| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Petition: CITIZEN APPLICANT TO GENS FABRICIUS |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:56:57 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salve,
Excuse me Censor while you are quoting the Nova Roma
Constitution, would you mind pointing out the section
that gives a Censor the authority to pronounce a Veto
over an Edict by another magistrate, because that is
in effect what your post does.
Besides the nonexistant section giving the Censors
"authority" to Veto edicts there is a section of II D
3 that you failed to quote. In it's entirity it reads
"Each gens shall, through whatever means it may
determine appropriate, have a paterfamilias (fem.
materfamilias) who shall act as the leader of the gens
and speak for it when necessary. THE HOLDER OF THIS
POSTION MUST BE REGESTERED AS SUCH WITH THE CENSORS.
The paterfamilias may, at his or her discretion, expel
members of their gens, or accept new members into it.
So the Censors allready have the Constionual Authority
to use the regestration process to remove inactive
Paters from thier postion, and if they weren't remiss
in using that authority to remove the dead wood there
wouldn't have been a need for the Praetors Edict.
--- Lucius Equitius <vergil@starpower.net> wrote:
> Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Quirites SPD
>
> In accordance with The Constitution Novae Romae
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html
>
> "I. Constitutional Basis B. Legal precedence. This
> Constitution shall be
> the highest legal authority within Nova Roma,..."
>
> "II. Citizens and Gentes D. Gentes. 3. ... The
> paterfamilias may, at his or
> her discretion, expel members of their gens, or
> accept new members into
> it."
>
> Pater or Materfamiliae are under no obligation,
> Legal or otherwise, to
> approve, or even respond to, applications. *Of
> course this is not what
> should happen!*
>
> Additionally, Praetores are not given authority to
> enroll citizens
> 'in place of parents' ("IN LOCO PARENTIS"), or
> otherwise.
>
> This brings my colleague and me no joy; however, the
> Constitution and the
> laws do not give Praetores authority "To maintain
> the album civium (list of
> citizens), including the tribe and century to which
> they are assigned as
> described by law, and other appropriate information
> regarding them;" (IV
> Magistrates. A.1.b.)
>
> We have had instances where actions were taken only
> to be challenged by
> "returning" Paterfamilia.
> In one instance the person objecting had actually
> posted the request but had
> not properly documented the change. After I
> requested corroborating
> testimony and was provided it, things were
> rectified.
>
> The edict was an attempted stop-gap measure to
> correct a problem that needs
> to be addressed by a Constitutional amendment. In
> the future I recommend to
> all magistrates, present and future, who consider
> issuing edicta that
> interfere with the duties of the Censores to contact
> the Censores before
> they act.
>
> Also, Let it be known that the Censores did confer
> with Praetrix Strabo on
> the matter of the edict, but she has decided to defy
> our advice and
> decision.
>
> The following notice is vacated as unconstitutional.
>
>
> > P. Cornelia Strabo Senatus Populesque Nova Roma
> >
> > SUBJECT: Citizen pending Gens/Familia FABRICIUS
> >
> > I hereby, in accordance with Established Praetoral
> Edictum, instruct the
> > Paterfamilias et Materfamilias of Gens Fabricius,
> Iunia Fabricia Batavia
> et
> > Lucius Fabricius Frigidaris to contact me with
> respect to a citizen
> > applicant to your gens, since May of this year.
> >
> > Said citizen-in-waiting claims to have applied
> last year, 2744 to the
> > Censors to align with your gens as well.
> >
> > Please contact me with your response within 30
> days from today,
> > specifically, October 5, 1430 hours EST. Failure
> to hear from you will
> > result in my acting IN LOCO PARENTIS for the
> citizen applicant, Quintus
> > Fabricius, and he will be given full citizenship,
> BARRING ANY OTHER
> > OUTSTANDING REASON the Censors of Nova Roma may
> have for not granting him
> > citizenship.
> >
> > My contact information is as follows:
> >
> > Scriba_forum@hotmail.com
> >
> > Trog99@hotmail.com
> >
> > Pompeia_Cornelia@yahoo.ca
> >
> > 87 Fields Square
> > Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario Canada P6B 6H2
> >
> > Dated September 5, 2755 AUC, in the Consulship of
> Marcus Octavius
> Germanicus
> > et Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix II
> >
> > Should the Censors wish to confer with me, I am at
> their disposal with
> > respect to any questions or concerns they may
> have.
> >
> > Without Prejudice
>
>
>
>
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Petition: CITIZEN APPLICANT TO GENS FABRICIUS |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:08:30 -0400 |
|
Salvete, Quiritibus
L. Sicinius:
Excuse me Censor while you are quoting the Nova Roma
Constitution, would you mind pointing out the section
that gives a Censor the authority to pronounce a Veto
over an Edict by another magistrate, because that is
in effect what your post does.
Censor Lucius Equitius: I never said 'veto', that's your take. I do wish people would refrain from misrepresenting what has been posted. I pointed out that the Praetrix has no authority in the process.
L. Sicinius:
Besides the nonexistant section giving the Censors
"authority" to Veto edicts
Censor Lucius Equitius: Again, I didn't 'veto' anything. What I did do is point out that Praetores have no place in the process and the Censores are under no obligation to adhere to her ruling. Neither is a Paterfamilias obligated to have someone enrolled into their gens that they have not accepted.
L. Sicinius:
there is a section of II D
3 that you failed to quote. In it's entirity it reads
"Each gens shall, through whatever means it may
determine appropriate, have a paterfamilias (fem.
materfamilias) who shall act as the leader of the gens
and speak for it when necessary. THE HOLDER OF THIS
POSTION MUST BE REGESTERED AS SUCH WITH THE CENSORS.
The paterfamilias may, at his or her discretion, expel
members of their gens, or accept new members into it.
So the Censors allready have the Constionual Authority
to use the regestration process to remove inactive
Paters from thier postion, and if they weren't remiss
in using that authority to remove the dead wood there
wouldn't have been a need for the Praetors Edict.
Censor Lucius Equitius: Your so called 'dead wood' are citizens too, who are Patres et Matres. They are sovereign within their Gens. They are registered when they take up their position and we would need a constitutional amendment to remove any of them. Unless they themselves
resign, or turn over the position to another, which has been done. Or are you and the Praetrix on a witch hunt? We recently had a Pater return to activity after having been 'gone' for almost four years! Ave, Ambrosius Silvanus Virbius!
Valete, Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Petition: CITIZEN APPLICANT TO GENS |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:09:12 -0400 |
|
Salvete omnibus,
Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
To begin with, the first phrase of our constitution reads that the
constitution is the highest ruling of the republic, with nobody being
above it.
Censor Lucius Equitius: I posted the link so everyone could read what the Constitution says, Not my 'spin', Or *Your Spin*
Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
And you are indeed correct in that maters/paters have rights and
responsibilities as you have outlined below, according to the
constitution.
Censor Lucius Equitius: The clause does *not* include either term "Rights" OR "Responsibilities", those are your thoughts. It merely states that they MAY add new members at their discretion.
Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
However, please read the articles under citizenship and gentes, which
states that those 18 years or older, plus properly applicated
impuberres, are entitled to citizenship 'Citizenship is open to ...
Censor Lucius Equitius: Nowhere is it stated that anyone is *entitled* to citizenship. It says "Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation.", Not that anyone is 'entitled' to citizenship. We have other criteria in the citizenship application process as some Gens or Paterfamilias have to join their gens.
Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
When Paters/materfamilias fail to answer the call of duty,
Censor Lucius Equitius: Again, you do not quote the Constitution but rather resort to your own opinions.
There is nothing in the Constitution at says Pater/Mater have any "duty", or "responsibilities" for that matter. Let's not resort to bubble gum and bailing wire, let's correct the error at it's source, the constitution.
Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
they are infact denying qualified persons reasonably timed entry into Nova
Roma, which is given them in the constitution, barring any virtuous
or lawful objections by the Censors.
Censor Lucius Equitius: Applicants are free, at any time, to contact alternate gens and we have approved many new citizens this way, some have even founded new gens.
Until we change the constitution Patres et Matres are the final authority on who may or may not enter *Their gens*! Also, as I have already stated, Paterfamilias are under no obligation to respond to an application. Introduce a law if you want.
Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
I do not see dormant Maters/Patersfamilias as having rights above the
constitution, the highest ruling law of the land.
Censor Lucius Equitius: No one said they did. You may see inconsistencies, but the fact is that Maters/Patersfamilias do have authority over their gens<period> If you do not like that then introduce/propose a constitutional amendment.
Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
You do not have a veto on this, Lucius Equitius, with due respect.
The document was examined by my Praetoral Colleague, and the Tribunes
have not vetoed it.
Censor Lucius Equitius: With all due respect, the Censores are the highest ranking magistrates and thus are under no obligation to obey your edict as it pertains to our duties. I have shown where your edict is contrary to the Constitution as it pertains to Paterfamilias as well.
Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
I believe I am acting within the spirit and letter of the
constitution.
Censor Lucius Equitius: I have shown where you are in error.
Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
Patriapotestas is a responsibility, and one that must be acted on,
one way or the other, not ignored at the expense of the benefit of
the republic and in opposition to constitutional ideals.
Censor Lucius Equitius: "Patriapotestas is a responsibility.", this is opinion, not law.
You are trying to make policy based on your opinion. My colleague and I asked you privately to lay it aside, but you want to make a public spectacle. You have no authority in the citizen process, and if you did the Censores are superior in authority. We censores have worked within the constrains of the Constitution and laws. As a Paterfamilias I will fight any attempt to force Gens Equitia to accept someone we do not approve, and I know that there are others that have agreed to this principle.
I have nothing more to add and will argue no further.
Valete, Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Petition: CITIZEN APPLICANT TO GENS |
| From: |
"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 06 Sep 2002 02:43:20 -0000 |
|
--- Salve Censor Equitius:
No, I am not making policy on personal opinion...just my
interpretation of the consitution; if you were so vehmently against
said interpretation, you should have perhaps contacted a magistrate
who could have turned your 'grave concerns' into a veto.
But the 72 hours have passed, and the time for citizens to be
admitted, despite the pater/materfamilias willingness to do their job
and act appropriately for the Nomen they hold in chains is long past
as well.
Your position as Censor has been well accommodated by me in that any
outstanding objections other than a dormant gens head may serve as an
obstruction to a potential citizen gaining status in Nova Roma.
So, unless you can furnish same with prespect to any of my claims
with respect to the edictum, you are in contempt of the law, and I
shall hold you as such....no arguments, no ifs ands or buts.
I cannot believe that you are fighting so harshly against an
injustice done to good people who would make our republic flourish by
their citizenship.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Praetor
In Nova-Roma@y..., "Lucius Equitius" <vergil@s...> wrote:
> Salvete omnibus,
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
> To begin with, the first phrase of our constitution reads that the
> constitution is the highest ruling of the republic, with nobody
being
> above it.
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: I posted the link so everyone could read
what the Constitution says, Not my 'spin', Or *Your Spin*
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
> And you are indeed correct in that maters/paters have rights and
> responsibilities as you have outlined below, according to the
> constitution.
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: The clause does *not* include either
term "Rights" OR "Responsibilities", those are your thoughts. It
merely states that they MAY add new members at their discretion.
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
> However, please read the articles under citizenship and gentes,
which
> states that those 18 years or older, plus properly applicated
> impuberres, are entitled to citizenship 'Citizenship is open to ...
>
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: Nowhere is it stated that anyone is
*entitled* to citizenship. It says "Citizenship is open to anyone
regardless of ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or
sexual orientation.", Not that anyone is 'entitled' to citizenship.
We have other criteria in the citizenship application process as some
Gens or Paterfamilias have to join their gens.
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
> When Paters/materfamilias fail to answer the call of duty,
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: Again, you do not quote the Constitution
but rather resort to your own opinions.
> There is nothing in the Constitution at says Pater/Mater have
any "duty", or "responsibilities" for that matter. Let's not resort
to bubble gum and bailing wire, let's correct the error at it's
source, the constitution.
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
> they are infact denying qualified persons reasonably timed entry
into Nova
> Roma, which is given them in the constitution, barring any virtuous
> or lawful objections by the Censors.
>
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: Applicants are free, at any time, to
contact alternate gens and we have approved many new citizens this
way, some have even founded new gens.
> Until we change the constitution Patres et Matres are the final
authority on who may or may not enter *Their gens*! Also, as I have
already stated, Paterfamilias are under no obligation to respond to
an application. Introduce a law if you want.
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
> I do not see dormant Maters/Patersfamilias as having rights above
the
> constitution, the highest ruling law of the land.
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: No one said they did. You may see
inconsistencies, but the fact is that Maters/Patersfamilias do have
authority over their gens<period> If you do not like that then
introduce/propose a constitutional amendment.
>
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
> You do not have a veto on this, Lucius Equitius, with due respect.
> The document was examined by my Praetoral Colleague, and the
Tribunes
> have not vetoed it.
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: With all due respect, the Censores are the
highest ranking magistrates and thus are under no obligation to obey
your edict as it pertains to our duties. I have shown where your
edict is contrary to the Constitution as it pertains to Paterfamilias
as well.
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
> I believe I am acting within the spirit and letter of the
> constitution.
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: I have shown where you are in error.
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Praetrix Dixit:
> Patriapotestas is a responsibility, and one that must be acted on,
> one way or the other, not ignored at the expense of the benefit of
> the republic and in opposition to constitutional ideals.
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: "Patriapotestas is a responsibility.", this
is opinion, not law.
> You are trying to make policy based on your opinion. My colleague
and I asked you privately to lay it aside, but you want to make a
public spectacle. You have no authority in the citizen process, and
if you did the Censores are superior in authority. We censores have
worked within the constrains of the Constitution and laws. As a
Paterfamilias I will fight any attempt to force Gens Equitia to
accept someone we do not approve, and I know that there are others
that have agreed to this principle.
>
> I have nothing more to add and will argue no further.
>
> Valete, Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Praetoral Petition: CITIZEN APPLICANT TO GENS FABRICIUS |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:49:54 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- Lucius Equitius <vergil@starpower.net> wrote:
> Salvete, Quiritibus
>
> L. Sicinius:
> Excuse me Censor while you are quoting the Nova Roma
> Constitution, would you mind pointing out the
> section
> that gives a Censor the authority to pronounce a
> Veto
> over an Edict by another magistrate, because that is
> in effect what your post does.
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: I never said 'veto', that's
> your take. I do wish people would refrain from
> misrepresenting what has been posted. I pointed out
> that the Praetrix has no authority in the process.
L. Sicinius:
You did more than that. You posted "The following
notice is vacated as unconstitutional." You did not
make a statement that you considered the Praetor to be
in Error, you made a proactive statement that that the
notice was "vacated" meaning not in effect. The end
result of saying "vacated" or "Vetoed" is the same, a
declaration that the edict has no legal standing.
>
> L. Sicinius:
> Besides the nonexistant section giving the Censors
> "authority" to Veto edicts
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: Again, I didn't 'veto'
> anything. What I did do is point out that Praetores
> have no place in the process and the Censores are
> under no obligation to adhere to her ruling. Neither
> is a Paterfamilias obligated to have someone
> enrolled into their gens that they have not
> accepted.
>
> L. Sicinius:
> there is a section of II D
> 3 that you failed to quote. In it's entirity it
> reads
>
> "Each gens shall, through whatever means it may
> determine appropriate, have a paterfamilias (fem.
> materfamilias) who shall act as the leader of the
> gens
> and speak for it when necessary. THE HOLDER OF THIS
> POSTION MUST BE REGESTERED AS SUCH WITH THE CENSORS.
> The paterfamilias may, at his or her discretion,
> expel
> members of their gens, or accept new members into
> it.
>
> So the Censors allready have the Constionual
> Authority
> to use the regestration process to remove inactive
> Paters from thier postion, and if they weren't
> remiss
> in using that authority to remove the dead wood
> there
> wouldn't have been a need for the Praetors Edict.
>
> Censor Lucius Equitius: Your so called 'dead wood'
> are citizens too, who are Patres et Matres. They are
> sovereign within their Gens. They are registered
> when they take up their position and we would need a
> constitutional amendment to remove any of them.
> Unless they themselves
> resign, or turn over the position to another, which
> has been done. Or are you and the Praetrix on a
> witch hunt? We recently had a Pater return to
> activity after having been 'gone' for almost four
> years! Ave, Ambrosius Silvanus Virbius!
>
> Valete, Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
>
The Constitution places no restrictions on your
ability to set the terms of regestration, other than
general clauses forbidding things like discrimination.
The only reason we have had this ongoing problem with
inactive Paters is the refusal of the Censors to set
up and enforce a regestration process.
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project |
| From: |
jo mama <minervalis02@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:53:58 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- caiustarquitius@gmx.de wrote:
> Salvete!
> I would not have any need for electricity. The roman
> sanitarian standards
> were very high, one would actually only have to
> choose the "cleanliest"
> examples. About the steel and so on: If the romans
> would have had plastic, they
> would have used it then aswell, styropor instead of
> stucco, enamel paint, aso.
> That is not what I think a Nova Roma place should
> be. Anyone who wants THAT
> stuff can go to Ceasar's Palace for a couple of
> days. Anyway, there are firms in
> europe reconstructing roof tiles, building tiles,
> one can have tile-columns
> rather than ones in marble and so on. You just have
> to do a lot of research.
> For the people wishing electricity and modern
> sanitarian devices I would
> rather build an extra barn like on campingsites.
> Valete! Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
>
> Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
>
A fundamental and distinct characteristic of all
classical building and art is the primacy of natural
and unambiguous materials. Cheaper and 'artificial'
materials will be used on the insides to save precious
material on the outside. Fake stuff on the outside is
the sure way for something grand to be merely ugly.
The beautiful is the natural(not necessarily
wabi-sabi!). If you want to see what twentieth century
neoclassical architecture can look like check out the
master Adolph Loos. Albert speer is also good too. and
Otto wagner has merit too. Frank Loyd Wright is more a
friend of Vitruvius than 99% of nineteenth century
classicism.
Minervalis.
What....Is Adolph Loos too modern for you?
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] For Voting of Senator (Translation into English) |
| From: |
tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:58:59 +0200 |
|
Salvete omnes,
As the official translator for the German language, it is my duty to translate
the following text, which was posted on the mainlist, into English:
What exactely is the Cursus Honorum and how can I participate in it or enroll
for it? Why am I not prominent? My family must be honored by the highest
means. I am a real Roman! Are you real Romans?
My family Fabiano, Fabia, Fabius, Fabier, Fabii, Fabianus, etc. were very
high ranking in Rome. Senators, Dictators (twice), imperators and victor
over the Samnites and Etruscians and the Gauls, aspirants to the title of
emperor (twice), 'duce' which is the same title as Mussollini had, pope
of the holy roman catholic church, saint, martyr and saviour of Rome. The
equestrian Fabius built the walls of Rome, was a friend of Romulus, belonged
to the family of Ercole, prince of Toscana, who was related to the founder
of the city Ercolanum near Napels in Italy, near the vulcano Vesuvius. Consul
of Sardinia in the roman imperium, propraetor, a related tribune who was
a christian became a maryr because of his believe, etc.
Do you want to see a real Roman and Mafiosi in action, then you will see
how brutal, cruel and power hungry, the Roman blood can be. Full of love
until the cork pops out of the bottle and I will guard the honor and culture
of my family. I am the guardian who is always awake to hold upright the
culture and honor.
Furthermore I am a roman catholic christian. I used the sign 'SPQR' allready
as a small boy, when I went digging all alone and with the guidance of my
people made sensational and beautiful archeological finds. Because of this,
I, Luigi Fabiano was put in an archeological book for ever.
As an inventor I appeared in many newspapers and on TV. One does not only
have to be a good Roman, but also a good Christian in life and one has to
do good things. In many instances, God has to be with you. Otherwise nobody
would be, where he is today.
I am an old patrician family with lots of power and money and land.
>Salve IMP. Romanum. Nobili.
>SPQR.
>
>Patrizio Romano con tutti i
>Titoli ti Patrizio Romano. Tutti Onori dell Imperio Romano e il Senato
Romano.
>
>Quintus Fabius Rullianus.
-----------
Original text in German:
>
>>Was ist eigentlich Cursus
>Honorum, und wie kann ich
>diesen Cursus Honorum machen, oder Anmelden.
>Warum bin ich nicht Prominent, meine Familie muss auf dem höchsten Grad
>geehrt werden. Ich bin echt,
>seit ihr echt. Meine Familie
>Fabiano,Fabia, Fabius, Fabier,
>Fabii, fabianus, USW. Waren
>hohe Tiere in Rom. Senatoren, Diktatoren 2X,
>Feldherren Gewinner über
>Samniter und Etrusker und
>Gallier, Anwärter zum Kaiser
>2x, Graf, Duce wie der Titel von Musollini, Papst der Röm.
>Katholischen Kirche, Heiliger, Märtyrer Retteten Rom vor dem Untergang.
>Ritter Fabius Erbauer von den
>Mauer Roms, Freund von Romulus, Verwande des Ercole Prinz von der Toscana,
>dieser war direkt verwand mit Ercole der Erbauer von
>Ercolanum bei Napoli Italien,
>nähe des Vesuvio Vulkan.
>Konsul von Sardinien im Röm.
>Reich, Statthalter, Ein verwanter Tribun als Christ,
>wurde Märtyrer wegen seines
>glaubens. USW. Wollen sie ein
>echter Römer in Action sehen, und Mafiosi, dann werden sie sehen wie Brutal
>und Machtgierig und Grausam, Römer blut sein kann. Liebevoll bis der Nuggi
>herausplatzt, und ich schütze
>Ehre und Kultur meiner Vorfahren. Der Wächter der
>immer Wacht, das die Kultur und Ehre aufrecht bleibt. Zudem ein Röm.Katholischer
>Christ.Das Zeichen SPQR benütze ich schon als ich kleiner Junge war, als
>Junge
>war ich auch Ausgrabungen
>machen ganz alleine, mein Volk führte mich, zu den Schönsten Funde. In
einem
>Archeologischen Buch wurde
>ich Luigi Fabiano Verewigt.
>Als Erfinder kam ich in vielen
>Zeitungen und Fernsehe. Man
>muss nicht nur guter Römer
>sein, sondern im Leben ein
>guter Christ, und etwas gutes
>auf die Beine Stellen. In vielen Dinge muss auch Gott,
>mit Dir sein. Sonst wird niemand das sein, wo er Heute ist.Alt Römische
>Patrizier Familie mit viel
>Macht und Geld und Ländereien.
>Salve IMP. Romanum. Nobili.
>SPQR.
>
>Patrizio Romano con tutti i
>Titoli ti Patrizio Romano. Tutti Onori dell Imperio Romano e il Senato
Romano.
>
>Quintus Fabius Rullianus.
-----------
In case anybody was hurt by the translation, I am sorry, but I translate
only what the author has written!!!!!!! Sometimes I was very close to changing
what he wrote but that would not be correct!!!!
Sorry and bene valete,
Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Translation of an 'Edictum Praetoricium' |
| From: |
tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:38:34 +0200 |
|
Salvete omnes,
The following edict was issued by the Propraetor of the Provincia Germania,
Caius Flavius Diocletianus, who has ordered me to translate it into English.
-----
Original text:
EDICTUM PRAETORICIUM
über die Änderung von Regionsgrenzen
I. Das Territorium der Region Germania Superior umfasst ab Inkrafttreten
dieses
Edikts neben den derzeitigen makronationalen Territorien auch die Territorien
der deutschen Bundesländer Rheinland-Pfalz und Saarland.
II. Das Territorium der Region Germania Inferior verkleinert sich entsprechend.
III. Das Territorium der Region Raetia und Noricum bleibt unverändert.
IV. Dieses Edikt tritt sofort in Kraft.
Gegeben am 4. September im Jahr des Konsulats von Marcus Octavius Germanicus
und Lucius Cornelius Sulla, 2755 AUC.
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Senator
Propraetor Germaniae
-----
Translation into English:
EDICTUM PRAETORICIUM
about the change of regional borders
I. The territory of the region Germania Superior will, after this edict
becomes effective, also include the macronational territories of the German
Bundesländer Rheinland-Pfalz and Saarland.
II. The territory of the region Germania Inferior will become smaller, by
these macronational territories.
III. The territories of the region Raetia and Noricum will not change.
IV. This edict becomes effective immediately.
Given this day, September 4th of the year of the consulate of Marcus Octavius
Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla, 2755 AUC.
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Senator
Propraetor Germaniae
Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Translation of an EDICTUM LEGATI |
| From: |
tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:40:06 +0200 |
|
Salvete,
This is a translation of an edictum legati, which I was ordered to do, by
the Legatus Germaniae Superioris, Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili.
-----
Original text:
E DOMO LEGATI GERMANIAE SUPERIORIS
EDICTUM LEGATI
ERMÄCHTIGT DURCH DAS EDICTUM PRAETORICIUM VON SENATOR CAIUS FLAVIUS DIOCLETIANUS,
PROPRAETOR PROVINCIAE GERMANIAE, ERLASSEN AM 30. MAI IM JAHRE 2754 A.U.C.,
ABSATZ IV BZW. VII ERLASSE ICH FOLGENDES EDIKT:
I. GRÜNDUNG DES VICUS "TEULEGIUM"
(das heutige Tholey, im makronationalen Saarland, quelle: www.wareswald.de)
II. ERNENNUNG DES BÜRGERS LUCIUS VERECUNDIUS CAESAR GERMANICUS, ZUM
VORSTEHER FÜR DAS NEUGEGRÜNDETE VICUS TEULEGIUM, SOWIE DAS
MAKRONATIONALE GEBIET DES SAARLANDES.
LUCIUS VERECUNDIUS CAESAR IST BERECHTIGT, FORTAN DEN EHRENVOLLEN TITEL
"LAUREATUS
SARAVINUS" ZU TRAGEN.
DIESES EDICTUM LEGATI TRITT PER SOFORT IN KRAFT.
QUINTUS QUINCTILIUS VARUS GALILI
LEGATUS GERMANIAE SUPERIORIS
NONIS SEPTEMBRIUS, IM JAHR DES KONSULATS VON MARCUS OCTAVIUS GERMANICUS
UND
LUCIUS CORNELIUS SULLA, MMDCCLV A.U.C.
-----
Translation:
E DOMO LEGATI GERMANIAE SUPERIORIS
EDICTUM LEGATI
BY THE POWER OF THE EDICTUM PRAETORICIUM OF SENATOR CAIUS FLAVIUS DIOCLETIANUS,
PROPRAETOR PROVINCIAE GERMANIAE, GIVEN ON MAI 30TH IN THE YEAR 2754 A.U.C.,
PARAGRAPH IV AND VII, I HEREBY GIVE THE FOLLOWING EDICT:
I. FOUNDATION OF THE VICUS "TEULEGIUM"
(today called Tholey, in the macronational Saarland, source: www.wareswald.de)
II. APPOINTMENT OF THE CITIZEN LUCIUS VERECUNDIUS CAESAR GERMANICUS AS THE
HEAD OF THE NEWLY FOUNDED VICUS TEULEGIUM, INCLUDING THE MACRONATIONAL TERRITORY
OF THE SAARLAND. LUCIUS VERECUNDIUS CAESAR IS HEREBY GIVEN THE TITLE "LAUREATUS
SARAVINUS".
THIS EDICTUM LEGATI BECOMES EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
QUINTUS QUINCTILIUS VARUS GALILI
LEGATUS GERMANIAE SUPERIORIS
NONIS SEPTEMBRIUS, IN THE YEAR OF THE CONSULATE OF MARCUS OCTAVIUS GERMANICUS
AND
LUCIUS CORNELIUS SULLA, MMDCCLV A.U.C.
------
Translated by,
Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 01:45:44 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete Omnes,
please find the news related to roman times at:
http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/
Enjoy!!
Salvete,
=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, acting Praefectus for France
French Translator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] For Voting of Senator (Translation into English) |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:49:55 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salve Quinte Fabi Rulliane,
> What exactely is the Cursus Honorum and how can I participate in it or enroll
> for it?
The Cursus Honorum is a traditional sequence of magistracies. We do not
require that all offices be held in order, but we do have some requirements.
> Why am I not prominent?
You have just arrived here. You could become prominent, but this will
take time and hard work.
For your first six months as a citizen, you cannot be elected to office;
however, you can be appointed as an assistant (scribe or legate) to some
other magistrate. This is an excellent way to gain a reputation as a
productive citizen.
After six months, you may stand for election to the junior offices - those
which do not include automatic entry into the Senate. These are Quaestor,
Aedile, Tribune (for Plebeians only). Of course, there is always competition,
and you must defeat the other candidates to attain these jobs - that's why
it's essential to show that you are dedicated before the election, by
serving as a scribe or legate.
The elections will be in November, and you will not have been a citizen
for six months at that time. However, there are usually a few mid-year
elections to fill positions that have been abandoned, so there is a
possibility that you can be elected sometime after your six month
anniversary.
Next, after serving for at least six months in one of the junior magistracies,
you could stand for election to one of the senior positions: Praetor,
Consul, or Censor. Persons elected to these positions automatically
become Senators.
Thus, if you work hard, you can reach the Senate in 2004.
> My family must be honored by the highest means.
Indeed, it is. Gens Fabia is one of only five gentes with two Senators; it
has been honored. Individual citizens of any family are honored according
to their own merits.
Vale, Octavius.
--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Consul of Nova Roma, MMDCCLV a.u.c.
Curator Araneum et Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project |
| From: |
caiustarquitius@gmx.de |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:31:12 +0200 (MEST) |
|
Salve!
As for Albert Speer: The messages his buildings give are actually not the
environment I would live in. That is like EUR or the "Haus der Kunst" in
Munich. Fashistic. I would highly recommend you to go there and stand before it. If
you do so, you will no longer wish to live within or around such things.
Speer was Hitlers personal Architect, by the way. To use such architecture would
be a severe insult to I think all European members of NR.
Vale!
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
"Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit."
--
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http://www.gmx.net
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] For Voting of Senator (Translation into English) |
| From: |
"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:30:00 -0500 |
|
is this a joke? I find the reference to the mafia troubling. Certainly, this person's citizenship violates the Lex Getriddicus Lunaticus Stugaticus?
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----- Original Message -----
From: tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:58 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] For Voting of Senator (Translation into English)
Salvete omnes,
As the official translator for the German language, it is my duty to translate
the following text, which was posted on the mainlist, into English:
What exactely is the Cursus Honorum and how can I participate in it or enroll
for it? Why am I not prominent? My family must be honored by the highest
means. I am a real Roman! Are you real Romans?
My family Fabiano, Fabia, Fabius, Fabier, Fabii, Fabianus, etc. were very
high ranking in Rome. Senators, Dictators (twice), imperators and victor
over the Samnites and Etruscians and the Gauls, aspirants to the title of
emperor (twice), 'duce' which is the same title as Mussollini had, pope
of the holy roman catholic church, saint, martyr and saviour of Rome. The
equestrian Fabius built the walls of Rome, was a friend of Romulus, belonged
to the family of Ercole, prince of Toscana, who was related to the founder
of the city Ercolanum near Napels in Italy, near the vulcano Vesuvius. Consul
of Sardinia in the roman imperium, propraetor, a related tribune who was
a christian became a maryr because of his believe, etc.
Do you want to see a real Roman and Mafiosi in action, then you will see
how brutal, cruel and power hungry, the Roman blood can be. Full of love
until the cork pops out of the bottle and I will guard the honor and culture
of my family. I am the guardian who is always awake to hold upright the
culture and honor.
Furthermore I am a roman catholic christian. I used the sign 'SPQR' allready
as a small boy, when I went digging all alone and with the guidance of my
people made sensational and beautiful archeological finds. Because of this,
I, Luigi Fabiano was put in an archeological book for ever.
As an inventor I appeared in many newspapers and on TV. One does not only
have to be a good Roman, but also a good Christian in life and one has to
do good things. In many instances, God has to be with you. Otherwise nobody
would be, where he is today.
I am an old patrician family with lots of power and money and land.
>Salve IMP. Romanum. Nobili.
>SPQR.
>
>Patrizio Romano con tutti i
>Titoli ti Patrizio Romano. Tutti Onori dell Imperio Romano e il Senato
Romano.
>
>Quintus Fabius Rullianus.
-----------
Original text in German:
>
>>Was ist eigentlich Cursus
>Honorum, und wie kann ich
>diesen Cursus Honorum machen, oder Anmelden.
>Warum bin ich nicht Prominent, meine Familie muss auf dem höchsten Grad
>geehrt werden. Ich bin echt,
>seit ihr echt. Meine Familie
>Fabiano,Fabia, Fabius, Fabier,
>Fabii, fabianus, USW. Waren
>hohe Tiere in Rom. Senatoren, Diktatoren 2X,
>Feldherren Gewinner über
>Samniter und Etrusker und
>Gallier, Anwärter zum Kaiser
>2x, Graf, Duce wie der Titel von Musollini, Papst der Röm.
>Katholischen Kirche, Heiliger, Märtyrer Retteten Rom vor dem Untergang.
>Ritter Fabius Erbauer von den
>Mauer Roms, Freund von Romulus, Verwande des Ercole Prinz von der Toscana,
>dieser war direkt verwand mit Ercole der Erbauer von
>Ercolanum bei Napoli Italien,
>nähe des Vesuvio Vulkan.
>Konsul von Sardinien im Röm.
>Reich, Statthalter, Ein verwanter Tribun als Christ,
>wurde Märtyrer wegen seines
>glaubens. USW. Wollen sie ein
>echter Römer in Action sehen, und Mafiosi, dann werden sie sehen wie Brutal
>und Machtgierig und Grausam, Römer blut sein kann. Liebevoll bis der Nuggi
>herausplatzt, und ich schütze
>Ehre und Kultur meiner Vorfahren. Der Wächter der
>immer Wacht, das die Kultur und Ehre aufrecht bleibt. Zudem ein Röm.Katholischer
>Christ.Das Zeichen SPQR benütze ich schon als ich kleiner Junge war, als
>Junge
>war ich auch Ausgrabungen
>machen ganz alleine, mein Volk führte mich, zu den Schönsten Funde. In
einem
>Archeologischen Buch wurde
>ich Luigi Fabiano Verewigt.
>Als Erfinder kam ich in vielen
>Zeitungen und Fernsehe. Man
>muss nicht nur guter Römer
>sein, sondern im Leben ein
>guter Christ, und etwas gutes
>auf die Beine Stellen. In vielen Dinge muss auch Gott,
>mit Dir sein. Sonst wird niemand das sein, wo er Heute ist.Alt Römische
>Patrizier Familie mit viel
>Macht und Geld und Ländereien.
>Salve IMP. Romanum. Nobili.
>SPQR.
>
>Patrizio Romano con tutti i
>Titoli ti Patrizio Romano. Tutti Onori dell Imperio Romano e il Senato
Romano.
>
>Quintus Fabius Rullianus.
-----------
In case anybody was hurt by the translation, I am sorry, but I translate
only what the author has written!!!!!!! Sometimes I was very close to changing
what he wrote but that would not be correct!!!!
Sorry and bene valete,
Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
|
| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project |
| From: |
"miguelkelly15" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca> |
| Date: |
Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:57:58 -0000 |
|
Salve Cai,
I do not like who Albert Speer worked for either but at the same time
it does not mean that his neo classical architectural ideas should be
scrapped or ignored; if one was to use some of his ideas go for it
but leave out the swastikas and politics. Don't forget that many
beautiful Roman buildings were designed by psycos and murderers as
well. They say Nero for example was a great building designer,
perhaps a genius for his time and I as a Christian am not offended if
we someday recreate his golden palace and circuses. Similarily King
Herod the Great built Caesaria on the Sea - a family murderer and
baby killer, yet I have no problem if a new Roman Empire rebuilt the
city according to his plans. I can think of dozens of other examples.
In other words if we ignore an artist or architect talents because of
his socially evil past, it logically follows that many Roman
buidings, starting with the colesseum (and its horrific evils) should
never be built or recreated.
Yours respectfully,
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> Speer was Hitlers personal Architect, by the way. To use such
architecture would
> be a severe insult to I think all European members of NR.
> Vale!
>
> Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
>
> "Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit."
>
> --
> GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet.
> http://www.gmx.net
>
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Are you like Schumi? |
| From: |
"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:52:28 +0200 |
|
Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.
Would you like drive like Schumacher?
Or would you like train Varenne, your best horse?
YES? So partecipe to the next ROMANI LUDI CIRCENSES, the virtula chariot
races organized during the Ludi Romani by the Cohors Aedilis Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus.
There are many place in the start grid .... take a chariot, recruit a
driver, choose a tactic and FIGHT !!!
Please, keep attenction to the dirty actions, it's dangerous for your team
... ;-)
Subscribe the Ludi at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/romani/chariotraces.htm
Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Translation XV into Portuguese, Lex Labiena de Intercessione |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucius=20Arminius=20Faustus?= <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:51:46 -0300 (ART) |
|
Salvete omnia decuriones et cives,
First, Sorry by the silence of that last days. This is the translation into portuguese of Lex Labiena de Intercessione. A copy on html can be found at my office: http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/trad/lexlabienai.html
LEX LABIENA DE INTERCESSIONE
Desejosa do cumprimento do que é estabelecido pelo parágrafo IV.A.7.a.3 da Constituição, esta lei é promulgada para definir o processo pelo qual um tribuno da plebe pode usar seu poder de intercessão.
II. Um tribuno da plebe pode usar o intercessio fazendo um proununciamento oficial em ao menos uma lista ou forum principal de comunicação de Nova Roma (como definido pela Constituição) dentro de 72 horas a partir do anúncio do item ou ação a ser vetada. Os itens e ações as quais um tribuno da plebe pode interceder contra estão definidos no parágrafo IV.A.7.a.1 da Constituição.
III. A emissão de uma intercessão terá efeito no item ou ação a ser detida, prevenindo-a de ser efetiva, por 72 horas desde que a intercessão foi anunciada.
IV. Durante este período de 72 horas, outro tribuno da plebe pode oficialmente anunciar sua concordância ou discordância na intercessão.
IV.A. Este anúncio pode ser feito em ao menos um dos fóruns principais de comunicação de Nova Roma, bem como também ser feito no fórum onde o anúncio de intercessão original foi dado.
IV.B. Um tribuno da plebe que escolhe não se pronunciar sobre o uso da intercessão terá assumido que absteve-se, e sua abstenção não será cosiderada nem a favor nem contra a intercessão.
IV.C. O uso inicial da intercessão terá pressuposto um voto de concordância consigo mesma. Portanto o tribuno que inicialmente emitiu a intercessão não precisa se pronunciar sobre sua concordância.
V. Mesmo que mais tribunos da plebe concordem ou discordem com o uso da intercessão em questão, ela permanece, e a ação que foi vetada será considerada nula...
De outro modo a ação que foi vetada será permitida ter efeito imediatemente a seguir ao fim do período de intercessão para os outros tribunos pronunciarem sua concordância ou discordãncia.
Aprovada pelo Comício das Tribos Populares em 27 de fevereiro de 2755, Sim: 28; Não: 6
Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus
Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae, scriba tribuni plebis.
Member of Decuriae Interpretes - (portuguese chair)
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project |
| From: |
"Ben Kidd" <benkidd@globalbiz.net> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:58:42 -0400 |
|
There are no projects that are going to be accomplished with all this 'political' quibbling. Albert Speer, Mafioso...et al. If a member is true lover of Rome and the Classics, then that should be the defining criteria, not credentials, pedigree, political leanings......et al. In the short time I have been on I can already see that that too much time is consumed by bickering and reactive criticism. I have seen this before and I just hope we can all be less thin skinned and focus on the passion for Rome and the Classics that we all have in common, not focus on the differences that will always be there is we dig for them..Just a little advice!
----- Original Message -----
From: caiustarquitius@gmx.de
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project
Salve!
As for Albert Speer: The messages his buildings give are actually not the
environment I would live in. That is like EUR or the "Haus der Kunst" in
Munich. Fashistic. I would highly recommend you to go there and stand before it. If
you do so, you will no longer wish to live within or around such things.
Speer was Hitlers personal Architect, by the way. To use such architecture would
be a severe insult to I think all European members of NR.
Vale!
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
"Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit."
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project |
| From: |
"morosbe2001" <morosbe2001@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 06 Sep 2002 19:45:08 -0000 |
|
Salve Ben
> There are no projects that are going to be accomplished with all
this 'political' quibbling. Albert Speer, Mafioso...et al. If a
member is true lover of Rome and the Classics, then that should be
the defining criteria, not credentials, pedigree, political
leanings......et al. In the short time I have been on I can already
see that that too much time is consumed by bickering and reactive
criticism. I have seen this before and I just hope we can all be less
thin skinned and focus on the passion for Rome and the Classics that
we all have in common, not focus on the differences that will always
be there is we dig for them..Just a little advice!
In case you didn't noticed, the things you just described are what
mainly happens here in Nova Roma: on the main list, on senatorial
lists, on the collegium pontificium list, etc.. The only place i
haven't seen anything like this is on the Nova Roma Europe mailing
list. Mayby the belgica list to but i can't speak for the american
lists, but i think it happens there to. They bicker, they criticise
anyone who is different from them or doesn't fit their view. There
are pretty fine examples of this which i will not share on this list
on the ground that most of the people know about them.
vale optime in pace deorum
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Reenacting NR and SCA |
| From: |
Arnamentia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:56:50 -0700 (PDT) |
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Yes, please do join the SCA group. It's a nice bunch
of people, all very dedicated to Rome.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA_Romans/
Arnamentia Aurelia
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:38:11 -0400
> From: Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
> Subject: Re: Reenacting NR and SCA
>
> I should perhaps point out that there is a Yahoo
> group called
> "sca-romans" specifically for people in the SCA who
> have taken on Roman
> personae. It's been rather quiet over there, and it
> might be fun to see
> a few more Nova Romans!
>
> -----
> Patricia Cassia
> Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
> Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org
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