approved by Curia Italica (01/08/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/r25072002.txt).
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
______________________________
EDICTUM PROPRAETORICIUM IX
ELECTIO LEGATI PROPRAETORIS ET PROVINCIAE ITALIAE PRO TEMPORE ET IN
LOCO NOVA ROMA RALLY 2002
6 Agosto 2002
Ex Officio Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae
Al prossimo Nova Roma Rally 2002, meeting europeo di Nova Roma Tongeren
(Belgio), organizzato dall'Illustre Senior Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus, parteciperà un solo cittadino della Provincia Italia,
l'Illustre Manius Constantinus Serapio, Legatus Externis Rebus. Vista
l'importanza del Rally, sorge la necessità di presentare e
rappresentare degnamente la Provincia Italia e di partecipare ad eventuali
riunioni amministrative e, tramite il lavoro brillante e costante in Nova
Roma, Costantinus Serapio ha dimostrato di essere la persona idonea per
svolgere tali attività
I. Nomino l'Illustre Manius Constantinus Serapio come rappresentante della
Provincia Italia e mio delegato pro tempore in loco Tongeren dall'8 all'11
Agosto 2002, durante il Nova Roma Rally 2002. Egli sarà portavoce dei
cittadini della Provincia e farà le veci del Propraetor, partecipando ad
ogni attività e riunione come mio delegato.
Inoltre come rappresentante provinciale si occuperà di presentare
pubblicamente la Provincia Italia, la nuova simbologia provinciale, i
risultati e i piani di sviluppo futuro della corrente amministrazione.
II. Manius Constantinus Serapio presenterà una relazione sulla
partecipazione al Nova Roma Rally 2002 al sottoscritto e ai cittadini
della Provincia Italia.
III. Questo edictum ha effetto immediato. Promulgato il a.d. pridie Nonas
Iulias MMDCCLV a.u.c. (6 Agosto 2002), nell'anno del consolato di Marcus
Octavius Germanicus e Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.
IV. Questo Edictum ha l'approvazione della Curia Italica (01/08/2002,
http://italia.novaroma.org/curia/a25072002.txt)
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] WELLCOME VIBIUS ANNAEUS VOCULA |
| From: |
"varus_galili" <quinctilius.varus@web.de> |
| Date: |
Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:07:02 -0000 |
|
E DOMO LEGATI GERMANIAE SUPERIORIS
In the name of the magistrates and the people of the region Germania
Superior,
I, Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili, legatus Germaniae Superioris,
would
like to welcome the following new cive in our midst:
Vibius Annaeus Vocula / BW / 05.08.2002
We wisch our new cive an interesting future in our midst and hope,
that
he/she will feel comfortable with us and that he/she will participate
actively in
the social life of Nova Roma.
For questions and desires, the new cive is invited to make direct
contact
with me. I will try my best to help.
Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili
Legatus Germaniae Superioris
Duumvir Junior Coloniae Augustae Rauricae
Cornicularius Leg XI CPF Coh X Cand
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Volubilis |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:37:39 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Dominus Praefectus Serapio;
Such was my thought as well, when first saw the article. It will add
much to your North African efforts which have been quite extensive. My
continued congratulatons on your work.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Jim's request |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@webtv.net |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:02:48 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Greetings "Jim" and others new to Nova Roma;
My name is Marcus Minucius Audens, and I am pleased to welcome each of
you to Nova Roma. You will forgive me perhaps if I do not mention each
of you by name, bu I am often gone from home as a reenactor and often
when I am returned, I find myself far behind the wave
in regard to welcome and remarks.
My purpose here is to make you welcome here in Nova Roma. There are
many things to do and many avenues to explore and may great people to
meet. Jim there is even a group of "Socci" that are a part of the
Sodaitas Militarium, who are interested in all military aspects of
ancient Rome. For a variety of reasons they are not members of NR, but
choose to stay close to the Militarium and discuss ideas of a Military
Nature with others of like interests.
For the others the Militarium is open to newcomers like "Jim" through
the "Socci" or to full membership and voting privaledges when you are a
citizen. The Sodalitas Egressus is devoted to a variety of services
dedicated to makng the Roman World better known to NR, and NR better
known to the world. It is a Sodalitas where much is waiting to be done
by those who may be interested in something to do.
Lastly. I am writing this to invite all of you who may be interested to
do so, to contactme if ou have needs, questions, and requests. hile I
cannot guantee your satisfaction, in your desires (Grin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I may well be able to direct you to where you may get an answer.
The Militarium, "Socci", or Egressus may be contacted by messaging
Beneficarius Strabo (see above) and requesting to join or information
regarding the institutions.
Welcome to Nova Roma---read our website---get to know us, and we
you--have fun---and fulfill yourselves with service to NR as you will
wish to do so.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
ProConsul and Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Citizenship and New Gens Approved! |
| From: |
"James LaSalle, Esq." <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:47:25 -0500 |
|
Salvete Fellow Citizens!
I, Gaius Vaglius Basilicatus Agricola, of the gens Vaglia Basilicatus, in the province America Medioccidentalis Superior, pledge my time, work, money, and eventually land to Nova Roma. I look forward to finally conversing with you all as a citizen, and participating in the promotion of Roman Culture.
Vale
Gaius Vaglius Basilicatus Agricola
The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Jim's request |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:59:19 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Hail Roma
Honored Senator Marcus Minucius Audens
Thank you for your help in getting us new Romans started.You seem to be a man of your word and a Gentleman.It is my hope that I might be able to learn everything about Roman life, see I've tryed to read every book I could get my hands on but they just don't come to life for me,and if you are willing to teach I would like to learn.I see that you are an outspoken man who belives in NR and goes to all the renactments.I was wondering if there will ever be a Roman day out here{Colorado} or Texas,Some where in the Middle of the US.If so It would be an Honor to meet you and share drink..I would like to get the NR's out here together to form a bond of some kind.This I do belive will help grow us closer together and bring in new members.I 'm starting a Roman dining table to have fellow Romans over.I just don't know of any in Denver!Thank you for everything.
G.Porticus Brutis
Servent of Nova Roma
jmath669642reng@webtv.net wrote:Greetings "Jim" and others new to Nova Roma;
My name is Marcus Minucius Audens, and I am pleased to welcome each of
you to Nova Roma. You will forgive me perhaps if I do not mention each
of you by name, bu I am often gone from home as a reenactor and often
when I am returned, I find myself far behind the wave
in regard to welcome and remarks.
My purpose here is to make you welcome here in Nova Roma. There are
many things to do and many avenues to explore and may great people to
meet. Jim there is even a group of "Socci" that are a part of the
Sodaitas Militarium, who are interested in all military aspects of
ancient Rome. For a variety of reasons they are not members of NR, but
choose to stay close to the Militarium and discuss ideas of a Military
Nature with others of like interests.
For the others the Militarium is open to newcomers like "Jim" through
the "Socci" or to full membership and voting privaledges when you are a
citizen. The Sodalitas Egressus is devoted to a variety of services
dedicated to makng the Roman World better known to NR, and NR better
known to the world. It is a Sodalitas where much is waiting to be done
by those who may be interested in something to do.
Lastly. I am writing this to invite all of you who may be interested to
do so, to contactme if ou have needs, questions, and requests. hile I
cannot guantee your satisfaction, in your desires (Grin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I may well be able to direct you to where you may get an answer.
The Militarium, "Socci", or Egressus may be contacted by messaging
Beneficarius Strabo (see above) and requesting to join or information
regarding the institutions.
Welcome to Nova Roma---read our website---get to know us, and we
you--have fun---and fulfill yourselves with service to NR as you will
wish to do so.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
ProConsul and Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] STREGHERIA A PART OF ETRUSCO-RELIGIO ROMANA |
| From: |
GAIVS IVLIANVS <ivlianvs309@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT) |
|
SALVE JIM! From my own studies and knowledge, "true"
Stregheria stems, or derives from the rustic Tuscan
survials of Etruscan practices and magical lore along
with rural or country Roman magical practices that
through time and in folklore became degenerated into
what people refer to as Stregheria today. There is
indeed evidence for the worship of Diana, and to Her
cultus being embraced by outcasts, slaves and those
who practiced rites more to the rural area of Italy
that did not necessarily conform to the norms of the
official state religion or Religio. It is well known
that the Goddess Diana is the patroness of witches,
but as to whether Her devotees such as at Lake Nemi in
Aricia thought of themselves as such is open to
question! In many aspects the open practice of magic
and the casting of spells was outlawed by the Roman
Senate! Private and harmless magical practices seems
to have been tolerated at least. A great deal of
scholarly study has been done on this subject. Knowing
the unfortunate secrecy that surrounds many of those
who profess to be "Streghe" one cannot easily conclude
just how much their practices have in common with
Religio Romana proper, but from what IS known, there
is quite alot! I would certainly agree with Diana
Apollonia that what Raven Grimassi presents as
Stregheria is quite different to what authentic
Streghe in Italy profess it to be! GAIVS IVLIANVS
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Jim's request |
| From: |
Jenny Harris <J.Harris@awgais.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:13:50 -0600 |
|
Ave,
Errrrr correction, now you someone else who lives in Denver. That's where I
reside, a year but a Colorado resident none the less :-)....
Vale Bene,
Aeternia
-----Original Message-----
From: G.Porticus Brutis [mailto:celtic4usa@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:59 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Jim's request
Hail Roma
Honored Senator Marcus Minucius Audens
Thank you for your help in getting us new Romans started.You
seem to be a man of your word and a Gentleman.It is my hope that I might be
able to learn everything about Roman life, see I've tryed to read every book
I could get my hands on but they just don't come to life for me,and if you
are willing to teach I would like to learn.I see that you are an outspoken
man who belives in NR and goes to all the renactments.I was wondering if
there will ever be a Roman day out here{Colorado} or Texas,Some where in the
Middle of the US.If so It would be an Honor to meet you and share drink..I
would like to get the NR's out here together to form a bond of some
kind.This I do belive will help grow us closer together and bring in new
members.I 'm starting a Roman dining table to have fellow Romans over.I just
don't know of any in Denver!Thank you for everything.
G.Porticus Brutis
Servent of Nova Roma
jmath669642reng@webtv.net wrote:Greetings "Jim" and others
new to Nova Roma;
My name is Marcus Minucius Audens, and I am pleased to
welcome each of
you to Nova Roma. You will forgive me perhaps if I do not
mention each
of you by name, bu I am often gone from home as a reenactor
and often
when I am returned, I find myself far behind the wave
in regard to welcome and remarks.
My purpose here is to make you welcome here in Nova Roma.
There are
many things to do and many avenues to explore and may great
people to
meet. Jim there is even a group of "Socci" that are a part
of the
Sodaitas Militarium, who are interested in all military
aspects of
ancient Rome. For a variety of reasons they are not members
of NR, but
choose to stay close to the Militarium and discuss ideas of
a Military
Nature with others of like interests.
For the others the Militarium is open to newcomers like
"Jim" through
the "Socci" or to full membership and voting privaledges
when you are a
citizen. The Sodalitas Egressus is devoted to a variety of
services
dedicated to makng the Roman World better known to NR, and
NR better
known to the world. It is a Sodalitas where much is waiting
to be done
by those who may be interested in something to do.
Lastly. I am writing this to invite all of you who may be
interested to
do so, to contactme if ou have needs, questions, and
requests. hile I
cannot guantee your satisfaction, in your desires
(Grin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I may well be able to direct you to where you may get an
answer.
The Militarium, "Socci", or Egressus may be contacted by
messaging
Beneficarius Strabo (see above) and requesting to join or
information
regarding the institutions.
Welcome to Nova Roma---read our website---get to know us,
and we
you--have fun---and fulfill yourselves with service to NR as
you will
wish to do so.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
ProConsul and Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
|
| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Citizenship and New Gens Approved! |
| From: |
Jenny Harris <J.Harris@awgais.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:20:52 -0600 |
|
Salve,
Welcome and may I say that's an intresting Gens name...... It seems to have
an earthy feel to it.
Also congratulations!
Vale,
Aeternia
-----Original Message-----
From: James LaSalle, Esq. [mailto:jlasalle@kc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Citizenship and New Gens
Approved!
Salvete Fellow Citizens!
I, Gaius Vaglius Basilicatus Agricola, of the gens Vaglia
Basilicatus, in the province America Medioccidentalis Superior, pledge my
time, work, money, and eventually land to Nova Roma. I look forward to
finally conversing with you all as a citizen, and participating in the
promotion of Roman Culture.
Vale
Gaius Vaglius Basilicatus Agricola
The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Jenny |
| From: |
"G.Porticus Brutis" <celtic4usa@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:12:10 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Hail Roma
Did you say you live here in Denver?where?
Jenny Harris wrote:Ave,
Errrrr correction, now you someone else who lives in Denver. That's where I
reside, a year but a Colorado resident none the less :-)....
Vale Bene,
Aeternia
-----Original Message-----
From: G.Porticus Brutis [mailto:celtic4usa@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:59 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Jim's request
Hail Roma
Honored Senator Marcus Minucius Audens
Thank you for your help in getting us new Romans started.You
seem to be a man of your word and a Gentleman.It is my hope that I might be
able to learn everything about Roman life, see I've tryed to read every book
I could get my hands on but they just don't come to life for me,and if you
are willing to teach I would like to learn.I see that you are an outspoken
man who belives in NR and goes to all the renactments.I was wondering if
there will ever be a Roman day out here{Colorado} or Texas,Some where in the
Middle of the US.If so It would be an Honor to meet you and share drink..I
would like to get the NR's out here together to form a bond of some
kind.This I do belive will help grow us closer together and bring in new
members.I 'm starting a Roman dining table to have fellow Romans over.I just
don't know of any in Denver!Thank you for everything.
G.Porticus Brutis
Servent of Nova Roma
jmath669642reng@webtv.net wrote:Greetings "Jim" and others
new to Nova Roma;
My name is Marcus Minucius Audens, and I am pleased to
welcome each of
you to Nova Roma. You will forgive me perhaps if I do not
mention each
of you by name, bu I am often gone from home as a reenactor
and often
when I am returned, I find myself far behind the wave
in regard to welcome and remarks.
My purpose here is to make you welcome here in Nova Roma.
There are
many things to do and many avenues to explore and may great
people to
meet. Jim there is even a group of "Socci" that are a part
of the
Sodaitas Militarium, who are interested in all military
aspects of
ancient Rome. For a variety of reasons they are not members
of NR, but
choose to stay close to the Militarium and discuss ideas of
a Military
Nature with others of like interests.
For the others the Militarium is open to newcomers like
"Jim" through
the "Socci" or to full membership and voting privaledges
when you are a
citizen. The Sodalitas Egressus is devoted to a variety of
services
dedicated to makng the Roman World better known to NR, and
NR better
known to the world. It is a Sodalitas where much is waiting
to be done
by those who may be interested in something to do.
Lastly. I am writing this to invite all of you who may be
interested to
do so, to contactme if ou have needs, questions, and
requests. hile I
cannot guantee your satisfaction, in your desires
(Grin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I may well be able to direct you to where you may get an
answer.
The Militarium, "Socci", or Egressus may be contacted by
messaging
Beneficarius Strabo (see above) and requesting to join or
information
regarding the institutions.
Welcome to Nova Roma---read our website---get to know us,
and we
you--have fun---and fulfill yourselves with service to NR as
you will
wish to do so.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
ProConsul and Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
|
| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Hello |
| From: |
jo mama <minervalis02@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:32:07 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 8/4/02 6:04:36 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> james@esperantohouston.org writes:
>
>
> >
> The bare bones:
> There were seven cohortes of 7-10 centuries.
> Octavius created then in 6 CE
> and they may have been 1000 strong per cohors. We
> know they were larger when
> comparied to army cohors (average 425), since we
> have some of their pay
> records.
>
> They were to patrol at night, armed with a gladius,
> a lantern, and a patrol
> acting as a firefighting brigade with buckets and
> brooms.
> Rome was divided in 14 districts with each one had
> an emergency station that
> acted as a holding tank for captured cutpads and law
> breakers. In the
> morning they would be transfered to the main jail at
> the mamertime, to await
> trial.
>
What was their uniforms like? Did they wear heavy or
light armour? How did they interact with average
citizens; did they respond to domestic violence? Fist
fights? Or were they merely there to stop riots?
This is a very fascinating look at early urban
society.
Minervalis Pictor
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Procrustes |
| From: |
"n_cassius_niger" <menippus@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 06 Aug 2002 22:10:04 -0000 |
|
Salve Marci Rex!
I apologize for writing this reply in hast, but I am on my way out
of town and I thought it polite to punctually respond at the cost of
fully detailing my rebuttle. However, I will say this. I am
perpelxed that you can go from a vicious breach of decorum in your
ad hominem attacks on 8/5/02 to L. Sicinius Drusus to a well-thought
out and sound reply to mine. I do not mean this in any sense of
sarcasm, but I'm flattered. :)
MMR scripsit> I am quite sure that
> Adam Smith had a greater command of Roman roots than I do. But he
> certainly also beats you and Lucius Sicinius Drusus in that area.
Yes, that is true on all counts. I am working hard to rectify that.
MMR scripsit>> I have actually read the Wealth of Nations (I do not
know how many people on this list can say they know the wages of
wool combers in Scotland in the second half of the 18th century,
maybe Procunsul Fabius Maximus but can you?).
Well, I am not an Industrial Archelogist, but according to Karl Marx
(In Capital, Vol 1) it was around 3.178 shillings per day (assuming
a 14 hour work day)
MMR scripsit>
> However, I do not think that Adam Smith would endorse what L.
> Sicinius Drusus has brought in as an argument against a convention
> that was signed by no less than 145 nations worldwide. Maybe with
> today's knowledge Adam Smith would revise some of his teachings
(and
> I do not only mean those regarding monetary theory). Or as Larry
> Summers (as good a diplomat as I am for sure :-) ) put it: Maybe
the
> reason that Smith's invisible hand is invisible is because it is
not
> there. Our wealth today in the Western hemisphere is mainly based
on
> mass consumption that was only made possible through reforms
> introducing certain social principles like those enshrined in the
> Convention on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and a rigorous
> following of the rule of law (even Milton Friedman I guess would
sign
> that).
I wish I had time to respond. When I return, I could respond to you
privately if you'd like.
MMR scripsit>
> I live in a Third World country and I know what I am talking about
> when it comes to Poverty, exploitation and the abuse of economic
> power by the elite and I do everything to counter that. The
> invoked "right of association" derived from the "right to life"
all
> based in natural law to counter these realities is - and here you
are
> probably right - something that better belongs in the 18th
century.
> Frankly said: It makes me want to
.... So please do not accuse me of
> ignorance when only my guts were speaking aloud.
Well, I do not feel it is appropriate to respond with pure emotion
unrestrained by reason in a public forum such as this. That was what
I was reacting to.
MMR scripsit>
> "Ius naturale est quod natura omnia animalia docuit"
> (The law of nature is that law which nature teaches to all animals)
>
> Eat and be eaten is not exactly a good basis for a society.
I agree that "Eat and be eaten" is not a good basis for society.
However, I also feel that being compulsed to share "my food" is also
an unjustice. If people wish to trade and work together, it should
be because they recognize it is for their mutal self interest.
Again, please remember these are unedited thoughts written as I pack
for a trip across country.
In the meantime, might I suggest you (I'm talking to everyone
now :) ) visit <http://www.nuff.ox.ac.uk/Economics/History/> and
read article 39, where the author argues quiet convincingly that the
economy of the Early Roman Empire was a market economy.
Iubeo nunc te bene valere,
N. Cassius Niger
|
| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Jenny |
| From: |
Jenny Harris <J.Harris@awgais.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:00:13 -0600 |
|
Ave,
Expect a private e-mail in a few moments it explains all.
Vale,
Aeternia
-----Original Message-----
From: G.Porticus Brutis [mailto:celtic4usa@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 1:12 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Jenny
Hail Roma
Did you say you live here in Denver?where?
Jenny Harris wrote:Ave,
Errrrr correction, now you someone else who lives in Denver.
That's where I
reside, a year but a Colorado resident none the less :-)....
Vale Bene,
Aeternia
-----Original Message-----
From: G.Porticus Brutis
[mailto:celtic4usa@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:59 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Jim's request
Hail Roma
Honored Senator Marcus Minucius Audens
Thank you for your help in getting us new Romans
started.You
seem to be a man of your word and a Gentleman.It is my hope
that I might be
able to learn everything about Roman life, see I've tryed to
read every book
I could get my hands on but they just don't come to life for
me,and if you
are willing to teach I would like to learn.I see that you
are an outspoken
man who belives in NR and goes to all the renactments.I was
wondering if
there will ever be a Roman day out here{Colorado} or
Texas,Some where in the
Middle of the US.If so It would be an Honor to meet you and
share drink..I
would like to get the NR's out here together to form a bond
of some
kind.This I do belive will help grow us closer together and
bring in new
members.I 'm starting a Roman dining table to have fellow
Romans over.I just
don't know of any in Denver!Thank you for everything.
G.Porticus Brutis
Servent of Nova Roma
jmath669642reng@webtv.net wrote:Greetings "Jim"
and others
new to Nova Roma;
My name is Marcus Minucius Audens, and I am
pleased to
welcome each of
you to Nova Roma. You will forgive me perhaps
if I do not
mention each
of you by name, bu I am often gone from home as
a reenactor
and often
when I am returned, I find myself far behind the
wave
in regard to welcome and remarks.
My purpose here is to make you welcome here in
Nova Roma.
There are
many things to do and many avenues to explore
and may great
people to
meet. Jim there is even a group of "Socci" that
are a part
of the
Sodaitas Militarium, who are interested in all
military
aspects of
ancient Rome. For a variety of reasons they are
not members
of NR, but
choose to stay close to the Militarium and
discuss ideas of
a Military
Nature with others of like interests.
For the others the Militarium is open to
newcomers like
"Jim" through
the "Socci" or to full membership and voting
privaledges
when you are a
citizen. The Sodalitas Egressus is devoted to a
variety of
services
dedicated to makng the Roman World better known
to NR, and
NR better
known to the world. It is a Sodalitas where
much is waiting
to be done
by those who may be interested in something to
do.
Lastly. I am writing this to invite all of you
who may be
interested to
do so, to contactme if ou have needs, questions,
and
requests. hile I
cannot guantee your satisfaction, in your
desires
(Grin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I may well be able to direct you to where you
may get an
answer.
The Militarium, "Socci", or Egressus may be
contacted by
messaging
Beneficarius Strabo (see above) and requesting
to join or
information
regarding the institutions.
Welcome to Nova Roma---read our website---get to
know us,
and we
you--have fun---and fulfill yourselves with
service to NR as
you will
wish to do so.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
ProConsul and Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
|
