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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] For Voting of Senator
From:	"internetomat68" <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
Date:	Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:41:19 -0000

Salve popolum Romanum Nova-Roma

Wie kann man sich zum Senator, wählen lassen. Wie muss man da
vorgehen,leider verstehe ich zu wenig Englisch.Wenn jemand weiss
wie die Prozedur geht, wäre ich froh. Wenn es mir leider auf Deutsch
schreiben könnte. Vielen Dank für das Verständnis, an die Mitglieder
des Nova-Roma.

Quintus Fabius Rullianus abstammung Adeliger Römischer Patrizier
Familie, Fabii,Fabia,Fabius,Fabianus,Fabienne,Fabiani,Fabiano.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:57:56 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : “L. Sicinius Drusus“ <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date : 04 September 2002 06:20:42

>Macronational laws that would make it very hard to
>reconstruct Roman buldings exactly like they were
>constructed 2000 years ago.
>
>I'm not sure that this is entirely undesirable. The
>Romans were great inovators and I'm think they would
>have embraced structal Steel as readaly as they did
>Roman Concrete.
>
Concrete is surely a Roman invention? Insulae were built mostly on a girder principle, if using timber or brick pillars with infilling so we can surely assume that modern techniques would have been accepted perhaps earlier in a continuing ResPublica than in what followed it. Only the dead does not develop.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Reenacting NR and the SCA
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:14:51 +0100 (BST)

I could not help recalling in your long gripe against the SCA that most of what is being re-enacted in mediaeval tournemants and the like is *itself* fantasy play-acting. That is, when knights truly were knights and the rules of chivalry important (11th to 14th century) that was more often than not because those rules were an attempt to prevent all-out massacre between people little removed from marauders. A tournament most often consisted of stating a day and crossroads and whoever turned up from any direction sought to knock the brains out of whoever was there already and claim their possessions or ransom them off without killing them deliberately: a bunch of Hell's Angels would be closer to mediaeval knights than the image of jousting fields and so on.
That comes later, a Renaissance anachronism of the 'Good Old Days' as they never were. By that time, it was felt that chivalry was in decline and should be demonstrated when the truth is that it was probably only ever an ideal more often used as gamesmanship than truly believed in. A similar situation would apply to the real Samurai wars in Japan when sneak attacks and guns were their own justification providing one wasn't caught breaking Bushido compared to the settled Shogunate which could afford to ban guns because there were no more civil wars.
In a sense, Hollywood tournaments are the real thing because the real thing as formal spectator jousts went was itself largely an unreal entertainment for an aristocracy that fought its real battles with longbows and cannon.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project
From:	caiustarquitius@gmx.de
Date:	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:50:41 +0200 (MEST)

Salvete!
I would not have any need for electricity. The roman sanitarian standards
were very high, one would actually only have to choose the "cleanliest"
examples. About the steel and so on: If the romans would have had plastic, they
would have used it then aswell, styropor instead of stucco, enamel paint, aso.
That is not what I think a Nova Roma place should be. Anyone who wants THAT
stuff can go to Ceasar's Palace for a couple of days. Anyway, there are firms in
europe reconstructing roof tiles, building tiles, one can have tile-columns
rather than ones in marble and so on. You just have to do a lot of research.
For the people wishing electricity and modern sanitarian devices I would
rather build an extra barn like on campingsites.
Valete! Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] For Voting of Senator
From:	Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
Date:	04 Sep 2002 21:39:48 -0300

Em Qua, 2002-09-04 às 15:41, internetomat68 escreveu:
> Salve popolum Romanum Nova-Roma
>
> Wie kann man sich zum Senator, wählen lassen. Wie muss man da
> vorgehen,leider verstehe ich zu wenig Englisch.Wenn jemand weiss
> wie die Prozedur geht, wäre ich froh. Wenn es mir leider auf Deutsch
> schreiben könnte. Vielen Dank für das Verständnis, an die Mitglieder
> des Nova-Roma.

Sowie im antiken Rom, wird man nicht sum Senator gewählt. Die Censoren
nominieren Senatoren aus den meist proeminenten Politikers.

Best is den "Cursus Honorum" aufstiegen Vom Aedilis bis zum Konsul, eine
Posizion jedes Jahr und in 4 zu 5 Jahre werden Sie ein Senator.

Vale

Manius Villius Limitanus
Tribunus Plebis


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Opening ceremony for the Ludi Romani
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:49:31 -0400

It is my pleasure and duty to present to you this account of the
opening ritual of today's Ludi Romani. I am indebted to Dionysus of
Halicarnassus for his helpful description of this event, from which I
have drawn this imaginative account. I hope Iuppiter Optimus Maximus
will not take it amiss that I, a mere priestess of Minerva, have
ventured to describe this ancient sacrifice.

-----

Allow me to summon your imagination to the streets of Rome, where today
is a day of celebration -- and of reverence. The great games of the
Ludi Romani are set to begin, and all is in readiness. Yet first we
must do honor to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, in whose honor these games
are begun.

This sacrifice is in itself a spectacle, and I have stepped away from
my duties at the Temple of Minerva to witness the event and describe it
to you. The procession starts at the Capitol, through the Forum to the
Circus Maximus. The streets are thronged, but I have found myself a
good vantage point thanks to a loyal devotee of Minerva, who has
invited me to join his family on the roof of his home.

The crowd mills around -- the parade is late starting, just as it has
been every year. Vendors are selling sausages and fruit, for what would
Rome be without commerce? People of all social classes are here to see
the sights, looking forward to a wonderful break from the daily round.

Then a buzz runs through the throng, and the footsteps of the lictors
are heard, escorting the chief magistrates in their togas.
Knowledgeable Romans inspect this group, trying to figure out which of
them is making the most ostentatious show of piety in preparation for
the winter election. Of course, many of these men may be found at every
such sacrifice -- the flamen Dialis, chief priest of Iuppiter, in his
unusual attire; the Pontifex Maximus looking handsome and aloof in his
purple-striped toga; the Rex Sacrorum, distinguished by the lack of a
senatorial stripe on his tune (he, of course, is forbidden to serve in
the Senate or hold public office).

Fond though we Romans are of watching (and gossiping about) our
leaders, they cannot hold our attention for long. Behind them comes the
real procession -- young men on horseback, charioteers, racers, some
driving four horses, some two. This is our chance to inspect the
animals on which we’ll be wagering our money! Cheers go up for the
competing teams, and a few fistfights break out in the crowd among
fans of Green and Blue. After them come the athletes, naked except for
loincloths, and more than one respectable matron pushes back her palla
to get a better look.

Next comes a troupe of dancers, men and boys in scarlet tunics,
mimicing the fighters with their shining helmets, swords and spears,
but performing warlike dances to the tunes of the flute-players. After
them come the clowns -- actors dressed as satyrs and barbarians,
playing out broad jokes to entertain the crowd, even making fun of the
warrior-dancers ahead.

Yet this is a religious event, and next we see the musicians who keep
the temple area clear of impure noises; the men who burn incense along
the route to purify the crowd and the way; the priests carrying gold
and silver vessels with offerings to Iuppiter.

All this is a prelude to the most inspiring sight of the procession:
images of Rome’s most sacred gods, borne shoulder-high on stretchers.
The list goes on: Iuppiter, Iuno, and Minerva, of course, the
Capitoline triad who represent Rome herself; Neptune, Pluto, Vesta,
Ceres, Mars, Apollo, Diana, Mercury, Vulcan, Bacchus, Venus, Saturn,
Ops, Themis, Latona. The crowd falls a bit more silent during this
time, partly out of piety and partly in an effort to remember who
everyone is! We ses minor deities (some borrowed from the Greeks) such
as the Muses and the Graces, heroes become gods such as Hercules,
Aesculapius, Castor and Pollux.

Last come the animals who are to be sacrificed this day. These are the
purest, healthiest, strongest oxen Rome has to offer. They get a big
cheer, for the Romans know that after the gods receive their share,
most of the meat will be served out at tonight’s public banquet.

As the animals travel into the Circus, the consuls are waiting to
preside. They, their priests and assistants all wash their hands before
the ceremony begins. The consuls cover their heads for the preliminary
sacrifice by pulling a fold of their togas over their heads -- the
traditional “cinctu Gabino.” Standing straight and dignified, they
place incense and wine on the altar in offering.

“Iuppiter, in making this offering to you, we pray with good prayers
that you watch over us and all of Rome. May you be honored by this
offering.”

With this the consuls stepped back, allowing the priests to purify the
oxen with clear water and sprinkle the animals with mola salsa.

“May this water cast out all impurities from us and from our offering,
as from lead to gold. Purify our minds, Purify our bodies, Purify our
hearts. So be it!”

Then the priests step back as well, for it is their assistants who
perform the sacrifice. As the flutes and lyres play on, the oxen are
struck on the head with a club, falling on the sacrificial knives that
are held ready for the purpose. Then begins a time of frantic activity,
the animals being butchered and prepared for cooking. The crowd grows
restless, but the ceremony is not over. A piece from each of the
innards and from each limb is placed in a special basket, sprinkled
with mola salsa and carried to the officiating priests. The priests
kindle fires on the altars and place the sacrificial meat on the fire
to burn, pouring wine over the flames as they grow higher.

“So be it!” they cry again, and the officiants step forward to profane
the remaining meat with their touch, so that it may be properly cooked
and served to the people.

With this the games are blessed, and Iuppiter’s favor invoked for kind
weather, prosperity and security. May the Best and Greatest guard you
and yours as well.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Salvete
From:	"cnstrabo" <jlancaster@foxcable.com>
Date:	Thu, 05 Sep 2002 01:20:39 -0000

Salvete Romani!

I come before you, a humble applicant to your realm. I sent in my
application yesterday and understand I have a bit of a wait, but I
wanted to dive in anyway.

My birth name is Jim Lancaster; I have applied for the name Gnaeus
_____ Strabo (I hesitate to declare a gens until I have been accepted
into one). I live in Los Angeles, California. Gnaeus is a name I
love, and Strabo describes by my habitual squinting and my
peripatetic wanderings through Roman history while mapping out a
novel on the Severans. I'm preparing to paint a kalendar on my
dining room wall and am painting a statue of Venus Genetrix for a
back yard shrine. Any color suggestions, especially as to the robes,
and appropriate jewelry would be appreciated. (She is not life-size,
but 27" high, a copy of the statue in the Louvre thought to be a copy
of one by Kallimachos.)

I don't speak Latin but I took Greek in college and remeber a handful
of it. I'm not language proficient. I have utter admiration for
this noble endeavor and the remarkable society you have created, and
the storms you have weathered in the process. I hope to be able to
play my own plebeian part.

I wish you all much felicitas in the ludi Romani.

Valete bene omnes,

Jim/Gnaeus _____ Strabo
jlancaster@foxcable.com

PS: Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura: I noted your request for materials.
I recently read Zosimus' Historia Nova (in translation), of which the
Los Angeles Public Library had a lending copy. As far as I can tell,
it's the primary work of Zosimus. It's very chatty. I can track
down the publication data if you like. Drop me a note. -- j.


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:49:36 -0700 (PDT)

--- caiustarquitius@gmx.de wrote:
> Salvete!
> I would not have any need for electricity. The roman
> sanitarian standards
> were very high, one would actually only have to
> choose the "cleanliest"
> examples. About the steel and so on: If the romans
> would have had plastic, they
> would have used it then aswell, styropor instead of
> stucco, enamel paint, aso.
> That is not what I think a Nova Roma place should
> be. Anyone who wants THAT
> stuff can go to Ceasar's Palace for a couple of
> days. Anyway, there are firms in
> europe reconstructing roof tiles, building tiles,
> one can have tile-columns
> rather than ones in marble and so on. You just have
> to do a lot of research.
> For the people wishing electricity and modern
> sanitarian devices I would
> rather build an extra barn like on campingsites.
> Valete! Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
>
> Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
>
> --
> GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet.
> http://www.gmx.net
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
The Roman "Sanatation" consisted of dumping raw sewage
from the public and private latrines into the Tiber
fouling it's waters, or of tossing the contents of
chamber pots into the streets. As far as living
without electricity, that is attempting some kind of
24 hour a day Role Playing Game instead of reviving
Roman Culture.

We are Romans, not the Amish.

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
Seneca, Letters to Lucilius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Senate exemptions for young candidates
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:33:50 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete Quirites,

In November or December we will have an election for next
year's magistrates.

At this point, it is much too early for declarations of candidacy...
however, potential candidates who have not attained the minimum
ages for the offices they wish to seek should apply to the Senate
now for an exemption.

If any citizen who is too young for an office, but is otherwise
qualified, wishes to apply for an exemption, please mail a
request for this exemption (including your qualifications,
experiences, birthdate, and office you will seek) to
senate@novaroma.org. I will attempt to convene the Senate
in about one week to consider these requests.

Valete, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Reenacting NR and the SCA
From:	"ambrosius_slivus" <xwood@usa.net>
Date:	Thu, 05 Sep 2002 02:25:27 -0000

I read this thread with such amusement I had to reply. I've met Vlad
of the party tent. Nice guy, fun parties. I'm pretty sure I
personally know those who have been most responsible for the
transformation of Pennsic from historical reenactment to month-long
drunken party with a "barbarians and bar wenches" theme. Sure, it's
not all about historical accuracy, but people are having fun. I
always thought it would be cool if there were a large contingent of
Romans there, to show everyone how to really party! After all, the
Romans invented partying as we know it (convive)!

Fun aside, Nova Roma should be different. It has different stated
goals. Nova Roma is supposed to be a living republic, not just a
history club. But let's not try to be exclusive of what for a lot of
people in NR is a favorite hobby, historical (or not-so-historical)
re-enactment. It would be fun to have a Nova Roma contingent at
Pennsic, but not as a part of the SCA but as Nova Romans who
participate in SCA too. Even better, our own Nova Roma fairs
and "battles" (remember frequently Roman army bases grew into towns
as markets and fairs were held there). If Nova Roma doesn't provide a
structure for those who are into reenacting, they will be siphoned
off into other organizations like SCA. Currently, many
Roman "anachronists" are organized as households within the SCA.
Wouldn't it be great if they could be members of the Tribes of Nova
Roma? I think Nova Roma should work out associate memberships between
organizations like SCA so people who have both interests would be
able to participate in both.

Ti. Ambrosius Silvus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Opening ceremony for the Ludi Romani
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:51:23 +0200

Salve Illustra Patricia Cassia!

Thank You very much for conducting the religious opening ceremony of
the Ludi Romani!

>It is my pleasure and duty to present to you this account of the
>opening ritual of today's Ludi Romani. I am indebted to Dionysus of
>Halicarnassus for his helpful description of this event, from which I
>have drawn this imaginative account. I hope Iuppiter Optimus Maximus
>will not take it amiss that I, a mere priestess of Minerva, have
>ventured to describe this ancient sacrifice.

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"

************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Reenacting NR and SCA
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:38:11 -0400

I should perhaps point out that there is a Yahoo group called
"sca-romans" specifically for people in the SCA who have taken on Roman
personae. It's been rather quiet over there, and it might be fun to see
a few more Nova Romans!

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Market Days--Welles, Maine
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:57:58 -0400 (EDT)

Senators Cassia and Cassius;

I am packing the van today, and we will leave for Welles tomorrow
morning, planning to be in Welles by 1:00 P.M. I plan to use my large
fly (12' x 16') and in addition, the Legio XXIV / Ludi Maximus Gladitori
will need a space approximately 100 ft x 50 ft at mnimum for unit
set-up, weapons and armor displays, practice butts, and Gateway. Since
the weather is predicted to be good I shall plan to bring all of my
display material, models, maps and weapons for "on the ground" layout
displays, as well as the table displays.

(I am assuming the encampment that we had at Roman Days will be repeated
in some small fashion)

I perhaps have missed your directions to the event area after my arrival
in Welles. I should be most appreciative to be appraised of that
informaton. I have never been in Welles previously, having only passed
it on the way to Portland.

I understand that there will also be at least two Gladiators available,
and so we will need a gladitorial fighting area as well;-- an area of
approximately 50' x 50' that is clear of obsttuctions and fairly level.

We discussed earlier my drawings which I shall be pleased to bring. I
have a few wieghts to keep the drawings from blowing but any additional
material of that kind, and the display tables (4-6) that we discussed,
and that you can arrange would be appreciated. I will bring all of my
camp furniture to facillitate the displays. Finally, if I may impose
upon you to assist with the raising of the fly at my camp, I should be
most appreciative. The old bones don't work that well any more!!!!

See you tomorrow!!!!!

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Salvete
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:16:54 -0500

to gar auto noien estin, te kai enai!

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----- Original Message -----
From: cnstrabo
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:20 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Salvete

Salvete Romani!

I come before you, a humble applicant to your realm. I sent in my
application yesterday and understand I have a bit of a wait, but I
wanted to dive in anyway.

My birth name is Jim Lancaster; I have applied for the name Gnaeus
_____ Strabo (I hesitate to declare a gens until I have been accepted
into one). I live in Los Angeles, California. Gnaeus is a name I
love, and Strabo describes by my habitual squinting and my
peripatetic wanderings through Roman history while mapping out a
novel on the Severans. I'm preparing to paint a kalendar on my
dining room wall and am painting a statue of Venus Genetrix for a
back yard shrine. Any color suggestions, especially as to the robes,
and appropriate jewelry would be appreciated. (She is not life-size,
but 27" high, a copy of the statue in the Louvre thought to be a copy
of one by Kallimachos.)

I don't speak Latin but I took Greek in college and remeber a handful
of it. I'm not language proficient. I have utter admiration for
this noble endeavor and the remarkable society you have created, and
the storms you have weathered in the process. I hope to be able to
play my own plebeian part.

I wish you all much felicitas in the ludi Romani.

Valete bene omnes,

Jim/Gnaeus _____ Strabo
jlancaster@foxcable.com

PS: Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura: I noted your request for materials.
I recently read Zosimus' Historia Nova (in translation), of which the
Los Angeles Public Library had a lending copy. As far as I can tell,
it's the primary work of Zosimus. It's very chatty. I can track
down the publication data if you like. Drop me a note. -- j.


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Praetoral Petition: CITIZEN APPLICANT TO GENS FABRICIUS
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:47:46 +0000

P. Cornelia Strabo Senatus Populesque Nova Roma

SUBJECT: Citizen pending Gens/Familia FABRICIUS

I hereby, in accordance with Established Praetoral Edictum, instruct the
Paterfamilias et Materfamilias of Gens Fabricius, Iunia Fabricia Batavia et
Lucius Fabricius Frigidaris to contact me with respect to a citizen
applicant to your gens, since May of this year.

Said citizen-in-waiting claims to have applied last year, 2744 to the
Censors to align with your gens as well.

Please contact me with your response within 30 days from today,
specifically, October 5, 1430 hours EST. Failure to hear from you will
result in my acting IN LOCO PARENTIS for the citizen applicant, Quintus
Fabricius, and he will be given full citizenship, BARRING ANY OTHER
OUTSTANDING REASON the Censors of Nova Roma may have for not granting him
citizenship.

My contact information is as follows:

Scriba_forum@hotmail.com

Trog99@hotmail.com

Pompeia_Cornelia@yahoo.ca

87 Fields Square
Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario Canada P6B 6H2

Dated September 5, 2755 AUC, in the Consulship of Marcus Octavius Germanicus
et Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix II

Should the Censors wish to confer with me, I am at their disposal with
respect to any questions or concerns they may have.

Without Prejudice

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Petition: CITIZEN APPLICANT TO GENS FABRICIUS
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:35:52 -0400

Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Quirites SPD

In accordance with The Constitution Novae Romae
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html

"I. Constitutional Basis B. Legal precedence. This Constitution shall be
the highest legal authority within Nova Roma,..."

"II. Citizens and Gentes D. Gentes. 3. ... The paterfamilias may, at his or
her discretion, expel members of their gens, or accept new members into
it."

Pater or Materfamiliae are under no obligation, Legal or otherwise, to
approve, or even respond to, applications. *Of course this is not what
should happen!*

Additionally, Praetores are not given authority to enroll citizens
'in place of parents' ("IN LOCO PARENTIS"), or otherwise.

This brings my colleague and me no joy; however, the Constitution and the
laws do not give Praetores authority "To maintain the album civium (list of
citizens), including the tribe and century to which they are assigned as
described by law, and other appropriate information regarding them;" (IV
Magistrates. A.1.b.)

We have had instances where actions were taken only to be challenged by
"returning" Paterfamilia.
In one instance the person objecting had actually posted the request but had
not properly documented the change. After I requested corroborating
testimony and was provided it, things were rectified.

The edict was an attempted stop-gap measure to correct a problem that needs
to be addressed by a Constitutional amendment. In the future I recommend to
all magistrates, present and future, who consider issuing edicta that
interfere with the duties of the Censores to contact the Censores before
they act.

Also, Let it be known that the Censores did confer with Praetrix Strabo on
the matter of the edict, but she has decided to defy our advice and
decision.

The following notice is vacated as unconstitutional.

> P. Cornelia Strabo Senatus Populesque Nova Roma
>
> SUBJECT: Citizen pending Gens/Familia FABRICIUS
>
> I hereby, in accordance with Established Praetoral Edictum, instruct the
> Paterfamilias et Materfamilias of Gens Fabricius, Iunia Fabricia Batavia
et
> Lucius Fabricius Frigidaris to contact me with respect to a citizen
> applicant to your gens, since May of this year.
>
> Said citizen-in-waiting claims to have applied last year, 2744 to the
> Censors to align with your gens as well.
>
> Please contact me with your response within 30 days from today,
> specifically, October 5, 1430 hours EST. Failure to hear from you will
> result in my acting IN LOCO PARENTIS for the citizen applicant, Quintus
> Fabricius, and he will be given full citizenship, BARRING ANY OTHER
> OUTSTANDING REASON the Censors of Nova Roma may have for not granting him
> citizenship.
>
> My contact information is as follows:
>
> Scriba_forum@hotmail.com
>
> Trog99@hotmail.com
>
> Pompeia_Cornelia@yahoo.ca
>
> 87 Fields Square
> Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario Canada P6B 6H2
>
> Dated September 5, 2755 AUC, in the Consulship of Marcus Octavius
Germanicus
> et Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix II
>
> Should the Censors wish to confer with me, I am at their disposal with
> respect to any questions or concerns they may have.
>
> Without Prejudice


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Petition: CITIZEN APPLICANT TO GENS FABRICIUS
From:	Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:46:18 -0700 (PDT)

The Geminia would accept the citizen in waiting
Lucius Equitius wrote:Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Quirites SPD

In accordance with The Constitution Novae Romae
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html

"I. Constitutional Basis B. Legal precedence. This Constitution shall be
the highest legal authority within Nova Roma,..."

"II. Citizens and Gentes D. Gentes. 3. ... The paterfamilias may, at his or
her discretion, expel members of their gens, or accept new members into
it."

Pater or Materfamiliae are under no obligation, Legal or otherwise, to
approve, or even respond to, applications. *Of course this is not what
should happen!*

Additionally, Praetores are not given authority to enroll citizens
'in place of parents' ("IN LOCO PARENTIS"), or otherwise.

This brings my colleague and me no joy; however, the Constitution and the
laws do not give Praetores authority "To maintain the album civium (list of
citizens), including the tribe and century to which they are assigned as
described by law, and other appropriate information regarding them;" (IV
Magistrates. A.1.b.)

We have had instances where actions were taken only to be challenged by
"returning" Paterfamilia.
In one instance the person objecting had actually posted the request but had
not properly documented the change. After I requested corroborating
testimony and was provided it, things were rectified.

The edict was an attempted stop-gap measure to correct a problem that needs
to be addressed by a Constitutional amendment. In the future I recommend to
all magistrates, present and future, who consider issuing edicta that
interfere with the duties of the Censores to contact the Censores before
they act.

Also, Let it be known that the Censores did confer with Praetrix Strabo on
the matter of the edict, but she has decided to defy our advice and
decision.

The following notice is vacated as unconstitutional.

> P. Cornelia Strabo Senatus Populesque Nova Roma
>
> SUBJECT: Citizen pending Gens/Familia FABRICIUS
>
> I hereby, in accordance with Established Praetoral Edictum, instruct the
> Paterfamilias et Materfamilias of Gens Fabricius, Iunia Fabricia Batavia
et
> Lucius Fabricius Frigidaris to contact me with respect to a citizen
> applicant to your gens, since May of this year.
>
> Said citizen-in-waiting claims to have applied last year, 2744 to the
> Censors to align with your gens as well.
>
> Please contact me with your response within 30 days from today,
> specifically, October 5, 1430 hours EST. Failure to hear from you will
> result in my acting IN LOCO PARENTIS for the citizen applicant, Quintus
> Fabricius, and he will be given full citizenship, BARRING ANY OTHER
> OUTSTANDING REASON the Censors of Nova Roma may have for not granting him
> citizenship.
>
> My contact information is as follows:
>
> Scriba_forum@hotmail.com
>
> Trog99@hotmail.com
>
> Pompeia_Cornelia@yahoo.ca
>
> 87 Fields Square
> Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario Canada P6B 6H2
>
> Dated September 5, 2755 AUC, in the Consulship of Marcus Octavius
Germanicus
> et Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix II
>
> Should the Censors wish to confer with me, I am at their disposal with
> respect to any questions or concerns they may have.
>
> Without Prejudice


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Petition: CITIZEN APPLICANT TO GENS FABRICIUS
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:03:46 -0000

---Salve Lucius Equitius Censor:

To begin with, the first phrase of our constitution reads that the
constitution is the highest ruling of the republic, with nobody being
above it.

And you are indeed correct in that maters/paters have rights and
responsibilities as you have outlined below, according to the
constitution.

However, please read the articles under citizenship and gentes, which
states that those 18 years or older, plus properly applicated
impuberres, are entitled to citizenship 'Citizenship is open to ...

When Paters/materfamilias fail to answer the call of duty, they are
infact denying qualified persons reasonably timed entry into Nova
Roma, which is given them in the constitution, barring any virtuous
or lawful objections by the Censors.

I do not see dormant Maters/Patersfamilias as having rights above the
constitution, the highest ruling law of the land.

You do not have a veto on this, Lucius Equitius, with due respect.
The document was examined by my Praetoral Colleague, and the Tribunes
have not vetoed it.

I believe I am acting within the spirit and letter of the
constitution.

Patriapotestas is a responsibility, and one that must be acted on,
one way or the other, not ignored at the expense of the benefit of
the republic and in opposition to constitutional ideals.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Praetor

In Nova-Roma@y..., "Lucius Equitius" <vergil@s...> wrote:
> Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Quirites SPD
>
> In accordance with The Constitution Novae Romae
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html
>
> "I. Constitutional Basis B. Legal precedence. This Constitution
shall be
> the highest legal authority within Nova Roma,..."
>
> "II. Citizens and Gentes D. Gentes. 3. ... The paterfamilias may,
at his or
> her discretion, expel members of their gens, or accept new members
into
> it."
>
> Pater or Materfamiliae are under no obligation, Legal or otherwise,
to
> approve, or even respond to, applications. *Of course this is not
what
> should happen!*
>
> Additionally, Praetores are not given authority to enroll citizens
> 'in place of parents' ("IN LOCO PARENTIS"), or otherwise.
>
> This brings my colleague and me no joy; however, the Constitution
and the
> laws do not give Praetores authority "To maintain the album civium
(list of
> citizens), including the tribe and century to which they are
assigned as
> described by law, and other appropriate information regarding
them;" (IV
> Magistrates. A.1.b.)
>
> We have had instances where actions were taken only to be
challenged by
> "returning" Paterfamilia.
> In one instance the person objecting had actually posted the
request but had
> not properly documented the change. After I requested corroborating
> testimony and was provided it, things were rectified.
>
> The edict was an attempted stop-gap measure to correct a problem
that needs
> to be addressed by a Constitutional amendment. In the future I
recommend to
> all magistrates, present and future, who consider issuing edicta
that
> interfere with the duties of the Censores to contact the Censores
before
> they act.
>
> Also, Let it be known that the Censores did confer with Praetrix
Strabo on
> the matter of the edict, but she has decided to defy our advice and
> decision.
>
> The following notice is vacated as unconstitutional.
>
>
> > P. Cornelia Strabo Senatus Populesque Nova Roma
> >
> > SUBJECT: Citizen pending Gens/Familia FABRICIUS
> >
> > I hereby, in accordance with Established Praetoral Edictum,
instruct the
> > Paterfamilias et Materfamilias of Gens Fabricius, Iunia Fabricia
Batavia
> et
> > Lucius Fabricius Frigidaris to contact me with respect to a
citizen
> > applicant to your gens, since May of this year.
> >
> > Said citizen-in-waiting claims to have applied last year, 2744 to
the
> > Censors to align with your gens as well.
> >
> > Please contact me with your response within 30 days from today,
> > specifically, October 5, 1430 hours EST. Failure to hear from
you will
> > result in my acting IN LOCO PARENTIS for the citizen applicant,
Quintus
> > Fabricius, and he will be given full citizenship, BARRING ANY
OTHER
> > OUTSTANDING REASON the Censors of Nova Roma may have for not
granting him
> > citizenship.
> >
> > My contact information is as follows:
> >
> > Scriba_forum@h...
> >
> > Trog99@h...
> >
> > Pompeia_Cornelia@y...
> >
> > 87 Fields Square
> > Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario Canada P6B 6H2
> >
> > Dated September 5, 2755 AUC, in the Consulship of Marcus Octavius
> Germanicus
> > et Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix II
> >
> > Should the Censors wish to confer with me, I am at their disposal
with
> > respect to any questions or concerns they may have.
> >
> > Without Prejudice


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Petition: CITIZEN APPLICANT TO GENS FABRICIUS
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:03:49 -0000


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:00:56 +0100 (BST)

-----Original Message-----
>From : “L. Sicinius Drusus“ <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date : 05 September 2002 02:49:36
>>
>The Roman “Sanatation“ consisted of dumping raw sewage
>from the public and private latrines into the Tiber
>fouling it's waters, or of tossing the contents of
>chamber pots into the streets. As far as living
>without electricity, that is attempting some kind of
>24 hour a day Role Playing Game instead of reviving
>Roman Culture.
>
Caius Tarquitius in fact considered that Romans would have used modern materials before somewhat paradoxically dismissing their use. you are quite right of course: Romans were clean, not hygienic; knowing nothing of bacteriology they could do only the obvious and in any case, raw sewage is not a problem in small quantities with natural recycling: where would we have been without the good old farmyard muckheap?
I am quite certain that they would apply modern knowledge perhaps better than some modern Latins with centuries of post-Roman semi-civilisation behind them. I also suspect that they would tend a lot more to the 'vulgar' than our rather prim neo-Classical and Victorian ages would care to admit. We hear quite a lot denouncing 'the degeneracy of modern times': either we have only the proto-Puritans it suited the Church to recopy or life was less austere than a certain type of sniffy aristocrat cares for and regularly blames on 'degeneracy' and 'foreign influences'. I believe the latter - for Rome and Greeks read Britiain and French, America and Europeans.
Vinius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

--
Personalised email by http://another.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] For Voting of Senator
From:	"Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
Date:	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:30:10 +0200

Was ist eigentlich Cursus
Honorum, und wie kann ich
diesen Cursus Honorum machen, oder Anmelden.
Warum bin ich nicht Prominent, meine Familie muss auf dem höchsten Grad
geehrt werden. Ich bin echt,
seit ihr echt. Meine Familie
Fabiano,Fabia, Fabius, Fabier,
Fabii, fabianus, USW. Waren
hohe Tiere in Rom. Senatoren, Diktatoren 2X,
Feldherren Gewinner über
Samniter und Etrusker und
Gallier, Anwärter zum Kaiser
2x, Graf, Duce wie der Titel von Musollini, Papst der Röm.
Katholischen Kirche, Heiliger, Märtyrer Retteten Rom vor dem Untergang.
Ritter Fabius Erbauer von den
Mauer Roms, Freund von Romulus, Verwande des Ercole Prinz von der Toscana,
dieser war direkt verwand mit Ercole der Erbauer von
Ercolanum bei Napoli Italien,
nähe des Vesuvio Vulkan.
Konsul von Sardinien im Röm.
Reich, Statthalter, Ein verwanter Tribun als Christ,
wurde Märtyrer wegen seines
glaubens. USW. Wollen sie ein
echter Römer in Action sehen, und Mafiosi, dann werden sie sehen wie Brutal
und Machtgierig und Grausam, Römer blut sein kann. Liebevoll bis der Nuggi
herausplatzt, und ich schütze
Ehre und Kultur meiner Vorfahren. Der Wächter der
immer Wacht, das die Kultur und Ehre aufrecht bleibt. Zudem ein Röm.Katholischer
Christ.Das Zeichen SPQR benütze ich schon als ich kleiner Junge war, als Junge
war ich auch Ausgrabungen
machen ganz alleine, mein Volk führte mich, zu den Schönsten Funde. In einem
Archeologischen Buch wurde
ich Luigi Fabiano Verewigt.
Als Erfinder kam ich in vielen
Zeitungen und Fernsehe. Man
muss nicht nur guter Römer
sein, sondern im Leben ein
guter Christ, und etwas gutes
auf die Beine Stellen. In vielen Dinge muss auch Gott,
mit Dir sein. Sonst wird niemand das sein, wo er Heute ist.Alt Römische
Patrizier Familie mit viel
Macht und Geld und Ländereien.

Salve IMP. Romanum. Nobili.
SPQR.

Patrizio Romano con tutti i
Titoli ti Patrizio Romano. Tutti Onori dell Imperio Romano e il Senato Romano.

Quintus Fabius Rullianus.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Loos
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] For Voting of Senator

Em Qua, 2002-09-04 às 15:41, internetomat68 escreveu:
> Salve popolum Romanum Nova-Roma
>
> Wie kann man sich zum Senator, wählen lassen. Wie muss man da
> vorgehen,leider verstehe ich zu wenig Englisch.Wenn jemand weiss
> wie die Prozedur geht, wäre ich froh. Wenn es mir leider auf Deutsch
> schreiben könnte. Vielen Dank für das Verständnis, an die Mitglieder
> des Nova-Roma.

Sowie im antiken Rom, wird man nicht sum Senator gewählt. Die Censoren
nominieren Senatoren aus den meist proeminenten Politikers.

Best is den "Cursus Honorum" aufstiegen Vom Aedilis bis zum Konsul, eine
Posizion jedes Jahr und in 4 zu 5 Jahre werden Sie ein Senator.

Vale

Manius Villius Limitanus
Tribunus Plebis


Subject:	Fw: [Nova-Roma] For Voting of Senator
From:	"Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
Date:	Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:04:29 +0200

----- Original Message -----
From: Fabiano Luigi
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] For Voting of Senator

Was ist eigentlich Cursus
Honorum, und wie kann ich
diesen Cursus Honorum machen, oder Anmelden.
Warum bin ich nicht Prominent, meine Familie muss auf dem höchsten Grad
geehrt werden. Ich bin echt,
seit ihr echt. Meine Familie
Fabiano,Fabia, Fabius, Fabier,
Fabii, fabianus, USW. Waren
hohe Tiere in Rom. Senatoren, Diktatoren 2X,
Feldherren Gewinner über
Samniter und Etrusker und
Gallier, Anwärter zum Kaiser
2x, Graf, Duce wie der Titel von Musollini, Papst der Röm.
Katholischen Kirche, Heiliger, Märtyrer Retteten Rom vor dem Untergang.
Ritter Fabius Erbauer von den
Mauer Roms, Freund von Romulus, Verwande des Ercole Prinz von der Toscana,
dieser war direkt verwand mit Ercole der Erbauer von
Ercolanum bei Napoli Italien,
nähe des Vesuvio Vulkan.
Konsul von Sardinien im Röm.
Reich, Statthalter, Ein verwanter Tribun als Christ,
wurde Märtyrer wegen seines
glaubens. USW. Wollen sie ein
echter Römer in Action sehen, und Mafiosi, dann werden sie sehen wie Brutal
und Machtgierig und Grausam, Römer blut sein kann. Liebevoll bis der Nuggi
herausplatzt, und ich schütze
Ehre und Kultur meiner Vorfahren. Der Wächter der
immer Wacht, das die Kultur und Ehre aufrecht bleibt. Zudem ein Röm.Katholischer
Christ.Das Zeichen SPQR benütze ich schon als ich kleiner Junge war, als Junge
war ich auch Ausgrabungen
machen ganz alleine, mein Volk führte mich, zu den Schönsten Funde. In einem
Archeologischen Buch wurde
ich Luigi Fabiano Verewigt.
Als Erfinder kam ich in vielen
Zeitungen und Fernsehe. Man
muss nicht nur guter Römer
sein, sondern im Leben ein
guter Christ, und etwas gutes
auf die Beine Stellen. In vielen Dinge muss auch Gott,
mit Dir sein. Sonst wird niemand das sein, wo er Heute ist.Alt Römische
Patrizier Familie mit viel
Macht und Geld und Ländereien.

Salve IMP. Romanum. Nobili.
SPQR.

Patrizio Romano con tutti i
Titoli ti Patrizio Romano. Tutti Onori dell Imperio Romano e il Senato Romano.

Quintus Fabius Rullianus.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Loos
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] For Voting of Senator

Em Qua, 2002-09-04 às 15:41, internetomat68 escreveu:
> Salve popolum Romanum Nova-Roma
>
> Wie kann man sich zum Senator, wählen lassen. Wie muss man da
> vorgehen,leider verstehe ich zu wenig Englisch.Wenn jemand weiss
> wie die Prozedur geht, wäre ich froh. Wenn es mir leider auf Deutsch
> schreiben könnte. Vielen Dank für das Verständnis, an die Mitglieder
> des Nova-Roma.

Sowie im antiken Rom, wird man nicht sum Senator gewählt. Die Censoren
nominieren Senatoren aus den meist proeminenten Politikers.

Best is den "Cursus Honorum" aufstiegen Vom Aedilis bis zum Konsul, eine
Posizion jedes Jahr und in 4 zu 5 Jahre werden Sie ein Senator.

Vale

Manius Villius Limitanus
Tribunus Plebis