Subject:	[Nova-Roma] NRLandProject
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:06:28 -0400 (EDT)

Master G.B. Agricola;

Perhaps a better idea would be to aquire some land with a building
already there where we could meet, prepare and plan events and
activities, and when the finances, organization and ideas forwarded to
date are in train and have been considered, then ultimately build
something Roman on it.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Congrats / Nobody "sits at my feet"
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:16:18 -0400 (EDT)

Congratulations Master Calvus upon your victory. Your skill with a pen
is as impressive as your skill as a legionary.

While I do not care to argue, I most respectfully point out that nobody
"sits at my feet." We make talk, discuss and argue points of individual
interest or expertise, but you are just as I am -- and we are equal in
that. Perhaps in the future we can arrange a demo in which after the
archer sends his shafts, the legionary attacks with the Gladius and the
archer seeks refuge behind the lines of armor.

I just study the military, I don't think I have the courage to face an
angry legionary with a sharp gladius. That seems too close to
"dumbness" to me (Grin!!!!).

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] New citizen questions
From:	"luzimar Alves santana" <luzimar_santana@lycos.com>
Date:	Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:33:41 -0300

Alo Luiz Saboya / Lucius Octavius
Salve!


Tudo bem?

Vi que voce mandou uma mensagem para Nova Roma, mas datada de 1998, então ela apareceu bem no final de meus emails, só quando fiz a manutenção é que eu vi.

Nova Roma é uma organização vitual multinacional, e o Brasil e uma de suas provincias.
Voce pode se juntar à lista provincial, enviando um mail para:
nrbrasil-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
e depois confirmando.

Para se tornar um bom cidadão, minhas sugestões:
- ler as leis de Nova Roma (no Tabularium)
- se inscrever nas listas de discussão (a principal e as secundárias suas preferidas).
- participar e aprender, conhecer as pessoas.

Vale
Lucius Arminius Metellus
Provincia Brasilia - Scriba Propraetoricum

--

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:22:07
Luiz Saboya wrote:
>Friends of Nova Roma.
>
>I'm sorry to send a message that, for most of you may seem stupid. But I have some questions about how should I proceed to be a good citizen in Nova Roma.
>First, I would like to know which one is the best way to live the "Nova Roma Lifestyle" ? Is in this list ? In the message board, or anyone else ?
>Second, I would like some tips of how to be a good citizen. Could my new friends help me ?
>
>Thanks
>Lucius Aulus Octavianus



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Sokarus A. Orcus
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <scriba_forum@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:54:19 -0000

---
Salve Senator Audens:

It is obvious that you are angry, and from time to time this
individual, who has posted is beside himself. He was corrected by me
and I have placed him back on Moderated Status.

I didn't purposefully allow him to insult this organization....but he
was corrected by myself and he has since not issued any further posts.

I refuse to crucify him. And one of the hallmarks of magistricy,
particularily this job, is tempering justice with virtue.

His Paterfamilias has spoken on his behalf and has offered
explanation, and to some extent apology.

What, may I ask, would you have me do further to prevent 'further
insult'. I remind you, that I am a magistrate too, as is Tiberi
Apolloni.

With the greatest respect, nobody denies your accomplishments, your
contributions and your ferver with the respect to the growth of Nova
Roma. However, I feel you are overreacting.

This year has been pretty darned tame with respect to personal
insults and flaming. The office of the Praetor is proud of its
record.

Bene vale,
Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@y..., jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Magistrate Tiberius Appolonius Cicatrix;
>
> Since you choose to speak for the subject perhaps you would be so
kind
> as to relay the following message for me:
> _____________________________________
>
> 1--------. When you are so foolish as to try and stain an entire
> organization because you do not have either the courage or ability
to
> make a clear statement of your specific problems, you only hurt
> yourself, and the face out of which you look at the world. Actions
of
> that sort are niether wise nor intelligent, and in this case have
earned
> you some specific problems.
>
> 2---------. When you are sweeping in your accusations you tend to
make
> enemies where you didn't realize there were people. I don't know
you
> and after your rediculous remarks I do not wish to. However, you
have
> sweepingly included me in your hate message, and the accusations
leveled
> against Nova Roma whether you have the wit to realize it or not are
> directed at me, as well as others. Others can speak for
themselves, but
> I speak for myself. I tell you now, that you have insulted me with
no
> evidence and no reason other than your own twisted hatred. Were I a
> bigger person than I am, I would probably dismiss your insiult as
the
> vaporing of a foolish young man who does not have the wit or
ability to
> specificaly state what is on his mind. However, I am not as big as
> some, and I have found in the past that forgiving a foolish,
> unsupported, deliberate and insulting statement is as effective as
> washing a pig's face. You waste your soap, frustrate yourself and
make
> the pig mad. Therefore, I take your insult personnally, and not
only do
> I object to the statement as it is both untrue and unsupported with
> relation to me, you have in addition insulted an organization into
which
> I have poured a great deal of time, effort and finance. You have
made
> an enemy for fair, and although I do not expect an intelligent
response
> from the likes of you, I require an immediate and full apology to
both
> myself and to the organization which you have insulted.
>
> 3------------. While I have no feelings for your organization one
way
> or another (I once offered to work with them and my offer was
rejected)
> my life experience tells me that you have wounded your own
organization
> deeply (probably far more deeply than Nova Roma) since it will be
> difficult for many who read your vicious and groundless accusation,
to
> separate you from your organization. However, I would not expect
you to
> grasp such a basic idea.
>
> 4------------. In response to the excuse offered by your friend
that you
> are not well versed in the English language. I reject that excuse,
on
> the grounds that you have been quite effective in insulting both
myself
> and Nova Roma. Apparently that was your intent, and in that you
have
> certainly succeeded, in my case at least. If you are so
handicapped in
> English as your excuser has made you out to be, then I respectfully
ask
> you to use your native language and avail yourself of the
translators
> offered here, while endeavoring to the best of your ability to keep
a
> civil and reasonably accurate tongue in your head, if that is in
any way
> possible.
> _____________________________________
> Master Cicatrix;
>
> The above message is not directed at either you or your
organization.
>
> Praetor Strabo:
>
> Since you have seen fit to allow this person to insult me and my
> organization, I respectfully request that you allow my response.
After
> that, I have done with both he and his organization.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucus Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Archers
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:30:38 -0400 (EDT)

Levantine archers are mentioned in:

"The Roman Imperial Army," Graham Webster

"On Trajan's column there are interesting details of the distinctive
Eastern archer's equipment. These Levantine-looking auxiliaries are
using a short bow, a composite weapon made of sinew or wood with bone or
horn stiffeners fragments of which have been found at Caerleon and Bar
Hill (Roman Brittain). They have a conical helmet, very reminisent of
the Norman "sangenhelm"and probably having an iron framework. Thier
bodies are protected by a shirt of mail made with large scales below
which is a flowing skirt-like garment. The quiver is carried high on
the back so that the arrow can be plucked out from over the shoulder."

Hamian archers are mentioned in the book "Hadrian's Wall," by Embleton
and Graham

"Cohors I Hamiorum Sagittariorum

This unit of Hamian archers was raised in Syria. In Hadrian's time it
was the garrison of Coarvoran. It left to become the garrison at Bar
Hill during the second period of occupation of the Antonine Wall,
returning to Carvoran in the reigb of Marcus Aurelius (c. 163-166).

Hamian Archer from Housesteads

The garrison at Housesteads in the 3rd and 4th century was the first
cohort of Tungarians, and infantry battalion from the area on the
continent now called Belgium. Before that period the garrison was
unknown. In the third century the garrison seems to have been
reinforrced by a unit of irregulars called the cuneus Hnauddifridi named
after it's commander Hnaudifridus. The Frisian Cavalry mentioned about
the same time (cunus Frisiorum) may be the same detachment under a
different name. For the early second century we have a gravestone of a
Hamian archer (cohors Hamiorum Sagittariorum) which suggests that they
were at Housteads at that time.

The reconstruction presented is based on information supplied by Russel
Robinson. From his (the archer's) tombstone:

----the soldier is in a conical helmet and probaly wearing a mail shirt.
On his back is slung a quiver of arrows and on his waist-belt, at the
right side hangs a large knife. His bow of the recurved composite type,
is in his left hand and a small axe is in his right. The Hamians were a
Syrian tribe.----"

"Greece and Rome At War," Peter Connelly indicates:

"Archers , who were usually of Eastern origin, are shown on Hadrian's
Column wearing mail shirts which are just a longer version of the
cavalty type

(some wore scale armor made by sewing overlapping rows of metal scale on
a linen undergarment. Scales varied from one to 5 centimeters in
length)

They used a composite bow which was much smaller than the English
longbow, and was made of wood strengthened on the inside of the
curvewith hornand on te outside with sinew. A pair of horn nocks to
which a string was attachedreinforced each end. Many examples of these
nocks have been found on Roman military sites. A detailed drawing of a
second century archer is detailed on page 309. In this rendering the
archer wears no knife or knife belt, but sports a gladus and scabbard on
a baldric over his left shoulder and a quiver of arrows slung over his
right shoulder. Page 237 shows a diagram of the archery weapons (period
140 B.C. to 200 A.D) as below:

--cross-section of a composite bow as described above;

--horn nock from scotland;

--part of a reed arrow abd thre different arrowhead types..

In addition archers are mentioned in most armies of the periods leading
up to the Repub;lic and the Empire.

While I do not dispute your word, it is hard for me to understand why if
Eastern Archers understood the full use of the bow, and had experience
with the weapon over such a long period, why they still only pulled the
string to thier chest and not back to the ear, so that the archer could
sight along the arrow. If you have a reference to support your
supposition I would be pleased to know of it.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] How to be a good citizen
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:14:47 -0400 (EDT)

Master L.A. Octavianus;

I'm probably the last person to be saying this but, I guess if you treat
others as you expect to be treated, that would be a pretty good start.

Look at the Roman Virtues and try to set them as a goal.

Identify your areas of interest and share your knowledge or your
questions on the Main List or within one of the many Sodalitas and topic
lists that are in Nova Roma as you prefer. The Praetors can provide you
a list of these or anyone else who is up on the latest complete list of
such interests.

Determine how much time that you have to devote to Nova Roma, and look
for some way to be of service to the Republic. If you don't know how to
do that I would be pleased to help you find your way, or any other new
citizen who has similar questions.

Tell us about yourself, and what your likes and dislikes are, together
with the areas of your interest anf your special talents. I can
recommend a lot of things to do, but without knowing you a little better
my suggestions probably would not mean much at this point.

These steps are a good beginnng, and as you go along others will help
you in many ways. However, if you choose not to communicate, remember
that no-one will know hat you are here. Choose someone who sounds good
to you and get to know them. Do something for the Republic which may
reflect your expertise ie: write a poem, share a recipe, review a book,
tell a story, make a report, join a Sodalitas or specialty list, etc.

Good Luck to you and all the new citizens in Nova Roma. There is much
to do here, and much to learn. There are potential friends, and new
ideas to be made aware of. This is your Republic now, use it, help it,
be part of it -- jump in with both feet!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to Nova Roma!!!!

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens



Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Thank you
From:	tiberius.ann@bluemail.ch
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:09:35 +0200

Salve Calve,

>Thank you for your permission for reprint of all the entries. I now
>make request of the authors for their permission to reprint. Once
>again, thank you.

I, Tiberius Annaeus Otho, also give you the permission to reprint the story,
which was written in Germania Superior.

Vale,

Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Sokarus A. Orcus
From:	"M. Octavius Solaris" <hendrik.meuleman@pi.be>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:02:24 +0200

Salve M. Minuci Audens,

(snipped)

> 3------------. While I have no feelings for your organization one way
> or another (I once offered to work with them and my offer was rejected)

When? I cannot recall having ever received such an offer, past or present.
Please do explain.

Vale bene,
M. Octavius Solaris

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Archers
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:48:55 EDT

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Marcus Minucius Audens. Salve.

Of all the historic archers very few drew their shafts to the ear in the
manner of the Welsh, English, and certain Neolithic cultures who favored a
d-section longbow of up to six and a half feet long. The length of such bows
combined with the three-fingered release and longer shafts made it possible
to draw back such a bow under the ear. Many of the archers current to the
Roman Republic, Principate, and Empire used the composite bow (Cretans,
Scythians, Syrians, Huns) using a thumb ring. The shortness of the composite
bows (3-5 feet) and the use of the thumb-ring still resulted in a more
powerful and longer-ranged weapon. In Dan Shadrake's book, the
Turkish-Hunnic bows are mentioned as having a longer range than the
self-longbows. Having used a Turkic bow with a thumb-ring and a pull of 55#,
I was able to make a longer shot than with an elm Viking-style bow of 6' and
70# pull using the three-fingered release. It was also easier to hold the
Turkic bow at full draw for a more careful shot than with a long bow.
According to Vegetius, the later Roman archers trained with wooden self bows
but were still using the Hunnic composite bow, even in the Western Empire,
for combat. What has always struck me as odd is that even during the early
Republic, the Romans used slingers instead of archers as their primary
auxiliary missile troops right up through the Gallic Wars. A Balearic
slinger used three different slings of various lengths with lead bullets but
their range was still inferior to a simple self bow. I can only hazard a
guess that they worked with what they knew until something better came along
and proved itself in battle. Much like the gladius hispanensis replaced the
older Greek and Etruscan style swords during the Punic Wars.
I have never had much interest in doing a Roman legionnary impression but
have always thought that an archer would be very unique.

Vale.


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: how to be a good citizen
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:09:17 -0400

On Monday, September 9, 2002, at 10:56 PM, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

>> I'm sorry to send a message that, for most of you may seem stupid.
>> But I have some questions about how should I proceed to be a good
>> citizen in Nova Roma.
>> First, I would like to know which one is the best way to live the
>> "Nova Roma Lifestyle" ? Is in this list ? In the message board, or
>> anyone else ?
>> Second, I would like some tips of how to be a good citizen. Could my
>> new friends help me ?

You might find some ideas in the Via Romana section of the Nova Roma
Web site, which includes a list of Roman virtues:

http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/virtues.html

These are qualities that you can incorporate into your daily life as
well as your participation in Nova Roma.

There is also a page especially for new citizens here:

http://www.novaroma.org/newcitizens/

I expect the Web translation engines could help you at least get a
broad sense of the ideas on these pages, and I encourage our excellent
crew of translators to make these pages available in languages other
than English.


-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Proposed Nova Britannia event
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:15:05 -0400

> On the week following the excellent event "Roman Market Days" it occurs
> to me that something similar might be posible down the coast a ways in
> our neck of the woods.
>

For the benefit of those who may not be as familiar with your location,
you are speaking of Connecticut, correct? We certainly do not have the
energy to organize two such events in a year, but would be pleased to
attend with the same sort of setup we have at Roman Days, with a table
of ancient artifacts and another of Nova Roma merchandise. I would
encourage you to set a date early, however, since July tends to fill
up. There is an SCA event (Great Northeastern War) which I like to
attend on the third weekend of the month, so I would urge you to avoid
that if possible.

The Wren's Nest proprietors are harder to pin down, and may indeed be
already booked for next July. I encourage you to e-mail them directly
at anubis@sacoriver.net.





-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Lex Iunia de Iusiurando
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?H-M=20Ahonen?= <hannaahonen@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:47:05 +0100 (BST)

I, Mariniara Octavia Pomptina (Hanna-Mari Ahonen)
do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of
Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Mariniara Octavia
Pomptina Hanna-Mari Ahonen) swear to honor the Gods
and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
life.

I, Mariniara Octavia Pomptina (Hanna-Mari Ahonen)
swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the
State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act
in a way that would threaten its status as the State
Religion.

I, Mariniara Octavia Pomptina (Hanna-Mari Ahonen)
swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
Nova Roma.

I, Mariniara Octavia Pomptina (Hanna-Mari Ahonen)
further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Scriba Legatis
Regionis Finnicae (Scriba assisting the Legatus
Regionis Finnicae)to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the
presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman
people and by their will and favor, do I accept
the position of Scriba Legatis Regionis Finnicae
(Scriba assisting the Legatus Regionis Finnicae)
and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:18:57 -0500

Wise Marcus Minucius Audens:

Agreed. A nice piece of land on a hill with a prefab or mobile home on it. Whilst living in the mobile home, build a nice atrium style villa on it out of cinder blocks. A nice stucco on the outside, mosaics on the floor, a private amphitheater in the rear, perhaps a vomitorium, and you are ready to entertain, and, perhaps, finally, live like a human being.

Salve

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola







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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:06 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject


Master G.B. Agricola;

Perhaps a better idea would be to aquire some land with a building
already there where we could meet, prepare and plan events and
activities, and when the finances, organization and ideas forwarded to
date are in train and have been considered, then ultimately build
something Roman on it.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:21:41 -0500

"Better idea: buy (or lease) land with something Roman *already on it*"

Almost impossible here in the States.

GB Agricola




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Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project


-----Original Message-----
From : Gaius Basilicatus Agricola <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
To : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date : 09 September 2002 15:33:32
Subject : Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An idea for the land project
I have an idea for a land project:
>
>1. Buy some land
>2. Build something Roman on it
>
>Salve,
>
>Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>
Optime dictum (aut scriptim)!
Better idea: buy (or lease) land with something Roman *already on it*. While preserving anything such as mosaics, foundations etc, build and show a replica. There are plenty of sites with nothing to show but foundation marks of no great value once the archeologists have sifted through. I believe a small amphitheatre has been restored in thins way somewhere in the North of England. A villa would be better.
Vib. Ambrosius Caesariensis.


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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] NRLandProject
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:39:51 -0400 (EDT)

Master Agricola;

Your "piggy-backing" of ideas is really great!!! Trailer indeed!!!
There are several used trailers in our vicinity for sale which have been
utilized as construction offices. They are sold without furniture, but
the heating, sanitation and cooling facilities are intact.

With something similar on a piece of land, two to three acres in size,
we would have the beginning of a place for events, meetings, and the
storage of plans, diagrams and designs. Even better would be a smaller
trailer which could be taken to the land whenever a meeting or event was
being planned and take the uit home after the meetinhg / event, in order
to get around the problem of vandals. I have the room here to store
such a "traveling office" and in fact, enough room (about 2 acres
cleared- 3 in woodland) to put on an event at least the size of the
"Roman Market Days" event in Welles. We are a little off the Main Drag
here though, and minimal parking. Visitors would have to be bussed in,
I suppose.

However, I am pleased and impressed with the practical ideas.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] LRCA - the winner
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <mcserapio@yahoo.it>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:54:36 -0000

AVE QVINTE CASSI CALVE

My best congratulations on your work! It deserves this award!

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----------------------------
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Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
Scriba Aedilis Plebis Cicatricis
----------------------------
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http://italia.novaroma.org
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ADMINISTRATIO AEDILIS PLEBIS CICATRIX
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/aediliscicatrix.html

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Archers
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:19:03 -0400 (EDT)

Master F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus;

Thank you very much for your referances. My intention is to develop a
presentation for Legio XXIV Commander Gallio Velius Marsalas in regard
to the usage of Auxiliary troops with the Legion cohorts. I started
this effort last year at a Pennsylvania Event. I want to show how the
Auxilaries "softened up" the enemy with stonethrowers, club-men,
slingers and archers. I am a Tribune Laticlavius Architechturas in
Legio XXIV, and I feel the duty to provide some kind of presentation
designed to add to the Legio's already very complete and extensive,
display. Since Commander Gallio has most of the major points of the
Legions already covered, this effort looks like the best way to do that.

I have previously described in general terms the thrust of my efforts in
Legio XXIV. I also have some duties and responsibilities in the Ludi
Maximus Gladitori as well. However, as we are a part of Legion XXIV
that part of the "pie" does not overly concern me.

I have a small recurve bow (Bear) about 35# with the distinctive pistol
grip handle and sut away arrow shelf. I would like to use the bow as a
demo by filling in the cuaway section and covering the pistol grip
handle with a light loose leather cover. I propose to use strips of
light leather glued to the front of the bow, to simulate sinew, and add
thin strips of horn to the back curve of the bow. Horn nocks on the
bowtips should complete the conversion. The arrows, quiver, and belt
knife I already have plans for.

The slinger is a different thing entirely. There is some information on
the internet about slings and and aditional reference or web-sites that
you may know of I would very much appreciate. I had asked a gentlean
some time ago to work with me in building a sling from direction found
on the internet, but he disappeared shortly thereafter. I would imagine
that the three sizes of sling had to do with the intended ammunition for
the sling. Each sling having a special sized "pocket" for the size of
ammunition intended. Also, I would think that the length of the sling
in relation to the size and wieght of the ammo, would be an important
consideration as well as the release procedure. Finally ad probably
most important the technique of launching frm a sling, and targeting
with it. I have read stories about shepards being so accurate that they
could hit wolves on the run while protecting sheep herds. The
stone=thrower and club-man present no real challange in equipment. In
Connolly's book both slingers and club-men are portrayed with auxila
shields, but in Embleton's Book they are portrayed without either shield
or bullet pouch, using stones from a "sack" created from a fold in a
toga-like over-garment.

Anyway, such are my plans for the future in support of Legio XXIV. Now
all I have to do is bring them to fruitation!!!

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] SVR
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:33:52 -0400 (EDT)

Master Solaris;

In response to your question of me, I contacted someone (at this point I
do not remember who) and offered such small expertise as I may have in
the Militarium to the SVR. I asked hat he (I think it was a he) thought
of my offer and I never recieved a response. My assumption at the time
was that the founder of SVR, (whom I strongly disagreed with in his
political views) had simply gotten wind of my request and had decided he
didn't need any more of my disruption of his goals.

Actually, I am not much of a politician, as I have a tendency to say
what I think and let the weakest go to the wall. Probably not the best
way to get along, but it allows me to face myself each morning in the
mirror and that is a good feeling.

Anyway, I have nothing against SVR, and I would suppose that there are
many good people in the organization. Some of the colleagues whom I
value highly appraise me of such, and I accept that without qualm. I
find it sad that people of that impressive a character cannot live
within Nova Roma, but the difference in people is waht makes the world
go around, and I have my own foibles as well.

My apologies for not making myself clearer in my reference to SVR, but I
did not imagine that anyone really cared. Thank you for your question
and thank you for the relay of my message to your Gens-Mate.

Respectfully;

Marcus Mnucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Sokarus A. Orcus
From:	MarcusAudens@webtv.net
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:22:58 -0400 (EDT)

Praetor Strabo;

Upon re-reading your last message (something about it did not seem right
to me), the following applies:

--I had no idea that you had moderated the subject or corrected him.
That is your busines and if you do not choose to appraise the list of
such actions then you may expect me to take the actions that I deem
proper, particularly when my honor and efforts are attacked;

--I beg your pardon about my statement regard your "allowing him to
insult the organization." An earlier comment led me to believe the
subject was already on Moderation. That was my error and I apologize,
of course there is no way that you could have stopped an unmoderated
posting;

--I had no idea that you woud "crucify" him, nor have I asked anyone to.
In my view he would be better completely cut off from the list if he has
no more control than he has evidenced. but it would take a great deal to
effect that, and I have better things to do;

--I am very much aware of what is needed in your task as Praetor. As a
holder of the Cursus Honorium, I am aware of all of the Magistry
requirements in NR inclusive in that honor;

--I am not concerned with his Paterfamilius or his excuses. My business
was with the subject and him alone;

--I did not ask you to take further action "to prevent further insult."
what I asked you to do was to see my message to the list. Since you
have objected to my postings in the past, I was not sure if I was being
moderated or not, since I have not been appraised of your "Moderation
Procedure" nor is it anywhere posted to my knowledge. Therefore, I
requested that you allow my message to go through to the Main List. It
did---end of problem;

--I am aware of your position as I have said, I voted for you. I asked
Master Appolonius to do nothing more than to relay a message, which I
assumed that he had the wit and willingness to do. His Magisterial
Position did not come into the mix;

--Your statement that I am overreacting is not based upon any personal
knowledge of my reqirements and so is valueless. I think it crude for
you to pronounce your evaluation of my action with so little basis to
the whole of NR. I would never do that to you, simply because I have no
gauge by which to measure your actions. I have not particularly agreed
with your tirade against Cassius, nor the necessity of your message of
innosense before the Senate, but I have not commented since I do not
have all the aspects in my hands. Wnen you resigned from NR and the
Militarium, I don't recall that I criticized your reasoning, but rather
indicated my agony at your decision. So, I reject your attempt to
appraise Nova Roma of my true attitude, because you are not only in
error of fact, but you are in error in the interference in a personal
matter where you have absolutely no clue to my situation, values or
requirements and nothing by which to guage my reactions;

--In regard to the accomplishments of the Praetor's office, I am not
keeping score. What you say may well be true, and I give you the joy of
it. However, no-one has brought it into question. My purpose was to
speak for myself, as I always have, and always will when my dignity and
honor are questioned. If anyone knows that, I would think that you
would.

Respectflly;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Elevated Terror Condition Announced
From:	"Sextus Cornelius Cotta(Charlie Collins)" <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:15:06 -0000

Salevte Omnes,
The U.S. has elevated the Terror Condition up from Yellow to
Orange(the second highest). Also, announced Saturday Combat Air
Patrols have resumed over NYC and Washington, DC.

Sextus Cornelius Cotta

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Neue_Gr=FCndung?=
From:	"Fabiano Luigi" <internetomat@swissonline.ch>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:31:46 +0200

Ich Quintus Fabius Rullianus.
Werde in Kürze,eine neue Organisation
Gründen, da ich doch nicht meine Ziele
erreichen kann, bei Nova Roma. Werde
ich Patria Christiani Romana Gründen.
So werde ich mich als Oberhaupt ansehen, und meine Familien würde
zurück bekommen. Da bei dieser Organisation die Ladessprachen
Italienisch und Deutsch und Englisch und Latein werden sein. Das SPQR wird
das Hauptsimbol sein. Die Ränge gehen
je nach Verdienst oder Familien Geschichte und Würden vergeben. Vom
1x Imperator 1x Diktator und haufenweise Senatoren, Konsuls, Statthalters, USW. Die Patrizier Geschlechte haben vortritt. Der Imperator muss sich bei entscheidungen an den Senat wenden,
so das Sie, das schlusswort haben
dürfen, der Feldherr und Diktator wird
alle 2 Jahre neu gewählt, kann aber bei
nicht gefallen vom Senat abgesetzt werden. Die wahlen vom Diktator und
Feldherrn sind dem Senat untergestellt.
Da aber der Imperatoren Stuhl, auf Lebenslange Aufgabe ist, kann nach dem Tod, nur der Senat, denn Neuen
Imperator wählen. Die anderen Posten
wie Senator oder Konsul wird vom
Volke gewählt werden. Oder der Imperator darf diese Senatoren oder
Konsul selbst nach Familiären Abstammung , auf diese Posten setzen.
Mit einwilligung durch denn Senat. Der
Senat hat hier eigentlich die Oberhand,
dieser Organisation. Andere ämter werden nach dies nach dann bekannt
gegeben. Ich werde mitglied des Nova
Roma bleiben. Aber sie alle dürfen Gratis auch Doppel Mitglieder sein.
Es soll ja Spass machen, das ganze
zu aufbauen und Strukturen zu geben.
Wer will kann beim aufbauen helfen, und Ideen geben, oder Vorschläge.

Mit vielen Freundlichem Gruss
Quintus Fabius Rullianus
Lebe Nova Roma.


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Thank you
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:21:34 -0000

Salve Tiberius Annaeus Otho,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., tiberius.ann@b... wrote:

>
> I, Tiberius Annaeus Otho, also give you the permission to reprint
the story,
> which was written in Germania Superior.
>

Thank you for your permission. As your work was a group work I still
need the permission of Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili,
Caius Annaeus Lucanus Otho and Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus as well
before I can legally reprint your group work. I also still need to
secure the permission of Manius Constantinus Serapio for "ROMAN" as
well.

Again thank you for your permission.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Congrats / Nobody "sits at my feet"
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:36:02 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Congratulations Master Calvus upon your victory. Your skill with a
pen
> is as impressive as your skill as a legionary.

Thank you, always a pleasure to help serve Nova Roma. I fear though
that my ability with a quill is better than my ability with a sword.
My knowledge of swordsmanship is fairly limited to don't hold it by
the pointy end. <grin>

> While I do not care to argue, I most respectfully point out that
nobody
> "sits at my feet." We make talk, discuss and argue points of
individual
> interest or expertise, but you are just as I am -- and we are equal
in
> that. Perhaps in the future we can arrange a demo in which after
the
> archer sends his shafts, the legionary attacks with the Gladius and
the
> archer seeks refuge behind the lines of armor.

I did some archery in high school, though not on a competative
level. Though not a marksman by any stretch of the imagination, I'm
at least semi-confident that I could hit at least one out of a couple
thousand naked barbarians rushing the lines. I'm more of a listener
than a talker in a conversation. I tend to be a slightly shy person
in face to face situations when meeting people for the first time.
Some misinterpet this as being stand-offish but once I'm comfortable
you'll be saying, "Calvus, please shut up!" <Grin>

> I just study the military, I don't think I have the courage to face
an
> angry legionary with a sharp gladius. That seems too close to
> "dumbness" to me (Grin!!!!).


I was thinking more along the lines of suicidal myself.

Vale

Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: LRCA - the winner
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:40:17 -0000

Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Manius Constantinus Serapio" <mcserapio@y...>
wrote:
> AVE QVINTE CASSI CALVE
>
> My best congratulations on your work! It deserves this award!

Thank you. Your work was excellent as well and equally deserving
recognition. May I have permission to reprint "Roman" on my website?

Vale,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Archers
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:22:56 EDT

In a message dated 9/10/02 1:50:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com writes:


> . What has always struck me as odd is that even during the early
> Republic, the Romans used slingers instead of archers as their primary
> auxiliary missile troops right up through the Gallic Wars. A Balearic
> slinger used three different slings of various lengths with lead bullets
> but
> their range was still inferior to a simple self bow.

Actually it is not so strange when you consider the Class V Rorarii, were the
poorist class, mostly being dirt farmers with experience in maintaining a
small farm. Such people depend on the sling to kill game, and use it to
protect their live stock from predators. Skill with the weapon would be
mandatory.
They apparently used pebbles, we have not recovered any lead shot yet.
Pebbles go between 75-100 yards with any accuracy, while lead could reach
200.
Remember, though that this was the period of the centuries and the phalanx.
75 yards against the reach of an 8' thrusting spear is efficient enough.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] The new Strategikon is out.
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:55:55 EDT

The August issue was published last week.
Contents:
Hannibal's Route over the Alps. Another view.
The Changes to the Carthaginian Army leading up to the Second Punic War
Scenario: In the Po Valley with Hannibal (Carthaginians vrs Gauls.)
Rules Review: Melees Gloriosus
Figure Reviews: New 28 mm Carthaginians from Gripping Beast
The 25 mm Italian Socii from Mirliton.

See http://www.strategikonmag.com for ordering information.

Q. Fabius Maximus



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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Oath of Office for Scriba Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:56:21 -0000

Savete Omnes,

I am honored to have received my first position in Nova Roma today
from Manivs Constantinvs Serapio. I look forward to continually
working with him, Nova Roma and its citizens to the best of my
abilities.

I, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) do hereby solemnly swear
to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Lanius Paulinus swear to
honor
the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Quintus Lanius Paulinus swear to uphold and defend the Religio
Romana
as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way
that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Quintus Lanius Paulinus swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of
Nova Roma.

I, Quintus Lanius Paulinus further swear to fulfill the obligations
and
responsibilities of the office of Scriba Praefecti Africae
Septentrionalis
to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the positions of Scriba Praefecti Africae and all the
rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
thereto.
Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Pax Romana

Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Oath of Office for Scriba Praefecti Africae Septentrionalis
From:	lanius117@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:50:03 EDT

Salve, Quinte

My most heartiest congratulations on your appointment! I know you will
render great service to Nova Roma and contribute vastly to the already
immense amount of information coming from this area of our republic. May the
deities of Rome smile with favor upon all your endeavors. I am most
gratified that you are a member of Gens Lania.

Vale bene,

Gaius Lanius Falco


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