Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Fwd: Incommunicado
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:41:01 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites.

I have received this message from my colleague Procopius:

--- Sinnerkitten <sinnerkitten@wamail.net> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:12:08 -0700
> From: Sinnerkitten <sinnerkitten@wamail.net>
> To: salixastur@yahoo.es
> Subject: Incommunicado
>
> Salvete!
> Procopious here, currently without a computer. Please relay any
> urgent
> matters to me at lespeterson@yahoo.com and convey my predicament to
> the
> mainlist. Thanks in advance for your assistance.


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Question
From:	"Theresa Irwin" <tirwin56@vol.com>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:59:29 -0400

Salve I didn't know who to ask this so I am sorry to post it to the main list. I was wondering when I would get info on the classes that I subscribed to like texts and such. Thank you
Alexandria Iulia Agrippa


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Question
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:03:57 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Iulia Agrippina.

--- Theresa Irwin <tirwin56@vol.com> wrote:
> Salve I didn't know who to ask this so I am sorry to post it to the
> main list. I was wondering when I would get info on the classes that
> I subscribed to like texts and such. Thank you
> Alexandria Iulia Agrippa

I guess that you are talking about the Academia courses. If you are
not, please ignore this message.

When will you get that info? Well; a few days before the beginning of
each course. To which courses have you subscribed?

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Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Late Roman chess piece?
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:16:55 -0000

> There were board games long before chess, the earliest I think,
Egyptian. I don't know if anybody knows how they were played but they
seem to have involved dice so may have been more like Backgammon. On
the other hand, there was Enochian Chess used by Renaissance
magicians with dice as a kind of magic/prediction system (don't think
anybody knows how that worked either) so it could have been part of a
divinatory system. More likely of East Med. origin than a Roman idea
though.

Salve,

I doubt it is anything mystical. Sometimes a rose is just a rose.

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Question
From:	"Theresa Irwin" <tirwin56@vol.com>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:27:27 -0400

I had looked up the courses I signed up for(all of the open ones) and I was concerned because I read an email on this list that said somebody had already ordered the student text for one of the courses and I was confused because I hadn't gotten any mails about that.
Alexandria
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Salix Astur
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: August 14, 2002 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Question


Salvete Quirites; et salve, Iulia Agrippina.

--- Theresa Irwin <tirwin56@vol.com> wrote:
> Salve I didn't know who to ask this so I am sorry to post it to the
> main list. I was wondering when I would get info on the classes that
> I subscribed to like texts and such. Thank you
> Alexandria Iulia Agrippa

I guess that you are talking about the Academia courses. If you are
not, please ignore this message.

When will you get that info? Well; a few days before the beginning of
each course. To which courses have you subscribed?

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Question
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@texas.net>
Date:	Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:47:55 -0500

Salve Alexandria

> I had looked up the courses I signed up for(all of the open ones)
> and I was concerned because I read an email on this list that said
> somebody had already ordered the student text for one of the
> courses and I was confused because I hadn't gotten any mails about
> that.

The Basic Course About Nova Roma doesn't require any texts. I'll
provide a collection of links to useful Web pages during the class. So,
that's one course you don't have to worry about.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
"Since death alone is certain and the time of death uncertain, what
should I do?"

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Edictum Propraetoricium IV
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:14:21 -0700 (PDT)

Ex Officio Propraetoris Galliae





Edictum Propraetoricium IV



About the Forum Galliae and the Discussion List







1. Definitions



The Forum Galliae is not yet opened and will be located in the official web site described in the Edictum Propraetoricium III. This Forum will be opened to anybody, citizen or not.

The Discussion List is located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Gallia/ . This list is reserved to the citizens of Nova Roma, and most particularly to the citizens of Gallia. Only members of the List can post.



2. Responsibilities



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The Discussion List will not be moderated as only members can use it.



3. Contents of message for the Forum Galliae and the Discussion List



· Messages may not contain any explicit or implicit ideas contrary to the basic ideals of Nova Roma, as stated in the main website of Nova Roma.

· They may not contain anything that would be considered illegal in any nations making up the Provincia.

· The language of a message could be Dutch, English or French. However any official message should be translated in the three languages in the three weeks after the original post.

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This Edictum becomes effective immediately.



Given August 15th, in the year of the consulship of Marcus Octavius

Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 2755 AUC.




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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] WL: Hello
From:	<3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:56:14 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete,

can anyone give some info to this gentleman?

Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus

-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Dan Fowler <dfowler@maine.rr.com>
An: censors@novaroma.org
Senden: 14.08.2002
Betreff: Hello




I read about an upcoming festival in Wells, I was
wondering where to get more info.
 
Thanks

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] WL: Hello
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:38:43 -0500 (CDT)

> I read about an upcoming festival in Wells, I was
> wondering where to get more info.

Roman Market Day, organized by Patricia Cassia and Marcus Cassius Iulianus;
the site is:

http://www.romanmarketday.com/

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Classes
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:30:06 -0400 (EDT)

Mistress Alexandria Iulia Agrippa;

In relation to the Roman Military History courses -- RMH #101, 102, 103
the basic information can be found on the website provided to you when
you registered for the class.

If you do not have such, I would be happy to provide it. The text for
these courses is available at Amazon (that's where I got mine) and is a
very good basic history of the Roman Military.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens
Praeceptor

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] More about Gentes (was: The REAL problem with our Gentes...)
From:	MLCRASSVS@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:40:02 EDT

Avete,

As one quitely (and patiently!) awaiting citizenship approval, and may I add
hoping to start a new Gens, I have read the debate on Gens hoping and the
power of Paterfamilias with particular interest.

I am not sure if I may be permitted to speak on the matter ahead of
Citizenship approval but I feel the Honoured Senator, Marcus Cassius
Julianus, makes many valid and practical points about the makeup/
relationship of gens members to each other in real terms. It seems to me
that gens members are in reality a disparate and unrelated, group of adults
in many cases with no prior knowledge or aquaintence of each other, and with
little more possibly upon gens admittance.

Is the dominion (some might even argue domination) of a Paterfamlias or
authority such that it potentially restricts the right of cives to change
gens if necessary? If so, is this practical or will cives vote with their
feet? What is the check and balance to abuse of power?

To what extent is the current notional if not actual authority of a
Paterfamlias consistent with Roma Antiqua, and the best of Roma Antiqua ?
Did the Paterfamilias have this degree of control over branches of familes in
Roma Antiqua?

While I would accept the sincere concerns of honourable Consul Sulla, it
seems to me that Gaius Cassius Nerva proposes a sensible compromise?

The Senator is right, I feel about the unecessary adoption procedure for new
citizens, it also puzzles me why a Paterfamilias can effectively close a gens
- I've seen gens with one member and I feel the nett effect is to
artificially and in some cases drastically limit the use of and occurrence of
some pretty ancient and prevalent nomen from Roma Antiqua.

I would say the length of citizenship approval particularly if it is
predicated on inactive Patermilias approval is another inherent weakness.

I hope I have not spoken inappropriately, or out of turn, I speak to be
constructive.

Respectfully


VALETE

MCG

VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

LUX ET LEX







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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: More about Gentes (was: The REAL problem with our Gentes...)
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:23:19 -0000

Salve Amicus:

My personal thanks for your insights and comments. Although this
thread has not been touched in a couple of weeks in this forum,
except today, those magistrates concerned, are always interested in
the views of it citizens and their ultiimate wellbeing.

May your citizenship be approved soon, Crasse....Marcus Lucinius
Crassus?...looking at your addie....

I am always interested in why people choose the nomens they do.


My Praenomen is Pompeia. Some mistakenly think that it is taken
after the city Pompei, which is a wonder of the world, indeed.
However, I am one of those diehards who appreciate Pompey the Great's
accomplishments. Beating Caesar was not one of them :), but his
naval glories, his temples, theatre are among his good points.

My cognomen, which few women have, is after Strabo the
historian/geographer, and the fact that I do have an eye which is not
crossed, it tends to 'wonder' when I am tired...the name of this eye
weakness is 'strabismus'...hence strabo. Kind of a word twist.

Cornelia? Well, Mother Cornelia of the Gracchi, Scipio Africanus, and
others.

Anyone else care to share why they chose their Roman name? It would
make for a great discussion.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Praetor




In Nova-Roma@y..., MLCRASSVS@a... wrote:
> Avete,
>
> As one quitely (and patiently!) awaiting citizenship approval, and
may I add
> hoping to start a new Gens, I have read the debate on Gens hoping
and the
> power of Paterfamilias with particular interest.
>
> I am not sure if I may be permitted to speak on the matter ahead of
> Citizenship approval but I feel the Honoured Senator, Marcus
Cassius
> Julianus, makes many valid and practical points about the makeup/
> relationship of gens members to each other in real terms. It
seems to me
> that gens members are in reality a disparate and unrelated, group
of adults
> in many cases with no prior knowledge or aquaintence of each other,
and with
> little more possibly upon gens admittance.
>
> Is the dominion (some might even argue domination) of a
Paterfamlias or
> authority such that it potentially restricts the right of cives to
change
> gens if necessary? If so, is this practical or will cives vote
with their
> feet? What is the check and balance to abuse of power?
>
> To what extent is the current notional if not actual authority of a
> Paterfamlias consistent with Roma Antiqua, and the best of Roma
Antiqua ?
> Did the Paterfamilias have this degree of control over branches of
familes in
> Roma Antiqua?
>
> While I would accept the sincere concerns of honourable Consul
Sulla, it
> seems to me that Gaius Cassius Nerva proposes a sensible compromise?
>
> The Senator is right, I feel about the unecessary adoption
procedure for new
> citizens, it also puzzles me why a Paterfamilias can effectively
close a gens
> - I've seen gens with one member and I feel the nett effect is to
> artificially and in some cases drastically limit the use of and
occurrence of
> some pretty ancient and prevalent nomen from Roma Antiqua.
>
> I would say the length of citizenship approval particularly if it
is
> predicated on inactive Patermilias approval is another inherent
weakness.
>
> I hope I have not spoken inappropriately, or out of turn, I speak
to be
> constructive.
>
> Respectfully
>
>
> VALETE
>
> MCG
>
> VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS
>
> LUX ET LEX
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The Nova Roman Rally of 2755 in Europe, Photos and diary
From:	Emilia Curia Finnica <e.curia@welho.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:10:56 +0300

Salvete omnes,

The Nova Roman Rally of 2755 in Europe was held between Thursday, 8th
of August and Sunday, 11th of August in Tongeren, that is the oldest
town in Belgium with some interesting Roman sights. A wide range of
Novaromans with different nationalities were present in this first
European gathering. Now a selection of photographs with a descriptive
diary by Caius Curius Saturninus, Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.)
Concursus Primus, are available at:

http://www.insulaumbra.com/nreurope2002/

Enjoy!

Valete,
--


Emilia Curia Finnica
Scriba Araniae Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Scriba Aedilis (Caeso Fabius Q.) Aranei

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Here I go, stirring up the pot again.
From:	Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:47:40 +0200

Salvete, quirites.

Here comes another of my increasingly-rare proposals: How about putting
a stop to new gentes, or at least to new citizens starting their own?
Maybe through letting only citizens who've been in Nova Roma for more
than six months, or maybe a year, start their own gentes, and that with
the permission of the censors? This should concentrate our citizens into
fewer gentes with, as the census moves along, a much better percentage
of active paters.

This would work with the gens reform as well, as they still can join
existing gentes only they have to start their own families (by
cognomina) or maybe start in a common (Nemo?) gens until they've decided
which other gens to join...or something.

Just thinking that it'd be much neater with (thinking big, here) 1000
gentes averaging on 1000 citizens each, hitting bottom at a 150-gens and
topping out at a 2500-gens. Or something. One million
citizens...ahh...just consider the flames! :)

Just tossing out some random ideas, as we've got too little controversy
on the list at the moment. It's possible, even probable, that I've
stolen/ripped some/all of this from other people, but my memory being
what it is I claim them as my own ideas. ;)

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Why I Chose My Name
From:	"Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:40:46 -0400

Salve Praetor Pompeia Cornelia, et Avete Omnes,

Well, since you asked, I'll go through it name by name.

Proculus: an obsure, very rarely used praenomen.
Postumius: a gens which cranked out a number of consuls in the days of the Republic, though it seems they died out a little toward the end.
Nero: for the great emperor Nero, and the family Claudia, whom put out a few Nerones of Consular rank.
Drusus: one of the cognomina of the emperor Nero.
Sepulchratus: this came from my morbidity which is somewhat in a recession. Perhaps I should just cut the whole name down to the standard "Praenomen-Nomen and I'll add as the honors grow" format of a name. Such is the nature of my name. Though now that I think of things, perhaps I should be more a member of the gens Pompeia, being as how much I orate against Caesar. But that's just a thought.

Bene Valete,

Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus,
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
Civis Novae Romae

"Semper Sapiens et Cogitans, ut Cras Meliores Omnes Simus"


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: More about Gentes (was: The REAL problem with our Gentes...)
From:	"Paul Kershaw" <brighn@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:43:24 -0400

Salve Pompeia Cornelia:

Since you asked, here's the basis of my name.

Publius was the pseudonym of the authors of the Federalist Papers, and the praenomen of Publius Terentius Afer, a Phoenician slave who was emancipated and became known for his comedies. As both a writer and a libertarian, the name had double appeal for me.

Ualerius Secundus is the family gens, and was chosen by my wife, Lucia Ualeria Secunda Ianuaria, when she joined Nova Roma (before me).

Festus was given to me in the true spirit of a nickname: At the Roman event at Fort Malden this year, Quintus called me "Paullus Festus" after I was introduced as Paullus. I'm still not sure exactly what he meant by that, but Festus was a Gallic encyclopedist of the second century AD, and that appealed to my background in linguistics.

-- Publius Ualerius Secundus Festus of Lacus Magni
----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia
Anyone else care to share why they chose their Roman name? It would
make for a great discussion.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Praetor


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Here I go, stirring up the pot again.
From:	"Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:53:29 -0400

Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus T. Octavio Pio et Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete,

Your proposal is met with much agreement and approval on the end of Nova Roma that I hold up, however big or small it may be, we all hold up something on this boat, and the part I hold up supports this. It keeps the number of gentes lower and we can eliminate the necessity for there to be two gentes with the same nomen holding different cognomina, because there would be a different paterfamilias or materfamilias for each cognomen, if I am interpreting this correctly. So with this proposal, though perhaps it's not yet a proposal, I agree.

Bene Valete,

Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus,
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
Civis Novae Romae

"Semper Sapiens et Cogitans, ut Cras Meliores Omnes Simus"


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Census
From:	"krebdragonrider" <krebdragonrider@btopenworld.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:35:55 -0000

AVE NOMA ROMA

Salvete

As a person awaiting approval for citizenship of Nova Roma, I have
been acquainting myself with the Leges, Religio Romana, and this e-
group. Just to get the flavour of this micronation.

(Nova Roma seems to me a serious micronation based on the good things
of Ancient Rome minus the bad bits such as slavery and patriarchy -
more about this should be enrolled as citzen)

To the point, there appears to be a Lex announcing a census of Nova
Roma citizens, to be taken every 2 years and ending with the Ides of
September.

Is the Census taking place now, and would this delay my application
for citizenship?

(Normally I would ask the Censores in private, but this message would
be useful to other prospective citizens.)

I await your good reply to this question - this would help me develop
the virtue of Patience!

Pax,

Kreb Dragonrider.

P.S. I will use my Roman name when I become a Nova Roma citizen.

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Gentes
From:	"miguelkelly15" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:27:09 -0000

Salvete Omnes et Pompeia Cornelia Strabo,

You have a good idea for a discussion Pompeia. First let me say that
when I applied for citizenship a had a fair wait. Although the
layout, ogranization and instructions when one first discovers Nova
Roma are great and impressive the data can be quite overwhelming. It
is quite a learning curve. I initially thought that one should apply
to a gens in their local area so I did. Without mentioning who or
what, I applied and wrote several times to gens No. 1. I waited, no
response, tried other email routes but got undeliverable notices. I
was disappointed because the particular gens owner had a few good
websites on other historical subjects. After 4 weeks I wrote to the
Censors and they kindly suggested writing to other gens in my area. I
did so but got no responses or more undeliverable notices. By then I
suddenly learned that the man who had greeted me after my first
message to Nova Roma, offered his assistance and helped me with
various questions was Gaius Lanius Falco. Why not apply to his gens I
thought! In the same evening I went on the chat line on market day
for the first time. I talked to one of the consuls and a lady from
another gens and told them why I was not a citizen yet.They kindly
offered me to apply to their gens but simaltaneously Gaius Falco got
back to me after the chat. He gave me a good rundown on how he picked
his gentes name. To make a long story short, it is named after a
tough little hunting raptor (bird). On further research Lania is a
Latin American girl's name and the lan- stem in the Latin languages
has something to do with wool. I very much admired Gaius' originality
because I hear it can sometimes be a tough sell to our Censors to
apply for an unkown gens name. I picked Quintus out of honour to my
Kelly family because Quintus = 5 and there are 5 children. (sounds
neat too.) Paulinus was a Roman general called out of retirement who
brilliantly put down the Boudiccan rebellion in Britannia in the
reign of Nero. The revolt was so savage, especially for the citizens
of Londinium that Rome never built an unfortified city in her
colonies after that!

One final thought on this gens matter. I believe it should be
manditory that the paterfamilias respond all applicants to their
gens. We all have jobs and careers to look after but no matter who we
are or what we do, we all have a few minutes free each week to
respond. Not doing so may drive away or discourage a lot of
potentially good productive citizens. The only excuse I can think of
is death, serious illness or an accident. That is the hard part about
internet communication. If a citizen dies or is incapacitated we may
not know for months or never know. Also I agree with the previous
writer about gens membership. It seems wrong in my opinion that a
family gens should be closed after having one or two members unless
our Censors see fit to do so. I'll check my sources again but I
believe that in Ancient Rome only the government would shut down or
banish a family for disgracefull or treasonous behavoir.

Vale Bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus - Nova Roma Citizen

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] How I Chose My NR Name
From:	"aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:41:19 -0000

Salve, Pompeia--When I first joined Nova Roma, I actually wanted to
start my own gens, Gens Gaudiana, which is the feminine form of my
macronational surname, Gaudiano. But I couldn't find out what I
needed to do to start my own gens, and I decided that it might be
wiser for me to wait until I understood more clrearly what they were,
before founding my own, so I chose one from the Album Gentium,
instead.

My NR name, Renata Corva Cantrix, is basically my macronational
name, 'Chantal Renee Gaudiano,' with the Roman nomen substituted.

'Renata' is for my middle name, Renee, meaning 'reborn.'
'Corva' means 'raven,' a name I have liked for a long time. I
figured, if I couldn't have my real last name, I could at least have
that. (g)
'Cantrix,' meaning 'singer' is for my given name, Chantal, which
means 'song' in Frnech, I'm told.

'Gaudiana' means 'joyful' or 'rejoice.'

So, whether it's 'Raven Singer Reborn' or 'Joyful Singer Reborn,' I'm
happy!

---
Renata Corva

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> Anyone else care to share why they chose their Roman name? It
would
> make for a great discussion.

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Festus (was Re: More about Gentes...)
From:	labienus@texas.net
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:41:01 US/Central

Salve Publi Valeri Secunde

> Festus was given to me in the true spirit of a nickname: At the Roman event
> at Fort Malden this year, Quintus called me "Paullus Festus" after I was
> introduced as Paullus. I'm still not sure exactly what he meant by that...

Perhaps you looked happy. It means festive or joyous.

Then again, there was a Paulus Diaconus who wrote an abridgment of one of
Festus' works (which was itself an abridgment of, IIRC, a grammatical work of
Varro's). Then again, there was also a Festus who, according to the Bible, was
a procurator of Judea who tried Paul for being a nuisance (it's in Acts
somewhere).

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Festus (was Re: More about Gentes...)
From:	"Paul Kershaw" <brighn@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:06:29 -0400

Salve T Labienus Fortunatus

"Perhaps you looked happy. It means festive or joyous. Then again, there
was a Paulus Diaconus who wrote an abridgment of one of Festus' works (which
was itself an abridgment of, IIRC, a grammatical work of Varro's). Then
again, there was also a Festus who, according to the Bible, was a procurator
of Judea who tried Paul for being a nuisance (it's in Acts
somewhere)."

As far as looking happy, he did call me "Paullus Defestus" the next day when
I look tired (two days showing the barbarian hoi polloi how the Romans lived
is tiring 8) ), a deliberate pun. I think he may have actually been
erroneously truncating Paul the Deacon with Festus, the encyclopedist.
Biblically, Felix Antonious was the one who arrest Paul on charges of heresy
brought by the Jews; the Jews pressured Festus Porcius (not the
encyclopedist), Felix' replacement, to have Paul transferred to Jerusalem
for trial (where he'd surely be executed), but Festus had him tried in Rome
instead.

Given that the person calling me Paullus Festius is a schoolteacher and
university lecturer, he may well have been making a multi-level reference.

Vale,
Festus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Nomen Meum
From:	labienus@texas.net
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:13:39 US/Central

Salvete

I chose my praenomen and nomen in honor of the historic Titus Labienus, C
Iulius Caesar's legatus during the Gallic campaigns. He also served Caesar's
cause as a tribunus plebis. Being from Picenum like Pompeius Magnus, it's
possible that he was one of Pompeius' clientes, and that he worked for Caesar
at the behest of Pompeius. This is given some weight due to Labienus' support
of the Republican cause in the civil war, in which he caused Caesar a fair
amount of difficulty. He seems to have been every bit as able a commander as
the great Iulius, but rather less lucky. He died in battle with Caesar's
forces in Hispania.

I'm drawn to the ambiguity of Labienus' history as well as to his and his
family's apparent loyalty to the Republican cause. His son fought against the
triumviri, and another T Labienus issued a series of fiery speeches in favor of
the Republic during Augustus' reign. He seems to have been quite competent
and, if one believes that he was Pompeius' man, unswerving in his duty.

My cognmen, Fortunatus, is due to the great fortune I've had in life. I've
never truly suffered, and the universe has seemed to take care of me in even my
worst moments. When I was eleven, I survived a thirty foot fall without so
much as a bruise. Therefore, Fortuna is my personal patrona.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nomen Meum
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:31:28 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete Cives,

Just before I joined Nova Roma, I had watched the BBC's "I, Claudius". I had
a great deal of respect for Augustus, whose birth name was Gaius Octavius.
I chose the nomen of Octavius, and began the modern Gens Octavia, to
honor Augustus.

Germanicus was the father of Caligula, and once was heir apparent to
Tiberius. However, he died under mysterious circumstances; I chose
"Germanicus" as a cognomen in remembrance of a man who was cheated out
of becoming Princeps. This, also, was due to having recently seen
"I, Claudius"; at the time, I was more interested in the early Principate
(Empire) than in the Republic.

My praenomen of "Marcus" has a simpler origin; my birth name is "Matt",
and "Marcus" shares the first few letters. Additionally, my elderly
grandmother had accidentally called me "Mark" several times in her
final years, so I was already used to it!

Valete, Octavius.


--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nomen Meum
From:	Kristoffer From <from@darkeye.net>
Date:	Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:10:25 +0200

Salvete, omnes.

Ah well...might as well join in here, and explain my choice of name.

Titus: The only list of roman praenomina I found was rather short, less
than 20 names, and this one seemed most suitable. Also, it went well
with my cognomina, having the same vowels. (i and u) Just sounded good,
I guess. :)

Octavius: Actually not chosen for the name/word in and of itself, I just
decided on gens Octavia. Two reasons: I wanted to be a patrician, which
limited my options, and having talked to Caeso Fabius Quintilianus about
the various paterfamilias of patrician gentes, I decided I would
probably fit best into gens Octavia. A year and a bit later, I feel I
made the right choice.

Just as an aside, with the phrase "limited my options", I'm not saying
there were better suited plebeian gentes, rather that I didn't even
include those in my search. I'm probably badly damaged from using
internet search engines.

Pius: This was really easy. My family name is "From", which is swedish
for "pious", or in latin, "pius". Soo...

Another aside, I've been thinking about applying for "ahenobarbus" as an
additional cognomina, making me "Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus". This
in deference to my recently grown beard, which contrary to my blond hair
turned out a rather fiery shade of red. I believe "ahenobarbus" means
"red beard" or maybe "redbeard", right? Seemed suitable. Though I've yet
to decide if the beard's a keeper, so I'll not try anything radical
until the jury's in. :)

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

Post Scriptum: I pronounce my name
te-toss ("Te" as "me" but with a t. "Toss" as the word, should really be
a different vowel, but I'm not sure english employs that sound.)
ook-tah-v-oss ("Ook" like a monkey noise, only short. "Tah" pronounced
like brittish "far", i.e. with a silent r. "V" like when spelling out
the alphabet. "Oss" like the toss in Titus but without the t, again,
wrong vowel.)
pea-oss ("Pea" like those round green things I keep pushing to the side.
"Oss" - see Octavius.)
This is probably very wrong, but try sounding it out, to see how we
swedes abuse latin. :)

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nomen Meum
From:	"=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Hirtius=20Helveticus?=" <hirtius75ch@yahoo.de>
Date:	Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:15:03 +0200 (CEST)

Salvete Quirites

Well, I chose my name because of Aulus Hirtius, author
of Liber VIII of the Bellum Gallicum and the Bellum
Alexandrinum. He also wrote in 45 BC a libellous
pamphlet against Cato, which is however not preserved.
His active exchange of letters with Cicero had been
published in at least nine books. But unfortunately,
the little fragments to survive cannot be dated
accurately.
Beside that, A. Hirtius was a loyal follower of the
great Caesar (he belonged to Caesar's cohors amicorum)
and accompanied him on his campains. This is proofed
by the fact that Caesar sent Hirtius in December 50 to
Rome, in order to lead there in his name the last
negotiations before the outbreak of the civil war with
Pompeius. According to Cicero (Cic. ad Att. VII 4.2)
Pompeius detected in the fact that Hirtius stayed away
from an arranged meeting without excuse that a war was
inevitable.
Hirtius was, together with Pansa, the last Consul of
the Republic in 43 and died in battle during his great
victory over Antonius on April, 21 close to Antonius'
own tent the same year.

Beside that, Hirtius means "bristly, shaggy"... ;o)

Valete bene,


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Festus (was Re: More about Gentes...)
From:	"T. Cornelius Crispus" <centuriocornelius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:23:32 -0500

T Labienus Fortunatus wrote:
>>>Then again, there was also a Festus who, according to the Bible, was a
procurator of Judea who tried Paul for being a nuisance (it's in Acts
somewhere).<<<
Acts 25:27 - 26:32
Vale
T. Cornelius Crispus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The "Biblical Festus"
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:33:57 -0000

Salvete,

A few years ago, I tried to write a novel set during the reign of
Nero and used Nova Romans as characters. It became too much to handle
and I was getting saddened by the poor plot, so I dropped it. But
Porcius Festus was a major character in the chapters that did get
written.
His predecessor, Felix, was a disaster as Procurator. He was also a
brother of Pallas, one of Claudius freedmen and secretaries.
Festus seems to have been a much better sort, and probably wanted
to do well at the job. But sadly, he died after about two years in
office.

I have a theory about Festus. Since Judea was simmering with
rebelliousness which would erupt a few years later, Festus, anxious to
keep the peace and avoid controversy, may have done some dealing with
Paul of Tarsus. I think Paul's appeal to Ceasar was actually part of
a prearranged agreement with Festus. Since Festus never tried Paul
himself, Paul's appeal to Caesar is very odd. It is like appealing to
the Supreme Court when you have not gone through the Circuit Court yet.
Festus' problem rested with Paul's Roman citizenship. If he tried
and aquitted Paul, it would antogonize the Temple authorities and more
religioulsy observant Jewish factions, whcih Festus needed to have on
his side. But if he convicted Paul, who was not accused of any crime
under Roman law, the handing over of a Roman citizen to provincial
religious authorities may be seen in a bad light at home.
So, I guess that Festus met with Paul and arranged a deal. If Paul
would remove himself {and Festus' problem} by appealing to Caesar,
Festus would benefit by avoiding having to deal with a trial himself.
Paul for his part would benefit by being transported to Rome, which
he had already planned to visit since he wanted to meet the Christian
community already there. A trial based on mostly Jewish religious
complaints would mean a likely aquittal anyway. Such is my own theory
of Festus and Paul.

Gaius Cassius Nerva

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Nomen Meum
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:28:00 -0000

I chose my name as follows:

Gaius---just because I liked it.

Cassius---Because I like Cassius and wanted to join his gens. And
Patricia is the "Cassia Honey" of Nova Roma, in my opinion.

Nerva---1}because it sounds cool! And 2} The Emperor Nerva had a
stable reign, died peacefully, and had a decent father who was a
jurist who tried to persuade Tiberius to return to Rome and end the
corruption of Sejanus. He failed in that worthy task, but he did try.
So the name 'Nerva' seems to me to represent decency and
effectiveness, but is not overly pretentious. The Emperor Nerva did
not initiate a new form of government or do anything
"earth-shattering". He just seemed to do his job the best he knew
how, and aquired a very decent reputation in life and death.

Gaius Cassius Nerva

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nomen Meum
From:	"T. Cornelius Crispus" <centuriocornelius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:45:07 -0500

Salvete,
I choose my noman, Cornelius, after a centurion stationed in Provincia
Iudaea around 790 AUC. He was the first gentile to convert to Christianity.
My Pranomen was, Titus, chosen by my wife.
I wanted my Cognomen to say something about myself, so I chose Crispus,
which means "Curly Haired." It is tongue-in-cheek, since my most noticable
feature, (it seems) is my almost total lack of hair.
For Visual Aid see: http://www.geocities.com/legioxf/Food.htm
Vale,
T. Cornelius Crispus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] The "Biblical Festus"
From:	"T. Cornelius Crispus" <centuriocornelius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:57:39 -0500

Ave Nerva,
I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head, although I had never
thought about the prearranged agreement angle. Along with Paul's desire to
go to Rome, was the problem of his life expectancy if he was released in
Iudaea. There had already been two very serious conspiracies against his
life since he was arrested, including one directly before the hearing in
question. This way he left under Roman guard.
I would be interested in seeing your manuscript. I love historical fiction.
Vale,
T. Cornelius Crispus


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] The "Biblical Festus"


> Salvete,
>
> A few years ago, I tried to write a novel set during the reign of
> Nero and used Nova Romans as characters. It became too much to handle
> and I was getting saddened by the poor plot, so I dropped it. But
> Porcius Festus was a major character in the chapters that did get
> written.
> His predecessor, Felix, was a disaster as Procurator. He was also a
> brother of Pallas, one of Claudius freedmen and secretaries.
> Festus seems to have been a much better sort, and probably wanted
> to do well at the job. But sadly, he died after about two years in
> office.
>
> I have a theory about Festus. Since Judea was simmering with
> rebelliousness which would erupt a few years later, Festus, anxious to
> keep the peace and avoid controversy, may have done some dealing with
> Paul of Tarsus. I think Paul's appeal to Ceasar was actually part of
> a prearranged agreement with Festus. Since Festus never tried Paul
> himself, Paul's appeal to Caesar is very odd. It is like appealing to
> the Supreme Court when you have not gone through the Circuit Court yet.
> Festus' problem rested with Paul's Roman citizenship. If he tried
> and aquitted Paul, it would antogonize the Temple authorities and more
> religioulsy observant Jewish factions, whcih Festus needed to have on
> his side. But if he convicted Paul, who was not accused of any crime
> under Roman law, the handing over of a Roman citizen to provincial
> religious authorities may be seen in a bad light at home.
> So, I guess that Festus met with Paul and arranged a deal. If Paul
> would remove himself {and Festus' problem} by appealing to Caesar,
> Festus would benefit by avoiding having to deal with a trial himself.
> Paul for his part would benefit by being transported to Rome, which
> he had already planned to visit since he wanted to meet the Christian
> community already there. A trial based on mostly Jewish religious
> complaints would mean a likely aquittal anyway. Such is my own theory
> of Festus and Paul.
>
> Gaius Cassius Nerva
>
>
>
>
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