Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Hydraulic Engineering
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:31:00 -0400 (EDT)

The Honorable Q. Fabius Maximus;

My sincere thanks for your posting of this site. It is a very
impressive one and goes a long ways towards explaining some of the more
technical aspects of the Science of Hydraulic Engineering as understood
and practiced by Roman Engineers. The site in and of itself is very
interesting to me personnally and of course to those few in NR who might
be interested in Roman Engineering as well. However, the wealth of
information relatingto additional sites and resources is really rather
extraordinary in it's detail. I suspect that it will be some time,
before I am able to consider the totla amount of excellent information
and references that this site presents.

Again my thanks for providing this excellent link for those Nova Romans
who may be interested in Roman Engineering Discussions in general and
the Science of Hydraulic Engineering in particular.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Praefectus Architecturas / Geographica -- Sodalitaus Militarium -- Nova
Roma

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: taking a deep breath
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:34:30 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., Nurmi Husa <polymath@p...> wrote:
> There's nothing like the subject of taxation to get
> people to arguing like a school of piranha with low
> blood sugar. (Thank the Gods we've been spared the
> subjects of sewer assessments and whether pot-bellied
> pigs can be raised as pets within city limits!)
>

I have no objections whatsoever towards any non-dangerous animal
being kept as a pet with in city limits so long as the owner cleans
up after them. Which raises the question of sewer assesments on the
waste excreted by pets. <EVIL GRIN>

Vale,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: pigs in rome
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:39:44 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:

> We cannot raise pot bellied pigs with in Rome? Aediles, see that
this
> changed at once.
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus who loves his pigs.

Wouldn't that be the jurisdiction of the Urban Praetor? If no one
speaks up on behalf of the pot-bellied pigs will they be coming after
us hamster owners next?

Salve,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latin Tax
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:29:47 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Gai Galeri,

> Since the $25 dollars, the proposed tax rate,

Currently we're charging $12 (or $18 if paid late), a bit less than $25.

> is equivalent to 4 hours work at the minimum wage of $6.25, the
> just rate for the Latin American countries should be $2.00 dollars,
> the minimum wage there being at $0.50 cents,

Minimum wage might not be in close proportion to money actually earned
by the average citizen. It's something that is set by governments
according to their whims. In the United States, members of the
Republican Party will say that the current minimum wage is too high;
members of the Democratic party will say that it is too low.

Instead, let us use a neutral standard, not influenced much by
politics - something like the GDP per capita (as found in the CIA
factbook). This ranges from 6500 for Brazil to 36000 for the
United States; taking one two-thousandth of this as the annual tax,
Brazilians would pay $3.25, most of Europe pay $11, Americans pay $18.

> Just think what would be like to have the tax rate at $300.00. And that
> is what a $25.00 dollars is worth in Latin America.

I agree; it should be lowered.

> I am not being facitious about this. In Latin America for $25.00 you
> can get boarding for a whole month, and that is exactly what you would get
> here for its equivalent of $300.00 dollars. Double that amount to $50.00
> dollars and you could rent a house, and again you get the same thing here
> for a $600.00 dollars.

Depends on where the house is... the last apartment I rented in
Chicago was $900 for two bedrooms, one bath, no air conditioning.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: taking a deep breath
From:	"T. Cornelius Crispus" <centuriocornelius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:56:05 -0500

Salve,
Quintus Cassius Calvus writes:
> I have no objections whatsoever towards any non-dangerous animal being
kept as a pet with in city limits so long as the owner cleans up after them.

See, that's just the problem. Who gets to determine what is a dangerous pet,
and what isn't? I mean, what is a dangerous pet in America, may not be in
some third world countries. ;]

Vale,
T. Cornelius Crispus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Bodyguard
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:31:10 -0400 (EDT)

Master Porculius Nero;

If you can make it to the Market Days Event in Welles, Maine, I should
be pleased to place you under the protection o the Ludi Maximus
Gladitori. They have some small skill in the arena, and a wide range of
weapons to choose from. Bring a bottle of wine and we can discuss the
elements of Earth, Fire, and Water whle we watch the gladiators train.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens;

C0-Owner Ludi Maximus Gladitori

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Kaboom!
From:	StarVVreck@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:28:48 EDT

Salvete Novi Romani Ancient Coin Collectors,

There's a product called Kaboom that makes old Lincoln pennies instantly turn
brand new in appearence. However, I tested it on an ancient Roman Copper
Coin Slug I had and it turned it an off shade of white with a mix of purple.
So I would not recommend using Kaboom on Ancient Roman Coins. Just a
warning.

Vale,

Iulius Titinius Antonius


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latin Tax
From:	"Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:23:59 -0400

Proculus Postumius Nero Marco Octavio Germanico S.P.D.

Salve Consul,

My comments and inquisitions are in parentheses.

Salve Gai Galeri,

> Since the $25 dollars, the proposed tax rate,

Currently we're charging $12 (or $18 if paid late), a bit less than $25.

> is equivalent to 4 hours work at the minimum wage of $6.25, the
> just rate for the Latin American countries should be $2.00 dollars,
> the minimum wage there being at $0.50 cents,

Minimum wage might not be in close proportion to money actually earned
by the average citizen. It's something that is set by governments
according to their whims. In the United States, members of the
Republican Party will say that the current minimum wage is too high;
members of the Democratic party will say that it is too low.

Instead, let us use a neutral standard, not influenced much by
politics - something like the GDP per capita (as found in the CIA
factbook). This ranges from 6500 for Brazil to 36000 for the
United States; taking one two-thousandth of this as the annual tax,
Brazilians would pay $3.25, most of Europe pay $11, Americans pay $18.

(A better idea than some of what I have seen, however, how can we exactly
say this is fair? Who is to decide what is and is not fair?)

> Just think what would be like to have the tax rate at $300.00. And
that
> is what a $25.00 dollars is worth in Latin America.

I agree; it should be lowered.

(Lowered...but to what extent?)

> I am not being facitious about this. In Latin America for $25.00 you
> can get boarding for a whole month, and that is exactly what you would get
> here for its equivalent of $300.00 dollars. Double that amount to $50.00
> dollars and you could rent a house, and again you get the same thing here
> for a $600.00 dollars.

Depends on where the house is... the last apartment I rented in
Chicago was $900 for two bedrooms, one bath, no air conditioning.

(And this, as I'm sure the consul knows, depends on where the apartment is,
what it looks like, and other such things.)

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator


----

Optiume Vale,

Proculus Postumius Nero

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Kaboom!
From:	"Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:40:20 -0400

Pro. Postumius Nero Iulio Titinio Antonio S.P.D.

Salve,

Thanks for the warning. I'll keep it in mind.

Vale,

Nero, Neronis Imperatoris Minor


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Kaboom!
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:25:55 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : StarVVreck@aol.com
Date : 29 August 2002 20:28:48
>
>There's a product called Kaboom that makes old Lincoln pennies instantly turn
>brand new in appearence. However, I tested it on an ancient Roman Copper

I have always understood Coca-Cola was the product for this use! The likelihood is that modern copper isn't copper any more than silver is silver (sad to lose our silver coins this year) or that the Roman had accreted so many other exotic compunds over the centuries that it all reacted unexpectedly. Maybe you're lucky that it wasn't Kaboom for real!
Vib. Ambrosio Caesariense


--
Personalised email by http://another.com

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Bodyguard
From:	"Pro. Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:31:49 -0400

Proculus Postumius Nero Marco Minucio Audenti S.P.D.

Salve,

I'd love to make it there, but being a minor student and given my state of residence, I'm afraid I cannot make it, though I'd love to discuss the elements and watch the gladiators over some wine. I won't get drunk; I promise <grin>.

Optime Vale Doctor Magne,

Proculus Postumius Nero Drusus Sepulchratus, Scriba.


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Kaboom!
From:	StarVVreck@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:19:37 EDT

In a message dated 8/29/2002 5:15:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
me-in-@disguise.co.uk writes:


> I have always understood Coca-Cola was the product for this use!

Coca Cola is good at cleaning ancient roman coins? I've been cleaning Roman
coins for years now using TSP Industrial Cleaner and Olive Oil, but that
takes years (which I why I tried to see if the Kaboom would work faster).


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Hydraulic Engineering
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:52:06 EDT

In a message dated 8/28/02 6:32:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jmath669642reng@webtv.net writes:


> Again my thanks for providing this excellent link for those Nova Romans
> who may be interested in Roman Engineering Discussions in general and
> the Science of Hydraulic Engineering in particular.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens

Salvete Marce Minuci Audens et al:

But is this is not why we are all here, to study, to acknowledge, desiminate
knowledge about Rome? No thanks is neccessary to a Roman carrying out his
duty.
I am pleased you like the site. I thought you might.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ideas - taxes
From:	"Paul Kershaw" <brighn@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:02:25 -0400

Caius Minucius Scaevola,

I really think we're arguing to argue, and we're not that far apart in
actual opinion.

For instance, you said:
"Based on the fact that the average cive in NR owns a computer and has
enough leisure to pursue what is essentially a hobby, I consider US$12
to be a trivial amount in this venue."

US$12 is a trivial amount for an American active on the Internet. Period.
The price of computers is irrelevant. If you don't have $12/year -- or even
$25/year -- disposable income to contribute, I presume you have more
pressing concerns than who to vote for in the next NR election. NR even
recognizes this, and makes the amount optional.

"Separate from my point but tangent to the discussion at hand, I also
believe that a sliding scale, based on something like the CIA Worldbook
numbers, would be more equitable than the current flat rate."

For me, this is the central issue. You're correct when you say that that
wasn't how the topic was initially raised; you were less generous in your
interpretation of L. Arminius Faustus' words than I was. The "original
point" that I presented was my interpretation, and I don't know if that was
what was initially meant by the poster or not. That's for him to confirm or
deny.

-- Festus

Notes on Netiquette:
(1) I acknowledge your comment about word wrapping. I use Outlook Express
and have been on the Net since the late 80s; you're the first person to
complain about my word wrapping. Your complaint is apparently with Outlook
Express, not with me; if you wish to research how to accomplish your word
wrapping expectations on Outlook Express and educate me, by all means, do
so.
(2) I acknowledge your comment about me quoting out of context. The
Netiquette that I implement is that, in responding to long posts on
discussion boards, I quote only the sections to which I'm responding and
retain the subject line, on the assumption that if someone wants to read the
original context, they can go to the archives or their own mail folder. This
Netiquette is not unusual, and is in fact the preferred method for the
quarters of the Net I frequent.

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Request for help
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:59:15 EDT

Salve, Aurelia

In my travels through cyberspace I came across the homepage for the Smith
College Museum of Ancient Inventions. Apparently there is a course of study
at Smith College in Massachusetts where students recreate famous ancient
inventions as part of the course requirements. Photos of these inventions
are then displayed virtually on the Internet. As to whether any of these
inventions actually work I cannot say. However, there are several links that
may be of use to you. The website is -

www.smith.edu/hsc/museum/ancient_inventions/home.htm

Vale,

Gaius Lanius Falco


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Hydraulic Engineering
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:09:39 EDT

Salve, Honorable ProConsul Marcus Minucius Audens

Perhaps you might also be interested in the following website:

www.theplumber.com

It has several links concerning ancient methods of plumbing, including
plumbing in Pompeii and Herculaneum.

Vale,

Gaius Lanius Falco


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Taxes, old discussions and EU
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:01:01 +0200

Salve Honorable L. Arminius Faustus!

I am glad that You see some possibilities in my suggestion. This will
have to be researched to see how we shall handle the advantages and
disadvantages if we choose to gon down this road. ;-).

>Salve, honorable Fabius Quintilianus,
>
>´... to in the future register each Provincia with the "local"
>government as a non-profit organisation...´
>
>I agree entirely! This is the solution for many legal problems! And
>by the estatute, the local NR (provincial government) will be
>bounded to the main NR (central administration).
>
>L. Arminius Faustus

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

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