Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nomen
From:	"Valerie Hartzer" <valsylph@yahoo.com>
Date:	Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:21:16 -0400

Salvete Omnes!

In answer to Pompeia Cornelia's question about how people picked their names
here is the story of my name, both legal and Roman as they are related.

When I was born my mother was looking for a good strong name preferably a
historic ruler. Anastasia was not good as the Romanoffs came to a bad end ,
Catherine and Elizabeth are as common as water. My father heard a German
drinking song while flipping radio channels one day with the chorus "
Valderie, Valderi" and thought they said Valerie, as he didn't know any
foreign languages. My mother looked it up and found that is was the French
form of the Latin Valerius which means to be strong. Since it actually meant
"to be strong" my mom approved the name. Oddly, enough the Slavic feminine
of the name is Valeria, which is what my family called me growing up. Jane
was shoved in because my parents needed a Saint's name in order for me to be
baptized Roman Catholic. Hartzer is I am told Serbo-Croatian (at least that
is where that side of the family is from) and also German. When I got
married I decided to follow the old Etruscan practice of retaining my
original family name, as I have always been fascinated by the Etruscans and
Romans.

Many years pass, I leave Roman Catholicism for Neo-Paganism and end up in
Wicca. But it doesn't fit. The deities I have always talked to were Roman.
So I go looking for Greek and Roman Reconstructionist religion. I read tons
trying to sort out whether my beliefs fit Greek or Roman ones. All of my
friends recommended Nova Roma so I join the Religio list. There I meet
Pontifex Graecus who helps the bewildered newbie make sense out of Roman
naming.

Valeria could stay Valeria as a Gens name, the closest Roman name to Jane
was Ianuaria and Lucia ( light bearing) seemed to go well with the whole lot
and fit in with my scholarly background. Hartzer was a barbarian name and
simply could not be retained.

Unfortunately, all of my reading pointed to Valeria only being used as a
Gens name and Gens Valeria was closed. At the same time I went to last
year's Fort Malden Gathering and met Pompeia Cornelia who suggested that
maybe there had been a Secundus Gens Valeria in antiquity. She passed me
along to Lucius Cornelius Sulla, who was a censor at the time and he said I
needed to find an ancient source for it. I did a lot more reading. And then
I stumbled across a tomb inscription of a freedman Lucius Valerius Secundus
who paid for a female friend's tomb. I emailed the censors and voila I
became a materfamilias! So I worked really long and hard for this name! The
inscription appears on the Gens Valeria Secunda website. Simply click in the
words Valeria Secunda in the Album Gentium and it takes you right there.
Also, photos for the 2002 Fort Malden Gathering are there as well.

And that is that is the odd, round about story of my names.

Bene vale,
Lucia Valeria Secunda Ianuaria
Materfamilias Gens Valeria Secunda
"Try to enjoy the great festival of life with other men"
Epictetus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Nomen
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:18:40 -0000

Salve,

I'm afraid my choosing of my Nova Roman name isn't quite as
interesting as others. Cassius, obviously because I chose Gens
Cassia. Chose Cassia for two reasons. First is logistics, many of
the members are in Nova Britannia. The second reason is a little
more personal. Cassiopeia was the first constellation after the Big
Dipper that I was ever able to pick out.

Quintus was chosen because I am the fifth (and my mother will tell
you "Thank God, LAST") child in my natural family. I almost chose
Octavius since I was born in October but I thought Octavius was a
little imperious sounding where as Quintus Cassius had some
alliteration to it when said aloud.

Even though Quintus did have some connection to my natural family, I
went looking through to find a good cognomen that matched a family
trait. Calvus which means bald, fit perfectly with my family's
genetic predisposition towards male pattern balding of which I am not
immune.

Thus was "born" Quintus Cassius Calvus. Not really that interesting
a story, but not all stories are good ones <G> On the side, I've
been asked why I chose to sign off using "Pax" rather than Vale or
Valete. While I do wish those that read to be hale and strong, I
prefer to wish them peace. I know it's not exactly "proper" but
everyone has to have some quirks.

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: More about Gentes (was: The REAL problem with our Gentes....
From:	MLCRASSVS@aol.com
Date:	Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:28:49 EDT

Salve Marce Octavi,

Honoured Consul, I am grateful that you were able to spare the time to
explain the probable reasons for the technical anomaly surrounding the
apparent availability of certain names wothin a particular gens. With
respect, I would suggest that this is a matter that needs to be addressed for
future applicants.

As an aside, I read your comments about your own reasons for choosing the
gens OCTAVIA, with particular reference to the BBC television series "I
CLAVDIVS" and its portrayal of AVGVSTVS. I was actually fortunate enough to
meet the actor, Brian Blessed, who played AVGVSTVS in that series, and took
the opportunity to compliment him on his performance. For me, his portrayal
was so good, that when I visualise AVGVSTVS I see Brian Blessed in the role.

Anyway, I thank you for the explanation. I shall refrain from further public
comment until after Citizenship approval.


Vale,



MARCVS CALIDIVS GRACCHVS (hopefully!)


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

LUX ET LEX



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Lacus Magni Citizens E-mails
From:	Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:51:16 -0700 (PDT)

Salve,

I have a request of all the citizens of the Great
Provincia of Lacus Magni. I would like everyones
e-mail address. I have noticed that most of the
citizens have their e-mails listed as private...that
makes my job as Propraetor pretty difficult....its
hard to contact citizens and interact with them.

I had asked the censors concerning this contact info,
but did not receive that required info.

My request then is for every citizen to e-mail me
directly at imperialreign@yahoo.com, their current
e-mail address. This, I assure you, will only be used
for official Lacus Magni business and will not be
given out to anyone not connected to that business
unless you note otherwise.

Also, I would ask anyone who has not yet, but is
considering it, changed their profile to allow your
e-mail to be viewed on your citizen page to do so. It
is easy to do, all you have to do is sign in and edit
your profile to choose public instead of private.

(I will cross post this for any citizen of Lacus Magni
not currently subscribed to the GreatLakes list)


Thanks,



=====
Marcus Bianchius Antonius
Propraetor, The Great Provincia Lacus Magni

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] I'm back
From:	"morosbe2001" <morosbe2001@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:30:23 -0000

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Edictum Propraetoricium LVII about the selection of Minerva as
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:45:22 +0200

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thules

Edictum Propraetoricium LVII about the selection of Minerva as the
protecting Goddess of Academia Thules

The Academia is growing and it is changing and it could need a te
protection of the Gods. The Tresviri and I have for long felt that it
now is time to choose a protecting God or Goddess.

I. I hereby select the Goddess Minerva as the protecting Goddess of
Academia Thules.

II. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given August the 17th, in the year of the consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 2755 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Nomen Meum
From:	"Julilla" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:49:29 -0000

Julilla Sempronia Magna ominbusque SPD

I have been enjoying the discussion of names, and - stop me if I've
told this tale before - decided to add my own personal history.

In late 1995 I discovered the lush graphics and puzzling mysteries
of "SPQR" online at the old Time-Warner/Pathfinder site. As I
attempted to walk through the forum and solve the mysteries (on a
14.4 modem no less!) I found I needed to post on the accompanying
bulletin board, "The Rostra," for help. I'd just read Colleen
McCullough's "The First Man in Rome," so, when prompted to create a
username "Julilla" was the first thing that popped into my mind.

Later, I was among the first to register at the now defunct
AncientSites (soon to be resurrected under another name BTW) and
chose the nomen "Sempronius," so I have gone by praenomen and nomen
for the past five years.

I worked at AncientSites til its unfortunate demise last year, so was
too occupied to join NovaRoma, though I kept track of its growth. I
applied in January of 2001 to join gens Sempronia (and pestered and
whined and persisted til I was admitted - last, I am sorry to say, of
an ancient and illustrious gens, and chose the cognomen "Magna," not
because I am either large or great, but because that happened to be
the brand of motorcycle I rode.

That's the sequential history of my name! I suppose I ought to change
my cognomen now to match my new motorcycle: "larifuga" or "drifter,"
but I'm used to my name the way it is ;-)

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
Curatrix Araneae,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.konoko.net

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Edictum Propraetoricium LVIII about the erection of a virtual
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:22:33 +0200

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thules

Edictum Propraetoricium LVIII about the erection of a virtual Temple
for Minerva at the Academia Thules
and the appointment of a Sacerdos for this Temple

As Minerva is selected as the protective Goddess of the Academia
Thules it now is time to erect a Temple to her glory and to appoint a
Sacerdos to serve at this Temple. Illustra Patricia Cassia has
promised to by her services tend to the Goddess in her Temple at the
Academia Thules

I. I hereby proclaim that a virtual Temple to the Goddess Minerva is
to be erected at the Academia Thules. Honorable Emilia Curia Finnica
is hereby appointed to be responsible for the erection of this
Temple, as she is the Scriba Araniae Academia Thules.

II. I hereby appoint Illustra Patricia Cassia as the serving Sacerdos
Minervalis at the Temple of Academia Thules.

III. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given August the 17th, in the year of the consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 2755 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules
--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Ancient Sites {was Re: Nomen Meum}
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:07:18 -0000

I understand that Ancient Sites has been reactivated as a
pay-subscription site with the new name 'Ancient Worlds'.

Has anyone joined this or tried it out?

Nerva





--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Julilla" <curatrix@v...> wrote:
> Julilla Sempronia Magna ominbusque SPD
>
> I have been enjoying the discussion of names, and - stop me if I've
> told this tale before - decided to add my own personal history.
>
> In late 1995 I discovered the lush graphics and puzzling mysteries
> of "SPQR" online at the old Time-Warner/Pathfinder site. As I
> attempted to walk through the forum and solve the mysteries (on a
> 14.4 modem no less!) I found I needed to post on the accompanying
> bulletin board, "The Rostra," for help. I'd just read Colleen
> McCullough's "The First Man in Rome," so, when prompted to create a
> username "Julilla" was the first thing that popped into my mind.
>
> Later, I was among the first to register at the now defunct
> AncientSites (soon to be resurrected under another name BTW) and
> chose the nomen "Sempronius," so I have gone by praenomen and nomen
> for the past five years.
>
> I worked at AncientSites til its unfortunate demise last year, so was
> too occupied to join NovaRoma, though I kept track of its growth. I
> applied in January of 2001 to join gens Sempronia (and pestered and
> whined and persisted til I was admitted - last, I am sorry to say, of
> an ancient and illustrious gens, and chose the cognomen "Magna," not
> because I am either large or great, but because that happened to be
> the brand of motorcycle I rode.
>
> That's the sequential history of my name! I suppose I ought to change
> my cognomen now to match my new motorcycle: "larifuga" or "drifter,"
> but I'm used to my name the way it is ;-)
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com/
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| Rogatrix, MMDCCLV
> Scriba, Nova Roma Curator Araneae
> Curatrix Araneae,
> America Boreoccidentalis
> http://ambor.konoko.net

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Edictum Propraetoricium LIX about the appointment of a Caput
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:44:27 +0200

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thules

Edictum Propraetoricium LIX about the appointment of a Caput Generis
Doctrinae Nova Romae of the Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua
et Nova

As the Academia is growing and it need to strengthen its
adminstration it is a great pleasure for me, Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus, to appoint this Illustrus citizen to this very
important position within Provincia Thule and the Cohors
Propraetoris (The Propraetorian Staff, Provincial Government)!

I, as a Nova Roman citizen within the Provincia Thule, am proud to
see the Gravitas and Pietas this citizen shows and I am very glad
that he has accepted these very important positions as Caput Generis
Doctrinae!

I. I hereby appoint Illustrus Titus Labienus Fortunatus as Caput
Generis Doctrinae Nova Romae

II. The Caput Generis Doctrinae Nova Romae will be responsible for
all Novan Roman courses and will also have the administrative
responsibility for all other courses not under the responsibility of
the other Capitales Generis Doctrinae in Academia Thules.

III. Above appointed official is asked to observe that he is bound by
the "Approved Regula (Charter) for the Administration of Thule" as it
was published on the 15th of April 2001.

IV. As an official of Provincia Thule he is asked to, within on week
of his appointment to swear the public oath shown on
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html using both his
Nova Roman name and within parenthesis his macro-national (real) name.

The Oath must be published on the NovaRomaThule List and the Nova
Roma Main List!

V. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given August the 17th, in the year of the consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 2755 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules
--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Question about Latin
From:	"T. Cornelius Crispus" <centuriocornelius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:49:01 -0500

Salvete,
I have a quick question about what would be the proper way to say a title.
Cohors II Italica Civium Romanorum. When spoken would one say, Cohors
Secunda Italica Civium Romanorum, or Cohors Duo Italica Civium Romanorum?
Thanks to anyone who can help.
Vale,
T. Cornelius Crispus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Question about Latin
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:33:28 EDT

I believe Secunda would be the correct designation as in the Legio Secunda
Augusta in the province of Britannia. Vale.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Question about Latin
From:	"Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:35:25 -0400

Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus T. Cornelio Crispo S.P.D.

Salve,

You had it right the first time. It would, in english, be the Second Italic Cohort of the Roman Citizens, or, in Latin, be Cohors Secunds Italica Civium Romanorum. I'm certain I'm right on this, although you can move words around if you like, as long as you keep the same words there, but if I'm wrong, which I know I'm not this time, correct me.

Bene Vale,

Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus,
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
Discipolus Anno Tertio Linguae Latinae
Civis Novae Romae

"Doceamur"


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Question about Latin
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:03:08 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "T. Cornelius Crispus"
<centuriocornelius@h...> wrote:
> Salvete,
> I have a quick question about what would be the proper way to say a
title.
> Cohors II Italica Civium Romanorum. When spoken would one say,
Cohors
> Secunda Italica Civium Romanorum, or Cohors Duo Italica Civium
Romanorum?
> Thanks to anyone who can help.
> Vale,
> T. Cornelius Crispus

Salve,

I think the proper way to speak the title would be Cohors Secunda
Civium Romanorum.

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Question about Latin
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:07:33 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus"
<postumius@g...> wrote:
> Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus T. Cornelio Crispo S.P.D.
>
> Salve,
>
> You had it right the first time. It would, in english, be the
Second Italic Cohort of the Roman Citizens, or, in Latin, be Cohors
Secunds Italica Civium Romanorum. I'm certain I'm right on this,
although you can move words around if you like, as long as you keep
the same words there, but if I'm wrong, which I know I'm not this
time, correct me.
>


Salve,

Quite correct, Nero Drusus. If one were to use the word duo, it
would seem to indicate that it would be the Cohors of Two Roman
Citizens of Italy. Kinda of a small cohors <G>.

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus