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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Annual Membership Fees
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:16:10 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete Quirites,

Although the deadline for paying the annual fee was March 30th, the
Senate recently voted to accept payments after that date, with an
additional late-payment fee included.

Any Capite Censi citizen may gain Assidui status by making a payment
of $18 (US) at:

http://www.novaroma.org/payments.html

When the payment is received, your status will immediately be
changed to Assidui, and you'll be placed in one of the appropriate
Centuries before the next election.

If you've already paid this year, you're already Assidui, and don't
need to pay again this year; if you joined Nova Roma after December
1st, 2001, you're already Assidui, and don't need to pay anything at
all this year. (But donations are always welcome!)

Pleaes contact payments@novaroma.org if you have any questions.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Annual Membership Fees
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:35:50 -0000

---Salvete Consul et Colleagium Propraetoris:

I have forwarded this legislation advisory of the consul to my
provincia list, for their information. Not all citizens in my
provincia, sub to the mainlist.

I would encourage my fellow governors to do the same.

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia
Canada Orientalis

In Nova-Roma@y..., Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@c...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> Although the deadline for paying the annual fee was March 30th, the
> Senate recently voted to accept payments after that date, with an
> additional late-payment fee included.
>
> Any Capite Censi citizen may gain Assidui status by making a payment
> of $18 (US) at:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/payments.html
>
> When the payment is received, your status will immediately be
> changed to Assidui, and you'll be placed in one of the appropriate
> Centuries before the next election.
>
> If you've already paid this year, you're already Assidui, and don't
> need to pay again this year; if you joined Nova Roma after December
> 1st, 2001, you're already Assidui, and don't need to pay anything at
> all this year. (But donations are always welcome!)
>
> Pleaes contact payments@n... if you have any questions.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus
> Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
> Curator Araneum et Senator


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Late Roman chess piece?
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:40:14 -0000

Salve,

I checked around and unearthed (sorry couldn't resist the pun) an
article about this chess piece. It's actually dated about the 7th
century found in the ruins of a Byzantine palace in Butrint, Albania.

A link to the article is at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2155916.stm

I also discovered while searching an article also on the BBC site
that archaeologists have recovered what appears to be a 1st century
Roman version of tunafish salad. That link is at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2115876.stm
Unfortunately the exact recipe isn't revealed but given the
ingredients including honey, vinegar, spices, and herbs served with
hard boiled eggs, I think I'll politely refuse this dish until they
find the ancient Roman recipe for Rolaids.

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "A. Hirtius Helveticus" <hirtius75ch@y...>
wrote:
> Salvete quirites,
>
> I just saw the last glimpse of a short report on CNN,
> where they showed a chess piece - or something that
> looked like that - made out of ebony found in a late
> Roman site in Albania (approx. 4-5th century AD). Did
> anyone see the whole thing or does anyone know more
> about that discovery?
>
> As far as I know, scholars say, that chess was
> introduced to Europe in the 12th century, originating
> from china. So this could be quite a sensational
> finding!
>
> Valete bene,
>
> =====
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Late Roman chess piece? (Update)
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:47:25 -0000

Salve,

Found another article on the Discovery website about this chess piece
which has a different dating than the BBC article. The Discovery
article places the piece to be in the 5th century CE and has a
picture of the piece. This article is at:
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20020729/chess.html

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@a...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I checked around and unearthed (sorry couldn't resist the pun) an
> article about this chess piece. It's actually dated about the 7th
> century found in the ruins of a Byzantine palace in Butrint,
Albania.
>
> A link to the article is at:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2155916.stm
>
> I also discovered while searching an article also on the BBC site
> that archaeologists have recovered what appears to be a 1st century
> Roman version of tunafish salad. That link is at:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2115876.stm
> Unfortunately the exact recipe isn't revealed but given the
> ingredients including honey, vinegar, spices, and herbs served with
> hard boiled eggs, I think I'll politely refuse this dish until they
> find the ancient Roman recipe for Rolaids.
>
>
> Pax,
>
> Quintus Cassius Calvus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "A. Hirtius Helveticus" <hirtius75ch@y...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete quirites,
> >
> > I just saw the last glimpse of a short report on CNN,
> > where they showed a chess piece - or something that
> > looked like that - made out of ebony found in a late
> > Roman site in Albania (approx. 4-5th century AD). Did
> > anyone see the whole thing or does anyone know more
> > about that discovery?
> >
> > As far as I know, scholars say, that chess was
> > introduced to Europe in the 12th century, originating
> > from china. So this could be quite a sensational
> > finding!
> >
> > Valete bene,
> >
> > =====
> > A. Hirtius Helveticus
> > ------------------------------
> > paterfamilias gentis Hirtiarum
> > http://www.hirtius.ch.tt/
> > ------------------------------
> > Yahoo!/AIM/MSN: hirtius75ch
> > icq: 155762490
> >
> > __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Late Roman chess piece? (Update)
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Hirtius=20Helveticus?=" <hirtius75ch@yahoo.de>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:40:25 +0200 (CEST)

Salve Cassie

Thank you very much! About the dating: Imho the dating
in the BBC article seems to be more accurate, since
both articles state, "that the piece — either a king
or a queen — indicates chess was played in Europe 500
years earlier than previously documented". Therefore
it is more likely from the 6th or 7th century AD. But
interesting, nevertheless.

Vale bene,

=====
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------------------------------
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Edictum Propraetoricium III
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:39:55 -0700 (PDT)

Ex Officio Propraetoris Galliae

Edictum Propraetoricium III

About the structure of the Provincial web site of Provincia Gallia

1. Regarding the address of the web site

The web site is located at the address: http://www.fr-novarona.com/ and concerns whatever it contains.

2. Regarding responsibilities for the web site:

The persons responsible for the Provincial web site are the Curator Araneae Galliae and the Propraetor. Only the Propraetor may veto the actions of the Curator Araneae Galliae for the general management of the website. Any insertion of information into the website will have to be accepted by the Propraetor or by the Curator Araneae Galliae.

3. Regarding the structure of the website:

• The website must contain at least one explicit link to the main website of Nova Roma.
• It may not contain any explicit or implicit ideas contrary to the basic ideals of Nova Roma, as stated in the main website of Nova Roma.
• It may not contain anything that would be considered illegal in any nations making up the Provincia.
• All pages in the website must be presented in Dutch, English and French.
• All the pages must contain the Provincial Logo (to be determined) linked to the main website of Nova Roma.

4. Regarding the contents of the website

Any citizen might request the insertion of some information in the website. This request will be addressed for acceptation to the Propraetor or the Curator Araneae Galliae.

5. Regarding the translation of the website

Any new information inserted in the website must be translated in the three weeks following the insertion in Dutch, English and French.

This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given August 14nd, in the year of the consulship of Marcus Octavius
Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 2755 AUC.

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, acting Praefectus for France
French Translator

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Chess Piece
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:09:09 -0400 (EDT)

Gentlemen;

My thanks and congratulations for your comments and sharing of this very
interesting aspect of our Roman History and Culure. This is what I
joined Nova Roma for, to learn more about Romans and thier cultural
world. I appreciate very much the departure from the usual problems of
this List, and the interest of this kind of new and very interesting
information / material.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Nova Roman Rally in Europe - short report
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:20:31 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

I have now arrived from the Nova Roman Rally in Tongeren/Hasselt in
Belgium. This was a most pleasant, humorous and happy Rally. The
absolutely dominating factor were the participants, a most lovely
bunch of crazy Romans.

The following Romans and Barbarians attended: Honorable Manius
Constantinus Serapio, Illustrus Sextus Apollonius Scipio, Honorable
Caius Curius Saturninus, Honorable Emilia Curia Finnica, Honorable
Diana Apollonia Aventina, Honorable Lucius Salix Cicero, Honorable
"Kevin Apollonius Scipio", Illustrus Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
(Grandfather of Kevin ;-) ), Honorable Marcus Octavius Solaris, the
bunch of Barbarians ;-) from the pagan Federation and our favorite
Barbarian Dimiitri.

The tone during this Rally was jovial and jokes were in the air the
whole time. I think that we all could feel the warmth of our common
citizenship, even the barbarians could feel it I think.

Mixed with two guided tours in the city of Tongeren and another in
the Gallo Roman museum in the same town, lunches and two dinners, we
held a number more or less formal meetings. The topics were the
Proviniae (Gallia, Italia, Thule and Britannia), the Academia,
different subject within Egressus, next year's Rally, the history of
the Old Roman Republic and the inner workings of the Nova Roman
Republic and more. Laughs, serious talk and walking was mixed under
the Gallo-Roman sky of Regio Belgica (Germania Superior).

Honorable Caius Curius Saturninus and Honorable Emilia Curia Finnica
organized the whole thing from Regio Finnica. With the splendid help
of Honorable Diana Apollonia Aventina all local contacts were
organized and she acted as a very competent scout, because of her and
some friends of hers we found our way in Belgium at large and
especially in Hasselt/Tongeren.

I want to thank _all_ that participated in the Rally and most of all
the above mentioned three organizers and members of my Cohors
Aedilis. I am very glad to have met You all and this way have gotten
more than a dozen new friends! ;-)

See You all in Provincia Italia next year! ;-)
--
Valete

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Rally
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:45:07 -0400 (EDT)

My thanks to Sextus Appolonius Scipio for his excellent pictures of the
rally. Thank you so much. Any chance of getting the address of the
museum and data about the Roman offerings on the Egressus List??

I am always pleased to see information about Roman Events.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Rally
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:48:34 -0700 (PDT)

Salve Illustrious and Honored Marcus Minucius Audens,
I am planning a webpage about the Roman remains of Tongeren...Coming soon!!
Respectfully,
jmath669642reng@webtv.net wrote:My thanks to Sextus Appolonius Scipio for his excellent pictures of the
rally. Thank you so much. Any chance of getting the address of the
museum and data about the Roman offerings on the Egressus List??

I am always pleased to see information about Roman Events.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Translation IX into Portuguese - FAQ
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:08:37 -0300 (ART)

L. Arminius Faustus interpreter omnia civibus salutem

I took long but is finished. There are the translation of the FAQ page of the NR site. It has already been uploaded at NR in http://www.novaroma.org/faq.html.pt and also on a mirror at in my office, http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/trad/faq.html

Perguntas Mais Freqüentes (FAQ)

P: O que significa S.P.Q.R.?

Senatus Populusque Romanus - Senado e Povo romano; também aparece como "o Senado e povo de Roma". O Sufixo "-que" é "e"; "Romanus" é um adjetivo.

P: Tenho de ser pagão para entrar em Nova Roma?

R: Absolutamente não! Apesar da maioria de nossos cidadãos atualmente serem pagãos de um modo ou de outro, e a religião estatal pública de Nova Roma ser a Religio Romana, nós de forma alguma exigimos que os cidadãos pratiquem o paganismo romano.Uma exceção aos magistrados porque não são apenas servidores públicos, mas também têm tarefas dentro da Religio Romana, sendo assim pedimos a eles que ao menos estejam desejosos de cumprirem estas funções religiosas. Nós absolutamente não temos interesse nas vidas religiosas privadas de quaisquer um de nossos cidadãos. Tudo o que é requerido é amar tudo que seja ROMANO; recomendamos ler Uma perspectiva não-pagã da Religio Romana

P:Tenho de ser romano ou de descendência italiana para participar?

R: Como dito anteirormente, absolutamente NÃO! Pessoas de quaisquer raças ou nacionalidades podem se tornar cidadãos, a cidadania novoromana ser aberta é um direito de todos.

P: A sociedade Romana Antiga era muito patriarcal. Como Nova Roma trata as mulheres?

R: Enquanto estamos nos aventurando a recriar a maioria dos aspectos da Cultura Romana Clássica, estamos atualizando muitas das tradicionais visões dos nossos ilustres antepassados (escravidão sendo a principal — nós não a permitiremos mesmo onde for legal). As mulheres em Nova Roma são completamente livres para votar, alcançar magistraturas, tornarem-se membros do Senado e assim por diante. Na medida do requerido pela Religio Romana, há alguns cargos apenas femininos, outros apenas masculinos e muitos abertos a ambos. Enquanto reconheçamos as diferenças entre mulheres e homens, nenhum é tido como superior ao outro.

P: Preciso saber Latim ou Grego?

R: Não de todo. Enquanto um conhecimento básico do Latim seja de ajuda para o entendimento dos termos e frases que estão tanto no nosso website quanto em nossas publicações, de forma alguma latim é requerido. Estamos pensando em oferecer um curso on-line de latim (e possivelmente grego também) no futuro.

P: Vocês estão falando sério com esse papo de soberania?

R: Sim, nós somos completamente sérios em nossa declaração de soberania. Contudo, também somos realistas e não esperamos obtermos uma real soberania como nação dentro de nosso território num futuro previsível. Nós a vemos da seguinte maneira; como um objetivo alcançável a longo-prazo através do qual poderemos de algum modo organizar a adminsitração de Nova Roma (especialmente dada a nossa orientação romana), como necessária para a total e completa restauração da Religio Romana (já que muitas obrigações religiosas estão inerentemente atadas ao Estado).

É algum tipo de Role Playing Game (RPG)?

R: Apesar de sermos um tipo de Comunidade Virtual nestes estágios iniciais graças a tecnologia do computador, somos muito mais que algum tipo de "role-playing game"! A cultura e conhecimento deixados pela Roma Clássica ainda têm muito de bom para contribuir ao mundo moderno. Nova Roma é uma iniciativa bastante séria para provir um lugar aos interessados nos vários aspectos do mundo clássico para começarem a pensar nessa cultura como um modo de vida novamente.

Com sorte, Nova Roma tornar-se-á algo bastante ´real´ de fato. Estamos aumentando em cidadãos numa taxa contínua e crescente e mais e mais constantemente os encontros ´no mundo real´ estão se tornando possíveis. Dentro de poucos anos pode haver alguns poucos milhares de novoromanos... conduzindo negócios sobre clássicos no mundo real através da Ordem Eqüestre, hospedando eventos como ´Os dias Romanos´ (The roman days), organizando Sodalicium (clubes) sobre assuntos clássicos abrangendo tudo desde Fermentação até Filosofia, prestar serviços religiosos legais, ajudar a financiar escavações arqueológicas e também participar da política real numa organização internacional

Décadas no futuro ninguém irá se importar se nós não formos verdadeiramente geniais vendedores, programadores, engenheiros ou o que seja. Mas possivelmente, apenas possivelmente, poderemos fazer uma diferença real ajudando a preservar e reconstruir as fundações clássicas da Cultura Ocidental.

Além do mais, ao menos poderemos ter vidas mais interessantes que a maioria das pessoas!

P: Posso ter uma ´gens´ patrícia?

R: De acordo com nossa Constituição, apenas as primeiras trinta gentes a entrarem em Nova Roma são contadas nos ranks do patriciarcado. O nome da gens é irrelevante neste caso; mesmo se sua gens foi historicamente patrícia, pode ser contada como plebéia em Nova Roma. Apenas se uma gesn patrícia tornar-se extinta os Censores podem elevar uma gens plebéia ao patriciarcado

P: Então qual é a diferença entre patrícios e plebeus?

R: Funcionamente, quase nenhuma de fato. Há magistraturas (como os Tribunos da Plebe) que só podem ser ocupados por cidadãos da plebe. O status de patrício foi apenas incluido como uma forma de honrar aquelas famílias que se formaram num estágio inicial de Nova Roma e foram fundamentais em seus primeiros tempo.

P: Quero formar um colégio sacerdotal de (Wicca/Asatru/Islam/etc.). Como faço?

R: A resposta é simples, você não pode! Rigorosamente falando, os Colégios oficiais são baseados nos modelos romanos históricos e são especificamente envolvidos na prática e ´revival´ da religião romana histórica. Enquanto o Senado pode oficialmente reconhecer instituições reigiosas fora da Religio Romana, só far-se-á apenas quando estes grupos estiverem historicamente presentes durante a era da Roma clássica (como os Mistérios de Mitra, o culto de Ísis, de Dionísio, etc.). Como Wicca,Asatru, Islam, Amerindian religion, etc não foram conhecidas pelos romanos clássicos, não tem realmente espaço na vida religiosa pública de Nova Roma. De forma nenhuma isso não quer dizer que os cidadãos não podem praticar estes cultos em suas vidas privadas; esta restrição se aplica apenas aos cultos públicos ´oficiais´ .

Valete

L. Arminius Faustus

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Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Late Roman chess piece?
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:05:31 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : “=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Hirtius=20Helveticus?=“ <hirtius75ch@yahoo.de>
Date : 14 August 2002 00:37:53
>
>
>As far as I know, scholars say, that chess was
>introduced to Europe in the 12th century, originating
>from china. So this could be quite a sensational
>finding!
>
There were board games long before chess, the earliest I think, Egyptian. I don't know if anybody knows how they were played but they seem to have involved dice so may have been more like Backgammon. On the other hand, there was Enochian Chess used by Renaissance magicians with dice as a kind of magic/prediction system (don't think anybody knows how that worked either) so it could have been part of a divinatory system. More likely of East Med. origin than a Roman idea though.

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